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Thoughts On Dark Mirror


GregF

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I mut say, Dark Mirror has provoked some of the most interesting discussions and PMs I have seen in my time on here. It has been really interesting to see the reaction to the story, with Tuyet's Toa being branded as "evil" and "corrupt." And yet ... let's consider:

 

"Toa Tuyet announced today that the Brotherhood of Makuta poses a potential threat and should be eliminated before they threaten the peace of the universe."

OR

"The leader of a major nation announced today that the country of Gazistan poses a potential threat to the peace of the Middle East, and preemptive strikes have been ordered against their military facilities."

 

"Matoran are being monitored, and anyone who speaks out in support of the Makuta or the Dark Hunters, or against Toa Tuyet, will be arrested and imprisoned."

OR

"In the interests of national security, security cameras are being mounted in many public places, and telephone calls and email are being monitored for suspicious language."

 

"The Toa have learned the whereabouts of the dangerous Dark Hunters, a gang of criminals, and are moving in to smash their operations."

OR

"The police have learned the whereabouts of the dangerous Daniels mob, a gang of criminals, and are moving in to smash their operations."

 

Would we brand the governments or police in the real world examples "evil and corrupt?" Or would we say they were trying to keep peace? I think the answer is different for everyone ... but it is important to remember just what Tuyet did. She took the basic core belief of the Toa -- that the Matoran must be protected -- and simply spun it that the best way to protect them was to smash potential enemies before they acted. The Makoki stone engravings prove the Toa had suspicions about the Makuta from early on, and the DH had a long history of immoral acts -- so how hard would it be to persuade Toa that they should be crushed? And can you argue that, despite all the negatives about Tuyet's society, Mata Nui is still awake there, and hundreds of Toa and thousands of Matoran who died in our universe, didn't die there?

 

I am not saying she was right, by any means -- but I think it important to understand the world of Dark Mirror. It is a world really governed by the fear of external enemies, the same as many societies in our world are. Instead of finding strength in fellowship, in prophecy, in the three virtues, these Toa and Matoran let fear and hatred drive their actions. The result was shattered Makuta and DH, but also Toa who then became repressive and dictatorial, all in the interests of protecting their people.

 

So the scary thing to me about DM is not Tuyet, or what happened to Brutaka or Toa Naho ... the scary part is that these Toa are not that far removed from the ones we know. The only real difference here is one of philosophy -- the Toa in DM act without provocation, the Toa in our universe normally wait for provocation and then react. The Toa in our universe wish to set an example and be looked at with respect, and so they don't stoop to the lethal level of their enemies; the Toa in DM believe that the best way to protect the Matoran from a foe is to kill that foe and don't care if they are looked at with fear. There are probably some Toa on Tuyet's side who aren't 100% comfortable with what they have become, but they look around and see a universe with no BOM and no real threat from the DH or anyone else, and so they do nothing.

 

Lesovikk is really the one who sees the slippery slope -- who understands that today it's Makuta who have to be wiped out, and tomorrow it's Turaga who object to new laws, and the day after it's Matoran who aren't working hard enough. Fear of enemies, real or imagined, can be used to justify any action, and often have been. Any of us can look back in our history and see instances where otherwise good people sat by and did nothing in the face of repression or even murder, because they believed the victims constituted some kind of threat.

 

So lots to think about in this story, at least for me ...

 

Greg

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Interesting... DM makes Bionicle a lot more like the real world...

Now to decide whether that's good or not...
=P

-Taipu-
(really Bunda)

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You and your writing kick up very many good moral points, Greg. I have to say, it really does please me to see that connections can be made back and forth. It's a thin line, and I don't want to say anything that sparks any political debates on BZP, but I do want to say that your views that you've provided give much room for mature and (now) politically active members to have a very good basis for thinking. I mean, you can't base everything in the Bionicle world on something back in the real world, but it is very helpful to be able to make a deeper connection sometimes.

