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Taia = Matoran Universe

Posted by bonesiii , Feb 10 2014 · 595 views

So, I have gotten to the part of my retelling where Makuta takes over, and I "discovered" (having apparently never consciously noticed) that officially, he nicknames the MU the "Makutaverse" at that time. I like the idea of him naming it after himself, but Makutaverse sounds hopelessly silly. For one thing, it's a fusion of both English and Matoran.
 
I got to thinking, though -- what if I come up with a Matoran word for "universe", and mix THAT with Makuta?
 
Looking into the Maori, I found a word for realm that is similar to (my shortened version here) Taia. Makutaia sounds cool, and even evokes his old lair, the Mangaia.
 
Also, Taia is WAY more concise than "Matoran Universe" and also avoids the acronym which looks like a cow is yelling. :P
 
Taia.
 
Or, longer version, Matoran Taia.
 
Likey no likey?

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Attempting to cleanse the BIONICLE canon of things that are "hopelessly silly" is, in itself, hopelessly silly.

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Does that mean you don't like it? Or what? Anyway, that isn't the intent. :)

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Er, MT is a cool acronym, but it's confusing and ambigious. Matoran Taia? Makuta Taia? Makuta Teridax? Taia might work, or Makutaia, but it's at first glance confusing. I don't think this will get rid of the MU acronym, if that was your intent.

In further case, a number of "Matoran" words are derived from English, so the fact that "Makutaverse" is does not disqualify it from being legitamate Matoran word. (However, I think the term was fan-derived, not part of the official canon, as you seem to imply.)

Edit: Correcting my scatterbrainedness.

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Hey, then when Makuta takes over, you could call it the Makutaia!

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Interesting...but why use straight, unfiltered Maori for this? Matoran isn't Maori. Unless this is meant to be just an abbreviation of convenience (i.e., not a plausible piece of Bionicle lore), in which case, no real opinion, I guess. I'd rather have something Matoran. =P

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Hey, then when Makuta takes over, you could call it the Makutaia!

Right, that's what I had in mind. :)

 

For the record, the vast majority of the time I will probably keep it "Matoran Universe" in the story, but I could go back and edit this in somewhere as an alternative, as having synonyms is usually good for narrative purposes.

 

Interesting...but why use straight, unfiltered Maori for this?

It isn't -- I mentioned in the entry that my version is shortened. The actual Maori word is "Taiao". :) This is meant to be Matoran, simply inspired by Maori.

 

You could even consider it evidenced entirely without appealing to Maori and just look at the similar Maori word as further inspiration. Since evidently the word "Makuta" would mix well with whatever their non-translated word for "universe" is, I looked for things starting with "Ta" or having it somewhere in the word. Multiple islands end in "ia" -- Xia, Daxia, etc. And like I said, there's evidence Makuta would like the "aia" sound since he chose that as the ending for his lair. So when I saw taiao, it was just a perfect match for what I was looking for, IMO. But a bit heavy on the vowels -- so just dropped the o.

 

To be fair, "-verse" could imply the actual word has a prefix he's leaving off, but that could just as likely be seen as a translator's appeal to an existing trope in English, and that in the actual language something similar to this happens; in this case shortening "Makutataia" to cut the second "ta". Anyway, that was my thinking. :)

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Feb 11 2014 10:30 AM

Do.  Not.  Diss.  The cows...

 

Anyway, MT kinda makes it sound like a giant mountain is falling on top of Makuta's head.  So, it's a perfect fit in that respect.  

 

Anyway, I can't help but picture Maku's old name in Makutaia.  This means that she was the true villain of the piece all along, which is about half right.

 

You see, Macku, before she changed her name, used her boat to travel to the ruins of Metru Nui in search of a powerful weapon to use in order to take control of Mata Nui (be that the island or giant robot, it is unclear).  While her efforts were mostly fruitless, she did manage to poison the would-be Inika with vissy venom.  Fortunately they were electrocuted which altered the venom's effects, thus making them toa which could shoot lightning on top of their elemental powers.  

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It isn't -- I mentioned in the entry that my version is shortened. The actual Maori word is "Taiao". :) This is meant to be Matoran, simply inspired by Maori.

Ah, okay, missed that. But even so, for all practical purposes, isn't "inspired by Maori" pretty much the same as "taken from Maori"? And by practical purposes I mean: "Could this work as a canon Matoran word?" Legally? Not if it's derived from Maori. I guess, in the grand scheme of things, I'd still love a term that has some kind of grounding in actual Matoran etymology.

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Ah, okay, missed that. But even so, for all practical purposes, isn't "inspired by Maori" pretty much the same as "taken from Maori"? [...] I guess, in the grand scheme of things, I'd still love a term that has some kind of grounding in actual Matoran etymology.

If you're saying you don't like Bionicle-language words inspired by real-world, that's cool, but it's something I greatly prefer, as it makes them more meaningful than just picking something random. Etymology derived from actual canon Matoran is just as grounded in Maori and other real-world languages, so it's six of one, half dozen of the other.

 

But you could also see it as just adding "ia" to "Makuta", which is a suffix common to English and deriving I think from Latin? One of those. And then subtract Maku. (lol @ Tekulo BTW). The cool thing is this works from many different angles. IMO that's a great reason to go with it; if you don't like thinking of it as coming from Maori, look at it in another way.

 

And by practical purposes I mean: "Could this work as a canon Matoran word?" Legally? Not if it's derived from Maori.

