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Ninjago Compared To Bionicle And Hero Factory


bonesiii

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I've been wanting to say this for a while now, but had no particular place to put it, so here it is. :)

 

There's been a lot of discussion lately about two major things:

 

1) Reasons Bionicle got unweildy near the end.

 

2) Criticisms and opinions of Ninjago.

 

In my opinion, some of the criticisms of Bionicle's later years are right on, and I think Ninjago has so far been a highly refreshing reform of those problems. Hero Factory started out to replace Bionicle, but I think Ninjago has passed it by far.

 

True, there is one key difference between Ninjago and Hero Factory, which is that Ninjago is half comedy.

 

But I actually think that has helped, in its own way, get past those problems I was talking about -- which is that I think sometimes Bionicle (and its fans) took the characters too seriously and felt the need to always know what was going on with a character once he or she was introduced.

 

That caused the later years of Bionicle to get watered down with all these side updates. That can be kinda fun to a point, but the great thing about some of Bionicle's early years was the ability to tell a story totally contained on one island or to one small group of characters. That allowed it to go deeper into just those characters.

 

Hero Factory by contrast has been called "episodic" by many people, by which they seem to mean that there is no overarching story consistency. But Ninjago does have that, at least so far; the main enemy is Garmadon and now his son. There's at least that common thread to tie the plot all together, similar to how Bionicle always had Makuta to tie it together from 2001 to 2010.

 

I also like how Ninjago mixes some epic themes with comedy, and even in the action sequences, the logic of what is really possible is not taken too seriously. Go to the Ninjago site and view the clip of Sensei Wu fighting shadows, for example. It manages to be funny and impressive, and doesn't worry about all the rules that Bionicle often carried along (which got really hard to remember).

 

Now, I'm not saying there's anything wrong with theorizing about how something can be possible. I could explain the shadow bit easily with a bit of magical Spinjitsu-ish power, for example. It's a pet peeve of mine when some people try to take away others' fun of thinking about physics. But by the same token, people shouldn't misunderstand that I want a story to take rules too seriously.

 

The one thing about Ninjago I don't personally enjoy much is the melodramatic kiddy voices, but it's no different than some of the Bionicle movie characters and we all know that little kids DO enjoy that, so there's nothing wrong with it. Most of what I've said above, though, was done well with Kung Fu Panda, without the kiddy voices, so Ninjago could probably have went that route. But it didn't, and I'm okay with that.

 

Also, Ninjago in Lego Universe is awesome and I'm gonna miss it a lot. :)

 

Another point I wanna make is that a lot of Ninjago's critics seem to be missing the point that it's supposed to be a fictional "science fantasy" genre universe, fusing technology, simple oriental designs, and magic all in one. I personally love science fantasy and I think the balance works wonderfully.

 

Most of the criticisms seem to hinge around the idea of looking to the real world and taking things that are not together on Earth, and making that some sort of rule to try to squeeze Ninjago into. I disagree strongly, and it's very refreshing that LEGO has cast aside that kind of boring, over-serious attitude. LEGO's just having fun with it, and the fun is infectious!

 

Keep it up, LEGO! ^_^

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Like the last paragraph wasn't aimed at me.

Listen, I am fastinated in Japanese culture, anything Japanese is what I love. When LEGO brought in Ninjago I was excited because it was everything I love mixed with LEGO.

So I am angry at LEGO for ruining the feel (mostly) and turning the ninja into...Power Rangers, almost. So that is why I dislike the modern mix.

As for your 'it isn't Earth, so don't complain' arguement: I know it isn't the real Earth, but like I said, I love and deeply respect Oriental things

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I thought the first season was a little meh on the story. It mainly focused on Kai being a hothead and all, and everybody else was just there to compliment him. Having seen the second season, I realized that it got a lot better. (Plus, the villains were more interesting.)

 

And I'll agree that it's lost most of its oriental feel, and yes it is more Power Rangery. But hey, I still like it. Nice write up, bones!

 

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Like the last paragraph wasn't aimed at me.Listen, I am fastinated in Japanese culture, anything Japanese is what I love. When LEGO brought in Ninjago I was excited because it was everything I love mixed with LEGO.So I am angry at LEGO for ruining the feel (mostly) and turning the ninja into...Power Rangers, almost. So that is why I dislike the modern mix. As for your 'it isn't Earth, so don't complain' arguement: I know it isn't the real Earth, but like I said, I love and deeply respect Oriental things

 

I'd reckon that comment wasn't directed at you in particular. I've seen a lot of people criticize Ninjago for exactly the same reasons as you.

