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Just Two More

Posted by Surreality , Aug 31 2010 · 60 views

BIONICLE & BZPower
Sent to bonesiii, who'll pass it on to the BSS for reviewing.

UPDATE: Read this entry, it contains the updated concept.

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As we're all aware, there's been a recent outbreak of complaints as to the overabundance of elements and their seemingly random addition to the BIONICLE storyline. Most members now are strongly against the addition of any new elements within the boundaries of the MU, with the grounds that there are "just too many" of them. And they've got a good point, if the addition is indeed random, and without an initially established final number. So, BSS (and hopefully Greg), I present for your consideration:



This theory will attempt to explain why there is (or could be) a certain number of virtues, legendary powers, elements and hours within one day in the Matoran Universe.

Now, let's start off with one of the most basic concepts of BIONICLE – The Three Virtues:
  • Unity
  • Duty
  • Destiny
There are also three legendary powers in the MU, which in a way could be associated respectively to each virtue:
  • Creation
  • Life
  • Time
Unity brings about creation, as it could be related to building, or constructing. Life can viewed as a duty to the others and/or yourself, depending on your goals. And destiny can only be ufolded within a certain timespan.

So, we've got three virtues, and three principal powers. My primary idea is to have the number three be at the base of all other significant numbers, as each of them is comprised of it. There are six original elements, which were introduced in 2001, and six is divisible by three. We know of ten secondary elements so far, but let's assume that the total number is twelve. Twelve is divisible by both three and six. Furthermore, the complete number of elements in the MU would be eighteen, the product of three and six.

I've composed this chart, enlisting the three virtues, and the hypothetical eighteen elements:


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Moving on, a BZP member recently presented the idea of there being thirty-six hours a day in the MU, with an eighteen-hour night and an eighteen-hour day, and that idea is currently being voted upon. If we assume that that idea becomes canon, then we've got one more significant number in the MU, one that fits perfectly in the virtue/element "matrix." Thirty-six is divisible by each preceding number – three, six, twelve and eighteen, and it completes the cycle of the matrix.

Here's a list of the described equations:



And that is the essence of my theory. With your help and hopefully Greg's approval, we can make this a canon aspect of BIONICLE, and create room for two more elements. I realize that some people might not like the addition of new elements whatsoever, and that's understandable. But if we accept this idea, then such an addition would no longer appear arbitrary and uncalled for, plus such a matrix would pertain to the Great Being's way of work.

Thank you for taking the time to read this. smile.gif

Acknowledgements:


bonesiii, for his idea to associate the three virtues with the three legendary powers.
Zakitano, for his sundial and thirty-six hour theory.




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Mr. Peanuts
Aug 31 2010 04:32 PM
That actually makes a lot of sense. I hope it does become canon-it's an excellent theory, in any case.
The two new elements have to be realistic though (if your theory is confirmed),
Not like "The Green". Living things as an element? I believe Greg could have made that a mask power instead. pirate.gif
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Eljay: Toa of Mangosteen
Aug 31 2010 05:07 PM
I'm not entirely convinced. While this is expertly thought out, I don't truely believe we need anymore elements.

Unless one of them is a handsome, partially insane Toa of Mangosteen tongue.gif

I'll have to give it some more thought. A great theory, no less.

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Phantax ~ Storm Master
Aug 31 2010 05:08 PM
This is very well thought out, and makes a ton of sense! Powers of 3... I like it. I hope it gets added to real canon.

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Well, you see if Greg hadn't canonized Psionics, then the number of secondary elements would've been 9, and that might have worked also. But as it is, I think it would be better to accept this theory. Besides, what are just two more elements, backed up by a well thought-out scheme, compared to the already high number of elements that were all introduced on a random basis?

I think the compromise would be worthwhile. smile.gif

Chrome, I don't really think The Green is such a bad element, as it is basically analogous to Jungle on Spherus Magna. One of the remaining elements could be Sand, since we know Toa of Stone can't control sand. It could work great as a female element, IMO, and it would make sense.
QUOTE(Surreality @ Sep 1 2010, 04:53 AM)
One of the remaining elements could be Sand, since we know Toa of Stone can't control sand. It could work great as a female element, IMO, and it would make sense.