Not sure I'm following you here. No fan-made words work for canon, legally. Whether pure random generation or inspired from real-world languages; the LEGO legal department made that decision years ago. You probably know this, but just checking. :P And many words that remained canon come from Maori. The vast majority of the originals do, and that's a style I've always liked a lot, arguably best, in Bionicle. :)

 

However, if there were legal problems with using "Taiao" for the express reason of being a Maori word, this isn't that word, so it would seem to be a moot point, unless I'm misunderstanding you. (It might have other issues, I dunno, though. Google says it's the name of a river in Romania... but not much else shows up.) But it really doesn't matter as I'm not talking about canon at all but whether people like this for use in my fanfic. :) (This isn't like that Mask of Creation poll for example which included a potential canon part, so belonged in S&T.)

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I have to agree, I definitely prefer to derive custom BIONICLE words and names from real-world languages when possible, rather than following the elaborate linguistic analyses people put forth to create an elaborate system of Matoran grammar, mechanics, and word formation. Drawing inspiration from real life feels a little bit more sincere, to me — it's an acknowledgement that BIONICLE is a fictional universe with hard-working human creators who more often than not drew their inspiration from the real world. As a result, not everything is going to make sense internally, and that's perfectly OK, because the goal is to create a universe for the enjoyment of an outside viewer.

Sometimes the inconsistency of the BIONICLE universe's official terminology bothers me, like how many later Matoran tribes' prefixes were so often derived from obvious English words. But I get over it. After all, even if the theme started out drawing most of its names from Pacific and Polynesian languages, it didn't stay that way, and I think some names are better for it. "Pakastaa", taken from Finnish, and Mamoru, taken from Japanese, are just as compelling as names like Onepu, Taipu, and Kopeke which came straight from Maori. To people who don't know the root languages, the names sound "exotic", while to people who do, they carry an extra layer of meaning and significance that others might not be able to appreciate.

Early on, my brother and I tried to make all our custom BIONICLE names as safe and meaningless from a real-world legal standpoint as possible. To my knowledge, "Aanchir" does not have any meaning in any language, nor does "Lyichir". Over time, as I grew to appreciate the significant meanings of a lot of BIONICLE names, including both older ones like "keahi" and "nuri" that were ripped directly from real-world languages and newer ones like "Carapar" and "Icarax" that were corrupted slightly for a more unique and trademarkable look and sound, I started to try and mimic this meaning in the names I used. I still try to do a Google search before posting a name to ensure that the name doesn't already belong to any other people or their creations, but I don't corrupt names to the point of meaninglessness just to keep them "Googleproof".
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If you're saying you don't like Bionicle-language words inspired by real-world, that's cool, but it's something I greatly prefer, as it makes them more meaningful than just picking something random. Etymology derived from actual canon Matoran is just as grounded in Maori and other real-world languages, so it's six of one, half dozen of the other.

I didn’t say that, no. As you said—most of the original names/terms in Bionicle, in fact the majority of them, were derived from real world languages in some form or another. We all know that. That being said, it’s not six one way, half dozen another when it comes to Maori. Bionicle words were taken from Maori originally, yes, but that stopped pretty early on for very specific reasons (i.e., appropriation of Maori culture/language). We have a specific set of Maori-derived Matoran words that are "in bounds", and therefore I would argue that etymologies derived from those canon Matoran words are legitimate. Etymologies derived from randomly picked Maori words after the fact are not if you want them to line up with the canon. In fact, that last point seems to be the central issue here:

 

Not sure I'm following you here. No fan-made words work for canon, legally. Whether pure random generation or inspired from real-world languages; the LEGO legal department made that decision years ago. You probably know this, but just checking. And many words that remained canon come from Maori. The vast majority of the originals do, and that's a style I've always liked a lot, arguably best, in Bionicle.

I’m well aware of the details and legalities of what counts as canon. Here’s my point: I like to expand on the canon. Most of us do. And if I’m going to expand on the canon, I want it mesh with and be acceptable as canon, regardless of whether or not there’s any real-world possibility of said expansion being accepted as canon (which there isn’t). Simply put, that means no taking words from Maori, since Maori has been off-limits since early '02. And since the issue with Maori was related to cultural appropriation (i.e., not copyrighting), it makes sense that slightly modifying words from Maori is also off-limits. Pretty simple. Just because there’s no chance of a fan-expansion being accepted as canon doesn’t mean those fan-expansions can’t still be held to the same standards as canon would be. That’s my choice, of course. But maybe not yours.

 

I have to agree, I definitely prefer to derive custom BIONICLE words and names from real-world languages when possible, rather than following the elaborate linguistic analyses people put forth to create an elaborate system of Matoran grammar, mechanics, and word formation. Drawing inspiration from real life feels a little bit more sincere, to me — it's an acknowledgement that BIONICLE is a fictional universe with hard-working human creators who more often than not drew their inspiration from the real world. As a result, not everything is going to make sense internally, and that's perfectly OK, because the goal is to create a universe for the enjoyment of an outside viewer.

 

I feel like this may be directed at me, but maybe not. Either way--I certainly hope we agree that your approach ("Drawing inspiration from real life") and the approaches of others ("...elaborate linguistic analyses...") are equally legitimate contributions to the Bionicle fandom. They both express the passion and varying interests of Bionicle fans, and they are both, I think, very sincere.

 

EDIT: And just to make sure the connection to the MU-name is clear: because of the reasons stated above, I'd rather derive a name for the MU internally via already-established Matoran content instead of externally via borrowing/modification from a real-world language.

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We have a specific set of Maori-derived Matoran words that are "in bounds", and therefore I would argue that etymologies derived from those canon Matoran words are legitimate. Etymologies derived from randomly picked Maori words after the fact are not if you want them to line up with the canon.

