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[Basilisk]

Is that the one where people with swords somehow go up against people with machine guns and don't lose horribly?

[.:Advent Aeternale:.]

I believe that holds for at least 3 different Final Fantasy games. (VII, VIII and XIII of the top of my head.)

[Basilisk]

Mm.

Right. If you have a fanbase go for it. I'll just be here. Ranting. About the range of machines guns and their firing and accuracy rates. And the comparative range of swords.

[.:Advent Aeternale:.]

Heh. It's a fair enough rant. I can only try and appease by saying 1. The characters are highly enhanced super soldiers capable of spitting in the eye of physics, and 2. the series is called Final Fantasy .

[Basilisk]

Genetic enhancement doesn't really stop bullets does it? They're still weak fleshy creatures that-sorry. Sorry. Ranting.

Bullets are fas-sorry. Reflex. Reflex.

[The Fourteenth Doctor]

Meh. More of a dragon warrior person meself.

Yes, I insist on not referring to it by dragon quest.

[.:Advent Aeternale:.]

Your love for consideration of realism is quite mighty, Basilisk.

My other option was equally farfetched, but less lodged in genetic enhancement, going the route of a Monster Hunter RPG, set around the coming of the Fatalis. But I can't imagine much of a player-base for that.

[Darth Alex Humva]

I wish there was a point at which we COTRPGers could throw up our hands and just all go run to the local non-bar since most of us are under the age of 21 and have adventures with little basis in reality or physics or crazy moral ambiguity. Go save the princess, fight the bad guy, jump over great chasms, do stuff that is just plain absurd but really rather funny. Sure, every RPG shouldn't be like it, but I really am starting to tire over this constant "physics must be upheld! The enemies must be morally grey and not actually all that evil!"

Those are good elements don't get me wrong, it's just that I sometimes wish for variety.

[The Fourteenth Doctor]

Mario rpg anyone?

Ugh and I have some completely evil villains in something that I cannot reveal.

Edited by Toa Kaithas, Nov 21 2012 - 09:08 PM.

[Darth Alex Humva]

Mind you, when I say really evil villains I don't mean funnel Stalin and go commit genocide, I mean, just, villains. Some evil wizard in his tower plotting to take over the land or marry the princess or I don't bloody know. I'd say something you'd find in a fairy tale, but then I realized I'm thinking Disney and that the Grimm Brothers wrote some pretty dark stuff.

I think what I'm trying to say is an RPG where you can have a fun time and not be that considered about great moral debates. Something you'd find more in an episode of He-Man than anything else.

[Basilisk]

Clearcut villains and heroes makes for sloppy writing. Grey areas make people think.

Thinking is good.

I just can't have any fun with something if I can't take it seriously. It gets old. Fast. To that end, I'll shed whatever and whoever's blood I have to on the altar of realism and logic.

Edited by Basilisk, Nov 21 2012 - 09:33 PM.

[The Fourteenth Doctor]

But sometimes, when my brain is zonkered on morals from reading watchmen, I like to get away from it and stomp the tortoise.

[Basilisk]

You shouldn't be able to get away from it. The world is nothing but grey areas and the fact that most of our entertainment industry focuses on stories and characters who are so painfully clearcut is to blame for a lot of the problems our society is having. Many of us are ta-sorry. Started writing my college essay.

Edited by Basilisk, Nov 21 2012 - 09:42 PM.

[Darth Alex Humva]

Thinking is good, certainly. I'm not saying it isn't. I'm just saying that having a fun romp isn't bad. Not all stories must be deep epics, not all tales must have soul-clinching morals. Sometimes you just want to have an excuse to engage in verbal banter and fight an evil wizard.

[Basilisk]

That's dull. Honestly a story like that couldn't hold my attention for more then a few minutes. I'd have to edit in a deep motive and a good reason for the wizard to be acting that way just to get through it.

[The Fourteenth Doctor]

Meh. I'm rorschach.

