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A Basic Summary Of E3 2012

Posted by Kohaku , in Video Games Jun 04 2012 · 412 views

MicrosoftFail SonyFail EAFail Nintendomination My Body is Reggie
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So yeah... this sums it up.

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Those tags!

My body is also Reggie. I also legally changed my name to Reggie.
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Haha, Nintendo hasn't even gone yet =P. Regardless, I think Ubisoft did pretty decent, all things considered. Sony's was good too, but definitely petered off towards the end.
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This gif is so accurate it's hilarious.

Though the fact that both Sony and Microsoft have come up with viable answers to WiiU's tablet, I am worried about it....
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Hahli Husky
Jun 04 2012 11:49 PM
Haha so agreed.
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I quite liked Sony's presentation, but if there's any Zelda news tomorrow, it's all over.
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Where's Ubisoft? :P
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Than the Moa
Jun 05 2012 12:57 AM
This gif = "these other guys didn't show games that are in my wheelhouse therefore they suck"

On the other hand, Halo, Gears of War, Splinter Cell, Forza Horizon, Assassin's Creed, Need For Speed Most Wanted (aka Burnout Paradise 2) are all way up in my wheelhouse. Combine that with Microsoft putting out a serious throwdown to the WiiU tablet controller with SmartGlass and Sony showing off some pretty decent game footage (though seriously sony, only show game footage, when you don't your conference is a living nightmare). and I honestly don't see what the issues are other than you just don't care for their type of games.
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you just don't care for their type of games.

This applies to every single person who treats E3 as a competition.
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This gif = "these other guys didn't show games that are in my wheelhouse therefore they suck"

On the other hand, Halo, Gears of War, Splinter Cell, Forza Horizon, Assassin's Creed, Need For Speed Most Wanted (aka Burnout Paradise 2) are all way up in my wheelhouse. Combine that with Microsoft putting out a serious throwdown to the WiiU tablet controller with SmartGlass and Sony showing off some pretty decent game footage (though seriously sony, only show game footage, when you don't your conference is a living nightmare). and I honestly don't see what the issues are other than you just don't care for their type of games.


Halo = Metroid Prime ripoff where you fight bionicles
Gears = never looked interesting, it is pretty much MANLY TESTOSTERONE FILLED SHOOTER
Splinter Cell = MGS
Forza = Boring racer where cars don't even get dented
Assassin's Creed = This one actually looked cool and different
NfS = Another boring racer although this one looks better than Forza

SmartGlass looks like more of a gimmick than anything Nintendo has shown. Not really a throw down there. The concept is cool, but so was the concept for Kinect. And we all know how that worked out.

Sony's conference showed they they have no support for the failing Vita and that they love the horrible looking Wonderbook. Last of Us did look pretty good. Also even Sony tagged PlayStation All-Stars Battle Royale(This name is horrible) with the tags Super Smash Brothers.

I love gaming and I do try other types of games, Microsoft, Sony, and EA didn't really show anything too good. The Microsoft press conference was honestly one of the worst I've ever seen.

Nondescript Action Figure has WON E3. Just sayin'.

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Nondescript Action Figure better be in the next iteration of Brawl. Otherwise, I am disappoint.
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Than the Moa
Jun 05 2012 03:56 AM

James William, on , said:

This gif = "these other guys didn't show games that are in my wheelhouse therefore they suck"

On the other hand, Halo, Gears of War, Splinter Cell, Forza Horizon, Assassin's Creed, Need For Speed Most Wanted (aka Burnout Paradise 2) are all way up in my wheelhouse. Combine that with Microsoft putting out a serious throwdown to the WiiU tablet controller with SmartGlass and Sony showing off some pretty decent game footage (though seriously sony, only show game footage, when you don't your conference is a living nightmare). and I honestly don't see what the issues are other than you just don't care for their type of games.

Halo = Metroid Prime ripoff where you fight bionicles
Gears = never looked interesting, it is pretty much MANLY TESTOSTERONE FILLED SHOOTER
Splinter Cell = MGS
Forza = Boring racer where cars don't even get dented
Assassin's Creed = This one actually looked cool and different
NfS = Another boring racer although this one looks better than Forza

SmartGlass looks like more of a gimmick than anything Nintendo has shown. Not really a throw down there. The concept is cool, but so was the concept for Kinect. And we all know how that worked out.