But again, the original canon did indeed draw inspiration from Maori primarily, so if we want to be consistent, it makes sense to continue to look at the Maori for ideas. Anyways, you may be overthinking what I'm asking here; like I said, if you don't want to consider it Maori-related, keep in mind I was already looking for something possibly starting with "Ta" because of what's already canon, (which incidentally also fits with "Mata"), and "ia" as a suffix is also already canon, as is "aia". Right? What I'm asking is more if people like the sound of it. :)

 

Simply put, that means no taking words from Maori, since Maori has been off-limits since early '02.

Even if we accept that premise, which I don't (Bionicle has continued to use inspiration from real-world languages; Maori is just as valid a source as any other), I'm really not seeing the problem here, since every part of this word is already well evidenced from existing canon, which sounds like what you're arguing for... so...? Wuzzada problem? :P

 

In any case, it has always been agreed on BZPower that while LEGO can choose not to draw inspiration from Maori due to raw emotions and the like in the "Tohunga Incident", that it remains appropriate for fans to continue to use that word or Maori inspiration. But if your tastes are such so as not to agree, that's fine. I'm just saying, it sounds like the standard you're putting forward here is a great fit to this, since every part makes etymological sense from pre-existing canon. :)

 

While it's true that I didn't think of "taia" before seeing the Maori, I still instantly realized how it fits perfectly (IMO?) with established canon. (That happens a lot when you look at the Maori, which is one reason I keep checking it. :))

 

[Note: I opted not to include "Tohunga" in my retelling, FTR, but more out of a goal to keep things simple for space considerations than anything else. In my Paracosmos I do use it roughly how it was in the "original canon", with the later change back to Matoran symbolizing their re-embracing of unity.

 

Anyways, my point is that I do not at all accept the premise that the self-imposed rules LEGO opted for in the canon are in any way also applicable to fanfics. LEGO was wise to impose those rules, but it's a profit-making toy company, and we're just writing fan fiction, which can be more free to be higher quality. The argument is also self-refuting, since it is saying we should model LEGO's behavior. But many of recognize that LEGO had a good idea in drawing inspiration from a great language, which has only increased our understanding of a different culture by inspiring ongoing research. Since LEGO did that too, then patterning our actions on LEGO means that's also a valid route to take.

 

Since your own argument accepts that words used prior to a certain date are valid, there's no magical reason that date prevents the same validity from extending into the future. Those of us who resonate deeply with that style don't have the option of hopping in a time machine. :P Some things are just timeless.]

 

Just because there’s no chance of a fan-expansion being accepted as canon doesn’t mean those fan-expansions can’t still be held to the same standards as canon would be.

Based on this sentence, I suspect the issue is you are subjectively (perhaps erroneously?? but it might be a taste thing) seeing drawing inspiration from real-world languages as a lower standard. But IMO it's clearly the other way around, although there's nothing particularly wrong with randomness either. Especially for Bionicle, because it was started that way, and consistency is important. LEGO's later avoidance of anything* Maori came across to a lot of people as overcorrection, a lowering of quality, albeit done with good intentions.

 

*Not sure, but I think some of the Mata Nui map names that were later assigned "original" meanings were from Maori or similar languages.

 

 

As for "appropriation", let's not rehash the whole "problem with Ninjago" thing here. I just want to know if people like the sound of this, and if they don't like the Maori inspiration, just look at the in-story reasons it fits with no need to reference the Maori word. :) It draws just as much on the existing word "Makuta", and "ia". (Is it appropriation if it comes from Latin? Nobody seems to think so, so that argument seems inconsistent to me, and even the vast majority of English is borrowed from other languages anyways.)

 

Incidentally, I also liked Taiao because of its similarity to Chinese Tao; "Way", although that isn't so relevant etymologically, but also Taia for its similarity to Gaia -- so there's LOTS of inspiration from different cultures going on here, Maori just being one.

 

 

 

Edit: Here's another possibility -- Mataia. Literally, just add "ia" to "Mata" (as in Mata Nui). Taia could simpy be a shortened form of that, or even the second-half being "translated" as "-verse". "Ia" clearly already means "place" in Matoran, and "Mata" means Spirit, also with connotations from Matoran. And then there's the fact that the element prefix for Fire, which is commonly traditional for leaders, is Ta. Just so many ways to come at it! (I do think I prefer Taia over Mataia, but yeah.)

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Based on this sentence, I suspect the issue is you are subjectively (perhaps erroneously?? but it might be a taste thing) seeing drawing inspiration from real-world languages as a lower standard.

If I have a choice of coming up with a new Matoran word that fits with canon, where would I rather derive it from? Two choices: (a) break the fourth wall and take it from a human language, or (b) fabricate it from already established canon material. As someone who cares about the internal consistency of the canon (and I'm sure you do too), I'd go with (b). Maybe that is subjective personal choice. As you say, I don't think we're really conflicting that much here. If I could come up with a Matoran etymology for Taia, I'd probably be okay with it, although my intuition says that there might be a better option...Either way. carry on.

 

LEGO's later avoidance of anything* Maori came across to a lot of people as overcorrection, a lowering of quality, albeit done with good intentions.

That doesn't really matter. You might have thought it was overcorrection. I don't care if it was. The result was that we had a set of okay Maori words to use--and we still do, so...Minor point though.

 

As for "appropriation", let's not rehash the whole "problem with Ninjago" thing here.

I'm probably missing context here. Is this a thing now? Feel free to just say "yes" and leave it, since I'm not up on forum activity these days. =P Either way, the Latin comparison is a non-sequitor, although there probably is a legit example out there for you to use. LEGO went for Latin in the Bara Magna years because it's potentially easier to clear legally and it's not likely to offend anyone since it's a "dead" language (and Roman culture is similarly absent). yadda yadda

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As for "appropriation", let's not rehash the whole "problem with Ninjago" thing here.

