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#1 Offline Makuta_of_Oz

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Posted Aug 08 2013 - 05:30 PM

In the 2001 comic Triumph Of The Toa, Tahu was attacked by a pair of Nui-Rama, who picked him up, flew him high and dropped him. Without the Mask of Levitation, Tahu had to resort to heating the air below him to break his fall and allow Onua to catch him.

 

I was thinking, couldn't Tahu have possibly used his Hau to break his fall and save him from injury? If so, what may have happened?


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Posted Aug 08 2013 - 05:34 PM

Well, then due to the abrupt stop of the shield hitting the ground, he'd still be killed. Best way to survive was probably to fira a massive amouth of fire down, but since there were other toa there, I don't know.
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Posted Aug 08 2013 - 06:02 PM

Some interpretations of the Hau's sheild (namely MNOG) do show a gradual slowing rather than sudden impact -- if that is correct, then it might have helped (but he would have likely sped up to or nearly to terminal velocity first so it would still be worse IMO... of course, he could try both). However, MOL depicts it as a solid wall, and it's not clear which is right. If the latter, then DM is right that it should be just as deadly.

 

It's also possible it simply doesn't count as an attack. I mean you'd be defining an entire planet as the attack. :P He's the one moving, so... I dunno.


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Posted Aug 08 2013 - 10:07 PM

I don't think that would work. It would still halt his fall far too quickly for it I think.


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Posted Aug 08 2013 - 10:52 PM

The force of the impact on the shield would have abruptly weakened the shield, and his mental concentration would have been severely disruted, or he would have to let his concentration go into overdrive to sustain it.

If he did not come off physically handicapped, then mentally. I think Tahu just wasn't well-versed enough to do it at that point in time. :shrugs: 


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Posted Aug 08 2013 - 11:17 PM

The force of the impact on the shield would have abruptly weakened the shield, and his mental concentration would have been severely disruted, or he would have to let his concentration go into overdrive to sustain it.

If he did not come off physically handicapped, then mentally. I think Tahu just wasn't well-versed enough to do it at that point in time. :shrugs: 

 

I think that's the least of his worries. The issue isn't that he's hitting the ground, it's how abrupt the stop is.


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Posted Aug 08 2013 - 11:24 PM

And an abrupt stop means a huge decelaration, which his shield may or may not survive, and also the physcal jolt onhis body(assuming it works that way), hence the physically-handicapped part.


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Posted Aug 08 2013 - 11:30 PM

And an abrupt stop means a huge decelaration, which his shield may or may not survive, and also the physcal jolt onhis body(assuming it works that way), hence the physically-handicapped part.

 

The shield is virtually irrelevant in this situation. It doesn't matter how the fall stops, just how abrupt it stops.


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Posted Aug 09 2013 - 12:09 PM

 

And an abrupt stop means a huge decelaration, which his shield may or may not survive, and also the physcal jolt onhis body(assuming it works that way), hence the physically-handicapped part.

 

The shield is virtually irrelevant in this situation. It doesn't matter how the fall stops, just how abrupt it stops.

 

Agreed. Tahus heating of the air didn't work instantly so he didn't break his back plus I bet it required alot less energy to use.

Funny how smart the Toa are, and I thought that great heros don't pay attention in class :P


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Posted Aug 09 2013 - 12:14 PM

Funny how smart the Toa are, and I thought that great heros don't pay attention in class :P

Heh, yeah, that's been a major theme of Bionicle. It's ironic since the setting was so primitive, yet the Toa were employing fairly advanced physics knowledge (although even a bonfire can illustrate this principle... I guess it really is about how much attention they gave). Of course, they also still retained much of their training. :shrugs:


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Posted Aug 09 2013 - 01:20 PM

 

Funny how smart the Toa are, and I thought that great heros don't pay attention in class :P

Heh, yeah, that's been a major theme of Bionicle. It's ironic since the setting was so primitive, yet the Toa were employing fairly advanced physics knowledge (although even a bonfire can illustrate this principle... I guess it really is about how much attention they gave). Of course, they also still retained much of their training. :shrugs:

 

 

It may have been instinct... I'm guessing the way things happened that he probably didn't have much time to think. 

Maybe his first reaction was to burn everything that is causing a problem.  :shrugs:


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Posted Aug 09 2013 - 02:29 PM

The shield can't overcome the force of Gravity. Remember when Nuuvok-Kal attacked? Shield =/= elastic bouncy ball. :P

 

 

 

Funny how smart the Toa are, and I thought that great heros don't pay attention in class :P

Heh, yeah, that's been a major theme of Bionicle. It's ironic since the setting was so primitive, yet the Toa were employing fairly advanced physics knowledge (although even a bonfire can illustrate this principle... I guess it really is about how much attention they gave). Of course, they also still retained much of their training. :shrugs:

 

 

It may have been instinct... I'm guessing the way things happened that he probably didn't have much time to think. 

Maybe his first reaction was to burn everything that is causing a problem.  :shrugs:

 

BURN STUFF? :P

 

Burning everything that was causing a problem is inconsistent with the idea that he remembered his training, though. :shrugs:  


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Posted Aug 09 2013 - 02:51 PM

The shield can't overcome the force of Gravity. Remember when Nuuvok-Kal attacked? Shield =/= elastic bouncy ball. :P

 

 

 

Funny how smart the Toa are, and I thought that great heros don't pay attention in class :P

Heh, yeah, that's been a major theme of Bionicle. It's ironic since the setting was so primitive, yet the Toa were employing fairly advanced physics knowledge (although even a bonfire can illustrate this principle... I guess it really is about how much attention they gave). Of course, they also still retained much of their training. :shrugs:

 

 

It may have been instinct... I'm guessing the way things happened that he probably didn't have much time to think. 

Maybe his first reaction was to burn everything that is causing a problem.  :shrugs:

 

BURN STUFF? :P

 

Burning everything that was causing a problem is inconsistent with the idea that he remembered his training, though. :shrugs:

 

True, Probably not it.


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Posted Aug 10 2013 - 03:01 AM

This is an incredibly specific conversation topic.

 

Whatever. I guess shields would be like putting a metal wall between you and the ground.


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Posted Aug 10 2013 - 09:27 AM

It would be more like holding an actual, physical, shield out to break your fall.
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Posted Aug 10 2013 - 12:51 PM

It seems to me that the shield would be able to "block" the ground, possibly with the effect of bouncing itself into the air and straining Tahu a bit... but on the other hand, are we sure that Tahu was thinking of the ground as an "attack?" The Hau seems to operate on its wearer's perception - if the wearer doesn't think of something as an attack, then the shield lets it through.Now, I think that the shield itself could potentially absorb the impact of a fall - it has been shown absorbing attacks without transferring their force to Tahu. This high up, though, it's more likely that Tahu would lose his focus, the shield would break, and he would still smash into the ground.
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Posted Aug 10 2013 - 03:23 PM

it has been shown absorbing attacks without transferring their force to Tahu

This is a good point to bring up -- we don't know if there is any transference at all. It may simply be that it wasn't depicted. But if there isn't, then it would do nothing at all to slow Tahu's fall.


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Posted Aug 10 2013 - 05:57 PM

But it's still a sudden stop. Unless it could slow him down it wouldn't matter.
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