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Respect Vs. Appreciation.

Posted by Kragghle , in Wisdom Sep 16 2008 · 59 views

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:kaukau: At first, I didn't think that there was anything wrong with what EmperorWhenua had said. It didn't occur to me until recently that there was a slight miswording in his logic.

My respect is pretty free. Losing it is the hard thing.

Everyone is like family, though; some relatives you hate, some you love, but they are all family anyway.



The error was made in the second sentence. Respect should not be lost, no matter what. What mistake was made here is merely the misuse of the word "respect". Instead, the word "appreciation" should have been used. Thus, the result should have been this.

My respect goes to everyone, and it cannot be lost, although my appreciation can.



Remember, it is possible to respect someone while not personally appreciating them. Likewise, it is possible to appreciate someone without really respecting them.

Thank you.

Your Honor,
Emperor Kraggh


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Spoony Bard
Sep 16 2008 07:53 PM
You lost my respect.

-Omi
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EmpressYumiwa
Sep 16 2008 08:10 PM
Ah, but I can lose repect towards others.

~EW~
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romansoldierdude
Sep 16 2008 08:21 PM
You lost my respect for being a Mistika-hater, but regained it partially for that recent entry after the September 11th one. Which I commented in.
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kaukau.gifI suppose that the problem resides in the fact that respect was clearly defined. I see it as a formality, how you treat someone. I suppose I would have to create another blog entry completely defining how I used the word and how it contrasts with appreciation, sort of like I did with "Logic and Wisdom," but I really didn't feel like it. Perhaps I can post another, fuller entry some other time.

Oh, and Omi posted in my blog. Cool!

Anyways, to respond to what romansoldierdude said, I don't really respect people according to their character, and I know that we got quite a reputation for constantly being at odds on the Mistika, but I still respected you. I see respect as unconditional, not based on the character of whom is respected, but rather on the recognition that someone is always equal to oneself.

Respect is honorable.

Your Honor,
Emperor Kraggh
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That's true. Although, like EW said above me, you can loose respect, and I lost respect for a few people on BZP - a few who I used to respect. I would say them here, but that'd probably be considered rude and against the rules, so I won't.

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kaukau.gifHere's the way I perceive respect. If someone's character has passed your liking, you may loose appreciation for them, but so long as you don't think rudely of them, you still respect them.

Your Honor,
Emperor Kraggh
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romansoldierdude
Sep 17 2008 03:13 PM
QUOTE(.:Toa Velox:. @ Sep 16 2008, 11:24 PM)
That's true. Although, like EW said above me, you can loose respect, and I lost respect for a few people on BZP - a few who I used to respect. I would say them here, but that'd probably be considered rude and against the rules, so I won't.


I find it hard to respect people who say "loose" instead of the awfully more correct "lose".

Just kidding.

I don't know, man. I was sort of joking about the Mistika hating thing, but there are some people I would never respect and who are total [won't say]s to me. Like Zhalath X, for example, whom I know in real life. He ate a corner off of my drawing, he stabbed me with a pencil multiple times, and is constantly doing stupid things like pushing me and saying it's my fault, or elbowing me and saying it's my fault, etc. Character's a big part of it. I just can't respect someone who does that sort of thing to people (aka, me) and doesn't take responsibility, because he denies that he ever did anything and keeps doing it. I can't forgive, or respect, that kind of behavior.
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Spoony Bard
Sep 17 2008 03:45 PM
Mutual respect is always needed. You may not like the person for who they are or what they do, but no reason to disrespect them. Just makes you more like them, so in terms you would be disrespecting yourself.

Like for example. I hate my brother a lot, but I still respect him.

-Omi
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kaukau.gifNicely said, Omi. As I have often urged people to love their enemy as their neighbor, so must they also respect them. Yes, respect can be lost, but it shouldn't. If you were to lose respect for someone, what better are you than them? You're letting your emotions control your thoughts and your judgments, negative emotions, when you should be controlled by your own goodwill.