Good call. That argument has already been settled.

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Tolkien, I must say your posts have surprised me, in that while it's perfectly valid for you to express reasons you (apparently?) dislike this suggestion, you haven't done the thing people would normally do in such cases, and which you're famous for. :P So, rather than continue to reply line by line, why don't I just cut to the chase, and ask (I'm serious -- curious, this isn't meant combatively :)), what alternatives would you suggest?

 

Either way, the Latin comparison is a non-sequitor, although there probably is a legit example out there for you to use. LEGO went for Latin in the Bara Magna years because it's potentially easier to clear legally and it's not likely to offend anyone since it's a "dead" language (and Roman culture is similarly absent).

I'm not sure why you say the first phrase here -- how so? (If you mean what comes after to explain it, the problem is that "ia" is, as I said, also part of English culture and several others, so it's still real-world and very much not dead.) But again, let's just grant the argument and call it agreeing to disagree; this is all kind of distracting from what I wanted this entry to be asking about, which wasn't whether you like how I happened to be inspired for this one, but whether you like it for what it is. :) The Maori thing is just an added bonus really, for those who resonate with that approach.

 

Main reason I'm quoting this is just for two minor nitpicks -- it's "non sequitur" (even I messed it up for years too, though, so no biggie :P), and Xia and such predate Bara Magna.

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It's your party, bones. =P You asked for opinions on your idea, and I gave a few (too many? Maybe so). I don't make a habit of crashing other peoples' parties with my silly stuff.

 

But since you asked, I'll bite: I'd go with a word meaning "body". I've got one ready at hand, but it requires a few assumptions about Matoran etymology that might not sit well with you/others. It derives from no "protodermis": ono or onoi. I'd use Ono Nui or Onoi Nui as a general Matoran word for "universe". As for the "Makutaverse" connection, that'd be Makuta-Ono/Onoi, literally "body of Makuta".

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(too many? Maybe so)

Nah, it's all cool; more to discuss. I just felt I should focus the discussion is all. :)

 

And interesting idea. I'll let others say whether they like it. ^_^

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I like Tolkien's, though I did try to find a way to have Taia fit into his extrapolated etymologies. I think I did, but he never responded to it on Skype so... Ono Nui sounds cool. Makuta-Ono... Actually does sound a little Polynesian when I say it out loud,
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I don't see anything wrong with suggesting a new fan-made name to be established into canon. To be honest, at some point BZPower members and other fans are going to need to start deciding together new canon in place of Lego as they aren't any longer interested in continuing the line.

 

It's helpful to remember that Matoran words such as "Toa" and phrases such as "Mata Nui" come straight from Maori, and it would be pretty challenging to tell the Bionicle story without mentioning Toa or Mata Nui. I don't necessarily believe that Lego should have taken those names in the first place, but now that they have and they're so deeply ingrained in Bionicle, taking new words from Maori shouldn't be an issue.

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I don't see anything wrong with suggesting a new fan-made name to be established into canon.

Unfortunately, LEGO's lawyers disagree. :P Previous attempts were turned down and the official policy became to only use names from a list LEGO already cleared through legal, and those are now being used for HF instead.

 

We can think of it as "fanon" though if people like it.

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Sorry Bones; I meant "fanon". We definitely can't make our own official canon here at BZPower, but it just seems like a shame to me that it's likely that no new canon is ever going to be produced if Lego remains the only source of canon.

 

By the way, I like the acronym/new word, and I'd like to use it in my own fan fiction, if that's okay.

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That's totally okay. :)

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"What is that you sayeth, Evil Clock? BZPower is now five long years old? So what? I am thousands upon thousands of years old! I am, in fact, as old as the ocean that I command with my floods! I am even older than clocks like you! What's that? Yeah, yeah, but I just don't feel like AARP is for me..."

--Evil Lord Survurlode


"What do you mean, I'm not speaking in proper Old English? I am Lord Survurlode. If I say this is Old English, it iseth!"

--Evil Lord Survurlode


"What doth mine eyes spyeth? I see-eth a member attempting to posteth! No! I shalt not alloweth it! Rise, ye Floodes! Riseth! ...What? No, I ameth noteth tryingeth hardereth to speaketh Oldeth Englisheth! Ye Silly Clocke!"

--Evil Lord Survurlode


"No, I am NOT an April Fool's Joke! Just because my power increases tenfold on that day doesn't mean my existence depends on it."

--Evil Lord Survurlode


"Frodo? Why would I be scared of him? He sailed off to the West--it means he died, yo! Besides, the One Refresh cannot be melted in some volcano. It would take a... No, wait... Sorry, that information is classified. Muahahahaha!"

--Evil Lord Suvurlode


"The term 'Yo' can be Old English! Yeesh!"

--Evil Lord Survurlode


"See, my problem is that I am far older than Old English. To me it's that newfangled slang those Anglo-Saxon types speak. You'll forgive me if I get it confused with the five million different versions that came out since then. Yes, you will. Or else."

--Evil Lord Survurlode


"..."

--Evil Lord Survurlode's
Kopeke Impression


"What do you mean, it's really 'Mount Doomah?!'"

--Evil Lord Survurlode


"You are getting veeery sleepy. You need more Bubble Wrap. That's right, little member. Wallow in bubble wrap forever. Say it with me now. 'Must. Have. More.'"

--Evil Lord Survurlode


"Brave Knight--I mean, Cowardly Sponge Binkmeister has attempted to attacketh me once again! But lo, I am-- What? Sponge? Is that what I said? I meant Scum. Brave Scum Binkmeister-- What now? Oh, be quiet, minion."

