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[Ballom]

I thought I'd go ahead and post this topic for discussion of the good old Pokemans, given that there currently exists no such topic for Pokemon. Feel free to discuss anything about this wonderful franchise, its games, anime, etc.

So, yeah, I've spent part of my time during BZP's absence working on EV training several Pokes in White, as well as having a few battles with my brother. How have you all fared in training recently?

~B~

Edited by Than the Moa, Oct 16 2011 - 06:10 PM.

[Dorek]

Huzzah!

I've been having fun with Gen V. I'm really not quite up with EV training, so I need to get back on that; it'll probably help me beat the super train. I can get to the last set of seven, but then I just can't seem to beat that particular line.

Also, I phase in and out of being interested in the Dream World; it needs to get more of the Japanese promotions.

[Uber Bunny]

I got a max attack Jolly Drillbur to make into Excadrill, but with all the commitment (coughcoughlazinesscoughcough) in my life, I can't really EV train it.

[BZP Blade]

I EV trained one Pokemon, that Gible that I had been breeding. Haven't done much else, though I got some trainer card upgrades.I have been updating my C-Gear with the different skins, of course, though I missed the eeveelution promotion. =p

Edited by Blade: Hero of Truth, Oct 13 2011 - 08:53 PM.

[Ballom]

Uber Bunny, I'm sure someone would be willing to take it off your hands if you aren't going to use it. Nice Drillbur, though.I assume it has Sand Rush?

~B~

Edited by Ballom, Oct 13 2011 - 08:52 PM.

[Solo]

EV training doesn't seem like that big a deal anymore to me since I started RNGing my pokes. Can take days to generate one with perfect IVs x-x (only if your bad at hitting seeds like I am)

Also, power items and pokerus can make EV training only take an hour or two. Not really a bad deal then.

Edited by Solo, Oct 13 2011 - 08:54 PM.

[Ballom]

Yeah, I agree. With vitamins I can EV train a Pokemon in around 20 minutes. Also . . . yeah, RNGing sounds painful. I'd rather spend the day breeding for a near perfect Poke, so I have lots of trade fodder afterward.

~B~

[Solo]

Yeah, I agree. With vitamins I can EV train a Pokemon in around 20 minutes. Also . . . yeah, RNGing sounds painful. I'd rather spend the day breeding for a near perfect Poke, so I have lots of trade fodder afterward.

~B~

Breeding for a near perfect is far too inefficient though, chances of getting a 31/31/31/31/31/31 is somewhere in the millions. RNGing is just a way to improve those odds a lot. Though some who are better at it then myself can get a perfect in not time. It really depends on experience.

Also, catching perfects is considerably easier, especially stationary legendaries. RNG breeding is the worst due to frames. NPCs moving is the main problem.

The method while hard to pick up does work and is fun to get a perfect. So far I managed to get myself a perfect Hydreigon, ditto, scizor, and Gliscor (with poison heal).

Can also be used to get shinys too if that's ones deal, though there still isn't a good way to get them in Gen 5. No ones figured out how to guess ones secret ID without some cheating device.

[Uber Bunny]

Uber Bunny, I'm sure someone would be willing to take it off your hands if you aren't going to use it. Nice Drillbur, though.I assume it has Sand Rush?

~B~

Hai. I also have a max speed Sand Rush Jolly Drillbur if you want that.

[Ballom]

Solo -- you can do the breeding as a process of accumulation, though. Breed a random Poke with a perfect IV in a stat as the father with mother of desired species. Breed until another perfect or near perfect IV appears. Then, take the child with the better IVs and replace it with the parent of its gender. Continue the process, and eventually the IVs will stack, paticularly if you get good offspring with opposite genders to pair up. So no, you don't entirely rely on the 31^6 chance of a perfect one magically appearing.

