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Vader II


Jean Valjean

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I first felt emotionally directed towards the that one special girl before I ever even saw her. I was friends with a guy, paralyzed, who happened to be her older brother. I cared a lot for him. Then I found out that he had a sibling, and I thought that whoever she was, she must be a very cool person, naturally, having grown up with him. Several months later my infatuation was in gear.

 

Once he graduated and wasn't around in school anymore, I found other reasons for liking her. She's a farm girl, and she works very hard. I've been told that she could easily outwork anyone in the entire school, and would work even if she didn't want to. At the same time, she's tender, loving, and caring, and dare I say much more than everyone else.

 

However, she is not the primary individual I wish to talk about. The subject I wish to address is my father. He's always influenced me in a million subtle little ways, but I got into a conversation with someone I trust, and having brought up the girl I realized that my father has directly influenced me n this area as well.

 

My father was a hardly man. He tells me those glory stories of his childhood, about how hard he had to work and what kind of outstanding character he developed, much unlike my own.

 

There's an idea that girls fall in love with guys that remind them of their fathers. Some people assume the same is true in reverse. In my case, that might have been true. The primary thing I saw in her was her kindness, much like my mother's. At first. Later the first thing that came to mind was how hard working she was for her parents on the farm, and recently she helped build a set in the school theater, and I was in great awe of her character. In this way she captures the best distinctions of my father. Both of my parents, really.

 

A while ago I realized that if there was one person I didn't want to know how I felt, it was my father. As afraid as I am of rejection by her, I'm equally afraid of what he would say. I'm this miserable failure of a son, and I expect to win the favor of such an ideal person. She is this angelic figure in my life, and the more I see good in her, the more I see the bad in myself to be ashamed of, and yet she also inspires me.

 

It occurred to me that she is the child my father never had. She is the person my father always expected me to be. She is what he expects of my sisters.

 

What was my initial feeling when I thought of this? Perhaps amazement, perhaps shock, but for sure the materializing of the idea was dramatic. This means that Father has had an even greater impact on me than I thought before, to be in control of some of my deepest feelings.

 

I don't know what to think of this.

 

In Thought,

Augustus

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She's not your significant other unless you're actually dating. I know you're going to argue with me on this, and say that her meaning to you makes her "significant" or something like that, but you're wrong. "Significant other" is a phrase used to describe the person you are in a mutual, open romantic relationship with. You can't make up new definitions for phrases.

 

I'm sorry, but that really just stuck out to me, more than anything else. Hearing you use such a possessive romantic term for someone you're not romantically involved with is honestly rather disturbing.

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While I agree with Cathexis in that she is not your "significant other", I wouldn't call it disturbing. Maybe that's cause I can relate to your obsessive nature, me also being autistic.

 

I heard that men are attracted to girls like their mother. As far as I can tell, it's more of an urban legend than a truth, but don't quote me on that...

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I'm perfectly empathetic to anyone with autism. That doesn't it all right to obsess over people who've expressed that they're not interested in you romantically. Nor does it make it all right to call that person your "significant other," when they are quite plainly not that.

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While I agree with Cathexis in that she is not your "significant other" yet

 

Yet? She's made it pretty clear she wants nothing to do with Kragggh.

Has she? I didn't see that mentioned in this entry.

 

Be honest, Kraggh. Above all, be honest with yourself.

 

(Yes, I know something of obsessive infatuation myself. If the other person doesn't feel attracted to you, the best thing you can do is just forget about it.)

 

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I'm perfectly empathetic to anyone with autism. That doesn't it all right to obsess over people who've expressed that they're not interested in you romantically. Nor does it make it all right to call that person your "significant other," when they are quite plainly not that.

 

Hmm. I still don't agree that it is disturbing. While Kraagh's obsession certainly isn't healthy (I've been through almost the exact same thing, I'm much happier since I decided to forget about it), it is a perfectly natural revenue for an autistic person. We sometimes tend to obsess more over things that are unattainable. In order to truly empathize and understand autistic people, you shouldn't say that their actions are "disturbing." It's offensive to him, me, and many others. What seems obvious in hindsight is usually the last thing we think of. ;)

 

Though my wording was perhaps not correct in saying "yet." While I wouldn't throw away all hope, there's a time when you'll just have to move on and stop obsessing. Took me a while, but when I stopped, life was overall better.

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Saiph, I understand how autism and Asperger's work. I study it, and I work with kids and adults who have it. I understand that people with autism can act in ways that are socially unacceptable because of how they think. This is perfectly natural, and totally forgivable.

 

But it's not excusable.

 

Plenty of people with autism can lead normal, happy lives. Kraggh is obviously one of those people. This means that he has an obligation to try to work and understand people, same as how everyone has an obligation to work to understand him. This means you can't say "it's okay because he has autism." Kraggh is clearly an intelligent person. He CAN try and understand people. This means he SHOULD. Social faux pas are understandable. Obsessive behavior is understandable. This doesn't make it okay to actually do so.

 

Kraggh is a person obsessing over another person. He needs to stop. I get why he's doing it, and I get why it's hard to stop. I'm totally sympathetic to this. But he needs to at least try and stop, because it's unhealthy. You can't excuse socially unacceptable behavior with "because he's autistic." Kraggh deserves sympathy and support, but he also needs to try and understand what other people want, not just what he wants them to want.

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You can't excuse socially unacceptable behavior with "because he's autistic."

 

...there's a time when you'll just have to move on and stop obsessing. Took me a while, but when I stopped, life was overall better.

 

I'm not excusing him. I'm just suggesting that you're being a bit harsh in calling his actions "disturbing." I'm not condoning it, I'm not saying he should continue obsessing, and I think that it's wrong and unhealthy - but disturbing is a whole new realm.

 

(Dictionary.com)

disturbing

– upsetting or disquieting; dismaying

 

I'm not dismayed by his actions, nor am I upset. But perhaps my personal experience is blocking me here. :/

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