--Evil Lord Survurlode


"No, I am not a girl!"

--Evil Lord Survurlode,
on his power over water


"Muahahahahahahahaha*cough* *hack* *gurgle* ..... *ahem* Must remember to watch the evil laugh when the floodwaters get that high..."

--Evil Lord Survurlode


"Oh, that's an easy question. See, Sauron's One Telephone Ring looked like a metal ring, right? Well, the One Refresh looks like a ring made out of those green arrows... like on that refresh button up there. Wait... why am I telling you this?!"

--Evil Lord Survurlode,
in a BZP interview


"No, I do not get rusty! This is Stainless Steel! What? Yes, yes! They had stainless steel thousands of years ago. Yeesh."

--Evil Lord Survurlode

Gallery Of Explosions

Because explosions are the answer.





























Profundities

"While it's all well and good for someone to turn the other cheek in daily life, in times of great hardship another thought comes to mind instead; namely that one cannot turn a blind eye to the actions of evil and still call himself good."
---Nako



"This is a discussion forum for a reason; it's a place where opinions can be discussed and debated civilly, not where one person can claim their opinion as fact and all others as "just opinions." Every person should, however, support their opinions with facts and evidence of all kinds."




"'The challenge of being a Biological chronicler is understanding why Lego are using another method to sell better. It gets boring using the same ones all the time. Variety is the spice of selling, after all.'
— A Biological chronicler"



"I could convince a thousand people that the moon is made of cheese... and yet it would remain as rocky as ever."



"This is simple, people! If it hurts to hit yourself with a hammer, then don't do it!"



"A famous drummer sits down to do a drum solo, but he has to keep his solo up for five minutes. Does he do all his amazing stuff first? no! If he did that, he would loose all attention because the end would be so boring. If he were smart, he would start out with something simple, and then add to its complexity as he goes along, so that more people would be into it.

The point is, writing either a drum solo, or is like a mountain, the bigger the base, the higher it can get, and the more amazing it is. Think about it, when building a mountain of dirt or sand, you need to slowly create your huge base, then as you build towards the peak things get faster and easier to pile on. The High points are where the story is fast paced and we are reaching the climax--what we just left on the last mountain of story we had (the MU story arch), and now Greg is building a new story mountain for us."

Gallery Of Galaxies

~through the macroscope~































Sigisms

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Least Favorite Edit Of Your Least Favorite Post On Your Most Favorite Day Of The Month?


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Secret Info: The Red Star is Tahu's mobile space mansion, complete with servants.


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Join the petiton for ban bad grammer toady!


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9009 Ways To Say "I Heart Spam"


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92% of all teenagers claim they're in the 8% that hasn't moved on to rap.
If you are part of the 0% that still uses real math, copy and paste this into your sig.


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What Is Your Alter-Ego's Imaginary Friend's Least Favorite Pet Collar?

Certificates Of Approval

Various award imagery and suchnot:






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The above earned twice.




















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Logic is the key.


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I am insane. I know that I am insane. In fact, I know that I am so insane, that I am incapable of realizing that I am insane. Therefore, I know that I am not insane.


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Forgetting things since.... umm....


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Creativity should not be confused with nuclear weapons.


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I heart logic.


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Only dead things do not change. Much.


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Pay attention now. Repeat after me. "Bones. Can. Be. Wrong."


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The problem is, "Tradition for tradition's sake" is like flying blind in an airplane. It's like saying as you approach a mountain "But we've always flown in this direction before... why would we change direction? It isn't the tradition!"


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Remember that -- clever absurdity, designed to harmonize with certain tastes, is the key to originality.


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Ironicles.


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People are like snowflakes. No two are the same.


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Yes, the Toa will win somehow. But let me give you a challenge. Write a story. In which the good guys win, or the bad guys win, doesn't matter. But write it with only introducing the challenges that the winner must overcome, and avoid showing how the winner wins. Just set up the problem, then skip to the end:

"In the end, this character wins, somehow."

Now, do you think this is a successful format for a story, that anybody would really want to read? [...] Readers demand that you as writer have thought through the "how" of the story.


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Where is this idea coming from?


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Makutarahk


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[L]et's not mince words here -- all LEGO products are toys. It's a toy company, in the toy business. There's nothing wrong with that.


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[A] wise Daoist once said that a name is merely a label. If a person calls me a "nerd", then that is their label for me. If a person calls me a "human", that is a label. If they call me "bonesiii", that is a label. I would simply reply that, if "nerd" is the term they wish to apply to me, like "human", then so be it -- I would thus be proud of that label, because I am proud of who I am.


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I'm not telepathic.


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I don't know if this is just the way I'm wired, but I don't really think like "hey, wanna be my friend?" I just be myself, treat others with respect and friendliness, and those who would make good friends just sorta show up. And I really don't think like "well, you're not my friend, you are, you aren't" etc. Anybody can be my friend.


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*revives topic, only to kill it seconds later*


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My two pieces of eight.


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Ha ha! Voriki myth still isn't dead? It's been so long since the constant flow of these topics stopped I guess I thought Voriki had finally kicked the bucket. Well, I hate to put another nail in the old guy's coffin, but...

Topic closed.

I Heart Logic

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Ahhhhh, the sweet smell of complaint topics in July!


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I think Evil Lord Survurlode is out to get me.


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Bionicle doesn't revolve around ANY one fan. Not even you.


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Bionicle does NOT age with its fans.


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If something absolutely has to be done for the greater good, it is by definition NOT evil.


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Think, guys, think! You have brains! Use them!


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Logic is not some meaningless buzzword you can throw around like pie, at least not as long as I, an actual logician, am here.