 

-Taki

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I guess it's the question of how much government is enough. Too much and you get a dictatorship like Tuyet's. Too little and you have a Matoran civil war. Hmm...

 

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I find the scary part that DM sounds like our world. *shiver* Excellent work on this one Greg. Bravo. :)
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There is a fine line between trying to save your people befor they get hurt and using imagined enemies to make your people work harder and trust you.

 

I think Tuyet uses the later

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Yeah, there are secret agencies and governments all over the world that are spying on the population or doing so-called "preemptive strikes", and I think everyone here knows some examples, not only from history, but also from today. But as you said, this kind of governmental philosophy also has its weak spots, e.g. when trying to "protect" the people turns into paranoia (as you have pointed out, everyone could be an enemy next day - Toa, Turaga, Matoran, Makuta etc.). There are nations that proclaim to protect the rest of the world by attacking "enemy countries" for sometimes suspiciously weak reasons. Sometimes, the interference really is justified, but sometimes it is not, and it is the duty of the citizens to stand up to their government if unjustified acts of war are committed, covered by the slogan "We do that in the interest of our national security." There are countries all over the world that have had such regimes, also including my mother country Germany, but to believe that these kinds of governments are a phenomenon of the past is an attempt to close the eyes when looking in the face of the truth: these ideas live on in many political heads, and are present in every state around the world - the population just has to see it.

 

I know this is political, but these are the thoughts you sparked in me, Greg.

 

NtM

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Well, that's similar to what I have been thinking before. :)

 

"Toa Tuyet announced today that the Brotherhood of Makuta poses a potential threat and should be eliminated before they threaten the peace of the universe."

OR

"The leader of a major nation announced today that the country of Gazistan poses a potential threat to the peace of the Middle East, and preemptive strikes have been ordered against their military facilities."

 

"Matoran are being monitored, and anyone who speaks out in support of the Makuta or the Dark Hunters, or against Toa Tuyet, will be arrested and imprisoned."

OR

"In the interests of national security, security cameras are being mounted in many public places, and telephone calls and email are being monitored for suspicious language."

 

"The Toa have learned the whereabouts of the dangerous Dark Hunters, a gang of criminals, and are moving in to smash their operations."

OR

"The police have learned the whereabouts of the dangerous Daniels mob, a gang of criminals, and are moving in to smash their operations."

 

Would we brand the governments or police in the real world examples "evil and corrupt?" Or would we say they were trying to keep peace? I think the answer is different for everyone ...

Of course it is.

About the first comparision: An organisation - if there is evidence that it is evil - has to be destroyed, of course, but killing its members should be avoided, and they should be imprisoned instead. Since the Makuta obviously can leave their armor at any time and possess a new body, it might make sense to seal them in Protodermis, like Teridax 1000 years ago in "our" universe. If there's no other choice, that's a different thing of course, but it doesn't look that way...

About the second comparision: I wouldn't like our state to observe me and all the other people, just because there might be one or two potential terrorist somewhere in their country... That's nonsense. A few weeks ago, there was a scandal in Germany, when some people found out that Lidl, a chain of stores, hired detectives and installed cameras to observe their cashiers and all the other people who worked for them (and customers, of course)...

About the third comparision: I can't really say anything against or in favor of this, since an important information is missing: Will the Dark Hunters simply be unable to do anything bad anymore after that (in prison, for example)? Or will they themselves will be smashed, just like their operations? ;P

 

I think that both things you suggest are correct. In my opinion, Tuyet - and all politicians who would act the same way in the first two cases - indeed trys to keep peace... in an evil and corrupt way. Other people might think different, of course...

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*Oh boy... Any line of discussion popping into my head at the moment could get me in a lot of trouble... Especially your first two points...*

 

I do like that this universe is a little more real world, But I still see it as Communist Russia during the cold war... Only the war ain't so cold in this universe... Comrades...