Really, I think I can make a parable out of this. You see, the samurai were bound by codes of honor and respect. There once was a day in feudal Japan where there were two groups of samurai warriors fighting each other. They controlled different plots of land, and one was eventually cut off to the vital sea and the salt it provided. The second clan of samurai had the their advantage, and merely needed wait until their enemies were fully choked of their resources. Yet, one day the leader of the second group of samurai was seen coming through the forest in the lands of his rival, carrying a bag of salt for his mortal enemy. When asked why he helped him, he replied, "War is to be solved by the sword, not by a blockade."

In other words, this samurai wished to stick to the code. He didn't like his rival, but he respected what was fair, and gave him a chance for things to be settled in what they considered to be the proper way. He respected his enemy.

Your Honor,
Emperor Kraggh
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romansoldierdude
Sep 17 2008 06:05 PM
Graah, once again, it's "lose"!!!

I agree with the samurai thing, with the mutual respect and all, but one someone doesn't respect you, I don't think you should have to respect them (or continue to, for that matter).
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kaukau.gifAh, a classic case of "if you slap my cheek, I'll slap yours." That's the sense of justice in us all. Yet, we are being unforgiving, and it is disrespectful to execute revenge. We are disregarding the fact that a certain other person is a fellow human, and thus not below thee but an equal. Justice is unprejudiced, and disrespect is.

Also, this brings up the biggest philosophy I have: love. People tend to have a similar outlook on this. Nobody deserves love. Nobody. We are all sinners. Love is graceful, however, and loves people anyways, despite their many sins. We are given something we don't deserve when we are loved. Also, since we are all equal, why shouldn't we love our enemy as our neighbor? What credit is it unto us if we only love those who do good to us? Even sinners do that. Similarly, we should give all people respect. Appreciation? Not necessary, but definitely respect. It is the choice that a man of integrity would make.

Your Honor,
Emperor Kraggh
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romansoldierdude
Sep 17 2008 08:58 PM
I guess Respect is a different word in my mind. Because what you're saying, to me, is just equality. I agree that everyone deserves the same conditions and they all deserve a good chance, and sometimes, a second chance, but respect is something different. For example, let's just say a man is killed by another man. And let's say that the dead man should get a chance to look upon his killer and talk to him. I really don't think the dead man should respect his killer. If someone has the mind to kill, I don't think they have a mind that deserves to be respected (unless they don't have a right mind). I believe you have to earn your respect.
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Spoony Bard
Sep 17 2008 09:12 PM
QUOTE(romansoldierdude @ Sep 17 2008, 09:58 PM)
For example, let's just say a man is killed by another man. And let's say that the dead man should get a chance to look upon his killer and talk to him. I really don't think the dead man should respect his killer.

Why does the man want to kill the other man???

-Omi
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kaukau.gifHave you ever seen "The Green Mile?" There was the disrespectful Percy and the good old guy played by Tom Hanks. Hanks was a respectful jail guard. Respect was what he did. Although he didn't appreciate Percy, he had to respect his boundaries. He also respected the murderers he had to guard, whereas Percy absolutely did not. Who came off as the better man? The man played by Hanks.

Also, I would respect the murderer. At least, I would if I was in my right mind. Personally, I would feel sorry for them that they have come to such a twisted conclusion with what they have decided to do. That does not mean to say, however, that I would respect what he was doing. As the saying goes, "love the person, but hate their sin." The same goes with respect. If someone was doing something utterly twisted, you should show respect for them, but have none for their sinful decisions.

Your Honor,
Emperor Kraggh
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romansoldierdude
Sep 19 2008 05:38 AM
Because he has a little knife that goes shing whenever he stabs with it, Omi. tongue.gif

Once again, it's like a different meaning to me. Respecting boundaries, sure. But actually respecting someone for who they are (like, by their mindset) is totally different.
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Spoony Bard
Sep 19 2008 03:52 PM
QUOTE(romansoldierdude @ Sep 19 2008, 06:38 AM)
Because he has a little knife that goes shing whenever he stabs with it, Omi. tongue.gif

Coulda been an accidental stabbing.

-Omi
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romansoldierdude
Sep 20 2008 06:54 AM
Yeah, he was probably having too much fun going *shing* all the time. *cough*.

You may choose who you "accidentally stab", Omi. tongue.gif
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EmpressYumiwa
Sep 20 2008 04:34 PM
He'll chose me. :hide:

~EW~
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I lost The Game. D:
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