~B~

[Toa Neya]

By the way, just to let you all know, while Nintendo's wifi metagame lacks any bans other than BST 670+ Pokemon besides Regigigas and Slaking, along with all Pokemon only attainable from events, and Sky Drop in multiples battles (due to a glitch,)
here are the current simulator bans:

All Pokemon with a BST of 670 or higher barring Slaking and Regigigas.
along with the following vote bans:

Blaziken
Deoxys (Attack and Normal formes)
Garchomp
Manaphy
Darkrai
Shaymin-S
Excadrill (recently)
Thundurus (recently)

Moody
Having a Pokemon with the ability Swift Swim and another Pokemon with the ability Drizzle on the same team

Notable exceptions (Gen IV Ubers/things Game Freak bans but aren't actually overpowering)

Mew
Wobbuffet
Celebi
Wynaut
Salamence
Latios
Latias
Jirachi
Deoxys-S and Deoxys-N
Shaymin Land Forme
Kyurem

Edited by Toa Neya 2011 Edition, Oct 13 2011 - 10:29 PM.

[~Takava Nirhii~]

Wait, they banned Excadrill? Huh, that's interesting. Didn't really like the thing anyway. Too many common weaknesses.

Anyway, I've been trying to make a good Random Matchup team, but I can't really find good Grass or Electric types to use. Here's what I'm thinking of using:

Garchomp (with unorthodox moveset)
Starmie
Infernape
Weavile

Any suggestions? And is using a Rapid Spinner a good idea in Random Matchup?

[Toa Neya]

The main issue people found with Excadrill is that it tended to put a large restriction on team variety, and it prevented people from running many viable Choice Scarf users to deal with other threats like Dragonite.

Hey, I didn't like Thundurus, but better players found it to be pretty abusable.

For that random matchup team, what format are you planning to use it in? Also, list the movesets, stats, and EVs of your team.

Edited by Toa Neya 2011 Edition, Oct 13 2011 - 10:32 PM.

[~Takava Nirhii~]

I was planning to use it in Singles. Here's the rest of the info. I don't have it built yet, but here's what I'm planning (or kinda planning):

Garchomp Sand Veil Hasty/Naive 4HP, 252Atk, 252Speed Undecided item
Dragon Rush
Fire Blast (For steels and such)
Hone Claws (To boost Dragon Rush and Fire Blast to 100% acc.)
Earthquake

Starmie Natural Cure Modest 4HP, 252SpAtk, 252 Speed Undecided item
Scald
Psychic (for Fighting-types)
Ice Beam
Rapid Spin?

Infernape Blaze Naive/Hasty 128Atk, 128SpAtk, 252 Speed Undecided item
Flamethrower
Close Combat
Stone Edge
Mach Punch

Weavile Pressure Jolly 4HP, 252Atk, 252Speed Focus Sash
Ice Punch
Night Slash
Swords Dance?
Pursuit/Low Kick/Ice Shard?

I'm thinking of maybe using Ferrothorn, but that thing's being used by everyone and their dog, and it doesn't really fit the rest of my team, Protecting and Leech Seeding and all.

So, to recap, I need a good Grass and Electric-type. Suggestions?

[Alyska]

Ahhh... it's good to be back.

When we last left off, I believe we were talking about which Bionicle characters look like which Pokemon. I made this sketch in Photoshop and have been waiting a long time to share it:


Linework is a bit shoddy. This was one of my first drawings with a graphics tablet.

EDIT: GAH! Why is it so big? I thought these forums gave you a resize option...

Edited by Alyska, Oct 14 2011 - 01:35 AM.

[Baltarc]

I haven't played much Pokemon lately. I bred some Zoruas with Snarl using the TRU Zoroark, but that's about it.

