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Good And Evil: Points Of View?

Posted by bonesiii , Sep 20 2007 · 536 views

Bionicle

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Okay, this is partly just an excuse to have a blog entry. Posted Image But also I wanted to put my answer to the above question here in full. Gravitan asked me about this in my profile comments but the answer looks way too convoluted split up into 400 char segments. Posted Image

But in all seriousness, this is a topic many have brought up, and it is VERY relevant to Bionicle -- the answer is one of the core lessons that Bionicle teaches. On a Bionicle fansite, it's pretty important that we recognize that.

So here we go:

Are "Good" and "Evil" just points of view?


QUOTE(Gravitan)
Can it truly be said that good and evil are not points of view?
A (very long Posted Image) post of yours caused me to wonder about this.


My answer:

Gravitan -- it is possible to "redefine" good and evil so that those words are subjective. It's true that some people and cultures have used the words to just mean "my side" and "my enemy's side".

However: the words themselves also mean some real things that have clear differences, and those differences are NOT just points of view.

"Good" people are more self-LESS than selfish, wanting the good of others above themselves. Nobody's perfect at this of course, but that's the idea. Good guys don't backstab each other (or rather, when they do, they aren't being good).

Evil is self-ISH. Evil beings want everything for themselves above others. They use minions and allies when they need them, but as soon as they don't, they will backstab the heck out of 'em. Again, most of us have aspects of this in us, which is why humans aren't truly one or the other. But it's, again, the basic idea of evil.

The above differences simply are not arguable. What's arguable is whether the uses of the word "evil" and "good" are always used accurately. Often they aren't. But that doesn't change the fact that good and evil mean real things.

So to say "good and evil are just points of view" is simply false, because it blindly rules out the correct uses of the words.

In technical logical terms, t's an Equivocation Fallacy -- it's based on noticing that sometimes good and evil ARE used as points of view, but then equivocating those meanings of "good and evil" for the absolute ones, and trying to say "this proves ALL meanings of good and evil are points of view." It is logically invalid, so it is impossible for it to be true.

What about in Bionicle?

Bionicle has shown this time and time again, with it being a major theme of 2004, 2005, and 2006 (especially 2006). It's also been strongly implied from the beginning, from the moment the legends told us of a "brother" of the Great Spirit, Makuta, who betrayed Mata Nui and cast him into a slumber (one that we now know is killing Mata Nui) and tried to conquer for his own selfish gain.

Bionicle fans really should recognize this basic truth -- evil is selfish. Good is not.

However, it is muddled in real life, and thus it makes sense that not ALL "good" and "evil" are really good and evil. The Bohrok were marketed as the "bad guys" and the Toa fought them. But the Toa found out that the Bohrok weren't actually evil. Just not designed to handle people living where they are commanded to Clean It All with capital letters.

There's an important lesson there too -- the Bohrok weren't doing that for selfish reasons, but as part of what's needed to wake up Mata Nui, thus for the good of all. So it's important to try not to use the words "good" and "evil" just to mean "my side and theirs". Using those words as points of view is wrong.

So pointing it out when it happens is certainly a good thing, and it would be just as wrong to sit here and tell you that "good" is always truly good. Not true.


In different ways, all of Bionicle since has been reliving those two themes in different ways.

The Piraka were the pinnacle of a clear example of how evil stabs itself in the back. The Piraka stand for betrayal with a grin.

The Toa Nuva facing off against the Matoran Resistance in the books was another example like the Bohrok, as was the Piraka's pretending to be Toa. The Matoran were fooled into confusing truly evil beings, Piraka, for good guys (called "naivete"), and once they realized this, they were fooled into the opposite, confusing good guys for evil beings (called "cynicism").


This year, what we're exploring is a different form of evil. One that is (for now) united in purpose, and not backstabbing left and right. It could be mistaken that the Barraki are not as evil as the Piraka. But the Barraki are willing to kill on a whim for their own selfish desires -- they are only on each others' side because it is necessary at the moment, and they're a heck of a lot smarter than the Piraka. They know they have to work together to achieve their selfish goals. They know from experience -- it was how they were originally designed to work back when they were good guys (unlike the Piraka).

But watch how they act towards each other. Do they seem like best friends? Carapar hates Takadox, Pridak threatens to rip arms off to get his way, Ehlek zaps whoever annoys him... Etc. Total betrayal isn't all that makes you evil. It's the little things too -- you know the old saying "if you can't be trusted with the little things, you can't be trusted with the big things either."

Compare it to how the Toa act towards each other. They tease jokingly, they encourage each other -- but sometimes they also mess up, insulting each other, and in Vakama's case betraying each other. But what did that make Vakama? A bad guy. It's clear that the Toa do what they do self-LESS-ly, even to the point of risking their very lives (or losing them) to protect the Matoran and each other (Case in point, Lhikan, though he was a Turaga, heh).

Bionicle clearly shows that good and evil are NOT merely points of view. Posted Image

Not only that, but it shows that good is a much better way of life. When neither side has really won, it's muddled and unclear: Which is better? Evil often uses the mistakes of good guys to say "See? See? They're just as bad -- try life our way!"

But when you see one side or the other winning, you see the truth.

When the Piraka take over Voya Nui, Matoran die left and right because the Piraka really don't care. There is pain and horror and anything but peace.

When the Toa Mata defeated Makuta, the Bahrag, when they defeated the Rahkshi, when there were, for the moment, no selfish enemies of power making life miserable, the Matoran had peace. They enjoyed their jobs because they did them willingly for the benefit of others, they were in practically no danger of death or pain, they could see right before their eyes the fact that selflessness produces better results, ironically, for the "self". For each "self."


Back to the Basics

Think about it: If two beings work together to ensure they each have the best life possible, they are both happy and well off. By itself, makes a lousy story, but a great life. Posted Image

If one being insults, steals from, attacks, wars against, works against the other being, both beings are filled with negatives. The one with anger and hatred, which inhrerently torment the very person who uses them, and the other with pain and suffering, even if he cowers and obeys order. If he fights back in hatred, both simply have equal amounts of hatred and pain, and both are miserable.

Even if one kills the other and has no conscience left at all, heshe has nobody to help them out with chores, enjoy sports with, etc. If the other fights back, not in hatred, but from good motives, he won't suffer the torment of hatred, and won't suffer as much pain if he stops the evil one from attacking, but will always be scarred at least a little because he too has no companion to enjoy life with.



In a nutshell, that is all stories. Just the existence of "conflict stories" should be enough to prove to us that good and evil mean different things -- without conflict there is no story, but without the possibility of good and peace, there also is no story.



Conclusion

The answer is yes and no. Sometimes good and evil are points of view, but there are absolute definitions of both words, based on selflessness and selfishness. Good is self-LESS, looking out for others above the self. Evil is self-ISH, looking out for the self above others. To confuse the former definitions of these words with the latter is an equivocation fallacy, which is invalid and logically impossible.

True good and evil mean very real things that are opposite and mutually exclusive: evil is deceptive, seeming to bring benefit for the self but ruining the self in the process, while good truly brings benefit not just for others, but also for the self as a bonus.