Yeah, it's too bad Greg already decided against that, it would have actually made a pretty good one.

I'm a huge fan of Toa of Density myself, as it's so analogous to a Toa of Gravity, and certainly controls a force of nature.
Come to think of it, that isn't such a bad idea. smile.gif
This makes perfect sense, and two elements, are just what we need. And it's logic the GBs had a plan.


Go, Toa of Crystal! tongue.gif
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*onua nuva* fan
Sep 03 2010 06:57 AM
Your chart's missing Acid.
Radiation? The Earth's magnetic field blocks out radiation from the Sun, so I guess it could be like some opposite element for Magnetism?
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Elephant in the Room
Sep 03 2010 11:41 AM
I'm too lazy to think about it more, so I'll just give a light suggestion to be processed and if needed, filed R for rejected.

What about an element along the lines of Cybernetics? Not sure if this has been suggested before, but out of all elements so far, there's never really been one that could affect software or internal workings of a computer or similar piece of technology.
For example, a Toa of 'Cybernetics' could possess (if you will) a computer or other clockwork mechanism (e.x. The Vahki), and force it to do their bidding. Or maybe, in the case of computers, use their ability to hack/delete/assist/perform shenanigans with it's software.

In addition, they could be able to create simple and temporary cybernetic devices that could perform simple tasks, such as measuring, calculating or even enhancing physical strength or speed of the user.

In combat, a Toa of Cybernetic would be able to use said devices and also disrupt his foe's coordination to an extent because almost all beings in the Bionicle universe have mechanical components. It would be much less effective on a Glatorian than say, another Toa for obvious reasons.

On a large scale, a Nova blast would be similar to a big EMP or something, that catastrophically disorients beings and disables technology.
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Exo-Kahgarak
Sep 03 2010 07:30 PM
I think it would great to finally have Acid as an element, after being shuffled around from element/sub-element/quasi-element/power for years. Other than that, either Sand or Crystal. Probably Sand, as it's the only Spherus Magna element we don't have in the MU.
Acid an element, just sounds weird. I would go for 2 of these

-Sand
-Diamond/Crystal
-Acid
-Speed (yes as an element)

I have thought about color shemes

Sand:
Primary: Tan
Secondary: Black
(Based of the Vorox and Zesk)

Diamond/Crystal
Primary: Silver
Secondary: Grey
(Based of the Silver Toa of Bionicle Heroes Nintendo DS version)

Acid:
Primary: Teal
Secondary: /
(Based on nothing)

Speed:
Primary: Yellow
Seconday: /
(Based on nothing)

I have thought about Twilight...but worthless since we have that seperatly
This is a great theory.

I think we have many suggestions for new elements, but I feel that some suggestions overshadow others. I think that people should look into Steam and Radiation as possible elements. I have rarely seen talk about them.

Steam would make a great element because it can do many things current elements can't. A toa could blast scalding stream, hide from an enemy using steam, make steam around them when in a fight to distract an enemy. There is just so much potential with Steam. We have the liquid and solid form of water, but why not the gaseous form?

I am not a fan of Acid mainly because it is a boring element. It seems like to me people mostly want it to be an element because it was considered a non-toa element for years.

I would like either sand or crystal to become an element, but not both because 1 new earth based element is enough considering we already have 3 others.

I heard from Erebus, that Shadow might not be in the extra elements because it isn't a nautral toa element like the rest of the elements.

If that is the case then we might see 3 new elements instead of 2.
I think that this is a great idea. However, you forgot to mention the three main fragments of Spherus Magna! That might explain why everything revolves around the number three...


Oh, and also, what is the font you used for the images? tongue.gif
I am in love with this idea. Hope it becomes canon. cool.gif
QUOTE(*onua nuva* fan @ Sep 3 2010, 02:57 PM)
Your chart's missing Acid.

I'm still not too sure about that... it's such a problematic element. sleep.gif

QUOTE(Skrilax @ Sep 3 2010, 07:41 PM)
I'm too lazy to think about it more, so I'll just give a light suggestion to be processed and if needed, filed R for rejected.

What about an element along the lines of Cybernetics? Not sure if this has been suggested before, but out of all elements so far, there's never really been one that could affect software or internal workings of a computer or similar piece of technology.
For example, a Toa of 'Cybernetics' could possess (if you will) a computer or other clockwork mechanism (e.x. The Vahki), and force it to do their bidding. Or maybe, in the case of computers, use their ability to hack/delete/assist/perform shenanigans with it's software.