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One difference I'd like to point out, however relevant it might be. The universe we know and love has, basically, three factions. The Good (Toa and Order of Mata Nui), the Evil (Brotherhood of Makuta), and the group that will act upon the highest bidder (the Dark Hunters). All these factions are fighting against each other, and sometimes they ally with each other to get a common victory over the other group, much like the three superstates Oceania, Eurasia and Eastasia, where until something really critical happens (like the implications of the Brotherhood's current plans), there will not be a winner. That's how I see it.

Whereas, if you look at the Toa Empire Universe, clearly there are only two sides. The Totalitarium rulers of the universe, The Toa, and those Anarchists/Freedom Fighters trying to win the universe back, the shattered Brotherhood and Dark Hunters. Currently, the Toa have complete power, something that no sides in the normal universe has gained yet. And naturally, the Freedom Fighters don't like this state of affairs, and so are plotting to destroy this rule so the universe can be restored to former glory. Referring again to 1984, we have all the high security surveillance and all that jazz, to stop any potential wrong doers doing any wrongs, and I think it's also implied (at least to me) that the prisons there are very much like the Ministry of Love...

The only similarity of affairs I see between both universes is the rule of Teridax in the times before the Great Cataclysm. Dume's Vahki Rule and the Toa Empire are one and the same, they were both very Totalitarium Governments. Maybe you could say the same for Teridax's hold on the Brotherhood (and yes, there is dissent in the ranks there too), or maybe of the Shadowed One over the Dark Hunters (harder to judge...), or even the Leader of the the Order of Mata Nui (but we know little to nothing about him nor the organisation yet). But ultimately, only in the Toa Empire universe have they established such a Dictorial State over the whole world, which no others have in any universe we have seen to date. And are the Toa really doing it for the Matoran? That's what they like them to believe, I feel, but I think it's gone beyond that long ago.

Well...it makes sense to me. :P

 

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Well I know where I am at least you won't get arrested for appearing in the city. :P

 

There are a lot of places through, (including where I live) where appearing without an identity card (of identity tablet :P) will get you fined.

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Oooh..... Greg is doing philosophy now!!!

Excellent job on the DM7. What is the point of the throne of stone, by the way?

 

:t::a::k::a:

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One other thing to add to Greg's very interesting blog post. In the types of societies that he's describing, the rulers exploit fears of the population. That's either internal or external.

 

Internal fear picks a segment of the population and ostracizes them, focuses the wrath of the rest of the people, and uses them as scapegoats. I'm sure you could name any number of groups that have been persecuted that way.

 

External fear rallies solidarity by looking outside your own borders. This mentality is usually driven by a need to conquer others, and needs barbarians outside the walls in order to keep everyone focused. Once you run out of people to conquer, it's more difficult to maintain peace within your borders.

 

So Greg's last paragraph about Lesovikk really rings true to me. It's neat to see him bringing this level of moral ambiguity to BIONICLE. Kind of reminds me of 2001, when we finally found out one of Makuta's first forms... a diseased Tohunga.

 

- Bink

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So Greg's last paragraph about Lesovikk really rings true to me. It's neat to see him bringing this level of moral ambiguity to BIONICLE. Kind of reminds me of 2001, when we finally found out one of Makuta's first forms... a diseased Tohunga.

 

- Bink

 

Thank you so much for saying "Tohunga." :P Brings back memories...

 

Isn't it great how much thought and consideration Greg puts into his stories? I feel very lucky to belong to a fan community where the big guys actually care about what they create and care about fans, rather than it being just some job for them.

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Hi, Greg.

 

In my opinion, Dark Mirror and the other web serials are the best thing to happen to the Bionicle storyline since Teridax impersonated Dume.

 

First, from the point of view of the Bionicle brand: while it's a fact that the toys and comics are primarily aimed at 7 to 12-year-old boys, there still remains a segment of the fan base that is older and more demanding. For them, the added dimension that the web serials and other background stories bring is a great way to maintain their active interest in the brand.