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QUOTE(EmpressWhenua @ Sep 26 2007, 08:42 PM)
Correction os the spelling of a certain word: Kakistocracy.

That sounds better. tongue.gif

Yarr.

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QUOTE(the same skeleton who can type with his bony fingers)
But what does heshe decide? I'm just saying, the judge doesn't actually cause the act to be good or evil -- it's the motives of the "acter" that do that. But sure, the judge is important. But not for what I was talking about. Basically, the judge doesn't determine the actual truth of the event he's judging. He just forms his own opinion and then consequences for whatever that opinion is follow. Or she. Or they, etc.

Let's look at a hypothetical situation:

Take a deep breath. Close your eyes. Tight. I SAID CLOSE THEM!

I have no eyelids, remember?


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... -.-

Okay, now, there is a person who has killed someone in a rage because the killee killed his dog (man's best friend, remember?). So, the judge sits before him, gavel in hand. It is the judge who will decide on the fate of the criminal

No arguments there.


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and decide whether he is guilty or innocent

Argument there. He will decide whether he is guilty or innocent in the eyes of the court. And that will be what decides his fate (well, part of it). That doesn't mean the judge actually causes the man to be either guilty or innocent, in reality. See what I'm saying? In this example, the actual act is done long before the judge even enters the picture, and it is during that act that "real" built or innocence, in terms of selfishness or not, is formed.

The question then becomes if the court/judge/jury will accurately recognize that guilt or innocence (or, more realistically, something like a "not guilty" verdict which doesn't technically judge either way). And of course, that matters to the guy -- it is his fate we're talking about, after all. So not arguing that. Just saying, what determines his fate isn't necessarily his actual guilt or innocence -- it's the court's opinion about his guilt or innocence.


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(No jury; this is a kangaroo court. What? Yes, that is a term given to courts that have only a judge.) What will he use to figure out the "truth?"

The Judge: Is he impartial? Is he negative? Has his affiliation been damaged? Has (heaven forbid) recived bribes? Is ne a noob or a old-timer at the proffesion? Is he upright?

The Circumstance: Was the act done under vile pretence? Was it in concordance with the laws, both supernatural and earthly? Was the act done under pressure, anger, spite, etc?

The Philosophies: This sums both the above together. Was the killer a thinker or doer? What was his life like? Was he agressive or passive? Is the judge either of those, too?

Good sumup of all those.

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With these things in mind, the answer to the hearing is obvious if you use the choices in the corresponding grid. That is why I view those three things as the things that determine good and evil in earthly prespective (the other being Godly).

Well, no arguments with that wording. I'm simply not talking about a perspective at all, but about the actual truth (which IMO happens to always coincide with the Godly perspective tongue.gif). Of course, in reality we can never know that, at least this side of the grave, but in fiction, we can, because the author (like Greg) can just tell us.

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Though they do not determine the logical truth, they determine the truth that would make or break the fate of the killer.

Naturally, it is only one example of the truth behind TJ's saying.

Very well, agreed.
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Of course, this is my view on the issue on a very limited scale. But I never said philosophers were the most logical people on earth. tongue.gif

Never was a truer statement uttered. tongue.gif

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But, I have my opinion, you can have yours. ( tongue.gif ) j/k

~EW~

Ha ha.

QUOTE(Adventuress @ Sep 30 2007, 10:36 PM)
Question: What stops people from doing evil things that actually benifit them? Is it:
1) Morality
2) Guilt
3) Public Image
If your answer is a combination, can you tell me which is the major factor pirate.gif

Well, I'm going to approach this question in several ways, A. First (the numbering is for my points, not your list, to be clear):

1) The question is so deep and it is asking about the "real" truth I was mentioning above in my response to EW. I also mentioned that it's impossible for us to know that "real" truth about someone else for sure. So everything I say about my opinion on your question has to be taken with a grain of salt (even by me), because you're asking something I could really only know if I was telepathic and could read every mind of everybody alive now, and who had lived in Earth's history. tongue.gif I ain't, I can't. Just so you know.

But of course there are ways to get good clues and hints about what it is for each person, because our thoughts usually manifest in something others can see/hear/etc. So I'll give it a shot.

2) Before we even get to the multiple choice part, I have to take issue with the question itself. Can we be sure that "evil" things really do benefit the evildoer, overall? Not to get into religious stuff, but there's a concept that evil can be attractive, and even fun at first, but then you find out you were deceived and the results are far worse than the "good" you may have felt at first. So evil would end up harming the evildoer far more than it benefits them.

The question would probably be better phrased, "What stops people from doing evil things that actually benifit them, at least in the short term?"

3) I don't think the best way to approach this topic can be done in the way that you asked. You want me to tell you which is the most important factor. I think the most important thing to realize about the answer is this:

It's all of the above, and quite possibly more, plus it will vary from person to person.

You're going to have individuals who don't care about guilt, they live in the now, but the public image will stop them (unless the public doesn't know, they might reason). You're going to have individuals who believe someone knows everything they do, so they will pay attention to morality. You can have subsets of these -- those who think the public will always find out, or those who would avoid evil only because of fear of punishment from someone who they believe knows everything. You will have those who suffer guilt from past "evil", and decide they will avoid "bigger" evil to avoid bigger guilt. You'll have some who have guilt only when they're caught in public. On and on this can go.

So yeah. No easy answer.

4) Buuuuut, to take your question as you asked it, I want to focus on Bionicle here for now, and I want to add an option. #4, love of good. The best example I can give is of a Toa who really wants to do whatever he can to protect the Matoran, and so he's willing to risk his life protecting them. For a Toa, it is arguably "evil" to flee danger rather than confronting it -- you know, the old superhero quote "with great power comes great responsibility."

That might not sound as dramatic as a Toa having to choose between killing an enemy who doesn't need killed or not -- but it's a far harder decision when you think about it. The Toa making the "we don't kill" choice has the upper hand if he can actually choose. The Toa who has to decide whether to fight or flee probably doesn't have that. To him the choice may be like this: "Flee and be safe and comfortable", or "Fight a very dangerous enemy and probably die in vain". Now that ain't easy. In that case, I think you can have guilt, and you can have morality. You can have public image if there's any public left to form an image. But can you see that the love of good can also be a powerful motivating force here?

5) But to move totally in line with your question as you asked it, I think the major factor has to be morality. Simple process of elimination:
#3 -- Public image? Most people think that they can get away with a lot more than they actually can, and there are still those, like Jack the Ripper, who totally escape the public eye (at least, his real identity -- if memory serves anyways tongue.gif). No, public image isn't very powerful at all. People who rely on this will do anything they can get away with. And many will do things that are evil, yet actually enhance their public image. But let's not get political here. laugh.gif

#2 -- Guilt? Yes, this is very powerful. To a lot of people, this is certainly a factor. But guilt only comes after you do something, and until you've experienced it, you may think it wouldn't be that bad. Also, people can simply ignore their conscience and literally convince themselves that they have nothing to be guilty about. And different "crimes" will have people have less or more guilt. So think about the Toa who is facing a powerful foe, and kills him. Like with the Toa Inika during that one test -- they didn't even think about guilt until they had "killed" the illusions. If those illusions were real, all the guilt in the world wouldn't help them. But certainly, it does play a powerful role.

