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Doctor Who And Its Issues

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so has anyone else noticed that moffat introduced a boyfriend for clara right before she's meant to be leaving?

 

because, you know, companions can't just leave the TARDIS on their own, it has to be because of a man, to think otherwise would be silly

 

 

also, danny

i really want to like him, guys

i really do

can he just be a nice guy

why can't he be nicer

why is he threatening clara with ending their very forced relationship if she won't tell him the intimacies of her travels with the doctor

 

also 'what other kind of love is there' oh my god what

what

what

 

 

doctor pls stop insulting clara, it's not funny, it's not sassy, it's mean

there is a generation of little boys growing up thinking that's appropriate and it's not, just the same as judging by the interwebs there's a generation of little girls growing up thinking that the doctor wouldn't like them because they're 'fat' or their eyes are too big

 

 

can we acknowledge how problematic this is

in fact can people contribute some more issues so that we can make sure we're covering all bases

 

i want a master reference post for everything that's wrong with it right now so that we can come back later and be like

'oh we were so young and innocent'

'we had no idea how much worse this was going to get'

 

extra stuff like: female antagonists have to have black suits and red lipstick and updos and whenever they need a 'cheeky' child actor they choose a black girl and also the general treatment of PoC characters in this

also the doctor is being so mean like what

 

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why is he threatening clara with ending their very forced relationship if she won't tell him the intimacies of her travels with the doctor

 

Finding out your girlfriend is an alien-hunting time traveler is kind of a big deal. I mean, at a guess. It's not what the average, run-of-the-mill relationship encounters. When she's refusing to talk about it, I think you're fairly justified in deciding you want little to do with it. If anything, I would say that he took it pretty well. He's actually fairly tolerant. 

 

 

 

doctor pls stop insulting clara, it's not funny, it's not sassy, it's mean

 

Again, I don't really see a problem here. It's amusing. There's no shortage of people saying that either Clara or Jenna Louise Coleman is good-looking. Danny does it, the media does it. The show emphasises that the Doctor is in the wrong whenever he does it. It's not even really insulting, it's just playful banter born of the fact that people seem desperate to ship the Doctor with his companions, so now the writers are creating a pretty clear divide. I like that the Doctor doesn't understand the nuances of flirting anymore, because both 10 and 11's constant romantic inclinations towards other characters got incredibly frustrating. 

 

Frankly, I have issues with series 8 so far and none of them are what you brought up. Of course it's not perfect, because very little is. But I'd actually say it's one of the best series since 5 and I'm fairly confident that unless something massively horrible happens in the final two episodes then it will maintain a high place on my ranking list. 

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seems you've got the morality problems down, so I'm gonna come at it from a storyline perspective:

 

A. This season especially, but also the last and to some extent the one before, the actual plots are dwindling in favour of pseudo character development. You think characters are being elaborated upon but in actuality things are just popping out of nowhere to fill in the (huge) gaps. Like the doctor's new hatred of soldiers?

 

B. This goes hand in hand with above, the plot-device villains. When was the last time we actually had an episode ABOUT aliens? They just show up as something to fight while we worry about the character's emotional problems. We learn nothing about them, their motives, their origins, nothing (unless you count the frivolous explanations the doctor gives)

 

C. the ____est thing in the UNIVERSE. Every time. Every episode.

 

D. Everyone is sassy now. Why is everyone sassy? Where are the normal people who don't deliver bad jokes with a crooked smirk?

 

E. thought of another one. They're treating the doctor like he's a new character for some reason. he suddenly has all these things - doesn't understand humans, hates soldiers, can't tell when he's insulting someone/doesn't care, doesn't understand romance, etc. Where did these come from? He is over 1200 years old, and while he was always sort of intentionally bumbling he was -never- a complete idiot about so many things. When 10, or 3, or 4, or really any of the doctors insulted someone it was because they truly were angry with that person. He has been married, had kids, etc - he knows how romance works, and he has been a soldier and has had soldier companions through his entire life. He has never liked the idea of killing for a living but he's never ever hated someone so thoroughly on the simple fact that they were once a soldier. It's just nonsense everywhere.

 

that's all I can think of right now, I'm sure someone else will get more or I'll come back and edit.

 

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My issue with it was more in the phrasing -- the way he held it over her as a threat rather than being like 'Look I'd really prefer if we were open and I'm not sure our relationship can continue if we're not' (and also an underlying sense that Clara can't protect herself if the Doctor pushes her too far so Danny has to swoop in and save her).

