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The tone and style of the Bionicle storyline underwent many changes during its ten-year run. As such, there have been a few retcons and retools along the way, and not all of the old story material is considered canon. Which parts of the early Bionicle storyline make you look back and go "ummm no, that's not how that works"? It may be characterization that seems off, terminology no longer in use, powers or artifacts being used in a different way to how they're supposed to work, or things that are just flat out wrong in terms of what we currently know to be canon. Some of it's awkward, a lot of it's funny, and plenty is just outright weird. The most glaring example for me is all the "Mata Nui awakens this day" in Mask of Light... um, nope, sorry, not for another five years, guys... Was that even a retcon, or did the filmmakers really just not know that Mata Nui wasn't meant to wake up yet? There's a bit of this in the Hapka books, like the fact that the Toa put new masks on top of their old ones, but suvas are never mentioned so you get the impression that the Toa are just walking around with these giant dorky stacks of masks on their faces. Also, Tsundere!Kopaka being a jealous baby whenever Gali pays attention to Tahu. It's hilarious. What were the weirdest things about early Bionicle for you? What are you glad they got rid of? Is there any of it that you think should have been kept in? (*cough* Macku/Hewkii *cough*) Discuss...
This is a poll concerning consolidating four species into two. Before you decide your opinion on this proposal, I encourage you to read all the way through the idea. This sort of retconning is the sort that has been called for frequently. However, for those of you who think these sorts of retcons are silly anyway as Generation One ended five years ago, please be polite to those of us for whom Bionicle’s first generation lives on. A short while back, I was scrolling through the “Simplifying the Species List” topic which got me thinking along those lines. (I’ve always been supportive of the idea of less species, especially when I look at BS01’s unnamed species list, but this made me more serious about the idea.) Not long afterwards, I came up with a theory of my own. Various parts of my idea were discussed in the “Simplifying the Species List (again)” topic later on, although none of them reached the full extent of my idea, yada-yada-yada. So without further ado… Behold!! Here’s my theory: Conjurer is part of the same species as The Shadowed One. Tyrant is part of the same species as Ancient. Both of these races are based on the same island. At some point during the war on Ancient’s home island (which I will refer to as the Ancient War), Tyrant gave up trying to make something of the war. He left the island, found another southern island that he conquered, and harbored plans to add to his kingdom and power. At some point during the Ancient War, Conjurer gave up trying to make something of the war. He left the island, found another southern island that he conquered, and harbored plans to add to his kingdom and power. (These, of course, were frustrated as Matoran make notoriously poor conquering armies.)Points Four and Five are not in the order they happened; they are interchangeable. Here’s the evidence: TSO and Conjurer both have similar heads and builds. Their race is related to, but not necessarily the same as Krekka’s species. Ancient and Tyrant both have similar heads, tails, and claw hands (but not Claw Hands J). The fact that all of them might have been rivals on their island may provide additional reasons why Conjurer and Tyrant are so insolent to The Shadowed One and Ancient. The fact that powers (and to some extent, anatomy too) vary is of no consequence: anyone in the war may have been experimented on or modified, and that says nothing of the possible accidents that happen in Bionicle. Both TSO and Conjurer either claims to have or actually have powers of disintegration. Additionally, Tyrant is impervious to extreme cold and Ancient’s home island is one of “shadows and ice.” Just a thought.Here are the benefits: It would consolidate four species into two. It would increase the significance of both races and also show multiple occurrences of them. As someone else said when I pitched the idea to Greg Farshtey, it would increase the significance of the war, not leaving it as little more than an insignificant conflict with no effects outside of the one island. Expanding on our knowledge of this war would add depth to the events that would result in the birth of the Dark Hunters. Even the Skakdi civil war had its effects on the rest of the universe—why wouldn’t this?I’ve run this theory by Greg and he says he’d be fine with it if the community is. Tell me if there’s anything you need clarified. I may edit this proposal to add new information and evidence. Please do not vote until you’re absolutely certain nothing can change your mind. I only recently became a member, but yesterday I was reading through one or two pages of the What’s up w/ the rampant canonization topic, so I’m well aware of the ideas of both sides. I obviously support canonization to a point, but I do see very good arguments against the LMB activity of late. I will try to make a good effort to sway you in support of this. If this actually does work, I have another theory to consolidate races further, but only if this works. Edit: Okay, I'm sorry. Either only Premier members can make polls or something went wrong. Whatever. Consider this not a poll but a proposal. How embarrassing...
This is a very interesting question to me, because for the first few years of G1, at least to my knowledge, I don't believe there was any mention of their supposed biomechanical nature, apart from one or two erroneous references in the C. A. Hapaka novels. The characters were seemingly assumed to be robots in media like the MNOG and the canceled Legend of Mata Nui video game. The idea that they had organic internal components seemed to come around after the first movie, in which the characters were redesigned with much more organic designs - including mouths, which up to that point had never been depicted on the Toa, Turaga, or Matoran in visual media. Later, Greg added more references in his books, but these references also seemingly contradicted early media. Now, you may ask, what then does the name of the franchise refer to? The term, as we all know, is a portmanteau of Biological and Chronicle. I would argue, however, that this is not a reference to the characters themselves, but a reference to the overarching metaphor for the human body fighting off a virus - which we didn't know about until late in G1's run,but was actually much more central to the story and themes than the physical nature of most of the characters. Thus, it seems to me that the whole notion of Bionicle characters being biomechanical is a retcon, and one that does not fit with the original intentions of the franchise - which was that they were 100% robotic beings. Is there anything I'm not aware of that contradicts the above hypothesis, please let me know. My knowledge of the Bionicle canon has slipped significantly since the days of G1, so I might have forgotten something crucial.
Preface: I felt the need to create this thread because of the number of "canonisation polls" that involve retcons popping up recently (changing element genders, resizing the GSR etc.), and I didn't want to end up posting the same response on every single one of them . So let this act as my response here: How many people here know that not only does Greg not do retcons of G1 story details, but he actually has a rule that makes it impossible for him to ever retcon anything? First stated a few years ago, it basically says "If an answer to a question contradicts an older answer, the older answer is the correct one." I believe Greg originally intended it to stop himself accidentally "forgetconning" details, but it applies more generally, stopping deliberate retcons too. Here is a recent mention of this rule (10-22-2014 08:57 AM), with my own emphasis added: As you can see, this makes it impossible to change any detail that is already part of the canon. For example, if Greg want mad tomorrow and said "It is now canon that Teridax is a good guy," that would not actually become canon because older canon says that Teridax is evil, so Greg would be blocked by his own rule. Meaning that G1 retcons are banned (forever*). No matter how much you may want Greg to change a certain story detail, or how many people support a retcon on a poll, Greg simply cannot change that detail because of his own rule. (I like to call it Greg's No Retcon Rule, or GNRR. ) Discuss!(?) *I would argue that Greg also cannot make exceptions to this rule, because that rule is in itself a form of "pre-established canon". (I have a feeling that he has sometimes phrased the rule as "older answers take precendence", which would definitely include the rule itself, but I don't have a quote to hand...)