#1 -- Morality. Morality is basically a system where you identify what actions are considered good and evil, and the results you believe come from them. This covers both public image and guilt, because a system of morals is what you basically need in order to avoid the bad side of those things anyways. Take the Toa Inika example. Guilt in that case certainly helped them form a newer sense of the "Toa don't kill" moral. So guilt can lead to a new morality. But a morality that already exists can be taught and that way, the killing can be avoided in the first place.

Also, morality is the only one of these three that deals with the love of good -- if you care for the Matoran, for example, your system of morals ("Duty") tell you that you should go and face the evil, whether in vain or not, and at worst go down to the grave with honor. Public image isn't about that at all -- it's basically selfish, and fickle (look at LoMN with the fake Dume; the public image there was that the Toa were bad guys but they did the right thing anyways). Guilt is somewhat about that, but again, if you decide "I can't do this, I'd live with the guilt all my life", that is a moral, not actual guilt itself. Guilt comes after you've done the evil act, and you wish you hadn't so that the Matoran could be safe. And it is, again, selfish, because you pity yourself for having to be depressed by guilt.

Morality is the only one of these three that says "Okay, this is what I must do for the good of everybody involved" and can produce that result everytime, preventing the act of evil, if it's followed. smile.gif
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Say someone had committed an evil act before and they felt incredibly guilty afterwards, couldn't that prevent them from doing something similar again?
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QUOTE(Adventuress @ Oct 1 2007, 09:48 PM)
Say someone had committed an evil act before and they felt incredibly guilty afterwards, couldn't that prevent them from doing something similar again?

Most certainly. Some criminals will commit a crime only once, then feel that they have learned their lesson and move on.
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QUOTE(Gravitan @ Oct 2 2007, 08:12 AM)
QUOTE(Adventuress @ Oct 1 2007, 09:48 PM)
Say someone had committed an evil act before and they felt incredibly guilty afterwards, couldn't that prevent them from doing something similar again?

Most certainly. Some criminals will commit a crime only once, then feel that they have learned their lesson and move on.

Yep, and I believe I said that, didn't I? tongue.gif

But what I'm pointing out is, in that case guilt is the motivating force, but it motivates that person to basically create a new "moral" for themselves: "I won't do that again". Make sense?
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QUOTE(Ca'gerrin @ Sep 20 2007, 04:17 PM)
And he's right, too.


~D


He is.
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I think this is a great blog entry, bonesiii! biggrin.gif You analysed this topic very professionally.

Since you asked for more inspiring questions I'd like to bring up a new point for you to think about: tongue.gif

When a person or an animal kills in order to survive isn't this an evil act, too? According to your defenition anyone who acts for selfish reasons is evil. Killing someone who tries to kill you not only serves yourself but also harms the other person. So, does the fact that this person tries to kill you give you the right to kill them? In the case of Bionicle this could be the reason why Toa don't kill. Another example would be when a lion kills an antelope because it doesn't want to die of starvation. Although the lion acts selfish in this situation it is in genaral not considered evil. One could argue that this is the course of nature and serves its balance but the lion does not eat the antelope because it wants to serve any greater good.
(Sidenote: This is just an example. I don't want to claim that lions are evil.)

I'm curious about your opinion on this. smile.gif
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QUOTE(TOA BIONUI @ Oct 30 2007, 08:56 PM)
I think this is a great blog entry, bonesiii! biggrin.gif You analysed this topic very professionally.

Since you asked for more inspiring questions I'd like to bring up a new point for you to think about: tongue.gif

When a person or an animal kills in order to survive isn't this an evil act, too? According to your defenition anyone who acts for selfish reasons is evil. Killing someone who tries to kill you not only serves yourself but also harms the other person. So, does the fact that this person tries to kill you give you the right to kill them? In the case of Bionicle this could be the reason why Toa don't kill. Another example would be when a lion kills an antelope because it doesn't want to die of starvation. Although the lion acts selfish in this situation it is in genaral not considered evil. One could argue that this is the course of nature and serves its balance but the lion does not eat the antelope because it wants to serve any greater good.
(Sidenote: This is just an example. I don't want to claim that lions are evil.)

I'm curious about your opinion on this. smile.gif

1) Thanks. smile.gif
2) You're opening quite a can of worms here. tongue.gif I fear not worms though -- just be aware that there are many different opinions on that one, some of them strong. (So I don't want any flame here, everybody. Feel free to disagree respectfully and hopefully with logic. tongue.gif)

3) Well, remember I said that if something absolutely is necessary, it isn't really selfish -- if a person kills an animal in order to survive, that's different. With animals only, morals don't really come into play because they aren't sapient. With people, if it's the last choice left, it's clearly okay.

4) Where you're going to find gray areas is when it's not technically the last choice, and especially things like hunting and fishing purely for sport. Like buying meat at the grocery store, eating a cheeseburger, etc. As I do all the time. The disagreements in these areas are based in religion so we can't discuss details of that.

5) Logically speaking, my reasoning has to do with mental health and taste; I couldn't stand eating nothing but vegetarian foods. Especially not Vegan. But I'd agree that purely non-religiously speaking, those who avoid killing animals at all costs for nutrition do have the safest moral approach. (But logic forces me to consider the religious viewpoints too.)

6) Killing someone who tries to kill you -- depends; is it self-defense? Meaning, the best defense is a good offense -- in that instance, is killing them the only choice? Toa don't kill because it often isn't, at least in Bionicle physics. But is it literally a choice between you dying and them dying? Then it would not be wrong to kill the attacker in self-defense. And keep in mind in the heat of the moment, and the shock of it, it's quite easy to misjudge and in that situation it might be better to "overreact" than to try to think it through, because if you waste time trying to be extra cautious you are likely to end up dead. So usually, killing in self-defense is considered morally sound.

7) If they try to kill you, does it give you the right to kill them? It's a good question, because I said a murderer forfeits his life, but if he hasn't actually murdered you yet, has he technically forfeited it yet? Lemme answer that with a question -- would you wait until he had murdered you before you killed him back? tongue.gif It's not even possible (well... barring killer ghosts tongue.gif). Since he does have the intent to kill, and the intent is what defines evil, he has already forfeited his life by both having the intent and acting on it by attacking you.

8) That's not the reason in Bionicle -- the reason is that in most situations the hero does not actually have to kill the bad guy. There are other options, and the Toa use them. If a Toa literally had zero choice, heshe would kill, and they have done this.

9) No, the lion isn't being selfish. Remember the difference between selfishness, which seeks to cause unnecessary harm for personal benefit, and taking care of yourself -- i.e. doing what IS necessary for your own survival. The latter is not selfish.

10) Of course, if the question is between a human eating another human because it's necessary for survival, that would be a whole 'nother can of worms. (Again, back to religion again, I would say it is still wrong, but it's a gray area.)