 

As I said, my problem is more with the message it sends out, and I don't find it amusing. I don't see why the Doctor can't either not comment on her appearance or comment on it neutrally. And frankly, regularly insulting his companion doesn't seem like something the Doctor would do at this stage in his character development, although I guess he has been regressing a lot recently (not a good thing). It's not even about not understanding the nuances of flirting, it's basic niceties and common courtesy. The Doctor has been around for 2000 years and has spent an awful lot of that time with humans, I can't begin to understand why socialisation would come so difficult to him, especially when he's shown himself capable of it in the past (except, of course, for the explanation of writers who'd rather be doing Sherlock).

 

Sadly, so far it is probably is the best series since 5, although I think what that really says is more how truly awful 6 and 7 were.

 

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EDIT: XINLO YAY

i agree with absolutely everything (heck, i even mentioned some of it before i got that reply)

 

i think the issue is that moffat doesn't understand emotions, people, or plots

he's a bad fanfic writer who somehow ended up in charge of the actual show and is trying to make the hero dark and brooding and fill it with romantic subplots and two-dimensional characters

 

also, the doctor faces HIS DARKEST HOUR

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A. This season especially, but also the last and to some extent the one before, the actual plots are dwindling in favour of pseudo character development. You think characters are being elaborated upon but in actuality things are just popping out of nowhere to fill in the (huge) gaps. Like the doctor's new hatred of soldiers?

 

In fairness, whilst 11 showed no signs of despising soldiers, 10 had a pretty prominent disliking of weaponry and combat as well. It disappeared during Matt Smith's run but seems to be making a comeback now. If we want to interpret character motivations, then perhaps we could postulate that 10 grew to hate all things that involve killing and became "The man who never would" (a dumb term) because of his PTSD from the Time War. 11 would then completely do away with this character trait because The Doctor was regressing into a more naive and child-like form of himself to escape the pain of what he did. Then came the events of The Day of the Doctor and the Doctor's actions were mostly reverted. He was saved of his guilt and later became 12, who after his time on Trenzalore was sick of fighting and war and combat, and grew to hate all things soldiers. I'm not going to pretend that it does seem fairly out of left field but I can see where the writers are coming from on this one.

 

Points B, C, and D are completely legitimate. They're some of my biggest problems with the series right now. I won't even bother addressing those since you already did a pretty good job. 

 

They're treating the doctor like he's a new character for some reason

 

Because he is. That happens when the Doctor regenerates. Not only his appearance, but also his entire personality and his outlook on life changes. When 8 was dying, he wanted to become a warrior and so he had that wish granted, completely doing away with his prior fears of guilt over combat. 10 was well versed in human culture and would even reference our media from a major movie such as The Lion King, to an evening-time soap opera such as Eastenders. Compare this with 11 who thought that football was "the one with the sticks" and had a strong disliking of the taste of alcohol. I'd say the Doctor changes because with each regeneration comes different priorities in his 2,000 year old mind. From 12's "planet of the pudding brains" comment it's obvious that he doesn't hold humanity in as high a regard as his predecessor 10, which is fairly acceptable given he's, as we've already said, 2,000 years old. He's busy adventuring and doing equations on his chalk board so it's obvious that his mind is elsewhere when it comes to social norms he was once aware of. Most of the time when he "insults" Clara, he never shows any intention of doing so. He seems his same old scatterbrained self that he's always been and I think that's fine.

 

My issue with it was more in the phrasing -- the way he held it over her as a threat rather than being like 'Look I'd really prefer if we were open and I'm not sure our relationship can continue if we're not' (and also an underlying sense that Clara can't protect herself if the Doctor pushes her too far so Danny has to swoop in and save her).

 

Again, consider the situation. He doesn't have to be nice to her. He's just had his entire reality shattered by the knowledge of other worlds teeming with life. He was nearly killed a few minutes prior, and now his girlfriend has revealed that she's living a double life in which she encounters that kind of situation on a daily basis. I find your desire for him to be calm, measured and practical to be a little unrealistic. Also that last comment was your interpretation so I probably won't say anything on that.

 

except, of course, for the explanation of writers who'd rather be doing Sherlock

 

The episode was mainly written by Gareth Roberts. No association with Sherlock. 

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12's "insults" to Clara are clearly contextually out of place. Each Doctor brings a new character into the role. 11 flirted with her, which was uncomfortable to say the least. It's about contrasts - 11 was quirky, 12 is more alien - and I like the 12-Clara dynamic much more because of it.
 
