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This Is Why We Can't Have Nice Things, JEB!


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Essays, Not Rants! 189: This is Why We Can’t Have Nice Things, JEB!

 

I don’t really talk about politics on this blog…ever. Well, aside from, y’know, the historical or entries on diversity or women in fiction. But every now and then something shows up that’s nonpartisan enough but still related enough to what I usually write about for a good discussion.

 

An interview with Jeb Bush (Or JEB) has been making the rounds lately, wherein he’s asked who his favorite superhero is. This alone is worth noting because we’re at the point in where a presidential candidate can be asked about superheroes. Yes, this is a part of nerd culture becoming mainstream, but it’s also a reflection of superheroes forming a new mythology. They can be discussed as a cultural touchstone no matter who you are. Point is to say that the fact that he was even asked this question is remarkable in and of itself. Superheroes have become a new pantheron, to some extent; though decidedly fictional, they are a sort of example of humanity in all its forms (which, y’know, is all the more the reason to have a more diverse lineup, but I digress). There’s probably a whole other paper in that idea, but not here.

 

Anyway, after mentioning that watching Marvel movies makes him wish that he owned the company — which I’m not even gonna touch here — he decides that Batman may be his favorite, albeit a dark choice. But he’s aware of Supergirl being a thing, courtesy of the new advertising blitz, and thinks she’s hot.

 

Okay. He could have answered the question one of a dozen very neutral, safe ways; but he chooses to bring Supergirl up… because she’s hot? Dude, no. It’s fun that this is the sort of question we can ask a presidential candidate, but at the same time, but why does one of the more serious presidential candidates think it’s okay to talk about her looks as a defining factor? Even if a question like this takes center stage, a female hero still gets the short end of the stick. Yes, she got mentioned — that’s great! But she gets mentioned only to be reduced down to a pretty face. He could have mentioned that she could fly — that’s in the marketing too! — but nope, she’s hot and that’s key.

 

“But Josh,” you say, “you’re making way too big a deal out of this, it’s just one guy’s opinion!” Well, straw man, remember what I said earlier about superheroes being a new mythology? It goes with it then, that the perception of them is a reflection of culture as a whole. And Jeb’s comments reflect a culture that still judges a woman by her appearance rather than her abilities.

 

Which is really frustrating, because there’s a steady cultural shift away from female superheroes defining characteristic being their looks and related attributes. Carol Danvers got a new outfit and is firmly regarded as Earth’s Mightiest Avenger. I can’t speak for the show (having not seen it), but it looks like Supergirl is doing something similar, for starters by giving her a costume that’s more practical than titillating. Going beyond the world of comics, Fury Road mad us like Furiosa because she was baddonkey and capable, not because she was ‘hot.’ Furiosa, more so than Carol Danvers or Supergirl, has been recognized for this in a big way.

 

In the movie/TV world characters are idealized, and this means prettified, but while handsome male characters can still be interesting, the pretty women are often there just to be pretty. While kick butt grungy women are awesome, to really even out the gender imbalance we need to allow for attractive women to be interesting and valued for qualities beyond their looks. Because it’s not fair when a male character needs no justification, but a female one does — and it’s her looks.

 

In any case, we, as a culture, from presidential candidates on down, have gotta stop defining women — in fiction or not — by how attractive the are. In the meantime, we should at least talk a lot more about how hot the new Batman is. But especially the new Aquaman.

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To be fair, most of what anybody knows about Supergirl is what she looks like. Until Marvel brought more minor superheroes into the mainstream, all most people knew were Spider-Man, the X-Men, and the DC Trinity. Now there's Iron Man, Thor, Green Arrow, the Flash--for cryin' out loud, Ant-Man got a movie, and he's getting a sequel! Supergirl do the same for her, but I can't blame him for not knowing anything besides her appearance since the show just started.

But in that case, he should have just kept his mouth shut. If all you know about anything is what it looks like, you don't know enough to discuss it.​

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But in that case, he should have just kept his mouth shut. If all you know about anything is what it looks like, you don't know enough to discuss it.​

This doesn't apply to Lego sets. 

 

I did watch the first episode of that show. It has potential, but the pilot itself was a bit wooden in the acting department. Otherwise, it's a good show - I would watch it again. 

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It's all about the double standard. He could have said anything, she looks cool, looks interesting; but he went with 'hot.' Which is the sorta thing you never see for male characters (no one goes "Hey, that new Aquaman looks really hot"). It's frustrating to see this play out on such an important stage.

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Ah, I see.

To be truthful, though, I have seen many social media comments admiring Aquaman's physique. And Green Arrow deserves note also, since (like Aquaman) many of Arrow's promo images featured him shirtless, and many a fangirl has commented on them. Maybe someone should ask Hillary Clinton and Carly Fiorina what they think of those two.

Personally, I'm just really happy that they gave Supergirl a costume that doesn't emphasize her physical traits. I'm no ardent feminist, but I do despise the constant objectifying of women in media. I'm glad that the movies treat Black Widow the way they do (particularly Captain America: The Winter Soldier), in contrast to Marvel comics which so often treat her and other female superheroes as eye candy. They haven't even commented on it except for her debut in Iron Man 2. Hopefully Supergirl will be the same way.​

 

At the same time, I hope they don't go too far in the other direction and make the show all about how the protagonist is a "strong female character," as Agent Carter does with Peggy Carter. I don't care about "strong female characters," I care about clever, interesting characters, female or otherwise. If Supergirl strikes an MCU Black Widow style balance, it'll be great. Same goes for Captain Marvel.

 

 

EDIT: Sure, fishers. Though what I had in mind was more of when so many dismissed Hero Factory out of hand from the first promo image. (Granted, I would say they proved to be right, but back then, it was presumptuous.)

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But talking about that manly handsomeness is the exception, not the rule. That's the problem with seeing it on such a big stage.

 

Also, Marvel's comics have been moving away from sexualization in a big way lately. The latest run of Black Widow, for example.

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I would agree with you on that. Of course, given that the typical (as you put it) baddonkey characteristics correspond with Western culture's ideal physical male, I don't think that people really notice when somebody compliments a guy's appearance. It's always disguised as "wow, Aquaman looks [baddonkey]!" They're saying he's a hunk, but it's not obvious.

 

On the other hand, muscular females are the ideal to only a minority. Therefore, Western comics have associated strong women with--oh, how to say it?--ample femininity. After all, the main complaints about Gal Gadot as Wonder Woman are that "she doesn't look Amazonian." They don't actually mean that (Just look up what Amazonians were like in mythology). They mean that she isn't . . . sizeable enough.

 

So there are parallels, but it's far more obvious with women because feminine physical standards don't align with what superheroines would logically look like. (i.e. more Rhonda Rousey than supermodel)

 

Unfortunately, I don't keep up with current Marvel comics. Too many indigestible events. At least my library gets DC graphic novels, so I can keep up with them. Still, I doubt the problem will ever be completely gone from modern comics, no matter what Marvel or DC do.

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