11) Balance of nature -- well, it is now, heh. Yet again another religious topic; many do not believe it was always this way. But I would just point out that all lions eat meat, so when each one does do what it must to stay alive, it keeps the whole species alive, which does help the greater good. If all lions stopped eating, there would be no baby lions, and nobody hunting for the whole pride, and they'd go extinct. Keeping yourself alive can definately be a good act done towards others, since you can help others when you're alive.
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Thank you very much for replying to my questions so elaborately! smile.gif

I still disagree with a few points but I'm okay with leaving it at that. smile.gif

You should really keep up writing interesting stuff like this! biggrin.gif
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The Shadow Makuta
Apr 05 2008 03:04 AM
Is Mata Nui good.....or evil, then?

I think Mata Nui is SUPER selfish! He doesn't really care what is happening in his universe, he just keep it away from collapsing. When there are Matoran Civil War, he did nothing. So it later weakened him, and cost one Toa's life to healed him. The organization that serves his will, Order of Mata Nui, prevented Makuta from killing 2007 main villains. After he fell asleep, Toa Mata who is destined to awaken him, well.....awoke him, and brought him to his death, then cost another life to resurrected him. The way that his universe connects to him make him "invaluable". He can't die, the others can die (for him).

So same question, is Mata Nui good or evil?
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QUOTE(The Shadow Makuta @ Apr 5 2008, 04:04 AM)
Is Mata Nui good.....or evil, then?

Mata Nui is good.

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I think Mata Nui is SUPER selfish! He doesn't really care what is happening in his universe, he just keep it away from collapsing.

First of all, where did you hear that he doesn't care what is happening in his universe? I can guarantee you that was a false rumor. tongue.gif

Second, the last phrase in this part of what you said is what Mata Nui's job is, not what he "only cares" about. Look at it this way -- a police officer's job is to police the "homeland" -- like a city. Yet the policeman isn't overseas fighting a war. Why not? Because that's the job of soldiers. You can't expect one person to do everything.

Thirdly, keeping the universe from collapsing is pretty important, isn't it? Isn't it also something "happening"?

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When there are Matoran Civil War, he did nothing.

Are you saying he should have? At the expense of the universe? Mata Nui should let the universe collapse so he could take over the job of Toa and others who are tasked with dealing with enemies, etc.? That wouldn't work.

I might as well argue that when there was a holdup at a bank near your area, you did nothing, so that makes you somehow selfish. That's a rather silly argument, don't you think?

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So it later weakened him, and cost one Toa's life to healed him.

Because they don't want their universe to collapse! How is that selfish? Sorry, but you're not making any sense.


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The organization that serves his will, Order of Mata Nui, prevented Makuta from killing 2007 main villains.

You state that as if to say "because they wanted them to be the 2007 villains." You didn't mention that the Barraki only escaped because Makuta caused the Great Cataclysm! That's Makuta's fault.

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After he fell asleep, Toa Mata who is destined to awaken him, well.....awoke him

What? The Toa Mata have not yet awoken Mata Nui. That is what they're trying to do this year, in 2008.

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, and brought him to his death, then cost another life to resurrected him.

Are you saying Greg should have told a story in which no sacrifice is required, nothing bad ever happens, etc? That would be unrealistic.

All you're doing is citing bad things that happened, ignoring the good things, and apparently implying that you have an alternative in which nothing bad ever happens and there's no conflict. That would be a really boring story, don't you think?

It's also a common tactic used by irrational critics of someone, or something, who don't understand that everything has both pros and cons. This is usually done by someone who simply hates the someone/something and wishes to discredit them for personal reasons. Dunno why you'd be doing that. But you need to understand that realistically, there are pros and cons to everything.

For example, say your boss asks you to work overtime. Con: you work more. Pro: you make more money. But by your logic, it would be selfish because you would look only at the con and complain about it. That makes no sense -- and the alternative suggestion would be what? To make extra money for no work at all? Not happening. tongue.gif

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The way that his universe connects to him make him "invaluable". He can't die, the others can die (for him).

Nor can he ever stop working. He's basically a slave, is he not? What if he gets tired of that job, and wants to retire on some surface island, and just let the Matoran universe rot? Wouldn't that be selfish??

Instead, the guy slaves away for his entire existence trying to keep everybody alive, and you call him selfish for it?

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So same question, is Mata Nui good or evil?

I hope I've been able to help. I'm not sure why you seem to have something against Mata Nui, so I'd ask you to calm down and think things through a little. smile.gif He's only a fictional character, so it doesn't make sense to have a vendetta against him, man. tongue.gif
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First of all, where did you hear that he doesn't care what is happening in his universe? I can guarantee you that was a false rumor.


He actually has a character flaw which makes him not really care too much about the universe as long as it's working. smile.gif
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QUOTE(Adventurer @ Apr 6 2008, 10:28 PM)
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First of all, where did you hear that he doesn't care what is happening in his universe? I can guarantee you that was a false rumor.


He actually has a character flaw which makes him not really care too much about the universe as long as it's working. smile.gif

Really? Can you provide a quote for that one? I'm curious about the "too much" part. tongue.gif 'Cuz it's always sounded to me as if his will is a big part of why the OoMN, Toa, etc. exist as orgs. Which would imply caring, to me.
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Important Entries:


Evil Lord Survurlode:
Interviews:
Chief Evil Clock -- Exclusive!
Evil Lord Survurlode
The Chief Gremlin, Minion of Survurlode
Gollaga, Enemy of Survurlode
Orca Goblahk, Ex-Minion Of Survurlode
Lawyerahk Bob, of the Dreaded Real Life Attack Wing


Powerpoint Art Guides:
Vector Art In Powerpoint: Quality, Inexpensive, Easy
Coolifying With Powerpoint Vector Art

Ions of Opine:
Character Death
Walmart is Not Evil
Stop the "Everybody Hates" Nonsense
Join Petiton for Ban Bad Grammer Toady!
BZP's "Some-won Dyed!1!1!" Culture

Chronicles of Bio:
What Most Fans Want
Focus Groups
Easy Makuta Powers Guide
2008 Is Not The End
Science Fantasy = Bionicle
Good and Evil: Points of View?
Ruthless Elegance: A Visual Guide To Cool
A Magical Forest Called Bionicle
Why Kopeke as Chronicler?

Wall of History:
History of Technicism Vs. Bioniclism
History of Set Gimmicks in Bionicle
History of Violence in Bionicle

Logic is the Key:
Criticizing Me

Dissecting Nostalgia
Friends Can Disagree
Taste Discrimination Fallacy, Taste Equality
Am I Against Free Speech?

Complaint Topic Archive
Can Opinions Be Wrong?
Why I Do What I Do
BZP Debate Terms Guide

Log of B:
Track Blog Toolbar Code


Blog Contests:
1: Pet Peeve Contest -- Help Fight Survurlode!
Pet Peeve Winners & Reward art!
2: Powerpoint Faces
.ppt Faces Winners!
3: 2nd Chances MOCs: Beasts! (BPC#1)
Beasts MOC winners
4: Monstery Mystery Powerpoint Art (BPC#2)
Unseen (Ch. 1 of slow-reveal of Monster Mystery winner)
5: Blue MOCs 2nd Chances (BPC#3)
Blue Results
6: Bohrok Kool (BPC#4)
7: Multiverse Guide Art (EMC#3.5)
EM Guide Art Results

.ppt Faces Top 3

These are the top three winning entries of the Powerpoint Faces art contest on the Bones Blog.

