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Eight Years Of Toa Mata?

Posted by bonesiii , Aug 22 2008 · 294 views

Bionicle


Tahu held up his new magma blades and frowned at them. The energized protodermis had changed his old firesword, just when he was beginning to feel confident with its use. It had changed his mask power, just when he'd gotten the hang of all his powers. He wore new armor. His elemental power was changed, its source now coming from a strange symbol on the Suva.

The changes affected his emotions. He felt unstable -- as if everything he thought was dependable had been crushed. He sensed a vague threat hidden below the surface that could now harm him in a new way. Why had this happened?

Because a transformation is needed for the next stage of my destiny, he realized. The protodermis had given him that insight. It was the fate of a hero to be transformed many times in the course of the quest, to adapt to new challenges.

Could he ever hope to have true confidence, if this was his future?

He didn't know, and judging from the faces of the other Toa, they didn't either. One thing consoled him, though -- destiny had given them what they needed to meet their next challenge, whatever it would be. They just had to be strong enough and thoughtful enough to figure out how. As team leader, he needed to set an example, to show the others that the changes must be embraced if they were to be used for the good of the Matoran.

Fighting aside his conflicting emotions, Tahu held up one magma blade and shouted, "Now we are no longer just Toa! We are Toa Nuva!"





Toa Nuhrii: Toa of Sugar has an interesting topic going: Should The Focus Of The Story Ever Have Switched From The Toa Nuva[?]. A lot of people have made bold claims that we would have been bored if the focus had remained on the Toa Nuva. I disagreed, pointing out that if there were cool sets and story each year, overall we still would have loved it. smile.gif

So I wrote up an alternative history of Bionicle, with the Toa Nuva as canister sets and in the story spotlight every single year. Figured I might as well use this for today's blog entry. tongue.gif This alternative storyline history goes on the premise that "sets come first, story is made up afterwards" -- every single set would still be released as it was in reality, just with different names sometimes.




2003 -- Get rid of the "no more Nuva transformations" rule. tongue.gif Don't have Tahu say "from now on" they're the Nuva -- instead, say the Toa have discovered that transformation is a necessary part of adapting to new threats in the Bionicle universe for heroes.

2004 -- We find out that the Toa Mata were active just a thousand years earlier in Metru Nui. The Toa Metru sets are their original forms, but they were mutated by the canisters into their 2001 forms. (That last bit we actually thought was true at the time, remember, and it wouldn't even have broken the "No transformation after Nuva rule because it's a flashback) Tell the same basic story, except without Matoran transforming into Toa. Also, they might have been very different people back then, less experienced, etc., so their personal conflicts could have been quite different, so as not to be repetitive in the character development department.

2005 -- The Visorak explanation used on the Toa Mata. The Toa Hagah could have become the Turaga. The Rahaga could have been different creatures entirely, or been connected, etc. Tahu could have turned evil -- perhaps the lesson he subconsciously remembered from this would explain how he was able to pull off a krana later (instead of the current explanation that it simply wasn't on long enough), and why he was so tempermental at first on Mata Nui.

2006 -- The Toa Nuva are struck by lightning to become the Toa Inika, possibly getting new mask powers through this, or better yet through passing through Karzahni. Same basic storyline, except without Jaller and company's side of it. The Nuva struggle in new ways. Tahu could have demonstrated that he really has learned to control his temper and be a good team leader, acting much like Jaller. Others could have had new doubts awakened by the stories the Turaga told of the Nuva's ancient adventures, or by facing threats more intelligent than any previous villain other than Makuta, or even by frustration that they were failing Mata Nui so much he is now dying.

2007 -- The Ignika transforms them into the Mahri, and that whole storyline goes through. I suppose we do hit a snag here in that Matoro's death wouldn't work very well. But perhaps Lesovikk could have been the one to do it and could have had a more central role in the storyline. He could have been an old character, such as Kongu, in fact.

2008 -- Same basic storyline as we have, but the Nuva are transformed back from Mahri to Nuva by Lesovikk/Kongu while he used the Ignika at end of 2007, then given adaptive armor. End Nuva chapter, focus on new heroes in 2009.




Kopaka had mixed feelings about what he saw in front of him. The strange Matoran had taken the Toa Nuva to a hidden chamber in Karzahni's lair. Six silver canisters stood waiting for them. All they had to do was get in, and the strange vehicles would tunnel through rock and fly into the air, eventually landing on Voya Nui's shores. Easy, right?

Except, Kopaka remembered all to well the last time he'd gotten into a silver canister. The memory had only returned after he came back to Metru Nui a few days ago, but the elders of Mata Nui Island, the six Turaga, had told the tale in vivid words.

As Toa Metru, Tahu, Kopaka, Pohatu, Gali, Onua, and Lewa had fought Makuta as he plotted the final stages in his overthrowing of the Great Spirit Mata Nui. The thousand Matoran had been placed into hybernation pods and trapped by the evil Visorak spiders. The Toa Metru had been mutated by the spiders into monstrous beasts. Six strange creatures had joined them. Their leader, Rahaga Vakama, had explained what Hordika venom did, and how they believed it could be reversed.

After a harrowing adventure, a creature named Keetongu had been found and restored them all to their original forms. The Toa Hordika became the Toa Metru again, and the Rahaga became the Toa Hagah. But the City of Legends was ruined, the Matoran were still in slumber, Makuta was free again, and the forces of good needed somewhere safe where they could regroup and recover.

Turaga Dume, the leader of Metru Nui, had led them underground on Metru Nui to a chamber with six silver canisters. He had explained what the canisters would do. Since there were only six canisters, the Toa Hagah had agreed to transport the Matoran pods up to a special island on the planet's surface. Dume revealed that the Nuva had a destiny on that island, involving buglike robots called Bohrok, who must be released after the Nuva had vanquished Makuta.