[Alyska]

I suppose I may as well share my Subway doubles team. I even managed to beat Emmet with it once:

Tyranitar @ Air Balloon
Adamant nature
Sand Stream
252HP/252Att/6 Spe
-Protect
-Earthquake
-Rock Slide
-Crunch

Landorus@ Rock Gem
Jolly Nature
Sand Force
6HP/ 252 Att /252Spe
-Protect
-Rock Slide
-Fly
-Earthquake

Excadrill@ Focus Sash
Jolly nature
Sand Rush
6HP/ 252Att/ 252Spe
-Rock Slide
-Earthquake
-X-scissor
-Protect

Gyarados@ Lum Berry
-Ice Fang
-Protect
-Aqua Tail
-Earthquake

Main strategy is to spam Quakeslide, but the common weaknesses means there is some prediction involved, especially with Tyranitar's Air Balloon/Excadrill's sash and Fakeout users. I think having Protect on everyone is a good strategy, as it's saved my backside quite a few times (especially when it comes to avoiding Ally earthquakes).

Sometimes it just feels wrong that a team with three weaknesses to water does so well... but, hey, I'm not complaining.

Edited by Alyska, Oct 14 2011 - 04:55 PM.

[BZP Blade]

Alyska: Very nice, I hadn't realized the similarities between Lewa Nuva and Scyther before this, very interesting. =D

As for the resize, I'm not sure... Maybe that functionality was removed with the upgrade? Or that it's something that needs to be re-enabled? Not sure.

[Ballom]

Alyska, the old auto-resize appears to have gone away in this forum version; my blog now has a bunch of oversized images.

Anyway, about that team you're showing ... why does Landorus have Protect twice?

~B~

[afro toa]

Yay! one of my favourite forums is back!
I've been using the dream world feature during the summer. sadly I haven't caught a vulpix or poliwhirl yet.

[Rausaro]

I've been looking into into the Gen V mons...any pokemon I *Must* have?

[BZP Blade]

Excadrill maybe, but apparently it's been banned in typical competitive play(Not official tournaments that means. =P)...

Darmanitan's pretty good too, and can own people very effectively. =P And it's always fun to confuse people with Zoroark. =D

[Rausaro]

Excadrill maybe, but apparently it's been banned in typical competitive play(Not official tournaments that means. =P)...

Darmanitan's pretty good too, and can own people very effectively. =P And it's always fun to confuse people with Zoroark. =D

Yeah... I still haven't beaten the elite 4 in this game. Do they still have EV booster items? I kind of gave up with EV training... I'm going to do most of it on my 'mons in my HG, and THEN transfer them.

[Toa Neya]

I've been looking into into the Gen V mons...any pokemon I *Must* have?

While it isn't a gen V mon, get a female Multiscale Dragonite.

[Senrab]

Didn't play a ton of Pokemon when the forums were offline, but I made a pretty cool Sunny Day team.

[Alyska]

Alyska, the old auto-resize appears to have gone away in this forum version; my blog now has a bunch of oversized images.

Anyway, about that team you're showing ... why does Landorus have Protect twice?

~B~

Because you can NEVER have too much protection!

...eh. Fixed that. One of them is Earthquake. Have to be careful using it when your partner is Tyranitar, but that's where Air Balloon and Protect come in.

Anywaaay, I need help evolving a Poliwhirl and Porygon. If anyone can do an evolution trade with me, I have a number of female Pokemon with Dream World abilities to give you in return.

Edited by Alyska, Oct 14 2011 - 05:15 PM.

[Bundalings]

The only Gen V I have trained is STILL Hydreigon. Pokemon just hasn't captured my attention much lately. And I have a half finished Reshiram, but that's not much use, is it?

Thinking I'll train a Machamp next. Something to go with Trick Room, I think. Which would mean I need to train a Trick Roomer... meeeeeh. Any suggestions for a sturdy Trick Roomer? Something that could heal itself or heal others would be ideal.

[Ballom]

Cresselia, Bronzong, and Slowbro make great defensive Trick Roomers.

~B~

[Zerothemaster]

I played through the final four of Ruby mostly with a lvl 55~ Sceptile.