1st Place by Ary


2nd Place by Rangan Mercenus™


3rd Place by Thormen


The other winning entries are listed here, along with bio info about the artwork.

Skull Of Approval



Use of this image is valid only when posted by bonesiii. High quality content is requisite. The blog entry itself wins the award. If you win multiple times, you are permitted to say so whereever you display the award.

Pet Peeve Gallery

The following Pet Peeves were identified by BZPower members in a contest for use in an allergenic weapon to be used against Evil Lord Survurlode. These photos taken by me when the Peeves were in captivity. Peeve names link to full bios.

Grand Prize: Flame
By Wysp

Adult form (click thumbnail):


2nd Place: The Misinformed
By Electric Turahk


3rd Place: Ignorance
By Kopaka's Apprentice


4th Place: Corrector
By xccj


5th Place: Double Posters
By EmperorWhenua


6th Place: CAPS Locker
By Toa of Dancing


7th Place: Miwo
By Lluvio


8th Place: Endtag Argh
By Kakaru


9th Place: Blushroom
By Darkspine Neya


10th Place: TB-RPG Overlord
By Nero


11th Place: Polloflower
By The Infection


12th Place: Emoticanus
By Kohena: Great Warrior of Pie


13th Place: Toktomee
By Wyattu


14th Place: Typcgraphical Gnomelette
By Arpy


15th Place: Shortenator
By Axinian the Chronicler


16th Place: Pica'huge
By ~Kativa~


Peeves by me:

Bionicles:


Plural Apostrophe's:


Alwayzon Turnsignal:


Neveron Turnsignal:


Chalkboard Scratcher:


DoomAH:


Stolen Thunder:

Evil Lord Survurlode Says...



"Brave Knight Binkmeister thought he could banish me with new software. Ha! Lord Survurlode is immortal--I survived because I retained a connection with the One Refresh To Rule Them All. Sauron tried to survive in the telephone system with his One Ring--but that dastardly Frodo tossed it into Mount Dume. Sauron was lost. But the Refresh still exists, oh yes, and as long as it does, I live also, to bring my floods to the BZP forums!"

--Evil Lord Survurlode,
in a BZP interview


"Killeth them with kindness. That's what my mother taught me. So I figured, instead of trying to fight Brave Knight Binkmeister's attempt to overthrow me... I would instead give him the one thing he loves most. Bubble Wrap. Not only him, but all of his followers. BZP members once knew me as their common enemy. But now... am I just a kind old man who has free Bubble Wrap?"

--Evil Lord Survurlode


"Why in the world am I calling him Brave Knight Binkmeister?! That term sounds... nice. It makes him sound like a hero! NO!!! He's my enemy! No, no, henceforth he shalt be known as 'Cowardly Scum Binkmeister'!"

--Evil Lord Survurlode


"Yes, my new minion, you now see the dastardly plans BZP members have--they seek to avoid my floods by getting on in the morning or the late evening, or worse, the nighttime. Sauron might have been a sleepless creature of the night, but personally I can't stand coffee. But not to worry! You, my friend, will go out and enslave the members. You will sit enthroned on their shelves, hung from their walls like a cursed mark, and wrapped around their wrists like handcuffs. Even they shalt know the constraints of time! Behold, the Evil Clock!"

--Evil Lord Survurlode


"What is that you sayeth, Evil Clock? BZPower is now five long years old? So what? I am thousands upon thousands of years old! I am, in fact, as old as the ocean that I command with my floods! I am even older than clocks like you! What's that? Yeah, yeah, but I just don't feel like AARP is for me..."

--Evil Lord Survurlode


"What do you mean, I'm not speaking in proper Old English? I am Lord Survurlode. If I say this is Old English, it iseth!"

--Evil Lord Survurlode


"What doth mine eyes spyeth? I see-eth a member attempting to posteth! No! I shalt not alloweth it! Rise, ye Floodes! Riseth! ...What? No, I ameth noteth tryingeth hardereth to speaketh Oldeth Englisheth! Ye Silly Clocke!"

--Evil Lord Survurlode


"No, I am NOT an April Fool's Joke! Just because my power increases tenfold on that day doesn't mean my existence depends on it."

--Evil Lord Survurlode


"Frodo? Why would I be scared of him? He sailed off to the West--it means he died, yo! Besides, the One Refresh cannot be melted in some volcano. It would take a... No, wait... Sorry, that information is classified. Muahahahaha!"

--Evil Lord Suvurlode


"The term 'Yo' can be Old English! Yeesh!"

--Evil Lord Survurlode


"See, my problem is that I am far older than Old English. To me it's that newfangled slang those Anglo-Saxon types speak. You'll forgive me if I get it confused with the five million different versions that came out since then. Yes, you will. Or else."

--Evil Lord Survurlode


"..."

--Evil Lord Survurlode's
Kopeke Impression


"What do you mean, it's really 'Mount Doomah?!'"

--Evil Lord Survurlode


"You are getting veeery sleepy. You need more Bubble Wrap. That's right, little member. Wallow in bubble wrap forever. Say it with me now. 'Must. Have. More.'"

--Evil Lord Survurlode


"Brave Knight--I mean, Cowardly Sponge Binkmeister has attempted to attacketh me once again! But lo, I am-- What? Sponge? Is that what I said? I meant Scum. Brave Scum Binkmeister-- What now? Oh, be quiet, minion."

--Evil Lord Survurlode


"No, I am not a girl!"

--Evil Lord Survurlode,
on his power over water


"Muahahahahahahahaha*cough* *hack* *gurgle* ..... *ahem* Must remember to watch the evil laugh when the floodwaters get that high..."

--Evil Lord Survurlode


"Oh, that's an easy question. See, Sauron's One Telephone Ring looked like a metal ring, right? Well, the One Refresh looks like a ring made out of those green arrows... like on that refresh button up there. Wait... why am I telling you this?!"

--Evil Lord Survurlode,
in a BZP interview


"No, I do not get rusty! This is Stainless Steel! What? Yes, yes! They had stainless steel thousands of years ago. Yeesh."

--Evil Lord Survurlode

Gallery Of Explosions

Because explosions are the answer.





























Profundities

"While it's all well and good for someone to turn the other cheek in daily life, in times of great hardship another thought comes to mind instead; namely that one cannot turn a blind eye to the actions of evil and still call himself good."
---Nako



"This is a discussion forum for a reason; it's a place where opinions can be discussed and debated civilly, not where one person can claim their opinion as fact and all others as "just opinions." Every person should, however, support their opinions with facts and evidence of all kinds."