On this new island, Makuta would attack, but he would be in a strange area with more elemental influence than anywhere else, where the Nuva would have a bigger advantage than elsewhere. It was the perfect stage for the final showdown in the Nuva's quest to undo Makuta's attack on the Great Spirit.

But the canisters malfunctioned.

They tunneled up through the rock just fine. They landed in the surface ocean just fine. No problem. But the devices that were supposed to steer the pods to land never switched on. The Toa Metru were kept alive thanks to the pod's hybernation function, but for over a thousand years they drifted, their muscle tissue degenerating, their forms weakening, their memories being slowly eroded.

The Toa Hagah despaired when the Nuva failed to show up. But knowing Makuta had only agreed to give them one year of peace, they quickly set about trying to figure out how to awaken the Matoran. Every attempt failed, until Toa Vakama realized they would have to sacrifice their powers. They hid Toa stones, hoping that one day six Matoran would become new Toa, then they became Turaga. The Matoran had lost their memories, and the Turaga decided not to burden them with knowledge of their past. Instead they developed simple legends that covered up the secrets of Metru Nui with riddles and symbolic imagery.

Then for a thousand years, the six villages undured constant war with Makuta's evil infected Rahi beasts.

In the end, the adventurous Matoran named Takua had found a way to use the Toa Stones to summon the Toa's canisters. Battles raged, and eventually, with help from Takua in the new form of Takanuva, Toa of Light, Makuta had been defeated, and the Matoran returned to Metru Nui. But Kopaka had vowed never to enter such a craft again.

Now, with the monstrous titan Karzahni chasing them, trapped in this horrific land, the only other passageway to Voya Nui blocked by huge mountains and dangerous Manas crabs, these six silver canisters provided a way out.

"Come," Tahu said grimly. "We have to try it."

One by one the Toa Nuva stepped inside the canisters. Kopaka held back, still hesitant. He glanced back at Karzahni with the Mask of Vision -- he was coming around the last bend in the tunnel to this place. He closed his eyes, fighting to make a decision. Then he remembered his first sight on Mata Nui, when he broke out of the last canister. The icy shore had harbored hints of danger, but he had felt like it was his destiny to fight the danger nevertheless, doing whatever it took.

If this is what it took now, so be it. Kopaka stepped into the canister.





The main upside of having the Nuva in story spotlight for seven years would have been that the story might have felt more coherent. The explanations of who came from where and their transformations, etc. would have been a lot simpler with something like the above than how it actually was. The explanations would have fit a little more into the pattern of clues given in 2001-2003.

The main downside would be that we wouldn't get to see other characters get as much focus. So coherence could also be seen as being too limited -- fitting better into the clues could be seen as being predictable. This is why IMO it didn't have to be done. Either way, I think the great storytelling skills of Greg and the story team would have entertained us. By which I mean most people, of course -- some people would simply always like it one way or the other better. But that aside, there would be a few opportunities for other characters to be featured, like new titan characters like Axonn, or the following example of an old returning character:




Kongu peeked around the Metru Nui skyscraper, following Takanuva's outstretched hand. The Toa of Light had recently returned to the island after he failed to pass through a passageway to the land of Karzahni with the Toa Nuva, on their way south to the mysterious island of Voya Nui. There had been no sign of the Nuva since, and Kongu was determined to find out why.

Turaga Dume had insisted no Matoran was to leave the city, but Kongu was tired of listening to him. The old elder of fire had been deeply affected by the dimming stars over the night sky. Mata Nui was dying, and the Toa Nuva had failed, he proclaimed. The universe was doomed. There was no point in trying to stop it now -- all that was left was to wait to die, and hope death came swiftly and painlessly.

Toa Takanuva and Turaga Nokama had secretly agreed otherwise, however. Kongu had given the Turaga of water an ultimatum -- give him a way to leave, or he would find a way on his own.

Nokama had sensed a presence in Metru Nui. A hidden threat. One that was new to her, and yet all too familiar. A Dark Hunter.

Takanuva had been searching the city for signs of this threat for days now. Finally, he had found something. A parked vehicle. A hovering bike craft, hidden amongst the trees in Ga-Metru. This secretive Dark Hunter must have been using it to report back to the Shadowed One from time to time. Preventing him from doing so again would be in the best interests of the city. So Nokama agreed to unmask two infected Gukko with one disk, figuratively speaking.

They knew of no other way to get to Voya Nui other than the passage through Karzahni, so Takanuva would again be forced to remain behind. Which was fine, because the city would need protection from this hidden Dark Hunter.

"It reminds me of my old Ussanui craft," Takanuva said, grinning. Then he looked more serious. "The coast is clear. It's time. May the three Virtues guide you, Captain."

The Le-Matoran was too overwhelmed with the enormity of what he was about to do to answer. So he just gave Takanuva a bow, and walked away.

As he climbed onto the craft and flew away over the Silver Sea, into Karzahni's realm, and over the far mountains of that realm, he wondered if he would ever see his old friend again.

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Toa Takanuva walked along Metru Nui's paths slowly, his mind in turmoil. The city was celebrating -- Mata Nui had been revived. The Toa Nuva had appeared inside the city just before Tahu Mahri was about to go nova to defeat the evil Barraki warlords. They'd been turned back into the Nuva, and just left with a mysterious stranger to continue their quest to awaken the Great Spirit. Things were looking good now, but Takanuva could not join the celebration.

For Toa Kongu had given his life to save the Great Spirit. The Mask of Life had turned Kongu into pure energy, killing him, but reviving Mata Nui. The stars in the sky now shone because a good friend was no more.

How could he come to grips with this? What kind of Great Spirit demanded death to survive?

He shook his head. But no, such thoughts belonged to twisted beings like Makuta, who caused Mata Nui to die in the first place. It would mean that Kongu died for nothing, something Takanuva could not accept.

He took a deep breath. That thought gave him some measure of peace. He couldn't celebrate just yet, but at least he could accept what happened.