Then my friend traded me a lvl 85~ Mewtwo and lvl 85~ Alakazam.

I love me some psychics.

[Vartemp]

Over the downtime I have gotten a lot done with my Platinum version, and got a Black version, which I finished. Also I got some to level 100, thanks to the action replay device I got, which also means I can get an unlimited amount of any pokemon.

[Alyska]

Off the top of my head, I have female Dream world ability:
-Vulpix
-Poliwag
-Dratini
-Lapras
-Eevee
-Gligar

I'd be willing to trade someone any of these if they could help me out with an evolution trade.

[BZP Blade]

I would be willing to help; but I'd have to do the trade tomorrow, since it's nearly 9 PM here. =P

And you have a female Dream World Eevee? Is it from the japanese event world that recently ended? Just curious. And what ability does Gligar have? I forget, to be honest. ;

Edited by Blade: Hero of Truth, Oct 14 2011 - 07:58 PM.

[Alyska]

I got a DW Eevee off the GTS (I presume it originally came from the Japanese Dream World), and used it to breed more.

Gligar's DW ability is Immunity, which becomes Poison Heal after it evolves.

[BZP Blade]

Ah, I see, in both cases.

Poison Heal might be a good ability. Haven't really experimented with it, but if it does what I think, it'd definitely be a good way of healing you, provided the Opponent didn't realize. =P

Say. Can you still breed Extremespeed onto Dratini in Gen 5? Specifically onto DW Ability Dratini?

[Alyska]

Yes, you can, but the only possible parent that can have it is a gen 4 Dratini.

Poison heal is a very good ability. What you do is run it with a Toxic Orb, Fling the orb at an opponent to poison them too, then spam Acrobatics, which has 110 base power (plus STAB) when you're not holding an item.

[BZP Blade]

Well yeah, that's what I was trying to hint at. =P And since pretty much every player who knows how to correctly answer that quiz has one, and likely bred it to create more speedy Dratini... >=D

Ooh. I hadn't realized that possibility; now that's genius. And a very good Pokemon. =D

[sirbibbleton]

Uhhh...

I bred a 31 Attack/31 Special Attack/31 Speed Deino and got a Hasty 31 Attack./31 Speed Zekrom while the forum was down, and I still cannot decide which EV spread I should give Deino so it can be a mixed attacker...

I also spent a lot of time in the Dream World, and I haven't been there in a while due to school...

[The God of War]

I bred a 31 Attack/31 Special Attack/31 Speed Deino and got a Hasty 31 Attack./31 Speed Zekrom while the forum was down, and I still cannot decide which EV spread I should give Deino so it can be a mixed attacker...

nature on deino? keep in mind that, what with pokesav and RNGs, perfect IVs aren't such a huge deal nowadays. and mixdreigon isn't the best in the world ever since it has such a fantastic special movepool, and mixmence out-classes it anyways.

@Takava: i'd ditch weavile, since you already have infernape, and the two are played similarly, except weavile is in a lower tier, and he's in a lower tier for a reason.

Edited by ~JC~, Oct 14 2011 - 10:06 PM.

[The Captain]

It feels so good to have this topic back up.

I've been EV training a LOT of Pokemon over the hiatus. I've even leveled up my Hydreigon and Excadrill to Lv. 100 without use of Rare Candies. It's the first time I've ever done that with any Pokemon.

As of today, I have 24 EV-trained Kanto Pokes, 12 Johto, 11 Hoenn, 28 Sinnoh, and 30 Unova.

Now that I have a 3DS, I have WiFi again, so if anyone would like to battle or trade, PM me for a FC exchange. I have a LOT of good breedable and untouched Pokemon left over from breeding for good IVs.

[BZP Blade]

Oh yes, that reminds me, I actually got my Lilligant to Level 100 during the summer. Those EXP Pass Powers really help, especially when you combine it with a Lucky Egg, the trade flag, and mindless Audino farming. =P