Sony's conference showed they they have no support for the failing Vita and that they love the horrible looking Wonderbook. Last of Us did look pretty good. Also even Sony tagged PlayStation All-Stars Battle Royale(This name is horrible) with the tags Super Smash Brothers.

I love gaming and I do try other types of games, Microsoft, Sony, and EA didn't really show anything too good. The Microsoft press conference was honestly one of the worst I've ever seen.

Nondescript Action Figure has WON E3. Just sayin'.



So having a few aesthetic cues from Metroid Prime now makes Halo 4 (which still looks very much like a Halo game which is nothing like Metroid Prime) means it's a clone. Sure, that makes sense.
Yeah, Gears is pretty dumb, but it's also dumb fun. Sometimes I just want to shut my brain off and have a little dumb fun.
Splinter Cell didn't give off a MGS vibe to me, but since when is riffing on a highly successful franchise and perhaps improving it's formula ever a bad thing? I mean, this is like arguing every platformer ever is a Mario clone and is therefore stupid.
Forza has very much always had car damage, it's been one of the major components of the franchise since it first came out. I also take it you haven't looked up anything else on it beyond what was shown at the conference which was unfortunately not a very good look at the game. It's an open world racer with heavy emphasis on player interaction, car culture, driving the open road, dichotomy between day and night and so on. It's a little more beyond "boring racer"
I take it you just don't have a thing for racing games, but then again, NFS looks like a spiritual successor to Burnout Paradise which is one of my favorite games this generation.

So, showing a video where a clearly overblown representation of a gamer uses a touch screen to view the exact same content on his tv to find help on a game (of which he had to exit the game to do instead of just hoping on a separate interface on the touchscreen) and then video chatting (with the video again duplicated on both the tv and the controller screen) with someone to get help isn't gimmicky? That's about as fanboy as fanboy gets. Microsoft at least showed some practical applications like resuming a movie from where you were watching it, or having a companion piece to a tv show or being able to view in game stats and manage game invites and party controls.

I agree that the Vita is dead in the water and wonderbook was such a downer. I also agree that Playstation All Stars looks like a way less fun Smash Brothers. But Sony showed off a potentially interesting new IP from Quantic Dream (though we'll see how that pans out) and like was said Last of Us definitely has some merit. I'm not really big on Sony properties though so God of War did nothing for me.

Overall though, I don't understand why there is some need to attack the games I like when I did nothing of the sort to you. I pointed out that while you may not be interested in them, other people, like myself, are. I didn't even say anything bad about Nintendo other than SmartGlass seems to do a lot of the promised things the Nintendo solution does but seems to do them better and without requiring a horrifying clunky controller give I can use devices I already own or plan on purchasing in the future.

The whole point I was trying to make is that your making a very qualitative statement so definitively based on your point of view that favors products from Nintendo over others. I make my point of view that favors 3rd party and Microsoft products so in my perspective, while there were some low points during the MS conference (I don't need an internet browser on my console, thank you very much) it satisfied me by highlighting some games they have in the pipe that appeal to me. Thusly in my eyes, it is very much far, far away from the worst conference ever (that was Sony when they announced the PS3 price, I mean come on, everyone knows that's the worst presser ever).

In the end though, I realize that as long as Nintendo shows off a new Mario and promises a new Zelda will come eventually, they'll be a winner in your book, just like if Microsoft shows off a new Halo and promises me a new Gears of War they'll be a winner in my book.
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Forza = Boring racer where cars don't even get dented

Uh? I've played the first Forza, and things get seriously broken at times; including breaking your steering and such. Did you have damage off?

So, showing a video where a clearly overblown representation of a gamer uses a touch screen to view the exact same content on his tv to find help on a game (of which he had to exit the game to do instead of just hoping on a separate interface on the touchscreen) and then video chatting (with the video again duplicated on both the tv and the controller screen) with someone to get help isn't gimmicky? That's about as fanboy as fanboy gets. Microsoft at least showed some practical applications like resuming a movie from where you were watching it, or having a companion piece to a tv show or being able to view in game stats and manage game invites and party controls.