He himself had faced that choice, and died to defeat Makuta not that long ago, though he had been revived by the power of a mysterious circle of light. But Takanuva had believed at the time that he would be revived -- he'd been part of the process that revived his friend Jaller just seconds before, and knew about the circle of light -- but Kongu had known he could never be revived.

Takanuva wasn't sure if he would have been able to make Kongu's choice, though he suspected others who had been leaders among the Matoran, such as Matoro or Jaller, could have made it. It showed him the true measure of Kongu's worth.

These thoughts occupied Takanuva so much, he didn't see the Shadow Leech until it was too late.



Cue 2008 to go on mostly as it already has. smile.gif I think I would have enjoyed Bionicle just as much if it had been this way. I think I would have enjoyed it either way. I don't think we can say "it would have been boring" -- Greg would have made sure it wasn't, at least for most of us. Most of the claims of that in the topic are just brushing it aside with unrealistic claims that oversimplify and give the story team enough credit for their imaginations.

But I also don't think we can say there was any true problem with the way it was done -- in each case, the connections made sense, and it was all centered around the story of Mata Nui's slumber and Makuta's plots and actions that caused it, and heroes fighting for the sake of Mata Nui and the Matoran.

Good storytellers can tell good stories in any number of "random" combinations -- Greg is a good storyteller. smile.gif When you really devote yourself to writing complex series' like Bionicle (as I have, though I'm just a beginner tongue.gif), you quickly realize that most of the details you use are essentially random. But you have to pick something and run with it -- doesn't mean that is necessarily "the best way". Ultimately, it wouldn't really matter either way to most of us.



Well, that's all I'm writing for this entry. I hope you enjoyed it. smile.gif

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Shadow Kurahk
Aug 21 2008 01:05 PM
That was loooooooooooooooooooooooooooong.

Where do you get the time to write these things? ohmy.gif
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Oh, I'd love to see people's reactions to that… >_>
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King of Mandalorians
Aug 21 2008 02:01 PM
You know my marrow-y comrade, there are have been times in the past when we have had differences of opinion but you have really hit the nail on the head with this one. Not only do I agree with everything you said, I actually think I would have liked this way 'better' then the way that they have done it. Get to really have a feel for the main characters and become attached to them in ways that just can't happen in such a short amount of time that they have been main characters. Not to mention the fact that the Nuva have been my absoute favorite character since day one and I personally think that this version of the story is even better then the current one.

Kudos to you bonesiii, kudos to you.
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I would've quite liked that, as long as they looked at least vaguely recognisable each time.
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~ShadowBolt~
Aug 21 2008 03:34 PM
QUOTE(Seranikai @ Aug 21 2008, 03:35 PM)
I would've quite liked that, as long as they looked at least vaguely recognisable each time.


Seran brings up a good point Bonesiii. If Lego were to do that, that would be one of their top priorities. wink.gif

It's an interesting idea you have, but there's bound to be issues with weapons, armor changes (too many and there's going to be problems), story details, if Lego did that. Well the last one isn't a problem for them, it's your biggest issue. Where do Dark Hunters come in? Where do you add in the Brotherhood? Do you plan on making the Inika look a bit different so they look more "Nuva"? Etc...

Same with Lego.

Personally, I think variety in characters is important in storyline and what Lego did in 2004 and 2004 was pretty smart because they introduced various storyline aspect and background on minor characters in the years before... Also, story from different points of view is incredibly important IMO.

~SB~
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QUOTE(~Shadow Kurahk~ @ Aug 21 2008, 02:05 PM)
That was loooooooooooooooooooooooooooong.

Where do you get the time to write these things? ohmy.gif

I slapped it together in just about twenty minutes, man. tongue.gif (If I'd spent longer on it there would have been less summary, BTW, lol.)

QUOTE(King of Everything @ Aug 21 2008, 03:01 PM)
You know my marrow-y comrade, there are have been times in the past when we have had differences of opinion but you have really hit the nail on the head with this one. Not only do I agree with everything you said, I actually think I would have liked this way 'better' then the way that they have done it. Get to really have a feel for the main characters and become attached to them in ways that just can't happen in such a short amount of time that they have been main characters. Not to mention the fact that the Nuva have been my absoute favorite character since day one and I personally think that this version of the story is even better then the current one.

Kudos to you bonesiii, kudos to you.

Yanno, more I think about it, I think I would have liked it better too. XD

Although there were a lot of good points about the way it was done. So whatever. And we don't have time machines, heh.

QUOTE(Seranikai @ Aug 21 2008, 03:35 PM)
I would've quite liked that, as long as they looked at least vaguely recognisable each time.

Well, I was talking about the sets being the same. tongue.gif One thing that would help, though -- say the Toa Metru Nuva did have different masks, but got their 2001 ones from Turaga Dume before getting in the canisters. Stuff like that could explain differences. But anyways, I suppose if it had been planned that way, they could have made them more recognizeable. shrugs.gif

QUOTE(~ShadowBolt~ @ Aug 21 2008, 04:34 PM)
QUOTE(Seranikai @ Aug 21 2008, 03:35 PM)
I would've quite liked that, as long as they looked at least vaguely recognisable each time.

Seran brings up a good point Bonesiii. If Lego were to do that, that would be one of their top priorities. wink.gif

It's an interesting idea you have, but there's bound to be issues with weapons, armor changes (too many and there's going to be problems), story details, if Lego did that. Well the last one isn't a problem for them, it's your biggest issue. Where do Dark Hunters come in? Where do you add in the Brotherhood? Do you plan on making the Inika look a bit different so they look more "Nuva"? Etc...

These sorts of small details have to be established in any story, no matter how you do it. wink.gif They were established for the way it was done, just as they would have to be established if it was different. So I don't see how that's a relevant point. But in order of your questions:

1) Weapons -- why would that be hard to explain? They could have gotten both new weapons and masks when they got in the canisters. Or the canisters could have had transforming power, etc.