In terms of new things being brought up, the Doctor's distaste for soldiers isn't anything new - past Doctors have simply put up with soldiers more. It's unexpected but not unprecedented.
 
Let's not forget that Clara had been lying to Danny about her travels with the Doctor. Danny has to be nice when everything he knows has been totally shattered? I understand the need to represent healthy relationships in media, but in this case, it's 100% realistic.

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My problem is basically every episode is as follows: great set-up, poorly thought out twist ending for the sake of a twist. That and the Doctor can come off as annoying sometimes but it isn't really that big an issue. Why does Moffat remind me so much of George Lucas?
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Maybe I see it differently than you guys, but I've watched at least one story from each of the old doctors (in the case of the third and fourth I've seen almost all) and while they had different attitudes and priorities they were still the same character. The third doctor was grumpy, short-tempered and downright cruel at times while the fourth doctor was sarcastic, bubbly, and kinda' nuts. Ten was mostly jovial and fun-loving but with a dark side and righteous anger, and 9 was harder and joked less. But all had a running theme of enormous respect for all life and a -distaste- for military, along with other core personality traits. then you get 11 who comes along and is basically just a dork which was weird, but not unexplained (it sorta kinda made sense?) but he still had most of those character traits (except towards the end of season 7).

 

But 12 has a blatant and hypocritical hatred of soldiers (the others hated violence, hated the weapons - he hates the people), and lacks interpersonal skills entirely. 3rd doctor was rude and intolerant of people he deemed foolish, but he knew how to actually interact with people. I do not care what anyone says, even if he is 2000 years old, a person does not simply "forget" a lifetime of experience in such matters, it becomes second nature. Now I can see him actively throwing out those social norms and being intentionally rude and dismissive, but that's not what's being portrayed.

 

Sorry if this doesn't make much sense, I'm having trouble putting my thoughts into words today lol

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Another thing I'd like to mention is the assumption that Clara will stop traveling with the Doctor because of Danny. That trope dates back to the classic series, so that's not some kind of sexism on Moffat's part. He subverted that with Amy and Rory.
 
I'm not trying to hold up Moffat as a paragon of excellent writing, because he's certainly not, but we shouldn't try and find problems that aren't there because there are enough of them already.

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also, danny
i really want to like him, guys
i really do
can he just be a nice guy
why can't he be nicer
why is he threatening clara with ending their very forced relationship if she won't tell him the intimacies of her travels with the doctor


That's so me, I was so upset at the end of the episode. They are adorable together, I felt so bad that he wasn't being a littler nicer to her. What a grump.

I also really don't like Moffat's writing. Like, he is really quite good on the creative side of things but there's some thing that are uniquely Moffat that I am so sick of, like the black clothes-lipstick-updo female villain thing you mentioned. They're just.. so tired. Do something new please.

Otherwise though, I'm fine. I'm glad they're at least trying to use more folks of color, and I really like the characters so far. Courtney is the bomb, the kids Clara babysat were adorable. I am really enjoying Twelve's jabs at Clara about her appearance, it's not like he's doing it to insult her, he just genuinely doesn't seem to understand anything like manners and what attractive humans look like anymore. The "built like a man" comment cracked me up 'cause I wasn't expecting it and Clara's face in reaction was incredible. If she had a problem with his comments, she'd tell him, 'cause she really isn't afraid to stand up to him about anything. I think she enjoys it 'cause it really is just playful and amusing. I understand how it could be giving kids the wrong idea or whatever but I don't think we're at that level yet, like it was said above, the Doctor is always made out to obviously be wrong. 

Oi! And watch it with the spoilers, who says Clara's outtie at the end of the season? :P I mean I heard about that, but still, I don't think it's common knowledge yet. I don't think Clara would ever leave 'because of a man', I feel like she'd go the same way Martha went. Danny would just be her consolation prize :P If he's not, you know, evil or something.

As for Twelve's prejudice against soldiers... the Doctor's always had a history of not being a fan, but I think what contributed to Twelve's issue is that he was sitting on his butt for 900 years of war surrounded by soldiers killing soldiers and also civilians inevitably, 'cause, well, war. That's a reasonable explanation, to me. Maybe he really does hate violence now, despite all his anger. He seems a lot less trigger happy than Eleven, that's for sure. So far he's only actively intended to "kill" a bunch of robots, in Sherwood. Other than that... well, it all depends on whether or not he pushed the Half-Faced Man. He didn't want to kill/attack the Dalek like Nine and Eleven did in their first Dalek episodes, and he got really creative with his nonlethal solutions to Blitzer. He was willing to save Journey's life and cooperate with the Aristotle crew, and only rejected her 'cause she was a soldier despite being a solid candidate, which leads me to believe that maybe he's afraid that if he has that influence around him he might revert back to his soldiery ways. We had that hint about his feelings towards the army in Listen, and then again there's the 900 years of war at Christmas. 

