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ToM Dracone

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Alongside the incredible, amazing, and truly historic victory of electing Barack Obama President, an enormous triumph of the civil rights movement, that same movement suffered a defeat. In fact, three defeats.

 

California, the second state to formally legalize marriage between same-sex couples, became the first to repeal that. It was joined by Florida and Arizona in banning gay marriage, though those two never formally legalized it to begin with. And that leaves only Connecticut and Massachussets, changing what I said a few weeks ago from "Three down, forty-seven to go!" back to forty-eight.

 

But hey, I'm an optimist! Discrimination like this never stands, even if it takes decades to get rid of it. As Kate Kendall recently said, “We pick ourselves up and trudge on. There has been enormous movement in favor of full equality in eight short years. That is the direction this is heading, and if it’s not today or it’s not tomorrow, it will be soon.”

 

And as Martin Luther King Jr. and many others said, "We shall overcome."

 

And as President-Elect Barack Obama and many, many others said, "Yes, we can."

 

We can what? In this case, end hatred of people who happen to be different than the majority. Establish equal rights for people whose only difference from everyone else is that they happen to prefer something different. They're not doing anything to you! Let them love! And, the harder thing for people to accept, let them enjoy the same rights as you!

 

Because love is always better than hate, and I think we can at least agree on that, can't we?

 

 

Now, the real question, should I leave this open? I would hope people could respect each other even if they disagree, but at the same time this is just slightly on the controversial end of things. Well, this shall be an experiment. Hopefully I won't have to close this, so don't make me (or the blogfolks) have to, okie?

~ ToM

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While I strongly disagree with homosexuality, I know multiple gay friends (IRL, and then there's Seran :P) and I would never want to hurt them.

 

I stand without an opinion.

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So you're for gay marriage?

 

Absolutely.

I am too. :D

Chain quoting is baaad so I'm putting text here.

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So you're for gay marriage?

 

Absolutely.

I am too. :D

Chain quoting is baaad so I'm putting text here.

*places text*

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So you're for gay marriage?

 

Absolutely.

I am too. :D

The government has no right to control who we love and marry. The fact that it didn't pass it absolutely ridiculous.

 

[Edit by ToM: Wrinkledlion commented nicely on this, so I'm leaving this post and his for purposes of illustration, but I don't really want to see anything else come of this. I agree with this post, but this is rather flammable, so...]

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The government has no right to control who we love and marry. The fact that it didn't pass it absolutely ridiculous.

It was the people who voted for Prop 8, not the government. Technically the government was more involved in approving gay marriage against the majority's wishes the first time.

 

(If anyone's wondering about my opinion, I don't care either way.)

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Luckily, most everyone in the Bay Area voted no one Prop 8. However, it seemed that was not enough. :(

 

To those who voted yes on 8, how would you feel if you couldn't marry the person you love?

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I heartily agree with you. As a resident of California and an American I am infuriated to see such prejudice on the same day as Barack Obama's election.

 

Even as I type this I hear the televsion, on which the news is interviewing people who say Prop 8 is unconsitutional. Hear, hear. With luck, the nation as a whole will decide the same.

 

~B~

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It may go against what I've been taught, but if people find love and happiness with a person of the same sex, let it be. There's nothing you can do about it.

 

|MX|

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To quote Alfred Adler;

 

"Is he happy, would you say"? "yes", Elizabeth H. McDowell replied.

Adler then stated, "Well, why don't we leave him alone"

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I... I've just realized I've never disagreed with ToM...

 

 

The contents of this entry, of course, can be added to the ever-growing list of things I agree with him about.

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ToM, I fully agree with you on this. For many, many reasons.

 

If two people love each other, they should have the right to get married. Gender shouldn't matter in something like this.

 

-Kohaku

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Hm...

 

I'll say only that I voted for Prop 102 here in Arizona. I voted on my deep convictions and moral belief in the sanctity of traditional marriage. :)

 

JRRT

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Hm...

 

I'll say only that I voted for Prop 102 here in Arizona. I voted on my deep convictions and moral belief in the sanctity of traditional marriage. :)

 

JRRT

Finally, someone who sees things the way I do. ^_^

 

Tolkien, thank you for standing out. I agree, a lot on the basis of religious beliefs.

 

-CF

And I agree with conviction.

 

I have one question for all you people who voted Obama: What are you expecting from him? What was your thought process when you decided to vote for him?

 

It's not bashing, it's an honest question. I simply cannot figure out why on earth someone would vote for him, and I figured the best way to find out is to ask someone who did.

 

:w:

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Oookay then, I think this is straying a bit far from where I had hoped it would stay. Yes, the (only?) reason people oppose this is on religious grounds, but by the very nature of such we're getting into standpoints that are just waiting to be jumped upon.

 

I'll edit this post with a few more things later today; for now, feel free to PM me if you'd like to comment further!

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