2) Armor -- that's not a problem at all, really. Look at the differences between the Nuva and Newva, and that's just with "adaptive armor" explanation. Look at Metru/Hordika, etc. Besides, the set forms are more representations than exactly accurate to storyline forms anyways, so the exact details of the armor aren't important storywise.

3) Dark Hunters -- I wouldn't change the DH involvement at all.

4) Same answer for Brotherhood, basically. A few minor changes to their involvement in the past with certain characters is all that would have to change. In fact, this way, the Toa Hagah would be Turaga Vakama and co, who stole the Mask of Light -- it would actually be more coherent that way too. smile.gif

5) For this entry, I was talking about the sets not being changed at all. So Inika would just have different names -- Tahu Inika, etc with new mask powers and changed by the lightning.


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Same with Lego.

Personally, I think variety in characters is important in storyline and what Lego did in 2004 and 2004 was pretty smart because they introduced various storyline aspect and background on minor characters in the years before... Also, story from different points of view is incredibly important IMO.

~SB~

I think both variety in characters and coherence with small numbers of characters can both be important. This is why I say it really could go either way. Now, you probably just prefer a wider variety of characters, which would be a preference that likely wouldn't change. Meaning you probably wouldn't like it this way as much either way. tongue.gif But really, would most fans care about that? I highly doubt it.
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I think 2004-2005 should be kept the same. Simply make the Mata have cameo would of been better. I loved the Toa Metru. It doesn't seem Mata like there. Maybe have a special edition set of a Mata along with Lhikan, instead of Lhikan and a Kiljano, Lhikan and..Tahu. Tahu just passing by, as part of training, and how to deal if the team has to split up. Doesn't stay long enough to see the corruption that had happened.

05 could just had flash back with Onua along with Hagah, with him unwittingly helping them

06, Flash Back of Kopaka doing something related to the Shakdi

07 Gali somehow ends up from away from her blog, having a different Toa write it, and very shortly helps out the Mahri, in set of Armor designed to help her breathe underwater. (so she doesn't have to be constantly using her Kaukau, concentration takes a lot out of you)

08, Different forms of Pohatu and Lewa fill the rest out of the team.
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Jenny Quantum
Aug 22 2008 01:02 AM
QUOTE(~Shadow Kurahk~ @ Aug 21 2008, 10:05 AM)
That was loooooooooooooooooooooooooooong.

Where do you get the time to write these things? ohmy.gif

The Hon. bonesiii does not write these. He instead beats the ***** out if the keyboard until it magically creates what he wants.

* Sensoring intentional.

~EW~
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Danska: Shadow Master
Aug 22 2008 06:03 PM
I think I would have preferred that. Given the importance of the Nuva's quest, and that they're basically the most important Toa team in the universe, I could have accepted their need to transform without complaint (at least, I say that now). After all, they're trying to reawaken the most powerful being in the universe who is essential to the universe's well being against the wishes of the Brotherhood - arguably the most powerful organisation in the universe. A lot for any team of Toa to handle without a few tweaks and modifications along the way.

The only real problem I can see is that Vakama could no longer stand up and pronounce "you are not the first Toa!" with so much authority. "You are not the first Toa - but are still the most important Toa in the story I'm about to tell you" doesn't quite have the same ring to it. tongue.gif
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King of Mandalorians
Aug 22 2008 08:16 PM
QUOTE(Danska: Shadow Master @ Aug 22 2008, 04:03 PM)
The only real problem I can see is that Vakama could no longer stand up and pronounce "you are not the first Toa!" with so much authority. "You are not the first Toa - but are still the most important Toa in the story I'm about to tell you" doesn't quite have the same ring to it. tongue.gif

How bout' "Though you may not remember it, this is not your first adventure!"
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To explain the transformations, you could say that they had adaptive armor from the start, although the changes in the mask powers would be a little awkward. But still, interesting idea. You certainly came up with a good and plausible idea for the whole storyline to this date.

Still, I like the fact that there are more than just the 6 good old heroes, since there have been so many bad guys. tongue.gif

~B~
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"Killeth them with kindness. That's what my mother taught me. So I figured, instead of trying to fight Brave Knight Binkmeister's attempt to overthrow me... I would instead give him the one thing he loves most. Bubble Wrap. Not only him, but all of his followers. BZP members once knew me as their common enemy. But now... am I just a kind old man who has free Bubble Wrap?"

--Evil Lord Survurlode


"Why in the world am I calling him Brave Knight Binkmeister?! That term sounds... nice. It makes him sound like a hero! NO!!! He's my enemy! No, no, henceforth he shalt be known as 'Cowardly Scum Binkmeister'!"

--Evil Lord Survurlode


"Yes, my new minion, you now see the dastardly plans BZP members have--they seek to avoid my floods by getting on in the morning or the late evening, or worse, the nighttime. Sauron might have been a sleepless creature of the night, but personally I can't stand coffee. But not to worry! You, my friend, will go out and enslave the members. You will sit enthroned on their shelves, hung from their walls like a cursed mark, and wrapped around their wrists like handcuffs. Even they shalt know the constraints of time! Behold, the Evil Clock!"

--Evil Lord Survurlode


"What is that you sayeth, Evil Clock? BZPower is now five long years old? So what? I am thousands upon thousands of years old! I am, in fact, as old as the ocean that I command with my floods! I am even older than clocks like you! What's that? Yeah, yeah, but I just don't feel like AARP is for me..."

--Evil Lord Survurlode


"What do you mean, I'm not speaking in proper Old English? I am Lord Survurlode. If I say this is Old English, it iseth!"

--Evil Lord Survurlode


"What doth mine eyes spyeth? I see-eth a member attempting to posteth! No! I shalt not alloweth it! Rise, ye Floodes! Riseth! ...What? No, I ameth noteth tryingeth hardereth to speaketh Oldeth Englisheth! Ye Silly Clocke!"

--Evil Lord Survurlode


"No, I am NOT an April Fool's Joke! Just because my power increases tenfold on that day doesn't mean my existence depends on it."

