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#AsianCowboy


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Essays, Not Rants! 234: #AsianCowboy

 

I was vaguely aware of the casting for the new Magnificent Seven when it was first announced, but more so for the fact that it reminded me that I really needed to watch The Seven Samurai (which I still haven’t…)

 

Anyway, since then trailers for the new Magnificent Seven have been released and there’s been a little bit of buzz around it and reviews have been coming out. What’s most caught my attention — and what makes me really wanna see it — is actor Byung-hun Lee as one of the seven. Now, this is a Western. Set in the mythical Wild West. Y’know, Americana incarnate. But there’s an Asian cowboy.

 

Now, of course, this excites me. Like basically everyone I grew up aware of the mythos of the Wild West, with cowboys and train robberies and all that stuff. So it’s exciting to see someone who looks kinda like me (he’s Korean, I’m half-Chinese, I’ll take it) being apart of it is really cool.

And I’m a sucker for multinational teams so seeing the seven cowboys include Denzel Washington, a Mexican, and a Native American is really cool. That and it makes total sense.

 

Let’s set aside for a moment the fact that in ‘reality’ cowboys and cattle hands weren’t as white as we’d expect. It’s easy to take the Western as being historical (it’s like a period piece, but with guns and horses!), and historical pieces tend to be very white because not being white in places when/where most historical dramas take place isn’t always a good thing.

 

But this is fiction.

 

I think it’s easy to enter into the idea of something being ‘unrealistic’ and it ruining the story. If we’re willing to believe that Tom Cruise is the last samurai, why can’t we believe there was a ragtag multinational team of cowboys? The same rule of “why not?” that applies to science fiction or contemporary stories can also apply to stories that take place before. Sure it was surprising in Season One of Agent Carter to see a black man the owner of a club in 1940s America, but we bought it and the story didn’t suffer for it. Having Zoe Saldana as Anamaria in the first Pirates of The Caribbean worked. Sure, she didn’t get to do too much but she still was a fun character who should’ve shown up in the sequels. These are worlds of cowboys, spies, and pirates; why not throw in some diversity?

 

Granted, it gets trickier with more serious, more properly historical stories. It’s hard to tell a factual story about the American Revolution with a diverse cast. But, then again, that’s what Hamilton did, so, y’know, there’s that.

 

Really, it all comes down to telling different stories, and telling more. By including people usually underrepresented in these narratives, The Magnificent Seven is offering a space at the table to more people. Like how The Force Awakens and Rogue One change the criteria for who gets to be a hero in Star Wars, so does this, in however a small way, for westerns.

 

So, yeah, at the end of the day I’m gonna go see The Magnificent Seven. Because there’s an Asian cowboy.

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:kaukau: The examples that you listed that we were all fine with, I actually wasn't fine with.  Except for Hamilton.  As a play, it works.  I'm not a huge fan of The Last Samurai, though, except I'm not too critical of it on account of it being the favorite film of a friend's.  As for the cowboy stuff, Asian cowboys break suspension of disbelief for me, although I completely buy Latino and Negro cowboys, since I've known that those have existed for quite some time.

 

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...but more so for the fact that it reminded me that I really needed to watch The Seven Samurai (which I still haven’t…)

 

That makes two of us, and I am really embarrassed about that. I saw about a third of it when it was up on Hulu, but had to stop for some reason or another. Next time I went back to it, it was Hulu Plus only. So I never got to finish it.

 

Diversity is good an' all, but honestly, as much as I love the western genre, the trailers for this look pretty bad. So while I can appreciate the diversity of the cast, it's still not getting my money.

 

... Not like it would get my money anyway since I won't be near a theater when it comes out, but irrelevent.