 

But if you look at early concept videos, you'll see that at its core Ninjago was never what you seemed to think it was. It revelled in anachronism from the beginning.

 

And I personally think that the modern and "Oriental" cultural elements shouldn't have to clash. Japan, once an extremely traditional society, is now on the cutting edge of technology. I wouldn't mind seeing the ninja venture into the cities seen in the show and on the map for longer periods of time, especially if they incorporate elements of real Japanese cities like Tokyo.

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I thought the first season was a little meh on the story. It mainly focused on Kai being a hothead and all, and everybody else was just there to compliment him. Having seen the second season, I realized that it got a lot better. (Plus, the villains were more interesting.)And I'll agree that it's lost most of its oriental feel, and yes it is more Power Rangery. But hey, I still like it. Nice write up, bones!:music:

Well, the TV special for 2011 almost entirely focused on Kai, but there's plenty of other story material for Ninjago 2011 that focuses more on other characters. I have a review of three Ninjago books by Greg Farshtey here. I've since acquired two more, Jay: Ninja of Lightning and Cole: Ninja of Earth (both of which came out this year, but cover only 2011 story). Don't post in that topic, by the way; it's dead.

 

Of the four books, I most recommend Zane: Ninja of Ice. It's the one I read first and it's definitely good, though one of the stories in it comes after a story in Kai: Ninja of Fire. The official guide also goes into a lot of detail about all the characters even though it has a few conspicuous errors (most notably, switching most of the information for Nuckal and Kruncha). The Jay and Cole books are also good, though not nearly as entertaining to me as the Zane book-- but that may just be because Zane is my favorite character.

 

Great assessment, Bonesiii. I also find Ninjago highly enjoyable, in terms of the toys, the story, and the media, and so far 2012 hasn't disappointed me with regard to any of these things. I look forward to next week when Episode 3 of the series airs for the first time in the United States!

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And I personally think that the modern and "Oriental" cultural elements shouldn't have to clash. Japan, once an extremely traditional society, is now on the cutting edge of technology.

Yeah, that was part of what I was talking about in a post -- "Oriental" doesn't have to mean just old.

 

Also, about the Power Rangers thing -- Power Rangers to me is horribly bad acting humans in hoaky costumes going around screeching wildly every few seconds. Of course, I've only seen ads and clips. :P I don't see anything like that in Ninjago, and the addition of vehicles is hardly evidence of it. Some clips I've seen could have been okay if the character had been CG instead of obviously a human in an incredibly cheap costume, and Ninjago obviously doesn't have that. (The clips still had bad acting though and Ninjago doesn't, other than the kiddy voices occasionally.)

 

Maybe I'm wrong, though; I'm not claiming this is a universal perspective.

 

Also, yeah, this is directed at a lot of people. I'm not disputing your guys's tastes -- they are what they are, but some of the reasons that have been given to justify criticisms have been illogical and not just taste-based, like the idea that vehicles are modern (vehicles can be ancient, etc.) or that tech is not oriental.

 

Even in ancient times, Japan has been highly inventive, as have other oriental cultures (for example, China built the Great Wall while the rest of the world just dabbled in little castles, and had rockets and the like), and Ninjago is said to be a world created by the father of Wu and Garmadon, by the power of the weapons. Apparently something like a pocket universe or something. It makes sense to me that perhaps in ancient (LEGO version of) Japan, a real (minifigureized) human could have created both the realm and inventions within the realm (such as the ancient vehicles I theorized the skeletons based their designs on). It's possible these inventions were never in Japan, only in Ninjago, and yet just as inherent to Ninjago.

 

So again, I dispute the label of those things as "modern" or non-oriental. I think that idea comes more from a misunderstanding of oriental culture than from trying to stick to that culture.

 

All that said, I get that there was a change, and from your personal tastes, you don't like the change. That's perfectly valid, and I respect it. I just don't agree that some of the reasons added onto it work, or that it works as an argument that LEGO made a bad decision for the majority. :) (It's very similar to such nuances that have been historically necessary in Bionicle criticism too; so it's not surprising to me.)

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NinjaGo has really grown on me. That's not to say I've actually invested any money in it (I officially stopped buying lego two years ago), but I have to say that it's turned out quite well. It's nice to see they're actually putting a significant amount of thought into its storyline, and I would be quite sorry to see it go if it doesn't make it past this year. TLC has in recent years become far too hasty with their theme cancelations.

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