In all seriousness, I just like to read an old comic book in between philosophical essays.

[Ymper Trymon]

Mind you, when I say really evil villains I don't mean funnel Stalin and go commit genocide, I mean, just, villains. Some evil wizard in his tower plotting to take over the land or marry the princess or I don't bloody know. I'd say something you'd find in a fairy tale, but then I realized I'm thinking Disney and that the Grimm Brothers wrote some pretty dark stuff.

I think what I'm trying to say is an RPG where you can have a fun time and not be that considered about great moral debates. Something you'd find more in an episode of He-Man than anything else.

Well there goes hope that certain plans for The Gunmen of Leng would satisfy everyone's desire for a little bit of B/W morality.

[Basilisk]

Well, the Moonbeasts aren't so much evil as playing with a completely different set of cards...for the most part at least. I think.

Edited by Basilisk, Nov 21 2012 - 09:58 PM.

[Darth Alex Humva]

I wasn't particularly joining the Dreamlords RPG for its villains, probably because I don't actually know anything about them. I was joining it because I can be a flippin gun slinger with a Telsa coil as a gun and fly around in giant Telsa ships with Telsa computers and Telsa radios and Telsa earthquake machines and Telsa everything.

Telsa is very high on my reasons for joining, with HP Lovecraft directly below him.

[The Fourteenth Doctor]

Clint Eastwood is on the top for me, followed by Tesla and then Lovecraft.

I have to fight the urge to go dirty Harry though.

[Ymper Trymon]

Well, the Moonbeasts aren't so much evil as playing with a completely different set of cards...for the most part at least. I think.

And they're kind of wanting to commit genocide in revenge for an old attempt at genocide, and the humans are doing much the same things, and the Gugs follow the rule of 'Do Unto Others Before They Do Unto You', and...

The Night is pretty unambiguously evil, though. Pretty sure everybody but those affiliated with it are agreed upon its evilness. Everyone who disagrees is Ayn Rand.

[Basilisk]

The Night is certainly evil by our morality. I'm not even going to try to understand it's morality. Not even going to try.

[Ymper Trymon]

Mmh. And I think that, despite his nature as a darker version of the traditional trickster deity, Nyarlathotep is one of the few beings who, when told that he's evil, would shrug and then helpfully pass whoever said that a neat tome that definitely-won't-destroy-your-mind-if-you-open-it. I think he considers himself rather beyond terms like 'good' or 'evil,' though, with our interpretation of his servitude towards Azathoth, 'annoyed' might come into play.

[Basilisk]

Ah yes. Tentative Dreamlands race list.

Humans
Deep Ones
Serpent People
Moonbeast
Gug

There will be more of course.

Edited by Basilisk, Nov 21 2012 - 11:17 PM.

[Ymper Trymon]

Is that just the ones that you have some sort of profile written up for? I know we've discussed rather more than that.

[Basilisk]

Those are the ones I'm planning to do first. There is a lot more but I consider these the major sentient races.

(Gugs added in)

Edited by Basilisk, Nov 21 2012 - 11:21 PM.

[Lord of Adders Black]

But sometimes, when my brain is zonkered on morals from reading watchmen, I like to get away from it and stomp the tortoise.

See, thats how I feel about hard sci-fi. I know you people like to talk about velocities and your fancy molecules, but I play RPGs for the escapism. If I wanted to read an essay on physics I'd talk to my dad about the Hadron Collider

[Darth Alex Humva]

I'd make an RPG that channeled Freelancer, which was a space simulation game that had no such thing as newtonian physics and all sorts of absurd stuff in space, but people loved because it was just that good.

However, I'm no Chris Roberts, so I don't think I could pull that off here. My story telling is subpar as far as these things go and I doubt I could bring any vastly new RPG mechanics to the table.

Edited by Void Prophet Alex Humva, Nov 22 2012 - 10:45 AM.

[Toast of Awesomeness]

Sorry if this the wrong place...

Who do I PM to close Pantheon?