Uh...

Okay, one, you more than likely don't have to exit the game at all, if it's anything like the 3DS; just bring up the home menu, and navigate to the specific thing(Hence why he's at the same spot moments after he finds the info, and again after the video call), and activate it that way.

Two, what would you want on the touch screen during the call? It's only duplicating the info so that you can have the controller elsewhere during a call, and not necessarily standing near the TV like it showed. Because in those cases, looking up at the TV would be rather awkward, because all people would see is your neck... And showing the call only on the touch screen in that situation would be just horrid, since it's be far away(Take that image during the call of the TV screen compared to the Pad screen to be a typical situation, from the same distance. That is just too small of a screen to see from across the room.). Therefore, it's duplicated, so it doesn't matter which was you take the call. Plus, everyone knows that's obviously exaggerated, as there's many, more detailed, ways to get help. It's just showing the different aspects of the Miiverse in the quickest way possible; gameplay.

Third, you say that last part as if that's not exactly what the Wii U's controller does. -_-' Think of the Wii U controller as either a way to keep playing without your TV, or alternatively, an undocked DS bottom screen, with the TV being the top screen. Therefore, those stats, invites, and companion pieces are all things that could theoretically be found on the Wii U, and has been shown to at least be considered, thanks to last year's Zelda tech demo, which showed, very obviously I might say, the touch screen showing a map or item screen, at that time.
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Booker DeWitt
Jun 05 2012 08:59 AM
I think if you're still defending everything Nintendo does after the Wii, a games console which has had a maximum of 5 noteworthy games in its life time, you're doing something wrong.

I'm a massive Nintendo fanboy, but since the Gamecube they've sucked. Last year's E3 was alright, because they showed the Wii U and its HD graphics and the idea of improved online play etc, but it's nothing really noteworthy because it's just showing where Nintendo should have been years ago. 360 and PS3 have already done all this stuff. The Wii is last generation, the Wii U is current generation. So when MS and Sony release their new consoles, Nintendo will be lagging behind again.

I want a new Zelda, but when I say that, I mean a NEW Zelda. I always criticised CoD for releasing the same game over and over, but Nintendo has basically done that with Zelda since OoT. It needs to return to its roots - use the power of the Wii U to give us a game the size of Skyrim, avoiding linear paths and avoiding pointlessly collection 3 things, then another 3 things, then finishing the game. Skyrim is more what Zelda should be like, because it's almost a modern day Zelda 1.

I wouldn't complain about a new Mario Galaxy and Starfox (wasn't there talk of a Starfox/Metroid crossover?), but we need some new games as well. And not Wii U Sports. Something mature and clever, but not 'mature' in terms of blood and swearing. Keep it clever and original and they'll be on to a winner.

I have to agree that GoW is a terrible game series which highlights everything that's wrong with the industry. As does CoD. Halo, though, is actually quite enjoyable. I wasn't a fan, and thought it just like every other FPS that overcrowds the market, but it's actually fun. And the online play isn't even that complicated, but is a distinct area where Nintendo fail, so I don't know how you can really say NINTENDO ARE GREAT, HALO SUCKS, because Nintendo could learn a lot from Halo. Also, Halo 4 seems to be more of the same, and Halo 1 came out before Metroid Prime, so to say that it's a rip off of Metroid Prime is quite silly.

It's good that the Wii U is getting more 3rd party support. AC3 and Arkham City releasing will put the console alongside the current generation, and perhaps show Wii fanboys that there are better games than Skyward Sword. I'd also like a focus on downloadable titles. Bastion, Limbo, Braid, Super Meat Boy, Trials HD are some of the best games available on 360, IMO. You can say 360 sucks because it's always just CoD and GoW, but actually when you look at the vast number of more obscure (and IMO better) games, you realise that the Wii is missing out on a LOT.

Nintendo's position in gaming right now is best epitomised by that half hour pre-E3 presentation. Specifically, the part where a significant amount of time was devoted to explaining how analogue sticks work. *sigh*

I want Nintendo to PULL IT OUT OF THE BAG today. For people who think the Wii U is a gimmick and that Nintendo do nothing new to be TURNED. And finally stop the company being basically a joke, and I only want that out of love.