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Common myth. The answer is: "Yes, if you are an ancient Greek."


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Last I checked, most of us aren't ancient Greeks. tongue.gif Some of us are ancient Geeks, but...


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Besides, show me a brown rock, and I'll use your logic on you. "That's not a rock, it's hardened lava."


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The best symbol of stone would be gray. But it would probably sell almost as bad as brown -- LEGO needed a "flashy" color, more like what Ta, Ga, and Le Toa have.


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Do not insult cheese.


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Omi's right.


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Forty-two.

(Four eight fifteen sixteen twenty-three... *ahem*)


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Logic! Why don't they teach logic in these schools?


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Can you imagine MNOG ending with the Turaga and Matoran executing Ahkmou?


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So here's the question: If LEGO working harder by listening to fans is "lazy", then wouldn't they be "lazy" if they listened to you -- a fan?


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You don't need to hate to say it.


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Four extra letters. "Bionicle sets." How hard is that?

Actually, three extra letters since the s just moves.


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If they are "Bionicles", then you are "History".


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BZPers are often the exception, not the rule.

::celestial_drink::

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Of course it's cruel -- did you think bad guys were Mother Teresa?


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It isn't like I hide it, but it also isn't like I go up to random students at college at say "Hey, I like Bionicle, isn't that something?!"


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One man's junk is another man's treasure.


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I had the same theory in ages past, and Greg personally disproved it.


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The thing can destroy time, man. You guard those kinda things.


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Brevity is the soul.


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Which I suppose is a fancy way of saying, "I have no idea."


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I attack my own theories. I'm weird like that.


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If only books could be updated like web pages.


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Bionicle was supposedly a betrayal of everything LEGO stands for, its pieces far too clunky, a horrible turn away from the more "intelligent" Technic and a total stabbing in the back of the good old brick, an insult to AFOLS, evidence of a mythical trend away from the construction toy, far too violent, etc.


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It's really pretty simple:

Gadunka is one of the "coolest" sets ever. Most inventive, most unusual, most striking. Thus, he is horrible.


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Of course they're weird. All Bionicle names are supposed to be weird. Show me the Bionicle name that is "normal".


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You just completely contradicted yourself. If Mata Nui was working out great, then wouldn't Metru Nui have made less money?



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If that's greedy, then you are greedy for driving in a car to get somewhere far away fast, for wearing shoes so you can walk at a reasonable pace without cutting your feet, using silverware to better eat your food, using a telephone to avoid having to make a trip and speak, using a computer to type a forum post when you could walk personally to everybody's house and speak what you just said over and over and over again.... At least 2000 times to account for all the possible active BZP members, and preferably about five million times -- and you'd have to go door to door throughout the whole world to even figure out which people were Bionicle fans anyways before you started confusing monks in Tibet with strange words like "Kongu" and "Cordak". All within your own lifetime, regardless of whatever else you had wanted to do in your life.

And forget speech. You have to scratch out the message with your fingernails in stone. Then maybe you wouldn't be greedy. Maybe.



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Nobody would surprise me, so it's probably Makuta. But I went with Hydraxon, because he's a weapons master and it would make sense, no?


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Why didn't I think of that earlier?


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I don't just ask rhetorical questions -- I answer them.


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I knew you'd say that.


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You're a body with a head. So what?


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A simple conversion is not a business plan to actually get two radically different markets to behave as if they were the same.


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Um, hello? Are my posts invisible?


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Universe go poof.

We All Live In An

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I hate typing Roman numerals above three.


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I always find these topics funny -- everybody goes in circles, pointing to the exact same aspect of the set and going "See that? So it's obvious it's horrible! How can you not see that?", and then someone else saying, "See that? It's obvious it's awesome! How can you not see that?"


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Obviously, not everybody sees I to I.


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They have their uses -- like if you're making a MOC that's supposed to be a light green faceless humanoid.


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I hate it when I can't tell if someone's joking.


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Yes, that's an excuse to be lazy.


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Hold on just a second. I think you have things backwards. Mata Nui was not paradise -- it was a place of horror and war for a thousand years!


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Lol.


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I'm a logician. I can tell you that your argument does not merely sound illogical. It is.


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Yeah, that'd be bad. Next question?


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We'd still have wooden ducks, no plastic bricks, and definately no LEGO if change was prevented. Really, we wouldn't even have that.


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It is unfortunate that it's this way (at least for us). But it is. We might as well come to grips with it.


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And I walk away in peace.


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You have no idea how many times I've read this style of opening to this kind of topic, man. I must admit I am very very tired of it.

*deeeeep breath*

*shakes head madly*

Okay, I'm good.


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My memory doesn't go back that far.


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If I didn't agree with something, I'd try to find out the reasons for it before doing anything else, which is something I think some people forget to do and instead they dig themselves a hole for no reason.


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Lol, I think you missed the point -- BR isn't going to think your forum deserves approval if he has to be told it exists.


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I'm a coolomaniac.


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But I like spam!
Wait...


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This is not a country. This is a website. Countries are led by governments. Websites are owned by owners. Countries are places you physically exist in, and may have difficulty leaving. Websites are places YOU choose to go. Countries are places you may be born in, or grow up in, etc.

BZPower is a place YOU sign an agreement in order to join. Blame cannot be placed on us when a member violates that agreement. And if a member chooses not to like that agreement anymore, they are free to leave at will. If a member violates the agreement they made with us, we are justified in punishing the member as agreed.


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I'm a logician -- I think in terms of what makes sense all the time. I don't just agree -- I know why I agree, and I think my reasons are pretty sound.


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If I'm breaking a rule, it's because I gave myself permission to allow myself an exception, thus I am not technically breaking it.