"'The challenge of being a Biological chronicler is understanding why Lego are using another method to sell better. It gets boring using the same ones all the time. Variety is the spice of selling, after all.'
— A Biological chronicler"



"I could convince a thousand people that the moon is made of cheese... and yet it would remain as rocky as ever."



"This is simple, people! If it hurts to hit yourself with a hammer, then don't do it!"



"A famous drummer sits down to do a drum solo, but he has to keep his solo up for five minutes. Does he do all his amazing stuff first? no! If he did that, he would loose all attention because the end would be so boring. If he were smart, he would start out with something simple, and then add to its complexity as he goes along, so that more people would be into it.

The point is, writing either a drum solo, or is like a mountain, the bigger the base, the higher it can get, and the more amazing it is. Think about it, when building a mountain of dirt or sand, you need to slowly create your huge base, then as you build towards the peak things get faster and easier to pile on. The High points are where the story is fast paced and we are reaching the climax--what we just left on the last mountain of story we had (the MU story arch), and now Greg is building a new story mountain for us."

Gallery Of Galaxies

~through the macroscope~































Sigisms

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92% of people have moved on from Gregorian chants. If you are part of the 8% that still listens to real music, copy and paste this into your sig.


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Least Favorite Edit Of Your Least Favorite Post On Your Most Favorite Day Of The Month?


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Secret Info: The Red Star is Tahu's mobile space mansion, complete with servants.


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Join the petiton for ban bad grammer toady!


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9009 Ways To Say "I Heart Spam"


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92% of all teenagers claim they're in the 8% that hasn't moved on to rap.
If you are part of the 0% that still uses real math, copy and paste this into your sig.


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What Is Your Alter-Ego's Imaginary Friend's Least Favorite Pet Collar?

Certificates Of Approval

Various award imagery and suchnot:






(Above from Makaru; resized to fit.)










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The above earned twice.




















Certificates Of Approval

Part 2









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Logic is the key.


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I am insane. I know that I am insane. In fact, I know that I am so insane, that I am incapable of realizing that I am insane. Therefore, I know that I am not insane.


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Forgetting things since.... umm....


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Creativity should not be confused with nuclear weapons.


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I heart logic.


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Only dead things do not change. Much.


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Pay attention now. Repeat after me. "Bones. Can. Be. Wrong."


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The problem is, "Tradition for tradition's sake" is like flying blind in an airplane. It's like saying as you approach a mountain "But we've always flown in this direction before... why would we change direction? It isn't the tradition!"


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Remember that -- clever absurdity, designed to harmonize with certain tastes, is the key to originality.


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Ironicles.


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People are like snowflakes. No two are the same.


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Yes, the Toa will win somehow. But let me give you a challenge. Write a story. In which the good guys win, or the bad guys win, doesn't matter. But write it with only introducing the challenges that the winner must overcome, and avoid showing how the winner wins. Just set up the problem, then skip to the end:

"In the end, this character wins, somehow."

Now, do you think this is a successful format for a story, that anybody would really want to read? [...] Readers demand that you as writer have thought through the "how" of the story.


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Where is this idea coming from?


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Makutarahk


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[L]et's not mince words here -- all LEGO products are toys. It's a toy company, in the toy business. There's nothing wrong with that.


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[A] wise Daoist once said that a name is merely a label. If a person calls me a "nerd", then that is their label for me. If a person calls me a "human", that is a label. If they call me "bonesiii", that is a label. I would simply reply that, if "nerd" is the term they wish to apply to me, like "human", then so be it -- I would thus be proud of that label, because I am proud of who I am.


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I'm not telepathic.


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I don't know if this is just the way I'm wired, but I don't really think like "hey, wanna be my friend?" I just be myself, treat others with respect and friendliness, and those who would make good friends just sorta show up. And I really don't think like "well, you're not my friend, you are, you aren't" etc. Anybody can be my friend.


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*revives topic, only to kill it seconds later*


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My two pieces of eight.


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Ha ha! Voriki myth still isn't dead? It's been so long since the constant flow of these topics stopped I guess I thought Voriki had finally kicked the bucket. Well, I hate to put another nail in the old guy's coffin, but...

Topic closed.

I Heart Logic

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Ahhhhh, the sweet smell of complaint topics in July!


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I think Evil Lord Survurlode is out to get me.


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Bionicle doesn't revolve around ANY one fan. Not even you.


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Bionicle does NOT age with its fans.


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If something absolutely has to be done for the greater good, it is by definition NOT evil.


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Think, guys, think! You have brains! Use them!


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Logic is not some meaningless buzzword you can throw around like pie, at least not as long as I, an actual logician, am here.


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Common myth. The answer is: "Yes, if you are an ancient Greek."


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Last I checked, most of us aren't ancient Greeks. tongue.gif Some of us are ancient Geeks, but...


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Besides, show me a brown rock, and I'll use your logic on you. "That's not a rock, it's hardened lava."


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The best symbol of stone would be gray. But it would probably sell almost as bad as brown -- LEGO needed a "flashy" color, more like what Ta, Ga, and Le Toa have.


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Do not insult cheese.


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Omi's right.


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Forty-two.

(Four eight fifteen sixteen twenty-three... *ahem*)


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Logic! Why don't they teach logic in these schools?


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Can you imagine MNOG ending with the Turaga and Matoran executing Ahkmou?


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So here's the question: If LEGO working harder by listening to fans is "lazy", then wouldn't they be "lazy" if they listened to you -- a fan?


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You don't need to hate to say it.


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Four extra letters. "Bionicle sets." How hard is that?

Actually, three extra letters since the s just moves.


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If they are "Bionicles", then you are "History".


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BZPers are often the exception, not the rule.

::celestial_drink::

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Of course it's cruel -- did you think bad guys were Mother Teresa?


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It isn't like I hide it, but it also isn't like I go up to random students at college at say "Hey, I like Bionicle, isn't that something?!"


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One man's junk is another man's treasure.


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I had the same theory in ages past, and Greg personally disproved it.


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The thing can destroy time, man. You guard those kinda things.


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Brevity is the soul.


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Which I suppose is a fancy way of saying, "I have no idea."


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I attack my own theories. I'm weird like that.


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If only books could be updated like web pages.


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Bionicle was supposedly a betrayal of everything LEGO stands for, its pieces far too clunky, a horrible turn away from the more "intelligent" Technic and a total stabbing in the back of the good old brick, an insult to AFOLS, evidence of a mythical trend away from the construction toy, far too violent, etc.


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It's really pretty simple:

Gadunka is one of the "coolest" sets ever. Most inventive, most unusual, most striking. Thus, he is horrible.


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Of course they're weird. All Bionicle names are supposed to be weird. Show me the Bionicle name that is "normal".


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You just completely contradicted yourself. If Mata Nui was working out great, then wouldn't Metru Nui have made less money?



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If that's greedy, then you are greedy for driving in a car to get somewhere far away fast, for wearing shoes so you can walk at a reasonable pace without cutting your feet, using silverware to better eat your food, using a telephone to avoid having to make a trip and speak, using a computer to type a forum post when you could walk personally to everybody's house and speak what you just said over and over and over again.... At least 2000 times to account for all the possible active BZP members, and preferably about five million times -- and you'd have to go door to door throughout the whole world to even figure out which people were Bionicle fans anyways before you started confusing monks in Tibet with strange words like "Kongu" and "Cordak". All within your own lifetime, regardless of whatever else you had wanted to do in your life.