As for not understanding people, well, we had that with Eleven, didn't we? He was just more lovable so it never really stood out. Twelve certainly knows how to interact with 'em when he really wants to, he's just more critical and uninterested in a way.

I really do hate all the blatant plot devices and stuff though, in the writing, it's just getting out of hand. And the Moffat tropes are blinding. Does showrunner really mean he gets to mess with every little thing? He should let someone else execute his ideas, 'cause they really are so great, but he does not have the most delicate touch.

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A. This season especially, but also the last and to some extent the one before, the actual plots are dwindling in favour of pseudo character development. You think characters are being elaborated upon but in actuality things are just popping out of nowhere to fill in the (huge) gaps. Like the doctor's new hatred of soldiers?

 

In fairness, whilst 11 showed no signs of despising soldiers, 10 had a pretty prominent disliking of weaponry and combat as well. It disappeared during Matt Smith's run but seems to be making a comeback now. If we want to interpret character motivations, then perhaps we could postulate that 10 grew to hate all things that involve killing and became "The man who never would" (a dumb term) because of his PTSD from the Time War. 11 would then completely do away with this character trait because The Doctor was regressing into a more naive and child-like form of himself to escape the pain of what he did. Then came the events of The Day of the Doctor and the Doctor's actions were mostly reverted. He was saved of his guilt and later became 12, who after his time on Trenzalore was sick of fighting and war and combat, and grew to hate all things soldiers. I'm not going to pretend that it does seem fairly out of left field but I can see where the writers are coming from on this one.

 

Points B, C, and D are completely legitimate. They're some of my biggest problems with the series right now. I won't even bother addressing those since you already did a pretty good job. 

 

They're treating the doctor like he's a new character for some reason

 

Because he is. That happens when the Doctor regenerates. Not only his appearance, but also his entire personality and his outlook on life changes. When 8 was dying, he wanted to become a warrior and so he had that wish granted, completely doing away with his prior fears of guilt over combat. 10 was well versed in human culture and would even reference our media from a major movie such as The Lion King, to an evening-time soap opera such as Eastenders. Compare this with 11 who thought that football was "the one with the sticks" and had a strong disliking of the taste of alcohol. I'd say the Doctor changes because with each regeneration comes different priorities in his 2,000 year old mind. From 12's "planet of the pudding brains" comment it's obvious that he doesn't hold humanity in as high a regard as his predecessor 10, which is fairly acceptable given he's, as we've already said, 2,000 years old. He's busy adventuring and doing equations on his chalk board so it's obvious that his mind is elsewhere when it comes to social norms he was once aware of. Most of the time when he "insults" Clara, he never shows any intention of doing so. He seems his same old scatterbrained self that he's always been and I think that's fine.

 

My issue with it was more in the phrasing -- the way he held it over her as a threat rather than being like 'Look I'd really prefer if we were open and I'm not sure our relationship can continue if we're not' (and also an underlying sense that Clara can't protect herself if the Doctor pushes her too far so Danny has to swoop in and save her).

 

Again, consider the situation. He doesn't have to be nice to her. He's just had his entire reality shattered by the knowledge of other worlds teeming with life. He was nearly killed a few minutes prior, and now his girlfriend has revealed that she's living a double life in which she encounters that kind of situation on a daily basis. I find your desire for him to be calm, measured and practical to be a little unrealistic. Also that last comment was your interpretation so I probably won't say anything on that.

 

except, of course, for the explanation of writers who'd rather be doing Sherlock

 

The episode was mainly written by Gareth Roberts. No association with Sherlock. 

 

'hate the war not the warrior'

literally every doctor's attitude apart from the ones moffat has been in charge of

 

i just have to point out that all the examples you just gave were examples from steven moffat being in charge, and the rest of the time all that's changed have been peripheral traits of the doctor's -- at his core, he has remained the same character, with a huge respect for life and a dislike of war, but never soldiers

 

i don't need him to be calm and collected, i feel like the show is using too many things to pressure her into being with him

one thing i've tried to avoid mentioning was the orson deal after their truly awful first date, which forced her to stay with him or mess up her own timeline. i do not think anyone would ever follow up on a date like that if they weren't forced to

the ultimatum is coming across as another thing forcing this already contrived relationship, and i'm trying not to hold it against danny but all of this stuff is turning me off to his character

 

also, Moffat is the showrunner. everything goes through Moffat. Moffat tells the writers how he wants the Doctor to be, the writers do that, and Moffat still had a co-writer credit on The Caretaker afaik, along with every episode so far but Sherwood.