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[A]lthough Evil Lord Survurlode does seem to be making a bit of a comeback, just like Sauron, so we might have an epic war that will spawn a novel and three giant books of a trilogy soon... but yeah...


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I object to the wording of this question.


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Huzzah?

I'm A Doctor, Not A Great Being

_bonesquotes #whatever

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Ever had one of those moments where you think you just passed into an alternate timeline? This is one. ()_o


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Rants are based on pompous egos and desire to pick a fight. Not intelligence.


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The Monster on LOST is Makuta.


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Cynics are some of the most naive people on the planet. They hear someone claim things are bad, and they accept it without question.


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I'm a realist with an imagination.


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I blame Survurlode.


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You see a flamer, your response should not be to just flame him back -- you lower yourself to his level if you do.


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Let's open that can of worms, as unpleasant as it might be. [...] *I'm not afraid of you, worms!*


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"Transformation" can be as simple as a bomb rearranging a building into a debris field.


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Far better to be proven wrong than to be wrong without knowing it.


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I remember when I was a kid, and I was just playing around, I didn't know this stuff, so I said gas prices were five dollars at my play gas station.

My dad laughed, said gas would never be that expensive.


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Toa carrying rifles... as they ride their space shuttles into... Klingon territory...


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Kazi [ha]s Rahkshi staffs. (Oooh, Kazi=evil??)


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Take an election between two candidates. Obviously, both candidates will get votes. However, one will get more votes, and one will get less. You would be, in this example, voting for the one with less votes (Mr. Olderfanson). You see why the fact that you, one person, did vote for that guy, doesn't prove that he won the election? [...] "Mr. Newerfanson" won the election.


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o_O


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In general, I do enjoy debates--but I don't enjoy being flamed, no. Nor do I enjoy wasting time when I have tons of PMs I need to reply to and top secret reference projects to work on and all that responding to things that could have been cleared up with more thought before posting, heh. Debates can still get tedious when it seems (please note "seems"!) that a few people refuse to approach them with an open mind.


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<_<
>_>
<_>


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I didn't even spell "the" right.


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Lol. I never said I'm always right! Yeesh, what do I have to do to convince you guys I don't think that? Purposefully take wrong positions or something?


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Guess what? I could draw before I learned to write, but does that mean I should get all huffy and insulted at the fact that not everybody shares my particular talent? This is just absurd, isn't it? Did you honestly think that everybody has the same talents and gains proficiency at the same time?



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When someone much older than you was a kid, LEGO was wooden toys. [fogie teeth voice]"These newfangled plastic things are insulting! As if there isn't money to be made in good old fashioned woodblock toys!"[/fogie teeth voice]


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Can we sing kumbaya yet? Sing it! Koooooooo----oom---bah-----yaaaaaaaaahhhhhh.

Or something... Sing it! You don't even have to agree with me! Just sing it anyways, maaan!

Sing!


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Your mistake is that you are thinking in terms of a simplistic "formula" of strength, and thinking that can be used to predict everything. It can't--every situation is different, and sometimes a weak Matoran might catch a glimpse of a passing Rahkshi while a powerful "Toa Ultimaultrasuper" might get blasted to bits when the same Rahkshi actually attacks. You need to be realistic--think in terms of the situation. Stories are based on that--they are a "game of seconds and inches" where dangers both big and small can occur to both powerful and weak people, and how you perform depends on your brains and the time you have to prepare more than your actual power level.


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Why did the entirely robotic Bohrok need teeth? Someone explain how that is okay but teeth in Piraka isn't?


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Phew. Now, to post, and see if I maxed the text limit out.

Yabo! Hahaha!

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Thanks X. Thanks D. Thanks X and D. XD


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I lazy.


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You can make any innovation look bad if you point to the non-innovative ways (the old "normal" ways) and claim they must be followed blindly.


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But what I don't get about it is -- why the apparent desire to kill characters off for no reason? In real life you meet tons of people who you will never meet again, and they're not dead. Is that to you a problem? I don't get it -- you'd go insane if you tried to stay in touch with every random old lady that said hi when you were walking the dog...


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Yes, my post in this topic is product placement. So sue me.


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In addition, high gravity affects spacetime on a fundamental level, slowing time down and bending the spatial brane. Not to be confused with the spacious brain.


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It would create a field of electrogravimetry that would pull all nearby matter in and then make it explode. The explosion cloud would take the form of an anchovy.


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There's only a slim chance that we exist.


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I love taking myself out of context.


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I think it's admirable to be careful not to offend people where it makes sense. But at some point, you have to be willing to stand up for yourself and be confident enough that if someone comes at you with an unreasonable accusation, you don't take it.


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I think aliens invaded already and have fooled us into thinking they are mere animals who "meow".


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Good stories aren't puppet shows. They are tales of life, with realistic characters -- people -- living out their lives, with really minimal "guiding" by the author.


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Oh goody, a complainer to blast to oblivion.


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To begin with, I disagree strongly with pretending it is "killing off", rather than a serious story being told, with serious themes and life in the story. Characters aren't "killed off". They die.

I find this term somewhat offensive, because it implies the writer kills the character like a TV show host telling a contestant to leave. This is not a game show. It is the events of the storyline that kill the character. That term is merely a psychological shield to avoid the emotion of the moment in the story. IMO, that's a kind of immaturity.


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Um.


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You can't always get what you want "now now now". Your logic makes no sense -- if you want to know what's in the books, that means you support the books' existence. Yet you apparently want spoilers to go up the day it's out, so in the countries where it is bought, people could just read the spoilers and not buy the book, risking its sales going down and the books ending, and thus no more spoilers for you to read!