--Evil Lord Survurlode


"Frodo? Why would I be scared of him? He sailed off to the West--it means he died, yo! Besides, the One Refresh cannot be melted in some volcano. It would take a... No, wait... Sorry, that information is classified. Muahahahaha!"

--Evil Lord Suvurlode


"The term 'Yo' can be Old English! Yeesh!"

--Evil Lord Survurlode


"See, my problem is that I am far older than Old English. To me it's that newfangled slang those Anglo-Saxon types speak. You'll forgive me if I get it confused with the five million different versions that came out since then. Yes, you will. Or else."

--Evil Lord Survurlode


"..."

--Evil Lord Survurlode's
Kopeke Impression


"What do you mean, it's really 'Mount Doomah?!'"

--Evil Lord Survurlode


"You are getting veeery sleepy. You need more Bubble Wrap. That's right, little member. Wallow in bubble wrap forever. Say it with me now. 'Must. Have. More.'"

--Evil Lord Survurlode


"Brave Knight--I mean, Cowardly Sponge Binkmeister has attempted to attacketh me once again! But lo, I am-- What? Sponge? Is that what I said? I meant Scum. Brave Scum Binkmeister-- What now? Oh, be quiet, minion."

--Evil Lord Survurlode


"No, I am not a girl!"

--Evil Lord Survurlode,
on his power over water


"Muahahahahahahahaha*cough* *hack* *gurgle* ..... *ahem* Must remember to watch the evil laugh when the floodwaters get that high..."

--Evil Lord Survurlode


"Oh, that's an easy question. See, Sauron's One Telephone Ring looked like a metal ring, right? Well, the One Refresh looks like a ring made out of those green arrows... like on that refresh button up there. Wait... why am I telling you this?!"

--Evil Lord Survurlode,
in a BZP interview


"No, I do not get rusty! This is Stainless Steel! What? Yes, yes! They had stainless steel thousands of years ago. Yeesh."

--Evil Lord Survurlode

Gallery Of Explosions

Because explosions are the answer.





























Profundities

"While it's all well and good for someone to turn the other cheek in daily life, in times of great hardship another thought comes to mind instead; namely that one cannot turn a blind eye to the actions of evil and still call himself good."
---Nako



"This is a discussion forum for a reason; it's a place where opinions can be discussed and debated civilly, not where one person can claim their opinion as fact and all others as "just opinions." Every person should, however, support their opinions with facts and evidence of all kinds."




"'The challenge of being a Biological chronicler is understanding why Lego are using another method to sell better. It gets boring using the same ones all the time. Variety is the spice of selling, after all.'
— A Biological chronicler"



"I could convince a thousand people that the moon is made of cheese... and yet it would remain as rocky as ever."



"This is simple, people! If it hurts to hit yourself with a hammer, then don't do it!"



"A famous drummer sits down to do a drum solo, but he has to keep his solo up for five minutes. Does he do all his amazing stuff first? no! If he did that, he would loose all attention because the end would be so boring. If he were smart, he would start out with something simple, and then add to its complexity as he goes along, so that more people would be into it.

The point is, writing either a drum solo, or is like a mountain, the bigger the base, the higher it can get, and the more amazing it is. Think about it, when building a mountain of dirt or sand, you need to slowly create your huge base, then as you build towards the peak things get faster and easier to pile on. The High points are where the story is fast paced and we are reaching the climax--what we just left on the last mountain of story we had (the MU story arch), and now Greg is building a new story mountain for us."

Gallery Of Galaxies

~through the macroscope~































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Least Favorite Edit Of Your Least Favorite Post On Your Most Favorite Day Of The Month?


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Secret Info: The Red Star is Tahu's mobile space mansion, complete with servants.


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Join the petiton for ban bad grammer toady!


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9009 Ways To Say "I Heart Spam"


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92% of all teenagers claim they're in the 8% that hasn't moved on to rap.
If you are part of the 0% that still uses real math, copy and paste this into your sig.


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What Is Your Alter-Ego's Imaginary Friend's Least Favorite Pet Collar?

Certificates Of Approval

Various award imagery and suchnot:






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The above earned twice.




















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Logic is the key.


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I am insane. I know that I am insane. In fact, I know that I am so insane, that I am incapable of realizing that I am insane. Therefore, I know that I am not insane.


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Forgetting things since.... umm....


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Creativity should not be confused with nuclear weapons.


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I heart logic.


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Only dead things do not change. Much.


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Pay attention now. Repeat after me. "Bones. Can. Be. Wrong."


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The problem is, "Tradition for tradition's sake" is like flying blind in an airplane. It's like saying as you approach a mountain "But we've always flown in this direction before... why would we change direction? It isn't the tradition!"


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Remember that -- clever absurdity, designed to harmonize with certain tastes, is the key to originality.


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Ironicles.


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People are like snowflakes. No two are the same.


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Yes, the Toa will win somehow. But let me give you a challenge. Write a story. In which the good guys win, or the bad guys win, doesn't matter. But write it with only introducing the challenges that the winner must overcome, and avoid showing how the winner wins. Just set up the problem, then skip to the end:

"In the end, this character wins, somehow."

Now, do you think this is a successful format for a story, that anybody would really want to read? [...] Readers demand that you as writer have thought through the "how" of the story.


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Where is this idea coming from?


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Makutarahk


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[L]et's not mince words here -- all LEGO products are toys. It's a toy company, in the toy business. There's nothing wrong with that.


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[A] wise Daoist once said that a name is merely a label. If a person calls me a "nerd", then that is their label for me. If a person calls me a "human", that is a label. If they call me "bonesiii", that is a label. I would simply reply that, if "nerd" is the term they wish to apply to me, like "human", then so be it -- I would thus be proud of that label, because I am proud of who I am.


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I'm not telepathic.


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I don't know if this is just the way I'm wired, but I don't really think like "hey, wanna be my friend?" I just be myself, treat others with respect and friendliness, and those who would make good friends just sorta show up. And I really don't think like "well, you're not my friend, you are, you aren't" etc. Anybody can be my friend.