 

Another thing I'd like to mention is the assumption that Clara will stop traveling with the Doctor because of Danny. That trope dates back to the classic series, so that's not some kind of sexism on Moffat's part. He subverted that with Amy and Rory.

 

I'm not trying to hold up Moffat as a paragon of excellent writing, because he's certainly not, but we shouldn't try and find problems that aren't there because there are enough of them already.

 

actually i'm... not sure he did? like, rory travelled with amy and the doctor, but everything was always depicted as amy choosing between them

 

 

 

also, danny

i really want to like him, guys

i really do

can he just be a nice guy

why can't he be nicer

why is he threatening clara with ending their very forced relationship if she won't tell him the intimacies of her travels with the doctor

 

That's so me, I was so upset at the end of the episode. They are adorable together, I felt so bad that he wasn't being a littler nicer to her. What a grump.

 

I also really don't like Moffat's writing. Like, he is really quite good on the creative side of things but there's some thing that are uniquely Moffat that I am so sick of, like the black clothes-lipstick-updo female villain thing you mentioned. They're just.. so tired. Do something new please.

 

Otherwise though, I'm fine. I'm glad they're at least trying to use more folks of color, and I really like the characters so far. Courtney is the bomb, the kids Clara babysat were adorable. I am really enjoying Twelve's jabs at Clara about her appearance, it's not like he's doing it to insult her, he just genuinely doesn't seem to understand anything like manners and what attractive humans look like anymore. The "built like a man" comment cracked me up 'cause I wasn't expecting it and Clara's face in reaction was incredible. If she had a problem with his comments, she'd tell him, 'cause she really isn't afraid to stand up to him about anything. I think she enjoys it 'cause it really is just playful and amusing. I understand how it could be giving kids the wrong idea or whatever but I don't think we're at that level yet, like it was said above, the Doctor is always made out to obviously be wrong. 

 

Oi! And watch it with the spoilers, who says Clara's outtie at the end of the season? :P I mean I heard about that, but still, I don't think it's common knowledge yet. I don't think Clara would ever leave 'because of a man', I feel like she'd go the same way Martha went. Danny would just be her consolation prize :P If he's not, you know, evil or something.

 

As for Twelve's prejudice against soldiers... the Doctor's always had a history of not being a fan, but I think what contributed to Twelve's issue is that he was sitting on his butt for 900 years of war surrounded by soldiers killing soldiers and also civilians inevitably, 'cause, well, war. That's a reasonable explanation, to me. Maybe he really does hate violence now, despite all his anger. He seems a lot less trigger happy than Eleven, that's for sure. So far he's only actively intended to "kill" a bunch of robots, in Sherwood. Other than that... well, it all depends on whether or not he pushed the Half-Faced Man. He didn't want to kill/attack the Dalek like Nine and Eleven did in their first Dalek episodes, and he got really creative with his nonlethal solutions to Blitzer. He was willing to save Journey's life and cooperate with the Aristotle crew, and only rejected her 'cause she was a soldier despite being a solid candidate, which leads me to believe that maybe he's afraid that if he has that influence around him he might revert back to his soldiery ways. We had that hint about his feelings towards the army in Listen, and then again there's the 900 years of war at Christmas. 

As for not understanding people, well, we had that with Eleven, didn't we? He was just more lovable so it never really stood out. Twelve certainly knows how to interact with 'em when he really wants to, he's just more critical and uninterested in a way.

 

I really do hate all the blatant plot devices and stuff though, in the writing, it's just getting out of hand. And the Moffat tropes are blinding. Does showrunner really mean he gets to mess with every little thing? He should let someone else execute his ideas, 'cause they really are so great, but he does not have the most delicate touch.

