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#1 Offline Damaracx Caratas Xarian

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Posted Jun 20 2013 - 09:24 AM

[color=#ff0000;]Since I didn't explain it well in the title or give a more detailed explanation below.[/color]

 

[color=#a9a9a9;]Mata-Nui Online Game or Mata-Nui Online Game 2, which do you think portrayed the areas in Mata-Nui best?[/color]


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Posted Jun 20 2013 - 10:12 AM

I've only played the original MNOG, and I think it portrayed the areas perfectly. 


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Posted Jun 20 2013 - 10:54 AM

Probably MNOG II, since the villages seemed to be so much bigger, and there were more villagers. Ga-Koro was basically like 7  huts in the first one, then it was like a small town in MNOG II.


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Posted Jun 20 2013 - 10:54 AM

I feel outside of the Koros MNOG was perfect.  In the Koros, I've felt neither game was really big enough.  MNOG in particular did not have enough huts to accommodate all the matoran you see.  MNOG 2 looked bigger, but at the same time there seemed less matoran, because everybody was named, there were no background characters at all.


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Posted Jun 20 2013 - 11:17 AM

I pick both

because one was before and the other was after


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Posted Jun 20 2013 - 12:52 PM

MNOG II had more versatility and options for movement, but it was INCREDIBLY HARD to get out of that ice-drift.

 

MNOG I had SO much nostalgia in it, it's art was simple, yet pleasing to the eye. The story was great, and the actions and games were hard, but easy enough to figure out, whereas MNOG II jumped from level 2 to level 10.


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Posted Jun 20 2013 - 02:56 PM

For scenery, MNOG II. It's one of the few improvements made over the original MNOG.


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Posted Jun 20 2013 - 02:59 PM

For scenery, MNOG II. It's one of the few improvements made over the original MNOG.

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Posted Jun 20 2013 - 03:18 PM

Both, for different reasons:

 

In MNOG, I felt that the feel of the koros were portrayed better, while in

MNOG 2, I felt that it better showed the size and population of the koros.


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Posted Jun 20 2013 - 11:13 PM

2 portrayed them better, but 1 is just a better game :P


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Posted Jun 21 2013 - 06:56 AM

MNOLG, undoubtedly. The scenery, action, characters, music and mystery were simply brilliant. I grant it could've been longer with more to see and do outside of the important areas, but that could only have been achieved under ideal circumstances.

 

MNOLG2 suffered greatly from the lack of any real plot or tension, the tedious chores/item making and the difficult to win Kolhii matches. Most of the dialogue was very dull. I also didn't like having all the Matoran named; I don't know why but I feel that lost a lot of atmosphere. The whole thing just wasn't very well planned or executed.


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Posted Jun 21 2013 - 02:39 PM

Both, for different reasons: In MNOG, I felt that the feel of the koros were portrayed better, while inMNOG 2, I felt that it better showed the size and population of the koros.

This all the way. MNOG reinforced a feeling of mystery and exploration; MNOG 2 reminded you that living on a remote tropical island is a lot of work and really isn't glamorous.

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Posted Jun 22 2013 - 12:13 AM

MNOLG2 suffered greatly from the lack of any real plot or tension, the tedious chores/item making and the difficult to win Kolhii matches. Most of the dialogue was very dull. I also didn't like having all the Matoran named; I don't know why but I feel that lost a lot of atmosphere. The whole thing just wasn't very well planned or executed.

 

 

 

MNOG reinforced a feeling of mystery and exploration; MNOG 2 reminded you that living on a remote tropical island is a lot of work and really isn't glamorous.

 

 

Your statements on MNOG2 have allowed me to realize that the game was design to let you feel like a somewhat average Matoran.

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Posted Jun 22 2013 - 03:58 PM

I think MNOG, not just because the gameplay was better, but because the first-person perspective made the whole thing more immersive. It felt like YOU were actually exploring the island, and less like you were just playing a game.


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Posted Jun 23 2013 - 01:10 AM

I agree that MNOLG II was lacking in a lot of things. It offered some good scenery, but nothing that the original hadn't really already shown us, and the lack of a decent plot was also a big problem. But something I realize that bugs me about the MNOLG II: no Toa. No Rahkshi (except for one brief scene). Not even that many Rahi. The only antagonists were the opposing teams. So really, it was wandering around and only seeing Matoran... and then you realized that they never actually released Le-Matoran or Onu-Matoran in 2003, so you couldn't even recreate them. :PBut a fundamental part of the original MNOLG was the Toa and other sets. You'd wander around a village, and most of it was with Matoran and such, but then the climax of each location consisted of an appearance of a Toa and the Rahi they were battling. From a product standpoint, those are the sets they want to sell, and the MNOLG II didn't have them in any cutscenes or anything. Yes, I love the original MNOLG because it focuses mostly on the Matoran, but it needs to include a little interaction between them and their Toa too, right? :music:
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Posted Jun 23 2013 - 08:01 AM