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*revives topic, only to kill it seconds later*


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My two pieces of eight.


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Ha ha! Voriki myth still isn't dead? It's been so long since the constant flow of these topics stopped I guess I thought Voriki had finally kicked the bucket. Well, I hate to put another nail in the old guy's coffin, but...

Topic closed.

I Heart Logic

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Ahhhhh, the sweet smell of complaint topics in July!


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I think Evil Lord Survurlode is out to get me.


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Bionicle doesn't revolve around ANY one fan. Not even you.


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Bionicle does NOT age with its fans.


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If something absolutely has to be done for the greater good, it is by definition NOT evil.


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Think, guys, think! You have brains! Use them!


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Logic is not some meaningless buzzword you can throw around like pie, at least not as long as I, an actual logician, am here.


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Common myth. The answer is: "Yes, if you are an ancient Greek."


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Last I checked, most of us aren't ancient Greeks. tongue.gif Some of us are ancient Geeks, but...


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Besides, show me a brown rock, and I'll use your logic on you. "That's not a rock, it's hardened lava."


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The best symbol of stone would be gray. But it would probably sell almost as bad as brown -- LEGO needed a "flashy" color, more like what Ta, Ga, and Le Toa have.


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Do not insult cheese.


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Omi's right.


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Forty-two.

(Four eight fifteen sixteen twenty-three... *ahem*)


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Logic! Why don't they teach logic in these schools?


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Can you imagine MNOG ending with the Turaga and Matoran executing Ahkmou?


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So here's the question: If LEGO working harder by listening to fans is "lazy", then wouldn't they be "lazy" if they listened to you -- a fan?


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You don't need to hate to say it.


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Four extra letters. "Bionicle sets." How hard is that?

Actually, three extra letters since the s just moves.


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If they are "Bionicles", then you are "History".


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BZPers are often the exception, not the rule.

::celestial_drink::

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Of course it's cruel -- did you think bad guys were Mother Teresa?


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It isn't like I hide it, but it also isn't like I go up to random students at college at say "Hey, I like Bionicle, isn't that something?!"


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One man's junk is another man's treasure.


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I had the same theory in ages past, and Greg personally disproved it.


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The thing can destroy time, man. You guard those kinda things.


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Brevity is the soul.


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Which I suppose is a fancy way of saying, "I have no idea."


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I attack my own theories. I'm weird like that.


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If only books could be updated like web pages.


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Bionicle was supposedly a betrayal of everything LEGO stands for, its pieces far too clunky, a horrible turn away from the more "intelligent" Technic and a total stabbing in the back of the good old brick, an insult to AFOLS, evidence of a mythical trend away from the construction toy, far too violent, etc.


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It's really pretty simple:

Gadunka is one of the "coolest" sets ever. Most inventive, most unusual, most striking. Thus, he is horrible.


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Of course they're weird. All Bionicle names are supposed to be weird. Show me the Bionicle name that is "normal".


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You just completely contradicted yourself. If Mata Nui was working out great, then wouldn't Metru Nui have made less money?



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If that's greedy, then you are greedy for driving in a car to get somewhere far away fast, for wearing shoes so you can walk at a reasonable pace without cutting your feet, using silverware to better eat your food, using a telephone to avoid having to make a trip and speak, using a computer to type a forum post when you could walk personally to everybody's house and speak what you just said over and over and over again.... At least 2000 times to account for all the possible active BZP members, and preferably about five million times -- and you'd have to go door to door throughout the whole world to even figure out which people were Bionicle fans anyways before you started confusing monks in Tibet with strange words like "Kongu" and "Cordak". All within your own lifetime, regardless of whatever else you had wanted to do in your life.

And forget speech. You have to scratch out the message with your fingernails in stone. Then maybe you wouldn't be greedy. Maybe.



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Nobody would surprise me, so it's probably Makuta. But I went with Hydraxon, because he's a weapons master and it would make sense, no?


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Why didn't I think of that earlier?


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I don't just ask rhetorical questions -- I answer them.


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I knew you'd say that.


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You're a body with a head. So what?


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A simple conversion is not a business plan to actually get two radically different markets to behave as if they were the same.


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Um, hello? Are my posts invisible?


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Universe go poof.

We All Live In An

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I hate typing Roman numerals above three.


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I always find these topics funny -- everybody goes in circles, pointing to the exact same aspect of the set and going "See that? So it's obvious it's horrible! How can you not see that?", and then someone else saying, "See that? It's obvious it's awesome! How can you not see that?"


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Obviously, not everybody sees I to I.


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They have their uses -- like if you're making a MOC that's supposed to be a light green faceless humanoid.


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I hate it when I can't tell if someone's joking.


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Yes, that's an excuse to be lazy.


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Hold on just a second. I think you have things backwards. Mata Nui was not paradise -- it was a place of horror and war for a thousand years!


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Lol.


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I'm a logician. I can tell you that your argument does not merely sound illogical. It is.


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Yeah, that'd be bad. Next question?


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We'd still have wooden ducks, no plastic bricks, and definately no LEGO if change was prevented. Really, we wouldn't even have that.


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It is unfortunate that it's this way (at least for us). But it is. We might as well come to grips with it.


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And I walk away in peace.


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You have no idea how many times I've read this style of opening to this kind of topic, man. I must admit I am very very tired of it.

*deeeeep breath*

*shakes head madly*

Okay, I'm good.


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My memory doesn't go back that far.


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If I didn't agree with something, I'd try to find out the reasons for it before doing anything else, which is something I think some people forget to do and instead they dig themselves a hole for no reason.


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Lol, I think you missed the point -- BR isn't going to think your forum deserves approval if he has to be told it exists.


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I'm a coolomaniac.


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But I like spam!
Wait...