And forget speech. You have to scratch out the message with your fingernails in stone. Then maybe you wouldn't be greedy. Maybe.



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Nobody would surprise me, so it's probably Makuta. But I went with Hydraxon, because he's a weapons master and it would make sense, no?


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Why didn't I think of that earlier?


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I don't just ask rhetorical questions -- I answer them.


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I knew you'd say that.


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You're a body with a head. So what?


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A simple conversion is not a business plan to actually get two radically different markets to behave as if they were the same.


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Um, hello? Are my posts invisible?


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Universe go poof.

We All Live In An

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I hate typing Roman numerals above three.


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I always find these topics funny -- everybody goes in circles, pointing to the exact same aspect of the set and going "See that? So it's obvious it's horrible! How can you not see that?", and then someone else saying, "See that? It's obvious it's awesome! How can you not see that?"


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Obviously, not everybody sees I to I.


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They have their uses -- like if you're making a MOC that's supposed to be a light green faceless humanoid.


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I hate it when I can't tell if someone's joking.


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Yes, that's an excuse to be lazy.


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Hold on just a second. I think you have things backwards. Mata Nui was not paradise -- it was a place of horror and war for a thousand years!


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Lol.


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I'm a logician. I can tell you that your argument does not merely sound illogical. It is.


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Yeah, that'd be bad. Next question?


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We'd still have wooden ducks, no plastic bricks, and definately no LEGO if change was prevented. Really, we wouldn't even have that.


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It is unfortunate that it's this way (at least for us). But it is. We might as well come to grips with it.


QUOTE
And I walk away in peace.


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You have no idea how many times I've read this style of opening to this kind of topic, man. I must admit I am very very tired of it.

*deeeeep breath*

*shakes head madly*

Okay, I'm good.


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My memory doesn't go back that far.


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If I didn't agree with something, I'd try to find out the reasons for it before doing anything else, which is something I think some people forget to do and instead they dig themselves a hole for no reason.


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Lol, I think you missed the point -- BR isn't going to think your forum deserves approval if he has to be told it exists.


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I'm a coolomaniac.


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But I like spam!
Wait...


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This is not a country. This is a website. Countries are led by governments. Websites are owned by owners. Countries are places you physically exist in, and may have difficulty leaving. Websites are places YOU choose to go. Countries are places you may be born in, or grow up in, etc.

BZPower is a place YOU sign an agreement in order to join. Blame cannot be placed on us when a member violates that agreement. And if a member chooses not to like that agreement anymore, they are free to leave at will. If a member violates the agreement they made with us, we are justified in punishing the member as agreed.


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I'm a logician -- I think in terms of what makes sense all the time. I don't just agree -- I know why I agree, and I think my reasons are pretty sound.


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If I'm breaking a rule, it's because I gave myself permission to allow myself an exception, thus I am not technically breaking it.


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[A]lthough Evil Lord Survurlode does seem to be making a bit of a comeback, just like Sauron, so we might have an epic war that will spawn a novel and three giant books of a trilogy soon... but yeah...


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I object to the wording of this question.


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Huzzah?

I'm A Doctor, Not A Great Being

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Ever had one of those moments where you think you just passed into an alternate timeline? This is one. ()_o


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Rants are based on pompous egos and desire to pick a fight. Not intelligence.


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The Monster on LOST is Makuta.


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Cynics are some of the most naive people on the planet. They hear someone claim things are bad, and they accept it without question.


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I'm a realist with an imagination.


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I blame Survurlode.


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You see a flamer, your response should not be to just flame him back -- you lower yourself to his level if you do.


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Let's open that can of worms, as unpleasant as it might be. [...] *I'm not afraid of you, worms!*


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"Transformation" can be as simple as a bomb rearranging a building into a debris field.


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Far better to be proven wrong than to be wrong without knowing it.


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I remember when I was a kid, and I was just playing around, I didn't know this stuff, so I said gas prices were five dollars at my play gas station.

My dad laughed, said gas would never be that expensive.


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Toa carrying rifles... as they ride their space shuttles into... Klingon territory...


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Kazi [ha]s Rahkshi staffs. (Oooh, Kazi=evil??)


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Take an election between two candidates. Obviously, both candidates will get votes. However, one will get more votes, and one will get less. You would be, in this example, voting for the one with less votes (Mr. Olderfanson). You see why the fact that you, one person, did vote for that guy, doesn't prove that he won the election? [...] "Mr. Newerfanson" won the election.


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o_O


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In general, I do enjoy debates--but I don't enjoy being flamed, no. Nor do I enjoy wasting time when I have tons of PMs I need to reply to and top secret reference projects to work on and all that responding to things that could have been cleared up with more thought before posting, heh. Debates can still get tedious when it seems (please note "seems"!) that a few people refuse to approach them with an open mind.


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<_<
>_>
<_>


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I didn't even spell "the" right.


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Lol. I never said I'm always right! Yeesh, what do I have to do to convince you guys I don't think that? Purposefully take wrong positions or something?


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Guess what? I could draw before I learned to write, but does that mean I should get all huffy and insulted at the fact that not everybody shares my particular talent? This is just absurd, isn't it? Did you honestly think that everybody has the same talents and gains proficiency at the same time?



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When someone much older than you was a kid, LEGO was wooden toys. [fogie teeth voice]"These newfangled plastic things are insulting! As if there isn't money to be made in good old fashioned woodblock toys!"[/fogie teeth voice]


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Can we sing kumbaya yet? Sing it! Koooooooo----oom---bah-----yaaaaaaaaahhhhhh.

Or something... Sing it! You don't even have to agree with me! Just sing it anyways, maaan!

Sing!


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Your mistake is that you are thinking in terms of a simplistic "formula" of strength, and thinking that can be used to predict everything. It can't--every situation is different, and sometimes a weak Matoran might catch a glimpse of a passing Rahkshi while a powerful "Toa Ultimaultrasuper" might get blasted to bits when the same Rahkshi actually attacks. You need to be realistic--think in terms of the situation. Stories are based on that--they are a "game of seconds and inches" where dangers both big and small can occur to both powerful and weak people, and how you perform depends on your brains and the time you have to prepare more than your actual power level.


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Why did the entirely robotic Bohrok need teeth? Someone explain how that is okay but teeth in Piraka isn't?


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Phew. Now, to post, and see if I maxed the text limit out.

Yabo! Hahaha!

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Thanks X. Thanks D. Thanks X and D. XD


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I lazy.


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You can make any innovation look bad if you point to the non-innovative ways (the old "normal" ways) and claim they must be followed blindly.


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But what I don't get about it is -- why the apparent desire to kill characters off for no reason? In real life you meet tons of people who you will never meet again, and they're not dead. Is that to you a problem? I don't get it -- you'd go insane if you tried to stay in touch with every random old lady that said hi when you were walking the dog...


