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[Kooler186]

I rewatched the MU Movie Trilogy last night and I had a revelation.
(Tahu Mata's Golden Hau was not the true Golden Hau, it was a spare)

Think about it, Mata Nui had multiple fail safes. The Golden Armor though made for Tahu, was most likely given to Lhikan to prevent it from being stolen. Lhikan may have known about the Golden Armor plan, so he took his mask off and pointed to how to escape Metru Nui, so they can give the mask to Tahu as he arived. Lhikan had golden chest, 2 golden shoulders, and his shield was gold. But because Jaller's mask broke, the only spare they had was Lhikan's, so they gave it to him, and Jaller adopted some traits from Lhikan like sacriface oneself to save others. When Jaller died, they islanders kept the mask, and Mukuta was most likely manipulating Takanuva when they were Takutanuva into using half of each of their life forces to manipulate the mask into growing a body, and transporting his spirit back from the Red Star. When Takanuva escorted them to the shadow barrier, Karzahni stole the golden Hau because he knew how important it was, meanwhile Dume hid Lhikan's body just in case his armor would be needed to serve their true purpose. And I believe one of the Toa Nuva tasks was to recover Lhikan's Hau, once they did they completed the collection of golden armor.
The rest is history...

[Chro]

Interesting theory. Very complicated, too... a lot of it seems like a bit of a stretch.
I'm not one of the people who remembers every little detail about the story, but I did find a few faults. Lhikan's shield wasn't gold, although it could have been disguised or something, I guess. I think if he was protecting the armor he'd have the full set. Little nitpick, I noticed that you said Teridax's mind manipulated Takutanuva to revive Jaller from the Red Star, but it's been confirmed that Takutanuva revived him on his own, serving the purpose of the Star in that case. And from that, what would Teridax have to gain, anyway? You could argue that he needed Jaller alive (later as a Toa) for his plan to work, but if that was the case he could've picked someone different... I don't know where I'm going with this. Anyway, interesting theory.

[Dual Matrix]

There are some flaws here:
1) The Golden Armor was created by the Ignika on the day of the final battle, the GB's just learned the Ignika how to do so.

2) Lhikans Hau was, not like in the sets, yellow. I can recall it being called that way in the serials.

3) In time the GB's(who else the Ignika was hidden and Mata Nui was bussy) could have gifted him the armor he was still a Matoran, why would you give a Matoran one of the most powerfull weapons in existence?

4) Lhikans body was not hidden by Dume because Dume awoke after the Visorak and the body was already gone by then. It is confirmed his body is in the red star now.

5) Lhikans Hau was Noble after his transformation in a Turaga whilst the Golden Hau is great.

6) It was not the mata's task to retrieve the Hau, they just did it in honor of Lhikan and because they had to be in Karzahi to face Icarax

7) Karzahi took each mask of the Matoran and replace it to rip them from their identeties

8) How would, after the Mata's collected the Hau, it suddenly fall into possesion of the Ignika, instead the nuva stored the mask on daxia.

I see too many flaws for this theory to work, sorry

[Kooler186]

To Chro: My first sentence said I rewatched the movies, in the movie his shield was gold

To Duel Matrix: The Ignika teleported the Mahri to Metru Nui and allowed them to become amphibious. What prevents the mask from telporting the armor aswell?

[Chro]

Alright. I haven't watched the movies in a long time so I wouldn't know.
Anyway, DM is definitely right (not sure how I missed all those points he made... I blame lack of sleep). While it is possible that the Ignika could teleport a mask, there are too many other holes for the theory to work.

[The Great Being Velika]

Interesting theory, though only based on the hue of a toa's armor. With this evidence, I could say Iruini had the golden armor. Again, I find this interesting, but far-fetched.

[Canis Lupus]

The only evidence this is based on is the color of Lhikan's armor and the fact he has a Hau. But, where is the Golden Chest Piece? Like Dual Matrix said, the Golden Armor was created the day of the battle on Spherus Magna. I don't get this part of your explanation: 'When Jaller died, they islanders kept the mask, and Mukuta was most likely manipulating Takanuva when they were Takutanuva into using half of each of their life forces to manipulate the mask into growing a body, and transporting his spirit back from the Red Star.' What does this have to do with your theory? Finally, recovering the Hau was not one of the Toa Nuva's task, and Dume didn't hide Lhikan's body, it went to the Red Star. Also to Dual Matrix, about your second point, the Hau was gold when Lhikan was wearing it, as masks change colors when being used by different people.

[Kooler186]

To Velika, Iruni dhas no resemblance to Tahu, while Lhikan does, both are fire toa, wear haus, and have some gold on them

To Canis Lupus, both the set and movie Lhikan's have a golden chest

Both the Bionicle Sector and Bionicle Wiki say that the Nuva recovered the mask, so I assume that was one of their missions prior to Karda Nui. I just think the Great Beings would have made sure to ave failsafes to protect failsafes for Mata Nui

[Dual Matrix]

Both the Bionicle Sector and ******i say that the Nuva recovered the mask, so I assume that was one of their missions prior to Karda Nui. I just think the Great Beings would have made sure to ave failsafes to protect failsafes for Mata Nui

They recovered it, no point in arguing that, but it is know exactly what points were on the scroll of preparations, and the Hau was not one of them, they just did that in honour of Lhikan and because they were already at its location to retrieve the staff of Arthaka.

I would refer only to BS01 in the future, that other can be a little non-canon, I'm not even sure if we are allowed to mention it.

[The Great Being Velika]

According to BS01, the Great Beings designed the Armor and then programmed it into the Ignika. Making the idea that the Ignika created the armor more likely, although the teleportation idea isn't totally implausible. But Lhikan just happening to have it is pretty out-there, it's hard to support an entire theory based on the color of a toa's armor. 