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This is not a country. This is a website. Countries are led by governments. Websites are owned by owners. Countries are places you physically exist in, and may have difficulty leaving. Websites are places YOU choose to go. Countries are places you may be born in, or grow up in, etc.

BZPower is a place YOU sign an agreement in order to join. Blame cannot be placed on us when a member violates that agreement. And if a member chooses not to like that agreement anymore, they are free to leave at will. If a member violates the agreement they made with us, we are justified in punishing the member as agreed.


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I'm a logician -- I think in terms of what makes sense all the time. I don't just agree -- I know why I agree, and I think my reasons are pretty sound.


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If I'm breaking a rule, it's because I gave myself permission to allow myself an exception, thus I am not technically breaking it.


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[A]lthough Evil Lord Survurlode does seem to be making a bit of a comeback, just like Sauron, so we might have an epic war that will spawn a novel and three giant books of a trilogy soon... but yeah...


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I object to the wording of this question.


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Huzzah?

I'm A Doctor, Not A Great Being

_bonesquotes #whatever

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Ever had one of those moments where you think you just passed into an alternate timeline? This is one. ()_o


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Rants are based on pompous egos and desire to pick a fight. Not intelligence.


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The Monster on LOST is Makuta.


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Cynics are some of the most naive people on the planet. They hear someone claim things are bad, and they accept it without question.


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I'm a realist with an imagination.


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I blame Survurlode.


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You see a flamer, your response should not be to just flame him back -- you lower yourself to his level if you do.


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Let's open that can of worms, as unpleasant as it might be. [...] *I'm not afraid of you, worms!*


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"Transformation" can be as simple as a bomb rearranging a building into a debris field.


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Far better to be proven wrong than to be wrong without knowing it.


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I remember when I was a kid, and I was just playing around, I didn't know this stuff, so I said gas prices were five dollars at my play gas station.

My dad laughed, said gas would never be that expensive.


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Toa carrying rifles... as they ride their space shuttles into... Klingon territory...


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Kazi [ha]s Rahkshi staffs. (Oooh, Kazi=evil??)


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Take an election between two candidates. Obviously, both candidates will get votes. However, one will get more votes, and one will get less. You would be, in this example, voting for the one with less votes (Mr. Olderfanson). You see why the fact that you, one person, did vote for that guy, doesn't prove that he won the election? [...] "Mr. Newerfanson" won the election.


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o_O


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In general, I do enjoy debates--but I don't enjoy being flamed, no. Nor do I enjoy wasting time when I have tons of PMs I need to reply to and top secret reference projects to work on and all that responding to things that could have been cleared up with more thought before posting, heh. Debates can still get tedious when it seems (please note "seems"!) that a few people refuse to approach them with an open mind.


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<_<
>_>
<_>


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I didn't even spell "the" right.


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Lol. I never said I'm always right! Yeesh, what do I have to do to convince you guys I don't think that? Purposefully take wrong positions or something?


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Guess what? I could draw before I learned to write, but does that mean I should get all huffy and insulted at the fact that not everybody shares my particular talent? This is just absurd, isn't it? Did you honestly think that everybody has the same talents and gains proficiency at the same time?



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When someone much older than you was a kid, LEGO was wooden toys. [fogie teeth voice]"These newfangled plastic things are insulting! As if there isn't money to be made in good old fashioned woodblock toys!"[/fogie teeth voice]


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Can we sing kumbaya yet? Sing it! Koooooooo----oom---bah-----yaaaaaaaaahhhhhh.

Or something... Sing it! You don't even have to agree with me! Just sing it anyways, maaan!

Sing!


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Your mistake is that you are thinking in terms of a simplistic "formula" of strength, and thinking that can be used to predict everything. It can't--every situation is different, and sometimes a weak Matoran might catch a glimpse of a passing Rahkshi while a powerful "Toa Ultimaultrasuper" might get blasted to bits when the same Rahkshi actually attacks. You need to be realistic--think in terms of the situation. Stories are based on that--they are a "game of seconds and inches" where dangers both big and small can occur to both powerful and weak people, and how you perform depends on your brains and the time you have to prepare more than your actual power level.


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Why did the entirely robotic Bohrok need teeth? Someone explain how that is okay but teeth in Piraka isn't?


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Phew. Now, to post, and see if I maxed the text limit out.

Yabo! Hahaha!

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Thanks X. Thanks D. Thanks X and D. XD


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I lazy.


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You can make any innovation look bad if you point to the non-innovative ways (the old "normal" ways) and claim they must be followed blindly.


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But what I don't get about it is -- why the apparent desire to kill characters off for no reason? In real life you meet tons of people who you will never meet again, and they're not dead. Is that to you a problem? I don't get it -- you'd go insane if you tried to stay in touch with every random old lady that said hi when you were walking the dog...


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Yes, my post in this topic is product placement. So sue me.


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In addition, high gravity affects spacetime on a fundamental level, slowing time down and bending the spatial brane. Not to be confused with the spacious brain.


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It would create a field of electrogravimetry that would pull all nearby matter in and then make it explode. The explosion cloud would take the form of an anchovy.


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There's only a slim chance that we exist.


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I love taking myself out of context.


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I think it's admirable to be careful not to offend people where it makes sense. But at some point, you have to be willing to stand up for yourself and be confident enough that if someone comes at you with an unreasonable accusation, you don't take it.


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I think aliens invaded already and have fooled us into thinking they are mere animals who "meow".


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Good stories aren't puppet shows. They are tales of life, with realistic characters -- people -- living out their lives, with really minimal "guiding" by the author.


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Oh goody, a complainer to blast to oblivion.


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To begin with, I disagree strongly with pretending it is "killing off", rather than a serious story being told, with serious themes and life in the story. Characters aren't "killed off". They die.

I find this term somewhat offensive, because it implies the writer kills the character like a TV show host telling a contestant to leave. This is not a game show. It is the events of the storyline that kill the character. That term is merely a psychological shield to avoid the emotion of the moment in the story. IMO, that's a kind of immaturity.