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Yes, my post in this topic is product placement. So sue me.


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In addition, high gravity affects spacetime on a fundamental level, slowing time down and bending the spatial brane. Not to be confused with the spacious brain.


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It would create a field of electrogravimetry that would pull all nearby matter in and then make it explode. The explosion cloud would take the form of an anchovy.


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There's only a slim chance that we exist.


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I love taking myself out of context.


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I think it's admirable to be careful not to offend people where it makes sense. But at some point, you have to be willing to stand up for yourself and be confident enough that if someone comes at you with an unreasonable accusation, you don't take it.


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I think aliens invaded already and have fooled us into thinking they are mere animals who "meow".


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Good stories aren't puppet shows. They are tales of life, with realistic characters -- people -- living out their lives, with really minimal "guiding" by the author.


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Oh goody, a complainer to blast to oblivion.


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To begin with, I disagree strongly with pretending it is "killing off", rather than a serious story being told, with serious themes and life in the story. Characters aren't "killed off". They die.

I find this term somewhat offensive, because it implies the writer kills the character like a TV show host telling a contestant to leave. This is not a game show. It is the events of the storyline that kill the character. That term is merely a psychological shield to avoid the emotion of the moment in the story. IMO, that's a kind of immaturity.


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Um.


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You can't always get what you want "now now now". Your logic makes no sense -- if you want to know what's in the books, that means you support the books' existence. Yet you apparently want spoilers to go up the day it's out, so in the countries where it is bought, people could just read the spoilers and not buy the book, risking its sales going down and the books ending, and thus no more spoilers for you to read!


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Truth = Truth. And nothing else.


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I had spammed ten thousand times.


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A good comedy is a development, like a story, not a punchline. You start with a situation, and it goes in unexpected, funny ways, which leads into other twists, to a conclusion that often can be more serious than funny, avoiding random cliches and developing enough logic that it doesn't feel like you slapped random nonsense down. Comedies Forum has this bad rap of having a lot of Unfunny Stuff -- I think it's the temptation to write short punchlines drawing on typical one-liner cliches that causes this. The 300 word rule is a good basic start to avoiding that problem.


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Dude. My voting precint is a "23". ph34r.gif


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And what people are saying about randomosity is true -- I hope that it's not surprising that as a logician, I understand how to be funny (though I won't try in this post ). Logic isn't for Spock who refuses to smile -- you actually need logic in your comedy to make it funny. In my experience, a balance of logic and random nonsense helps -- even logic OF the random nonsense.


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I highly recommendate it.


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Another mistake a lot of people make is thinking a comedy must be 100% funny -- reality is that that tends to just overwhelm the reader and come off more as spam. If you look at my Survurlode interviews, for example, there is always at least one serious theme that the whole work revolves around. The serious aspects support the humorous, and vice versa.


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*strongly approves of the use of the term "bionical"*


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Well, my observation has always been the opposite -- more established official facts inspires MORE fan imagination -- at least with imaginative official facts. It was really only once the "gappists" starting complaining, in my observation as a 2003+ member here, about "tons of official facts" that I saw the fanfiction community here really explode with creativity.

Think about it -- imagination feuls imagination. Less imagination doesn't -- it starves imagination.

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How much wood would a woodwood wood if a woodwood would would wood?


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But my point related to that isn't that I literally think it should be FULLY sun-sized. I'm just saying, there's a whole range, from a little larger than Earth, to a LOT larger, to a TONTONZILLION larger, and it's all possible if the story team just feels like it.


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*imagines massive asteriod pulling out a pirate's telescope lol*


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GD is NOT for storyline-only discussion. That discussion belongs in S&T.


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S&T policies are designed for good reasons, tried, tested, and they work.


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Sure I'm sure -- it's Bionicle. Anything's possible.


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I never understand these claims -- how do you know what "proportionate" is for that character? He's a fictional character, made out of plastic LEGO parts.

So why get annoyed at it? When you look at a giraffe, do you get annoyed? It makes no sense to me to do so.

Besides, you're setting yourself up for it. Nobody ever told you these characters were supposed to be exactly human.

If you look at an ape, would you say it's done wrong, just because it resembles a human?


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I plan not to, but I guess if the site shut down I'd kinda have to, wouldn't I?


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...they usually give their jokes when they have the upper hand at the moment, though, or when they've just run into a frustrating difficulty that's not immediately dangerous, which are realistic IMO. When they're in immediate danger, I am not aware that they pause to crack jokes.


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I strongly disagree -- everybody capitalizes their name. It's cliche.

(I do not capitalize because 1) I hate being cliche, and 2) it is symbolic of humility.)


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I knew you'd say that.


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Seriously though, obviously the focus groups like silver, guys -- there's no mystery, those of you portraying it as odd that LEGO keeps using the color. This is how personal taste works -- it differs, and you're gonna find yourself in the minority sometimes. Best get used to it -- that's life.


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*lets self dp*


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I'm not a soldier, but I know that keeping your sense of humor alive even in dangerous or serious situations can be a huge boon to keeping your sanity.

He who forgets how to laugh forgets how to live.


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I heart silver. My favorite metallic. If I had my way, gold would be considered lesser than silver.


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The red eye thing is the closest thing you have to evidence, but I could argue that Berix is the traitor for spending time away from the villages, or Ackar is the traitor because his name sounds like Admiral Ackbar and there was a traitor in Star Wars called Darth Vader.


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Ultimately it comes down to this for me -- YOU choose to dissapointed or miserable.

If you expected the universe to be perfect, that was your choice, and really not very sensible of you.


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If I as a writer were to try to appeal to the attitude you express in your post, I would feel like I am constantly walking on eggshells. Everytime I had a cool idea how to use a character, or more importantly logic told me the character naturally would be involved in something, I would have to worry about whether I shouldn't do it as it might offend someone.

That's a miserable way to write, and I wouldn't wish that on the story team, myself, or anyone.


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But one thing. Everyone expects something when they do something.


Very true. For example, when I posted the above post, I expected somebody to reward me with this point, giving me an excuse to discuss it in a separate post so as to give it better focus.


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Therefore, the more "things to expect" from a "donation or whatever the heck you want to call it", the more likely we get mooooolaaaaaaaa. Therefore good.

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I don't see what the anology has to do with this. "Chevys" (or "Chevies") makes sense. Like "Keets" or Morby or my personal favorite for Makuta -- Terry Mack. "Biological Chronicles" referring to beings makes no sense. And as I typed this, a Chevy ad came on TV. They called it "Chevy." Seriously, exact same time.


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Oh my, you're completely irrelevant metaphor makes you look sooo intelligent.


This is obviously getting out of hand, so I guess I have to close it. Also, you failed to answer my question. When a moderator asks you a question, answer it. Capisce? wink.gif

Please do not attack people like that. That is flaming, or at best trolling, both of which are not allowed.


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No matter how you slice it, sending in that money is NOT just buying proto. Even if proto is all they want, they're still buying YOUR right to be on here for free. Yall should be grateful.

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