 

 

actually i don't really know if they're adorable together, i feel like their first date went really awkwardly

and the declaration of love seemed kinda rushed after four episodes

what i want is for him to be a nice character so that there's a cool recurring PoC and Clara has a decent boyfriend

 

he could handle one season, as evidenced by season five being his best

he should not have been given more

 

yeah but why would he just forget all of that

this is an issue i have with eleven as well, moffat doesn't seem to understand that -- as has been mentioned here a couple of times -- the doctor's personality isn't entirely rewritten with every regeneration, he remains the same person at his core and he retains the same memories

 

i agree, but what i'm saying is that i don't think moffat does

 

as i've mentioned before, eleven was also really out-of-character as the doctor

and i'd like to point out the parts in the caretaker where the doctor referred to danny as a 'P.E. teacher'

that's not being scared of soldiers, that's being insulting and intolerant

he is shown as being unable to accept that soldiers are worthwhile human beings when he and a good few of his friends have been or are soldiers.

 

technically being the showrunner does mean that he controls absolutely everything, but i really don't think moffat should have creative control

when he was writing an episode a season the tired old tropes were less noticeable, but now? ...not so much

 

 

also separate new point: MEETING PEOPLE AS CHILDREN AND HAVING THEM BECOME ROMANTIC INTERESTS

how about that one guys

that's another one

 

 

 

My problem is basically every episode is as follows: great set-up, poorly thought out twist ending for the sake of a twist. That and the Doctor can come off as annoying sometimes but it isn't really that big an issue. Why does Moffat remind me so much of George Lucas?

because he's unoriginal, a little plagiaristic and generally uninteresting but surrounded by yes men (i feel no need to change that to 'people' given his refusal to hire women writers)

and also because he loves messing with history that's already been established as canon

and also because let's be honest here, you could easily see either of them pointing at storyboards like 'jar jar is key to this'

 

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Also I just remembered my issues with the "science" factor of the show. It's always been loosely science fiction (at times extremely loosely, such as wibbly wobbly timey wimey) but having a dinosaur that big is simply fantasy, and without any explanation except to say that they actually WERE that big but shhh nobody knows. Plus a sonic screwdriver doing what it does? it's like a universal remote now. It supposedly manipulates sound waves to vibrate objects. it should not be able to do 3/4s of the things it does in the show. I read an interview where moffat said it was becoming a crutch and he intended to use it less, but here's an idea - use it believably and you'll find it actually isn't all that useful in most situations!

 

and don't even get me started on them blowing up the sun in  Akhaten. just don't. They've done ridiculous things (stealing the earth) but always with -some- sort of explanation. But leaving a bunch of inhabited asteroids with no heat source and nothing to orbit around and saying nothing about it? c'mon, my imagination only stretches so far.

 

there's more but I think my point is made... moffat is actively choosing to toss aside what little actual science was in the show for ~dramatic effect~ and ~shock value~ and it's actually the least of all problems right now

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Also I just remembered my issues with the "science" factor of the show. It's always been loosely science fiction (at times extremely loosely, such as wibbly wobbly timey wimey) but having a dinosaur that big is simply fantasy, and without any explanation except to say that they actually WERE that big but shhh nobody knows. Plus a sonic screwdriver doing what it does? it's like a universal remote now. It supposedly manipulates sound waves to vibrate objects. it should not be able to do 3/4s of the things it does in the show. I read an interview where moffat said it was becoming a crutch and he intended to use it less, but here's an idea - use it believably and you'll find it actually isn't all that useful in most situations!

 

and don't even get me started on them blowing up the sun in  Akhaten. just don't. They've done ridiculous things (stealing the earth) but always with -some- sort of explanation. But leaving a bunch of inhabited asteroids with no heat source and nothing to orbit around and saying nothing about it? c'mon, my imagination only stretches so far.

 

there's more but I think my point is made... moffat is actively choosing to toss aside what little actual science was in the show for ~dramatic effect~ and ~shock value~ and it's actually the least of all problems right now

what's an akhaten

i don't know what you're talking about

are you absolutely certain that was an episode?

i'm not

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Now that I think about it I may have imagined that episode

It was, somewhere in the middle of series 7.

 

Anyway, as for the insults, to me they've always come across as sort of the Doctor's way of reasserting the whole "I am not your boyfriend, Clara" thing. He overcompensates in that regard to ensure that there is no doubt. That's how I see it, anyway. 

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Now that I think about it I may have imagined that episode

it was probably involuntary

i can't imagine anyone thinking that up intentionally

 

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I loved Akhatan, that speech always makes me cry and I'm a sucker for rubber alien suits all over the place :P

I like to imagine that after the sun imploded, it just expanded again a second time, minus evil parasite. We didn't see it not happen so it's reasonable, right? Right? :/

I really want to see the show under a new showrunner just cause I'm starting to get tired of the Moffat atmosphere. It just feels... stale. Give us something fresh. 

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