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Um.


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You can't always get what you want "now now now". Your logic makes no sense -- if you want to know what's in the books, that means you support the books' existence. Yet you apparently want spoilers to go up the day it's out, so in the countries where it is bought, people could just read the spoilers and not buy the book, risking its sales going down and the books ending, and thus no more spoilers for you to read!


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Truth = Truth. And nothing else.


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I had spammed ten thousand times.


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A good comedy is a development, like a story, not a punchline. You start with a situation, and it goes in unexpected, funny ways, which leads into other twists, to a conclusion that often can be more serious than funny, avoiding random cliches and developing enough logic that it doesn't feel like you slapped random nonsense down. Comedies Forum has this bad rap of having a lot of Unfunny Stuff -- I think it's the temptation to write short punchlines drawing on typical one-liner cliches that causes this. The 300 word rule is a good basic start to avoiding that problem.


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Dude. My voting precint is a "23". ph34r.gif


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And what people are saying about randomosity is true -- I hope that it's not surprising that as a logician, I understand how to be funny (though I won't try in this post ). Logic isn't for Spock who refuses to smile -- you actually need logic in your comedy to make it funny. In my experience, a balance of logic and random nonsense helps -- even logic OF the random nonsense.


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I highly recommendate it.


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Another mistake a lot of people make is thinking a comedy must be 100% funny -- reality is that that tends to just overwhelm the reader and come off more as spam. If you look at my Survurlode interviews, for example, there is always at least one serious theme that the whole work revolves around. The serious aspects support the humorous, and vice versa.


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*strongly approves of the use of the term "bionical"*


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Well, my observation has always been the opposite -- more established official facts inspires MORE fan imagination -- at least with imaginative official facts. It was really only once the "gappists" starting complaining, in my observation as a 2003+ member here, about "tons of official facts" that I saw the fanfiction community here really explode with creativity.

Think about it -- imagination feuls imagination. Less imagination doesn't -- it starves imagination.

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How much wood would a woodwood wood if a woodwood would would wood?


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But my point related to that isn't that I literally think it should be FULLY sun-sized. I'm just saying, there's a whole range, from a little larger than Earth, to a LOT larger, to a TONTONZILLION larger, and it's all possible if the story team just feels like it.


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*imagines massive asteriod pulling out a pirate's telescope lol*


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GD is NOT for storyline-only discussion. That discussion belongs in S&T.


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S&T policies are designed for good reasons, tried, tested, and they work.


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Sure I'm sure -- it's Bionicle. Anything's possible.


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I never understand these claims -- how do you know what "proportionate" is for that character? He's a fictional character, made out of plastic LEGO parts.

So why get annoyed at it? When you look at a giraffe, do you get annoyed? It makes no sense to me to do so.

Besides, you're setting yourself up for it. Nobody ever told you these characters were supposed to be exactly human.

If you look at an ape, would you say it's done wrong, just because it resembles a human?


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I plan not to, but I guess if the site shut down I'd kinda have to, wouldn't I?


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...they usually give their jokes when they have the upper hand at the moment, though, or when they've just run into a frustrating difficulty that's not immediately dangerous, which are realistic IMO. When they're in immediate danger, I am not aware that they pause to crack jokes.


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I strongly disagree -- everybody capitalizes their name. It's cliche.

(I do not capitalize because 1) I hate being cliche, and 2) it is symbolic of humility.)


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I knew you'd say that.


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Seriously though, obviously the focus groups like silver, guys -- there's no mystery, those of you portraying it as odd that LEGO keeps using the color. This is how personal taste works -- it differs, and you're gonna find yourself in the minority sometimes. Best get used to it -- that's life.


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*lets self dp*


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I'm not a soldier, but I know that keeping your sense of humor alive even in dangerous or serious situations can be a huge boon to keeping your sanity.

He who forgets how to laugh forgets how to live.


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I heart silver. My favorite metallic. If I had my way, gold would be considered lesser than silver.


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The red eye thing is the closest thing you have to evidence, but I could argue that Berix is the traitor for spending time away from the villages, or Ackar is the traitor because his name sounds like Admiral Ackbar and there was a traitor in Star Wars called Darth Vader.


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Ultimately it comes down to this for me -- YOU choose to dissapointed or miserable.

If you expected the universe to be perfect, that was your choice, and really not very sensible of you.


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If I as a writer were to try to appeal to the attitude you express in your post, I would feel like I am constantly walking on eggshells. Everytime I had a cool idea how to use a character, or more importantly logic told me the character naturally would be involved in something, I would have to worry about whether I shouldn't do it as it might offend someone.

That's a miserable way to write, and I wouldn't wish that on the story team, myself, or anyone.


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But one thing. Everyone expects something when they do something.


Very true. For example, when I posted the above post, I expected somebody to reward me with this point, giving me an excuse to discuss it in a separate post so as to give it better focus.


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Therefore, the more "things to expect" from a "donation or whatever the heck you want to call it", the more likely we get mooooolaaaaaaaa. Therefore good.

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I don't see what the anology has to do with this. "Chevys" (or "Chevies") makes sense. Like "Keets" or Morby or my personal favorite for Makuta -- Terry Mack. "Biological Chronicles" referring to beings makes no sense. And as I typed this, a Chevy ad came on TV. They called it "Chevy." Seriously, exact same time.


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Oh my, you're completely irrelevant metaphor makes you look sooo intelligent.


This is obviously getting out of hand, so I guess I have to close it. Also, you failed to answer my question. When a moderator asks you a question, answer it. Capisce? wink.gif

Please do not attack people like that. That is flaming, or at best trolling, both of which are not allowed.


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What does a premier member buy?

1) YOUR right to be on here for free.

2) Their right to be on here.

3) PM perks, like poll-making, blogs, etc.

4) Proto.

No matter how you slice it, sending in that money is NOT just buying proto. Even if proto is all they want, they're still buying YOUR right to be on here for free. Yall should be grateful.

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