 

Second, I applaud your efforts to bring social significance and food for thought to the storyline. Of course, you've been doing this ever since you started, but the web serials are a new high in this regard. Thank you for the blog entry, too; it means a lot to me that you actively engage the fan base in this type of thought process and discussion. Bionicle is about more than good guys versus bad guys -- it's a grand-scale, complex universe with well-developed, meaningful conflicts.

 

Kudos to you, Greg.

 

-BC

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Well I know where I am at least you won't get arrested for appearing in the city. :P

 

There are a lot of places through, (including where I live) where appearing without an identity card (of identity tablet :P) will get you fined.

 

Admittedly you would be in trouble if you didn't have ID here either, but I doubt the police would announce it as an act of war and be so dramatic about it. :P

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You bring up interesting points Greg.

 

Personally, I think the reason everybody is calling Tuyet "evil", "tyrant", etc... is because we are used to seeing Toa clearly fighting for the "light". You know, the non-killing code and protecting Matoran. Now, we see Toa acting like soldiers and military police - destroying organizations, opposing law and order, shoot first and ask questions later (if they ever do :P ).

 

Is it just me, or does Dark Mirror have a moral lesson? :P Wow....

 

Well, that's similar to what I have been thinking before. :)

 

"Toa Tuyet announced today that the Brotherhood of Makuta poses a potential threat and should be eliminated before they threaten the peace of the universe."

OR

"The leader of a major nation announced today that the country of Gazistan poses a potential threat to the peace of the Middle East, and preemptive strikes have been ordered against their military facilities."

 

"Matoran are being monitored, and anyone who speaks out in support of the Makuta or the Dark Hunters, or against Toa Tuyet, will be arrested and imprisoned."

OR

"In the interests of national security, security cameras are being mounted in many public places, and telephone calls and email are being monitored for suspicious language."

 

"The Toa have learned the whereabouts of the dangerous Dark Hunters, a gang of criminals, and are moving in to smash their operations."

OR

"The police have learned the whereabouts of the dangerous Daniels mob, a gang of criminals, and are moving in to smash their operations."

 

Would we brand the governments or police in the real world examples "evil and corrupt?" Or would we say they were trying to keep peace? I think the answer is different for everyone ...

Of course it is.

About the first comparision: An organisation - if there is evidence that it is evil - has to be destroyed, of course, but killing its members should be avoided, and they should be imprisoned instead. Since the Makuta obviously can leave their armor at any time and possess a new body, it might make sense to seal them in Protodermis, like Teridax 1000 years ago in "our" universe. If there's no other choice, that's a different thing of course, but it doesn't look that way...

About the second comparision: I wouldn't like our state to observe me and all the other people, just because there might be one or two potential terrorist somewhere in their country... That's nonsense. A few weeks ago, there was a scandal in Germany, when some people found out that Lidl, a chain of stores, hired detectives and installed cameras to observe their cashiers and all the other people who worked for them (and customers, of course)...

About the third comparision: I can't really say anything against or in favor of this, since an important information is missing: Will the Dark Hunters simply be unable to do anything bad anymore after that (in prison, for example)? Or will they themselves will be smashed, just like their operations? ;P

 

I think that both things you suggest are correct. In my opinion, Tuyet - and all politicians who would act the same way in the first two cases - indeed trys to keep peace... in an evil and corrupt way. Other people might think different, of course...

 

You have a point about avoiding killing people of organizations and instead imprisoning them. That's the right thing to do in my opinion but let me compare that to a police officer fighting with a suspect. The first thing any police officer would want to do is subdue the suspect so that they can capture them but however if the suspect is a madman with a AK-47. Well then, you're going to have to pull out your rifles and shotguns...

 

Kind of the same thing with Toa. If they can form a team of six Toa with different elements to take a Makuta or two down but what happens if they don't have the right number or combination of Toa in the team? That's the point where you will have to use lethal force unfortunately.

 

This is just my opinion.

 

~SB~

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Intersting take on it. Well, considering you wrote on it, proabably the most accurate take. Good points, there Greg.

 

If you really like us Greg, you'll have either Lessovikk or Takanuva or Pohatu go one on one with Tuyet......

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