Also I own all three main consoles plus a 3DS, SO THEREFORE I MUST BE RIGHT ON EVERYTHING.

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I think if you're still defending everything Nintendo does after the Wii, a games console which has had a maximum of 5 noteworthy games in its life time, you're doing something wrong.

Tales of Symphonia 2
Goldeneye(Stupid game was enhanced ported to XBox 360 and PS3 later, but it's still good on the Wii)
Monster Hunter Tri
Tatsunoko vs. Capcom(For people who like Fighters)

Those are just the third party games I can think of that I've played that I liked. Then you add in...

The two Zeldas.(I liked Skyward Sword, just because it's different doesn't mean it's not good, or people don't like it.)
Mario Galaxy/2.
Mario Kart Wii
Metroid Prime 3(And Other M, if you like cutscene based games. =P)
Fire Emblems
Xenoblade
Heck, throw in Animal Crossing, might not be a Hardcore player's game, but it's still noteworthy to some people, the same way Harvest Moon's managed to survive for many years.

Not even counting sequels in that, there's more than five noteworthy games in the first party category alone. Did Nintendo have a ton of Shovelware this gen? Sure, because it sold the most consoles(And still is, until the other two catch up simply because of the Wii U being around). Same reason the DS has gotten so many shovelware titles, but the DS also managed to strike a balance, gaining mass amounts of RPGs in the process.

I want a new Zelda, but when I say that, I mean a NEW Zelda. I always criticised CoD for releasing the same game over and over, but Nintendo has basically done that with Zelda since OoT. It needs to return to its roots - use the power of the Wii U to give us a game the size of Skyrim, avoiding linear paths and avoiding pointlessly collection 3 things, then another 3 things, then finishing the game. Skyrim is more what Zelda should be like, because it's almost a modern day Zelda 1.

The problem with that line of thinking, however, is then that Zelda has not been Zelda since the first(Arguably the second) game, since LttP onward, aside for the handheld games, has revolved around 'find 3 objects, plot twist, find 3-7 more objects'. Even Wind Waker, though it was more 'find 3 objects, find 2 more objects, find EIGHT more objects!'.

The only break from that formula, aside for the handheld series, is Majora's Mask, surprise surprise. However, it's also the one that gets annoyance, because of it's time restriction.

This is all coming from someone who obsesses over Zelda as much as Megaman.

I wouldn't complain about a new Mario Galaxy and Starfox (wasn't there talk of a Starfox/Metroid crossover?), but we need some new games as well. And not Wii U Sports. Something mature and clever, but not 'mature' in terms of blood and swearing. Keep it clever and original and they'll be on to a winner.

Well, didn't Miyamoto say he was working on new IPs? We might get one still... I want awesome new series as much as the next person. =P

I have to agree that GoW is a terrible game series which highlights everything that's wrong with the industry. As does CoD. Halo, though, is actually quite enjoyable. I wasn't a fan, and thought it just like every other FPS that overcrowds the market, but it's actually fun. And the online play isn't even that complicated, but is a distinct area where Nintendo fail, so I don't know how you can really say NINTENDO ARE GREAT, HALO SUCKS, because Nintendo could learn a lot from Halo. Also, Halo 4 seems to be more of the same, and Halo 1 came out before Metroid Prime, so to say that it's a rip off of Metroid Prime is quite silly.

Nintendo's doing better in the online department recently, I must comment. KI's gameplay is almost totally lag free, and any lag is from distance based equations, and the fact that not everyone has uber high speed internet. Still. And since the Wii U's supposed to be geared more toward better online than either the DS, the Wii, and maybe even the 3DS...

It's good that the Wii U is getting more 3rd party support. AC3 and Arkham City releasing will put the console alongside the current generation, and perhaps show Wii fanboys that there are better games than Skyward Sword.

