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Kakaru

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I'm just going to keep bludgeoning people with my "RESPECT" hammer until you all learn to stop belittling each other for your views and mindlessly hating and backstabbing without any real context or attempts to resolve your issues one-on-one. Seriously, you don't have to call people out in public with cutting remarks to try and make them see it your way. If anything, that makes them want to respect you and your ideas even less, and any opportunity for rational debate is lost when mutual respect goes out the window.

 

Just.

 

Stop.

 

Reconcile your issues with that specific person through PM, one on one. We all have a sense of pride attached to our views, and when someone calls them out and disagrees with them in public, we get a bit miffed and tend to blow small negative remarks out of proportion, then we respond in kind as we see fit because "if they're not going to respect me then it's okay for me to do the same right"

 

No. No it's not. We all seem to have an "eye for an eye" picture of justice when it comes to the internet, but as the saying goes, another eye for another eye until everyone is blind. Be the better man in every argument. Genuinely attempt to understand your opponent. If no resolution can be made quickly and politely in public, take it to them privately. If we all want this hate-free world that we claim to perpetuate, then we should all lead the way first. Stop spreading hate and backstabbing. The burst of adrenaline and petty retaliation feels good for a moment, but it helps absolutely nobody in the long run and is quite simply detrimental to this site, our community, and every member in it.

 

So please, for all our sakes, respect your opponent and stop spreading hate. Resolve the argument in private if need be.

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I fail to see how calling someone what they are is hate. But whatever.

Because even if it's true, it's still impolite and often detrimental to them. If they're sexist or bigoted, you can call them that, but you should respect them enough and have the decency to avoid labeling them with a derogatory term for the sake of the debate. It's this lack of respect and flippant "whatever" attitude that prevents any real debate or resolution and breeds the hatred I'm addressing in the first place.
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The textbook description of sexism was brought up. They meet it. I brought up evidence and all I got was evasion. So you can't accuse me of using it as a cheap tactic to cover up a weak argument.

 

Maybe they should have the decency to not discriminate in the first place.

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The textbook description of sexism was brought up. They meet it. I brought up evidence and all I got was evasion. So you can't accuse me of using it as a cheap tactic to cover up a weak argument.

 

Maybe they should have the decency to not discriminate in the first place.

That's not what I meant to imply at all, and I apologise if I've allowed it to be taken that way.

 

You're right, they brought up the definition and the argument, and you brought up the evidence. But that doesn't mean that we have to stick it to them, because that's disrespectful even if they are in the wrong. Always assume that they believe what they believe very strongly and have a good reason.

 

Absolutely correct, they should have the decency to keep from making bigoted remarks in the first place where they're aware that people will take issue with it. And understand that I'm not saying that you shouldn't disagree with them or attempt to argue with them if it conflicts with your beliefs. That's a good thing.

 

What I'm saying is, (and this applies to everyone, this is only directed towards you as an example. I apologize if this offends you) have debates. Have lengthy discussion. Resolve your issues.

 

But do it with respect in all things, and they in turn should show you the same respect. Asking them to be tolerant first won't work because they'll ask you to do the same, and if nobody takes that first step it will never happen.

 

Thanks for understanding. I don't mean to call you out specifically, but you responded with a good point that allowed me to clarify my ideas. All I'm trying to do is prevent nasty feeling towards each other by resolving our issues through a mutual respect and understanding.

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.....Well. There goes my righteous anger. In a puff of logic.

 

Though I respectfully submit there is no good reason to discriminate or to believe in it.

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.....Well. There goes my righteous anger. In a puff of logic.

 

Though I respectfully submit there is no good reason to discriminate or to believe in it.

Thank you for understanding and being respectful, I genuinely appreciate that. I agree absolutely, there is not nor will there ever be a good way to justify discrimination.

 

The entire reason I chose to stick my head in this hornet's nest was to defend my good friend Velox's character, if not his actions and words.

 

I've explained at length elsewhere that Velox simply has a hard time gathering his words together properly, and discrimination based on sex, race, religion, sexuality or anything else was not what he intended. But what he said has been said, and the damage to his character is done. Regardless his intentions, his reputation as a respectful and understanding guy has been soiled by a few poorly chosen words and a heap of misunderstanding and lack of respect and clarity.

 

This is why I'm asking everyone to stay respectful to their opponents and to choose their words (and when it's appropriate to say them) with a little more care. Lives can be ruined in a matter of seconds with a few careless words.

 

Thank you for your time and responses, Basilisk. I'd like to apologize for calling you out in Gato's entry. That remark to Zar caught me as off-colour and I wanted to cut off any chance for your words to be misinterpreted then and there. Understand that I would have done the same if I walked in and Zar had just said the same sort of thing to you.

 

I appreciate that we can still have a civil discussion on this site. There's hope for BZPower yet, on both sides.

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The fact there are different sides in an argument about discrimination takes away a bit of that hope.

 

On Gato's entry, I'm not exactly new to debate. Over the years I've learned that no one-minus a rare few, they do exist, though they're rarer then a double rainbow-will ever change their opinion based on reason. Far to much focus on emotion. I suppose responding with anger isn't the best solution to that....but sometimes it's like talking to a wall. Eventually you just want to break out the hammer.

 

I won't speak to the entirity of his character, largely because you know him better then me. But I will say I doubt it's entirely because of a poor word choice. Those who do harm seldom mean it. In everyday life at least.

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The fact there are different sides in an argument about discrimination takes away a bit of that hope.

 

On Gato's entry, I'm not exactly new to debate. Over the years I've learned that no one-minus a rare few, they do exist, though they're rarer then a double rainbow-will ever change their opinion based on reason. Far to much focus on emotion. I suppose responding with anger isn't the best solution to that....but sometimes it's like talking to a wall. Eventually you just want to break out the hammer.

 

I won't speak to the entirity of his character, largely because you know him better then me. But I will say I doubt it's entirely because of a poor word choice. Those who do harm seldom mean it. In everyday life at least.

Hahaha, I totally get that. Right, like I said, the key to a good debate is restraining from using the hammer, even when it would really be far easier to vent your frustration.

 

A good method I've found is to open a text document, then write down everything you're feeling against that person. Swears and all. Type in caps if it helps.

 

Then walk away from the computer for an hour or two, maybe even a day. Try to avoid thinking about the beef you hold with that person. Read a book, watch a movie, maybe take a long walk and try to put things into perspective.

 

Then come back and read what you wrote. Chances are that a good portion of it is going to seem more absurd than it did at the time you wrote it.

 

Then you can start composing an actual reply once you're done venting. Like I said, acting on impulse and throwing out careless words against someone else is harmful to everyone and can destroy lives.

 

That's what I've had to do on more than one occasion when involved in these sorts of debates with other people. Just thought I'd share my tactic.

 

Anyways, thank you so much for the chance to hold a rational and civilized discussion. If we all understand that not everyone will choose their words with care and respect, and we choose to step up to be the example first, I'm confident in the future of the site, despite the drama and vastly contrasted viewpoints represented.

 

Cheers mate!

 

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I'm leaving a note here that me and Basilisk have reached an understanding in private, and he's given me permission to close this entry to prevent room for misunderstandings and additional controversy. I'm pulling my head out of the hornet's nest, as all I wanted to do was ask people to be more respectful in their discussion of controversial topics, and to lead the way by being more tolerant to show others how to follow suit. If you have any additional thoughts, feel free to shoot me a PM.

 

Thanks for understanding, everyone. Entry locked.

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