[Darth Alex Humva]

I believe a simple reporting and saying the RPG is ended is sufficient.

I never got Strith closed down, but I think it's past the 30 days revival date so its deaaaaad.

[Basilisk]

In my view, Hard Sci-fi is the only true science fiction. The rest is high fantasy pretending to be science fiction.

Science fantasy if you will.

Edited by Basilisk, Nov 22 2012 - 12:24 PM.

[Ymper Trymon]

Honestly, I have a lot of fun with not-so-hard science fiction, but I usually acknowledge that it isn't pure sci-fi by that point, it's just me jiggling around with things, giggling a handle or two, and just generally wreaking havoc.

[BenLuke]

In my view, Hard Sci-fi is the only true science fiction. The rest is high fantasy pretending to be science fiction.

So, 90% of all science fiction ever published isn't science fiction?

[Basilisk]

Pretty much. Yeah.

[Ymper Trymon]

Yeah, okay, I think it's fair to say that you've got a wee bit of a stricter classification system than a lot of people. There's hard sci-fi, there's goofy pulp-sci-fi, there's sci-fi that just fudges a few things, and then there's science-fantasy.

It's worth noting that high fantasy has some very specific requirements, so it's definitely not fair to say that 90% of all sci-fi is actually high fantasy just because you don't like high fantasy.

[Basilisk]

The only difference between science fantasy and high fantasy is it's excuse. One uses magic and the other uses magic in the guise of science. But I don't think this is the time or the place for this discussion. If you want to argue about fiction, PM me.

[Toast of Awesomeness]

So we're still working on the Vampire RPG, and it's going to happen. But...

I just saw the movie Rise of the Guardians with my little sisters. It was actually pretty good. So, I was thinking. Would anyone be interested in an RPG where you got one character, who could be any holiday or childhood figure from around the world, and play as your interpretation of that?

Edited by Toast of Awesomeness, Nov 25 2012 - 04:43 PM.

[The Fourteenth Doctor]

I actually thought of that before, and I'd play it.

Edited by Toa Kaithas, Nov 25 2012 - 04:45 PM.

[BZP Blade]

Your love for consideration of realism is quite mighty, Basilisk.

My other option was equally farfetched, but less lodged in genetic enhancement, going the route of a Monster Hunter RPG, set around the coming of the Fatalis. But I can't imagine much of a player-base for that.

I'd play a Monster Hunter RPG by FAR. I think I might even be able to convince another member who loves Monster Hunter, and rarely Role Plays to join, just because Monster Hunter. =P Of course, I'm assuming you mean the Capcom semi-RPG series. You do mean the Capcom series, correct?

Not gonna comment on the moral debate, aside from saying that people need breaks from the morality of the world; and that the world isn't all grey itself. There are instances of black or white morality; it's just not quite as common as fantasy books seem to suggest; however... Does it need to be that way, really?

[Darth Alex Humva]

I always found the world to be more a case of black and grey myself. Black and white is... exceptionally rare.

My advice to you, ToA, is to try not to get too sidetracked with other projects. It's one of the reasons it's taking me so long to get any new RPGs out, getting sidetracked can be pretty nasty after a while.

I have a question to the denizens here; in the space RPG, how would you guys feel about a less traditional setup for unit purchasing? Basically, if you buy a spaceship, you don't just say 'I bought a spaceship for X credits.' You actually go to a spaceship supplier and haggal with them for a little while for a price. Same goes for mercs, or equipment suppliers, or what have you. I will not however haggal with you over your groceries.

From my point of view, this makes things a lot more personal and a lot more dynamic. Since the time scale is so stretched out that it's doubtful people will be buying ships that often I can afford to spend the time RPing a car spaceship salesman. It means that buying stuff isn't some arbitrary price; you're going to have a price range, but some shops will sell them for more, some for less. Some with better quality, some with less quality. Makes a much more immersive experience IMO.

But I'm not the end all to be all for these things, so what do you guys think?