That's a low blow. =/ Sure, there might be better games, but honestly, is Skyward Sword really that bad, that it can't be considered a good game on it's own merits, without being compared and being called bad in comparison? It fixed flaws that TP had, flawed and gigantic overworld with a distinct lack of enemies. It's fix was simple: Remove the overworld, remove the problem. In fact, in what really is the new overworld, they basically stuffed as many enemies as possible into it, putting in more enemies than has been seen in a non dungeon area since, I want to say, Majora's Mask. Would it have been nice to see the Overworld? Sure. But, on that note, it sounded from the backstory that there were still places that were ravaged by The Imprisoned, which is why you could only go to those three places; and really, Skyward Sword was all about storyline, right from the start, it's just no-one really cared, since it was new, and different, and had an awesome graphics style.

I'd also like a focus on downloadable titles. Bastion, Limbo, Braid, Super Meat Boy, Trials HD are some of the best games available on 360, IMO. You can say 360 sucks because it's always just CoD and GoW, but actually when you look at the vast number of more obscure (and IMO better) games, you realise that the Wii is missing out on a LOT.

I agree on the download games; however... I'd argue that Nintendo's trying to fix it, considering they've gotten two of the great PC Indie Retro games; Cave Story and VVVVVV. So, really, who knows what the future has in store for the eShop, and Whatever-The-Wii-U-Shop-Is-Called.

Nintendo's position in gaming right now is best epitomised by that half hour pre-E3 presentation. Specifically, the part where a significant amount of time was devoted to explaining how analogue sticks work. *sigh*

About two seconds is a significant amount of time? It was mostly just going over the differences between the Circle Pad and the Analogue stick it is now getting.

I want Nintendo to PULL IT OUT OF THE BAG today. For people who think the Wii U is a gimmick and that Nintendo do nothing new to be TURNED. And finally stop the company being basically a joke, and I only want that out of love.

I agree; though not so much on the joke part, I think they stopped that about... *Looks at watch* September or so 2011. Given that this year, more or less, is the year of the 3DS, considering all the awesome stuff we're getting. =)

Also I own all three main consoles plus a 3DS, SO THEREFORE I MUST BE RIGHT ON EVERYTHING.

Two out of four ain't bad for me, however, I've played both of the predecessors for the PS3 and Xbox 360, so I'm not that far out of touch. Which marks the funny coincidence that I never played the Gamecube for a significant amount of time, compared to the Xbox or PS2... Yet, the Wii is the only next gen console I have. Go figure. xD
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So having a few aesthetic cues from Metroid Prime now makes Halo 4 (which still looks very much like a Halo game which is nothing like Metroid Prime) means it's a clone. Sure, that makes sense.

Hence why many places on the interwebs are calling it Halo Prime. They are calling it that for a reason.

Splinter Cell didn't give off a MGS vibe to me, but since when is riffing on a highly successful franchise and perhaps improving it's formula ever a bad thing? I mean, this is like arguing every platformer ever is a Mario clone and is therefore stupid.

Looked like MGS to me, only with more killing.

Forza has very much always had car damage, it's been one of the major components of the franchise since it first came out. I also take it you haven't looked up anything else on it beyond what was shown at the conference which was unfortunately not a very good look at the game. It's an open world racer with heavy emphasis on player interaction, car culture, driving the open road, dichotomy between day and night and so on. It's a little more beyond "boring racer"
I take it you just don't have a thing for racing games, but then again, NFS looks like a spiritual successor to Burnout Paradise which is one of my favorite games this generation.

I may have been wrong about Forza, I honestly don't care enough to go look it up. I'm not a fan of racing with cars, there have been very few racing games that have been as fun as Mario Kart for me.

So, showing a video where a clearly overblown representation of a gamer uses a touch screen to view the exact same content on his tv to find help on a game (of which he had to exit the game to do instead of just hoping on a separate interface on the touchscreen) and then video chatting (with the video again duplicated on both the tv and the controller screen) with someone to get help isn't gimmicky? That's about as fanboy as fanboy gets. Microsoft at least showed some practical applications like resuming a movie from where you were watching it, or having a companion piece to a tv show or being able to view in game stats and manage game invites and party controls.

Actually that does seem practical, it makes it so that discussing the game is only a button away. Not to mention this will be available on multiple devices. Resuming a movie from where you were watching it? I've had that for years. It is nothing new. And as for a companion to a TV show, for that, when I'm watching a TV show, I'd rather watch the show and focus on it. I don't need a companion too a show.