[Takua Dragonstar7]

Interesting theory, but that could not work. First, Vakama took Lhikan's mask in memory and honor of him. Dume could not have bid Lhikan's body because he is in the Red Star after being teleported there after he died. Also, the Toa Nuva were not at Karzahni for the mask, they were there for the Staff of Artahka. The Hau just happened to be there, and they took it with them as they were leaving, to honor Lhikan's memory (again).

[T.B.O.C]

To Chro: My first sentence said I rewatched the movies, in the movie his shield was gold

To Duel Matrix: The Ignika teleported the Mahri to Metru Nui and allowed them to become amphibious. What prevents the mask from telporting the armor aswell?

 

That really can't be taken as fact - Movies take artistic liberties all the time, and much of it in character design like that. Also, his shield served as great-words as well, which the Golden Armor's shield certainly did not.

 

Lhikan's Hau was Golden, yes, but it turned to a Noble mask after he transformed into a Turaga (also losing the Chest and Shoulder pieces) The shield was also destroyed by Teridax when Lhikan sacrificed himself to save Vakama (it was absorbed/broken by Teridax's shadow hand)

 

Jaller didn't take on characteristics of Lhikan, more of they were similar people: very brave, and helping to protect others. This culd also be from the tales of Lhii, which could have influenced Jaller to be more like Lhikan.

 

The Matoran kept the Hau because it was a memorial for Jaller, a respected Captain of the Guard, Kohlii player, and for a while there, Herlad of the Seventh Toa.

 

Takutanuva revived Jaller, using Teridax's life-force. Not so sure here, but the only reason I believe Teridax would have wanted this was to keep Jaller alive, to become a Toa, and so on and so forth.

 

Karzahni took the Hau, as he takes the mask of any Matoran who is sent/wanders into his domain, as to strip them of their identity, as a mask would help to be. He probably didn't consider the Hau to be anything but another mask.

 

Dume didn't hide Lhikan's body either. First off, it most likely had been transported to the Red Star by then. Secondly, Dume had no idea Lhikan was a Turaga, or where he would even be at that point, unless he was filled in by the Hordika (unlikely) or after they were transformed back.

 

To retrieve Lhikan's Hau wasn't a one of the tasks that needed to be accomplished.  The Nuva were only there in pursuit of Icarax, who had the Staff of Artahka, needed as one of the tasks.

 

The theory is interesting, but I don't think it's very plausible.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

and Jaller adopted some traits from Lhikan like sacriface oneself to save others.

Masks do not carry traits. They are battery packs for Matoran and the only thing they carry are temporary "blueprints" of the Matoran that was wearing it.

 

Karzahni stole the golden Hau because he knew how important it was

Karzahni had no idea what the Golden Armor would be. Heck, he didn't even know there was a Mata Nui. As far as he was concerned, there was Karzahni, Artakah, and the Great Beings.

 

...meanwhile Dume hid Lhikan's body just in case his armor would be needed to serve their true purpose.

 

Nope. That body's long gone, on the Red Star. Besides, why is it that so many people seem to know about this 'secret' failsafe?

 

Your theory really has no substance; it's just a series of 'what ifs' pasted together.

[Takua Dragonstar7]

Interesting theory, though only based on the hue of a toa's armor. With this evidence, I could say Iruini had the golden armor. Again, I find this interesting, but far-fetched.

Iruini's golden armor had no significance except for identifying him as a Toa Hagah (and protecting him, of course).

[The Great Being Velika]

Interesting theory, though only based on the hue of a toa's armor. With this evidence, I could say Iruini had the golden armor. Again, I find this interesting, but far-fetched.

Iruini's golden armor had no significance except for identifying him as a Toa Hagah (and protecting him, of course).

I know, I was just commenting on the logic of basing an entire theory on the color of a Toa's armor.

[bonesiii]

BS01 says:

 

The design for the Golden Armor was created by the Great Beings and programmed into the Kanohi Ignika, to be created if it ever needed to be used by Toa Mata Tahu.

 

Recently, from inside the Matoran Universe, Tren Krom sent a message from the Core Processor to the Ignika on Bara Magna, which included information about the Golden Armor and the need to devolve Tahu back into a Toa Mata.

 

After receiving the message, the Ignika transformed Toa Nuva Tahu back into his original Toa Mata form and created the Golden Armor for him to use, as per the instructions.

(Emphasis mine.)

 

So, sorry, but this leaves no room for this theory. It's nice thinking, although quite a stretch as far as evidence goes. It would make for a cool fanfic you could write; an alternate history in which Lhikan was aware of this and you could tell of other troubles he ran into about it. I'd encourage making a story about it! But for canon this is not possible; the Golden Armor did not exist when Lhikan was alive (off of the Red Star ).

 

Incidentally, to the point that the books called Lhikan's color "yellow"; the terms yellow and gold are often used interchangeably in English regardless of whether the actual color yellow (nonmetallic) is intended or gold (metallic), so that really doesn't prove anything. I think it's wisest to assume his color was a very yellow metallic, probably more like the movie than the set. In any case, his gold armor was merely armor that happened to have that color, nothing more.

 

Theory disproved, topic closed.

 

NOTE: I'm aware this is BS01's wording and there's a slight chance it could be a mere assumption, but the archives are down right now so I can't search for a direct quote. In general, if BS01 makes a positive statement of fact (especially saying it twice to make it crystal clear), that means Greg at some point confirmed it canon and it should be treated as certain. If hypothetically someone searches the archives when they come back and finds no quote on this I might reconsider, but then again, this is on pretty shaky grounds on the evidence requirement for theories anyways (two things being the same color is so easy to be a coincidence... at best that is extremely borderline as evidence), so probably not.