Another thing I noticed: When you ask Nokama "Who am I?" in MNOG, she gives a kind of inspiring response about finding your own destiny. When you ask Amaya the same thing in MNOG II, it's just, "Oh, you're Hahli. You make flax."
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Posted Jun 23 2013 - 09:05 AM

Another thing I noticed: When you ask Nokama "Who am I?" in MNOG, she gives a kind of inspiring response about finding your own destiny. When you ask Amaya the same thing in MNOG II, it's just, "Oh, you're Hahli. You make flax."

Maybe that's because Hahli and Amaya are good friends and Amaya thinks that Hahli is kidding. If I were Amaya, I would think that Hahli would be joking.


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Posted Jun 23 2013 - 09:19 AM

 

Another thing I noticed: When you ask Nokama "Who am I?" in MNOG, she gives a kind of inspiring response about finding your own destiny. When you ask Amaya the same thing in MNOG II, it's just, "Oh, you're Hahli. You make flax."

Maybe that's because Hahli and Amaya are good friends and Amaya thinks that Hahli is kidding. If I were Amaya, I would think that Hahli would be joking.

 

 

I think he's using this to make a point about the different tones of the games. MNOLG is mystical and intriguing, MNOLG 2 is simple, bare and mundane.


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Posted Jun 23 2013 - 09:38 AM

 

 

Another thing I noticed: When you ask Nokama "Who am I?" in MNOG, she gives a kind of inspiring response about finding your own destiny. When you ask Amaya the same thing in MNOG II, it's just, "Oh, you're Hahli. You make flax."

Maybe that's because Hahli and Amaya are good friends and Amaya thinks that Hahli is kidding. If I were Amaya, I would think that Hahli would be joking.

 

 

I think he's using this to make a point about the different tones of the games. MNOLG is mystical and intriguing, MNOLG 2 is simple, bare and mundane.

 

But still. Nokama somewhat knew what happened to Takua, Amaya didn't know what happened to Hahli.


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Posted Jun 24 2013 - 12:04 AM

MNOLG II portrayed the island better, but the first one is best


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Posted Jun 24 2013 - 01:11 AM

It really depends on which parts you're asking about.

 

For example, MNOG's portrayal of the entrance to Ga-Koro and of the waterfall are IMO superior, as well as the underwater scenes, but MNOG2 had a really cool hut for Nixie and cool primitive machinery:

 

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I think of it like this -- if any place is shown twice, just pick the one that looks the coolest. (In terms of images I'm choosing for my Bionicle history retelling, anyways, so sorta my personal headcanon plus what I expect most people's would probably be based on preference.) So imagine that the reality is a mixture of the best parts from both.

 

Therefore, neither is the best in terms of portrayals of the appearance of the setting. They both have their moments. :)

 

Overall I would probably give more "wins" to MNOG because even though it lacks sometimes in enough detail to be believable (like villages whose number of huts you could count on your fingers, despite having populations of about 166), pretty much ALL the images are COOL. MNOG2 by contrast has some imagery that is cooler than MNOG1 but also has several that IMO are fairly bland on their own. Often they give detail apparently just for the sake of being realisticish rather than entertaining. I would rather live in a strict MNOG1 version of the island than a strict MNOG2 (I'm not talking about the chores stuff although the same holds true there too).


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Posted Jun 24 2013 - 06:32 AM

I prefer MNOG's portrayal, mostly because the island outside of the villages looked better and it overall felt more natural and like the Mata Nui I think of.


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Posted Jul 21 2013 - 08:15 PM

I prefer MNOG 2, because I think gameplay is more exciting, plus there's a nostalgia factor, since MNOG 2 was the first one I played.


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Posted Jul 22 2013 - 02:54 AM

I feel outside of the Koros MNOG was perfect.  In the Koros, I've felt neither game was really big enough.  MNOG in particular did not have enough huts to accommodate all the matoran you see.  MNOG 2 looked bigger, but at the same time there seemed less matoran, because everybody was named, there were no background characters at all.

[color=#ff0000;]I don't know.  Having a bunch of random Pakari users everywhere did fell kind of weird.  XD[/color]


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Posted Jul 22 2013 - 07:15 PM

I honestly can't decide between the two. They both have their strengths and weaknesses when it comes to portraying the island of Mata Nui. Ultimately, I think MNOG does a good job of introducing us to various locations, while MNOG2 expanded on what we already knew.