Overall though, I don't understand why there is some need to attack the games I like when I did nothing of the sort to you. I pointed out that while you may not be interested in them, other people, like myself, are. I didn't even say anything bad about Nintendo other than SmartGlass seems to do a lot of the promised things the Nintendo solution does but seems to do them better and without requiring a horrifying clunky controller give I can use devices I already own or plan on purchasing in the future.

Honestly, I was giving you my initial reactions and comments on them. And I have people who were watching with me who can back that up. How do you know the controller is clunky? It looks pretty useful and comfortable to me.


I think if you're still defending everything Nintendo does after the Wii, a games console which has had a maximum of 5 noteworthy games in its life time, you're doing something wrong.

I'm a massive Nintendo fanboy, but since the Gamecube they've sucked. Last year's E3 was alright, because they showed the Wii U and its HD graphics and the idea of improved online play etc, but it's nothing really noteworthy because it's just showing where Nintendo should have been years ago. 360 and PS3 have already done all this stuff. The Wii is last generation, the Wii U is current generation. So when MS and Sony release their new consoles, Nintendo will be lagging behind again.

Smash Bros. Brawl, Mario Galaxy 1 and 2, Metroid Prime Trilogy, Donkey Kong Country Returns, The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword, Mario Kart, Xenoblade Chronicles, Kirby's Return to Dreamland, Kirby's Epic Yarn, No More Heroes 1 and 2, Punch-Out!!, Metroid: Other M, Epic Mickey, New Super Mario Bros., and MadWorld would all like to say hi.

The Wii had some fantastic games, if you knew where to look.

I want a new Zelda, but when I say that, I mean a NEW Zelda. I always criticised CoD for releasing the same game over and over, but Nintendo has basically done that with Zelda since OoT. It needs to return to its roots - use the power of the Wii U to give us a game the size of Skyrim, avoiding linear paths and avoiding pointlessly collection 3 things, then another 3 things, then finishing the game. Skyrim is more what Zelda should be like, because it's almost a modern day Zelda 1.

So... you want Skyrim. I like my Zelda how it is.

I wouldn't complain about a new Mario Galaxy and Starfox (wasn't there talk of a Starfox/Metroid crossover?), but we need some new games as well. And not Wii U Sports. Something mature and clever, but not 'mature' in terms of blood and swearing. Keep it clever and original and they'll be on to a winner.

Agreed that they need new games.

I have to agree that GoW is a terrible game series which highlights everything that's wrong with the industry. As does CoD. Halo, though, is actually quite enjoyable. I wasn't a fan, and thought it just like every other FPS that overcrowds the market, but it's actually fun. And the online play isn't even that complicated, but is a distinct area where Nintendo fail, so I don't know how you can really say NINTENDO ARE GREAT, HALO SUCKS, because Nintendo could learn a lot from Halo. Also, Halo 4 seems to be more of the same, and Halo 1 came out before Metroid Prime, so to say that it's a rip off of Metroid Prime is quite silly.

I'm talking about the new Halo having elements of Metroid Prime. Not Halo 1.

It's good that the Wii U is getting more 3rd party support. AC3 and Arkham City releasing will put the console alongside the current generation, and perhaps show Wii fanboys that there are better games than Skyward Sword. I'd also like a focus on downloadable titles. Bastion, Limbo, Braid, Super Meat Boy, Trials HD are some of the best games available on 360, IMO. You can say 360 sucks because it's always just CoD and GoW, but actually when you look at the vast number of more obscure (and IMO better) games, you realise that the Wii is missing out on a LOT.

I know many people who loved Skyward Sword. Nintendo has drasaticly changed their view on downloadable games, the 3DS eShop is a good example of that.


I want Nintendo to PULL IT OUT OF THE BAG today. For people who think the Wii U is a gimmick and that Nintendo do nothing new to be TURNED. And finally stop the company being basically a joke, and I only want that out of love.

So, massive sales of the Wii and DS make it a joke? Huh, that MAKES PERFECT SENSE.

Not to mention the fact that the 3DS has been doing much better. People may have critisiced the price drop, but it seems like that was the best move.

Nondescript Action Figure better be in the next iteration of Brawl. Otherwise, I am disappoint.

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