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Truth = Truth. And nothing else.


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I had spammed ten thousand times.


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A good comedy is a development, like a story, not a punchline. You start with a situation, and it goes in unexpected, funny ways, which leads into other twists, to a conclusion that often can be more serious than funny, avoiding random cliches and developing enough logic that it doesn't feel like you slapped random nonsense down. Comedies Forum has this bad rap of having a lot of Unfunny Stuff -- I think it's the temptation to write short punchlines drawing on typical one-liner cliches that causes this. The 300 word rule is a good basic start to avoiding that problem.


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Dude. My voting precint is a "23". ph34r.gif


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And what people are saying about randomosity is true -- I hope that it's not surprising that as a logician, I understand how to be funny (though I won't try in this post ). Logic isn't for Spock who refuses to smile -- you actually need logic in your comedy to make it funny. In my experience, a balance of logic and random nonsense helps -- even logic OF the random nonsense.


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I highly recommendate it.


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Another mistake a lot of people make is thinking a comedy must be 100% funny -- reality is that that tends to just overwhelm the reader and come off more as spam. If you look at my Survurlode interviews, for example, there is always at least one serious theme that the whole work revolves around. The serious aspects support the humorous, and vice versa.


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*strongly approves of the use of the term "bionical"*


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Well, my observation has always been the opposite -- more established official facts inspires MORE fan imagination -- at least with imaginative official facts. It was really only once the "gappists" starting complaining, in my observation as a 2003+ member here, about "tons of official facts" that I saw the fanfiction community here really explode with creativity.

Think about it -- imagination feuls imagination. Less imagination doesn't -- it starves imagination.

Search My Blog

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How much wood would a woodwood wood if a woodwood would would wood?


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But my point related to that isn't that I literally think it should be FULLY sun-sized. I'm just saying, there's a whole range, from a little larger than Earth, to a LOT larger, to a TONTONZILLION larger, and it's all possible if the story team just feels like it.


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*imagines massive asteriod pulling out a pirate's telescope lol*


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GD is NOT for storyline-only discussion. That discussion belongs in S&T.


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S&T policies are designed for good reasons, tried, tested, and they work.


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Sure I'm sure -- it's Bionicle. Anything's possible.


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I never understand these claims -- how do you know what "proportionate" is for that character? He's a fictional character, made out of plastic LEGO parts.

So why get annoyed at it? When you look at a giraffe, do you get annoyed? It makes no sense to me to do so.

Besides, you're setting yourself up for it. Nobody ever told you these characters were supposed to be exactly human.

If you look at an ape, would you say it's done wrong, just because it resembles a human?


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I plan not to, but I guess if the site shut down I'd kinda have to, wouldn't I?


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...they usually give their jokes when they have the upper hand at the moment, though, or when they've just run into a frustrating difficulty that's not immediately dangerous, which are realistic IMO. When they're in immediate danger, I am not aware that they pause to crack jokes.


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I strongly disagree -- everybody capitalizes their name. It's cliche.

(I do not capitalize because 1) I hate being cliche, and 2) it is symbolic of humility.)


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I knew you'd say that.


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Seriously though, obviously the focus groups like silver, guys -- there's no mystery, those of you portraying it as odd that LEGO keeps using the color. This is how personal taste works -- it differs, and you're gonna find yourself in the minority sometimes. Best get used to it -- that's life.


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*lets self dp*


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I'm not a soldier, but I know that keeping your sense of humor alive even in dangerous or serious situations can be a huge boon to keeping your sanity.

He who forgets how to laugh forgets how to live.


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I heart silver. My favorite metallic. If I had my way, gold would be considered lesser than silver.


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The red eye thing is the closest thing you have to evidence, but I could argue that Berix is the traitor for spending time away from the villages, or Ackar is the traitor because his name sounds like Admiral Ackbar and there was a traitor in Star Wars called Darth Vader.


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Ultimately it comes down to this for me -- YOU choose to dissapointed or miserable.

If you expected the universe to be perfect, that was your choice, and really not very sensible of you.


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If I as a writer were to try to appeal to the attitude you express in your post, I would feel like I am constantly walking on eggshells. Everytime I had a cool idea how to use a character, or more importantly logic told me the character naturally would be involved in something, I would have to worry about whether I shouldn't do it as it might offend someone.

That's a miserable way to write, and I wouldn't wish that on the story team, myself, or anyone.


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But one thing. Everyone expects something when they do something.


Very true. For example, when I posted the above post, I expected somebody to reward me with this point, giving me an excuse to discuss it in a separate post so as to give it better focus.


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Therefore, the more "things to expect" from a "donation or whatever the heck you want to call it", the more likely we get mooooolaaaaaaaa. Therefore good.

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I don't see what the anology has to do with this. "Chevys" (or "Chevies") makes sense. Like "Keets" or Morby or my personal favorite for Makuta -- Terry Mack. "Biological Chronicles" referring to beings makes no sense. And as I typed this, a Chevy ad came on TV. They called it "Chevy." Seriously, exact same time.


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Oh my, you're completely irrelevant metaphor makes you look sooo intelligent.


This is obviously getting out of hand, so I guess I have to close it. Also, you failed to answer my question. When a moderator asks you a question, answer it. Capisce? wink.gif

Please do not attack people like that. That is flaming, or at best trolling, both of which are not allowed.


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What does a premier member buy?

1) YOUR right to be on here for free.

2) Their right to be on here.

3) PM perks, like poll-making, blogs, etc.

4) Proto.

No matter how you slice it, sending in that money is NOT just buying proto. Even if proto is all they want, they're still buying YOUR right to be on here for free. Yall should be grateful.

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