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Posted Jul 23 2013 - 10:36 AM

 

I feel outside of the Koros MNOG was perfect.  In the Koros, I've felt neither game was really big enough.  MNOG in particular did not have enough huts to accommodate all the matoran you see.  MNOG 2 looked bigger, but at the same time there seemed less matoran, because everybody was named, there were no background characters at all.

[color=#ff0000;]I don't know.  Having a bunch of random Pakari users everywhere did fell kind of weird.  XD[/color]

 

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[color=#006400;]MNOG 2 pretty much beat the prequel, in my opinion.[/color]


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Posted Jul 23 2013 - 03:44 PM

[color=#006400;]MNOG 2 pretty much beat the prequel, in my opinion.[/color]

[color=#ff0000;]COULD IT BE!  Some one who doesn't dislike MNOG 2 because of it having many glitches?[/color]


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Posted Jul 24 2013 - 06:34 AM

[color=#006400;]MNOG 2 pretty much beat the prequel, in my opinion.[/color]

[color=#ff0000;]COULD IT BE!  Some one who doesn't dislike MNOG 2 because of it having many glitches?[/color]

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Posted Jul 24 2013 - 09:28 AM

 

[color=#006400;]MNOG 2 pretty much beat the prequel, in my opinion.[/color]

[color=#ff0000;]COULD IT BE!  Some one who doesn't dislike MNOG 2 because of it having many glitches?[/color]

 

 

The abundance of glitches in the online version shouldn't be what people judge the game on. And besides, there is an absolutely glitch-free, 100% able to be completed offline version of the game readily available to download from several places.

 

If you look at the game from a standpoint of the actual gameplay, story, etc., MNOG 2 was very good actually. In my opinion, it will never compete with the original MNOG for several reasons, but it is still my second favorite BIONICLE game. I really wish Lego would have renewed their contract with Templar so more of these games could have been made. 


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Posted Jul 24 2013 - 09:55 AM

I disliked MNOG 2 because of the difficulty and tedium, not the glitches. 


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Posted Jul 24 2013 - 10:39 AM

I disliked MNOG 2 because of the difficulty and tedium, not the glitches. 

That's what I disliked about it also. I still love the game, but it can't hold a candle to MNOG because of those flaws.


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Posted Jul 24 2013 - 12:49 PM

I disliked MNOG 2 because of the difficulty and tedium, not the glitches.

That's what I disliked about it also. I still love the game, but it can't hold a candle to MNOG because of those flaws.

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Posted Jul 24 2013 - 02:17 PM

If you look at the game from a standpoint of the actual gameplay, story, etc., MNOG 2 was very good actually.

Pretty sure Syber's response was in reply to the topic question (which really ours should stay on-topic to as well :P), which was specifically about the appearance of the villages and Wahi, for the record.


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Posted Jul 24 2013 - 03:10 PM

I think MNOG wins for me, as that was the game that full on pulled me into the fandom.

 

I liked the scenery and ability to get items in the second one, plus the exploring angle, but the Kolhii games were a bit too difficult for me. I also like the epic cutscenes of the original.


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Posted Jul 24 2013 - 03:54 PM

Map/Village accuracy wise, MNOG 2. Play factor wise, MNOG no doubt.


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#37 Offline fishers64

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Posted Jul 24 2013 - 04:04 PM

IMO the MNOG portrayal of the island is better - more realistic, as opposed to MNOG 2, which felt all cartoony. Especially Ga-Koro. 


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Posted Jul 24 2013 - 11:53 PM

I preferred MNOG more. There was more atmosphere in the art.


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Posted Jul 25 2013 - 12:05 AM

 

I disliked MNOG 2 because of the difficulty and tedium, not the glitches. 

That's what I disliked about it also. I still love the game, but it can't hold a candle to MNOG because of those flaws.

 

Those flaws weren't the only reason I prefer MNOG, though. I liked the portrayal of the island and the characters better in MNOG, I most definitely prefer the dialogue in MNOG over II, MNOG had more of the trademark 2001-2003 BIONICLE mysteriousness, and while MNOG II was quite tedious at times, I never felt that way in MNOG.


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Posted Jul 25 2013 - 02:48 PM

Even in regards to the villages and Wahi, I feel MNOG was superior. Even if it's just because of the first person perspective, the villages in the first game felt more organic and real, as opposed to feeling like video game screens where you could only travel in the four cardinal directions. I also preferred the look of locations in the first game. For example, Ta-Koro in MNOG2 felt like a generic castle, whereas the gloomier, alien look of it in the first game inspired more wonder and awe.

 

I can't say which portrayed it more accurately or which one was more "canon". But Mata Nui in the first game felt more compelling, more unique, and more real than the comparatively lifeless portrayal in the sequel.


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