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I was looking through old threads, and saw a topic I wanted to give my thoughts on but was unable to do so due to it's age and the rules regarding reviving a thread so I decided to give my thoughts on the topic here: You can see the offending thread here: http://www.bzpower.com/board/topic/12862-which-powers-can-affect-voporak/?hl=voporak The reason I make this thread is I believe there are some misconceptions on the nature of Voporak's ability based on the contents of thread, thus I seek to rectify these misconceptions. First thing we must do is establish what Voporak's Powers are, Now obviously his power has something to do with Time, as he can create a temporal field and sense changes in the flow of time. (Due to the Kanohi Vah.) However that leads to an important question. Just what did the staff mean by the word "Time." I believe this is where the misunderstandings arise. So what is time, well according to the Scientific community. (Some are split on what exactly this means but most are in general agreement.) "time" doesn't actually exist, what we call time is simply out observations of objects moving through Space relative to a certain position. And that "time" is simply one or more dimensions of space. (In truth Space and Time are one and the same.) This is understanding time in the framework of General Relativity. However I believe that is not what the Bionicle verse means when they are using "time" in the context of The Mask of Time, and most instances of the word and concept as the whole in the verse. I believe they actually mean time in a more anthropomorphic, ancient, almost mythological understanding. (Which makes sense given the series undertones which I'll go into more latter.) Time in this sense refers to the "Arrow of Time" or how he distinguish the flow of time and the past from the future. What is this difference. The difference lies in the Laws of Thermodynamics particularly the Second Law. This law states that Matter and Energy in a closed system has a tendency to go from a Low Entropy state to a High Entropy state in an attempt to reach thermal equilibrium. (It's why Heat "flows" into Colder areas until both are a uniform temperature unless maintained and isolated from "outside the closed system" an example would be the earth being supplied energy from the sun, without this constant intake of energy, energy on earth would eventually even out and grow stagnant into a High Entropy state.) If you think about it this makes sense in the context of the Bionicle Lore. The three most powerful mask in the Mataron Universe are Creation, Life, and Time. (As in these three forces are the most important and without them the universe would fall apart.) If you think about it all three of them are the three principles most important in understanding closed systems. (The Great Spirit Robot is in essence a self-sustaining closed system, as it was created by the great beings it makes sense they would want to emphasize the rules at work in complex organized systems.) Creation - The Act of putting into order a functioning object in the first place, Life - The Changes and Staving off of entropy to make the system function and perpetuate(Even if in this sense it's in a non biological reproductive way it could be seen as the whole of the Mataron universe as a giant organism and it's repair and maintenance and adapting is the "Life", and Time - The tendency that all things will eventually wear and break down without repair and is in fact inclined to do so. (For example a puzzle(Or a Lego creation.) Will not magically form from individual pieces, however it takes very little effort for them to brake apart and lose their organized form. (Indeed to actually put the pieces together in any complex or meaningful way requires outside effort where it no longer becomes a closed system.) In other words, Voporak does not simply "Speed an objects motion up" or "Fast Forward" otherwise as many people in the other thread pointed out A laser, Gravitational, or Magnetic Wave attack would simply hit him faster not disperse, in same way he should even be able to destroy physical structures, like boulders or weapons since if his power works like General Relativity then it would just make the rocks reach him more quickly. In addition many people in the comments (correctly) state that lasers and Gravity and EM waves don't lose power with time but with distance and the waves hitting objects and other waves per Netwon's Laws and they are right when talking from a standpoint of general relativity. However Voporak cannot create particles to simulate weathering and erosion. (Otherwise his method of defeat by Teridax should have been a non-issue if he could create things out of thin air, but he was unable to since "no amount of time passed would create air where there is none." Thus we are left with the only logical way his power makes any sense is if what the Bionicle verse calls "time" is simply the effects of the "arrow of time." Or making an object go from a Low entropy state to a High One, Turn Order into Chaos. Speed up the Law of Thermodynamics to get closer to Thermal Equilibrium where the energy is stagnant and dissipated and unable to pose a threat to Voporak. Now for some other claims raised by the previous thread comments. One is that Magnetism and Gravity should have worked due to Teridax using Telepathy to dodge Voporak, and reasoning that he must be unable to effect wave attacks since he is unable to dissipate telepathy. Well my answer is that Voporak did not know Makuta was reading his mind and even if he did could not see the telepathic waves or see any signs or tells that Makuta was using them. This makes sense if we assume Voporak can choose what object he "ages" in his field. Seeing has he doesn't turn the ground to dust and fall through it where ever he goes and doesn't deaden all sound and can hear orders from The Shadowed One, this seems a safe assumption. Which means he must identify an object before he can chose to "Age" it. If he noticed his body being binded by Gravity or Magnetism no doubt he would quickly disperse and weaken the waves. As for powers like Anger, or Fear, in the comics and Mask of Life film whenever the Rakshi use their powers they point with their staffs and send an energy projectile. Since the Rakshi's power's come from the Makuta is reasonable to assume Teridax gives a tell that can be read so it's possible to evade or defend against if one has the right tools. Another thing to consider is using a Vacuum to defeat Voporak is a rather indirect way for Teridax to defeat him, since Teridax has 42 Rakshi powers in addition to his strength, shadow hand, and intellect. It's reasonable to assume that powers such as anger, fear, magnetism, gravity, etc would have been unable to effect him otherwise Teridax would have used those, at the very least he was unable to come up with a creative way to use them that might bypass the time filter while in the heat of battle with both Voporak and The Shadowed One. (Seeing how Teridax was injured, lost his wings, and used such an unusual tactic we can assume this is one of the few times Teridax fought seriously and did not hold back as Both Opponents at least together could give him a run for his money and needed to take out the person that could track the Mask of Time which HE NEEDED, at least temporarily.) Thus we can assume based off the context of Voporak's feats and ability description, the philosophy of Bionicle, and Teridax's actions that Voporak's powers are more based on speeding up the Second Law of Thermodynamics and increasing entropy then time powers in the sense of Time Travel, General Relativity, or Alternate Time Lines. As for attacks that can beat him, perhaps anything either immune to the effects of entropy or something with more energy then Voporak can dissipate at a safe rate, perhaps someone immune to entropy or has control over their physical and molecular structure. Similar types of reality warping hax like probability manipulation. If you enjoyed the read check out my first Vs Arena thread where I pit Voporak Against another character with a very Hax like physics bending Ultimate defense Accelerator: http://www.bzpower.com/board/topic/22202-vs-arena-thread-1-voporak-vs-accelerator/ If you'd like to read more on entropy and the concept of the "Arrow of Time" I'd recommend Sean Carrol's book "From Here to Eternity" he uses cleat allegories and examples so even if your not good with the Mathematics of it, (They aren't necesarily to understand the broad ideas.) you can get something out of it.- 2 replies
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