In addition, they could be able to create simple and temporary cybernetic devices that could perform simple tasks, such as measuring, calculating or even enhancing physical strength or speed of the user.

In combat, a Toa of Cybernetic would be able to use said devices and also disrupt his foe's coordination to an extent because almost all beings in the Bionicle universe have mechanical components. It would be much less effective on a Glatorian than say, another Toa for obvious reasons.

On a large scale, a Nova blast would be similar to a big EMP or something, that catastrophically disorients beings and disables technology.

That would work great for a fan fic, you should consider suggesting that as an Expanded Multiverse element. Not sure if it'd work as a canon element, but an EMP nova blast is a sweet idea. biggrin.gif

QUOTE(Filis @ Sep 4 2010, 07:16 PM)
This is a great theory.

I think we have many suggestions for new elements, but I feel that some suggestions overshadow others. I think that people should look into Steam and Radiation as possible elements. I have rarely seen talk about them.

Steam would make a great element because it can do many things current elements can't. A toa could blast scalding stream, hide from an enemy using steam, make steam around them when in a fight to distract an enemy. There is just so much potential with Steam. We have the liquid and solid form of water, but why not the gaseous form?

I am not a fan of Acid mainly because it is a boring element. It seems like to me people mostly want it to be an element because it was considered a non-toa element for years.

I would like either sand or crystal to become an element, but not both because 1 new earth based element is enough considering we already have 3 others.

I heard from Erebus, that Shadow might not be in the extra elements because it isn't a nautral toa element like the rest of the elements.

If that is the case then we might see 3 new elements instead of 2.

Yeah, Shadow turned out to be quite the contradictory Element... we'll just have to wait and see, I suppose.

Agree with what you said about Steam. Ice and Water are essentially one and the same element.

QUOTE(Infra Red @ Sep 5 2010, 05:56 PM)
I think that this is a great idea. However, you forgot to mention the three main fragments of Spherus Magna! That might explain why everything revolves around the number three...


Oh, and also, what is the font you used for the images? tongue.gif

Good call, the three that must be one. I'll see if I could incorporate it into the proposal somehow. smile.gif

And the font is Trade Marker Light, it's actually the original font BIONICLE's been using since 2001. Let's just say I pulled a few strings and got it. tongue.gif
Thanks! I really like that font...
It makes perfect sense, and coupled with the 3 segments of Spherus Magna it works even more.
As for the elements, they are (all the ones we know) things that make up the universe. Yes all as the universe wouldn't be how it is even without Psionics. If nothing thought nothing would happen.

So another fundamental thing of the universe? Along the lines of Sonics, how about:
Smell/Stench
Whichever name works better.
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Aedai Rivin
Sep 09 2010 07:16 PM
^I don't really think an element based on the sense of smell would work.

Great about the 3 chunks of SM and the Elements.

Crystal and Sand should be one and the same. Ever look at sand? It's just tiny crystals. And for anyone opposing Crystal with sand, remember that fire and ice control heat and cold. It's kind of weird but it would work.

Shadow, Acid, and Vaccum for 3 evil elements for the 3 Virtures.

Creation's opposite is Vaccum. (Vaccum is devoid of anything, so no creation)
Time's opposite would be Shadow (End of universe is nothing, and nothing is shadows)
Life's oppsite would be Acid. (Life melts in acid and is also the only physical pair)

So if the 3 normal elements we need are Crystal (with sand included), Cybernetics, and Kinetics/Inertia, We'd be done for elements forever.

NOTE: A lot of this was taken from Elements Topic and most is not my idea.

EDIT:

I was looking at the genders for elements and came up with another numerology thing-

If Psionics, Water, and Lightning are female only that fits in with 3.
If Light, and two of the new ones are both genders, that fits in with 3.
That would make 12 Male Elements, 3 Female Elements, and 3 Elements with both genders.

I am loving this system.

EDIT2: Sort of related, but if there were 100 Makuta in the beginning, then that would make 1 leader and 99 members... Another multiple of 3 thing? Not very helpful but still an idea.

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