 

 

As for the cowboy stuff, Asian cowboys break suspension of disbelief for me

 

Of all the things seen in the trailer, I feel like an Asian cowboy is the most believable thing there. I don't know where this movie takes place, but there were tons of Asian immigrants in California, and in the fantasy world that is this movie I don't see any reason one of them couldn't be a cowboy. :shrugs:

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Of all the things seen in the trailer, I feel like an Asian cowboy is the most believable thing there. I don't know where this movie takes place, but there were tons of Asian immigrants in California, and in the fantasy world that is this movie I don't see any reason one of them couldn't be a cowboy. :shrugs:

 

 

:kaukau: I haven't bothered watching the trailer, since I haven't really had any interest in watching a remake of The Magnificent Seven.  The original was good enough that it doesn't need a remake.  I'm not surprised that the movie sounds unrealistic.  Nothing against Chris Pratt (I like him), but his casting gave me a pretty good idea of what feel the movie was going to have.  I got the impression that the film was going to be a witty, slightly tongue-in-cheek popcorn flick, which didn't interest me.

 

As for the setting, the original was set in Mexico.  I don't know about this new film, though.  You described it as a fantasy world.  In what way did you mean that?

 

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"Fantasy world" was the wrong term, and I realized that even as I posted but didn't go back and correct myself. I think I read that it takes place in Colorado, but don't quote me on that.

 

There's nothing fantasy about it. Just a good old fictional western. But the nature of the film itself, 7 men against an army, and all the great tropes that come with western films (fast gun draws, typical action shootout shenanigans) is still pretty unbelievable. Can seven men really outdodge a gattling gun?

 

...Although the most unbelievable thing in the trailer to me was Chris Pratt. He does not look like he will be remotely convincing in this movie.

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:kaukau: Sounds lighthearted.  I dunno, I'm just not interested.  Not that lighthearted is bad or anything, but I'm used to remakes being slightly more serious than the original.  That isn't inherently how all remakes should be, but it is a preference of mine.  Combine that with the fact that I didn't like the idea of a remake of The Magnificent Seven in the first place, and I just couldn't get myself into it.

 

Sorry to hear about Chris Pratt being unconvincing, although that was the impression I got when I saw stills of him, too.  Again, nothing against him, but he's basically the face that people cast nowadays when they want to make an unlikely hit come through.  The Lego Movie was a fresh and entertaining movie with a lot of energy that surprised people; Guardians of the Galaxy was a fresh and entertaining movie with a lot of energy that surprised people; Jurassic World was a fresh and entertaining movie with a lot of energy that surprised people.  This movie looks to be doing something similar, and not so coincidentally they're casting Christ Pratt.  I'm getting to the point where I don't see Christ Pratt as his character, but as the actor.  A very comedic actor, but nonetheless, not his character.

 

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The trailers didn't strike me as lighthearted, but rather a more action heavy version of the original. Sure there's Chris Pratt mouthing off jokes the way Chris Pratt does, but doesn't the original have its share of levity as well? I've seen it before, but it's been a very long time and I don't really remember.

 

I am not entirely opposed to remakes. The Coen Brothers' True Grit is far superior to the 1969 version. Ben-Hur (1959) is a remake often listed among the greatest films of all time. Magnificent Seven, the original, is a remake. A very indirect remake, but a remake nonetheless. So that's not a complete turn off for me. I am inclined to judge it on its own merits. Maybe one day I will watch it. I'm sure I will since I love westerns, but it won't be any time soon.

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Man, I read every word of this entry a while ago, and I still haven't called you a dork for it.

 

But anyway, yaaaassss (this was actually a long yay, but autocorrect made it a yass) diversity!

 

Though I never really got into westerns. I might see it though.

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Kraggh, buddy, pal, I don't think the word you used has been considered okay in the United States as a term for black people in, oh... longer than either of us has been alive, I'd say.

 

*ahem*

 

Anyway, yes, very excited to finally see a Western-ish movie coming out with a main cast that borders on historical accuracy. Now, if we can just get a Viking flick with black, Saami, Native American, and Mongolian Vikings, the history nerd in me can finally enjoy movies again...

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...Now, if we can just get a Viking flick with black, Saami, Native American, and Mongolian Vikings, the history nerd in me can finally enjoy movies again...

You have no idea how futzing bad I want that.

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