If Kra-Matoran with an inner light balance would seem symbolically contradictory, surely Av-Matoran with an inner shadow balance would seem symbolically contradictory too?
No; like I said, construction was to be emphasized more than demolition. It's that point that I meant would be contradictory with having Matoran of the element of Shadow, not versus having an inner balance. The whole post was meant to be taken in context to make that clear. But sorry for the confusing wording. Was in a hurry at the time.
So shouldn't any Kra-Matoran be wholly balanced by Av-Matoran?
Since being constructive was the emphasis, no. The "balance" here would only be symbolic -- a being with the inner light/shadow balance will not be compulsorily led to destroy like the Shadow Matoran of 2008. But it might confuse a being (whether sapient or not) and cause more glitches anyways (or more temptation). In fact this is probably part of why they started out with Av-Matoran (although a more relevant part is probably because this was before the lights came on in the MU, so they were their own flashlights lol, with their small light power).
Something that occurred to me for some reason while typing the above is -- I wonder if despite the challenges of an imbalance, the GBs imagined their programmed AIs would possibly drain themselves of light anywhere a focused demolition crew was needed? That way, there could be Shadow Matoran anywhere at any time if necessary (by the 2008 definition), which may have seemed more efficient than a regular, inner-balanced tribe with the element who is thus only symbolically attached with the demolition idea. (This would require a strong certainty that they would submit to something like a Klakk reversal of the light draining once the job was done, though.)
Another thing is, the Makuta themselves were sort of the Kra-Matoran replacements -- with the actual ability to use the element, not just have a Matoran's minor ability. They might simply have felt it would be redundant, since having Matoran of Shadow implies you may get Toa of Shadow.
You could argue the other way too, for destructively creating, i.e., the group devoted to building glitch and start making loads of things that you don't need.
Sure, though here's where caution about the "construction/demolition" theory needs to come in. Umbra was intentionally created with no moral shadow, but we don't see tons of arts and crafts littering the 777 stairs. (I would take that to mean pure inner light doesn't force you to go around making tons of stuff anymore than a Shadow Matoran goes around destroying everything, but those kinds of glitches might be made more likely.) Not that this is really relevant to your point; yes, that kind of glitch is possible too. But they might feel this would be far less of a problem, for good reason!
If I think of it in the context of the GSR and an organism, this is almost like a cancer, in that you have uncontrolled cell growth
Maybe, though they would generally be making things out of other things, and then maybe recycling things they'd already made. But anyways, the track you took that point along really isn't what I meant; just that the GBs might feel having the Matoran -- the maintenance workers -- have an element symbolically associated with destruction would send a rather mixed message. Having powerful scientists associated with demolition (without the GBs knowing they were fully sapient) may make much more sense, though they would rarely do that themselves.
(btw not sure Ice is the "opposite" of fire just assuming).
Cold is the opposite of heat. So sort of. The other parts are flammable materials (unsure if necessarily gaseous, could be liquid or even dustlike) turned into a plasma, and water, which don't in and of themselves sound very opposite; a true opposite is a lack of the other, but different types of matter aren't really opposites to others.
I don't get how making Makuta was preferable (and their initial task was actually creating Rahi, not destroying.
Right, but they, too, were intended to have an inner light/shadow balance. The actual element would be seen only as a tool useful for some parts of demolition work and thus symbolic of that work in general. If they ever actually did destroy old stuff, they'd more likely use various others of their many powers. It makes sense to have your most powerful demolishers have their main job be about making things, if you want your universe to emphasize construction rather than destruction. (Plus, even if they were to later on, as things started to wear out more, and new Rahi were less necessary, move more to the task of regular demolitions, which is not at all confirmed, real-life demolishers will have to be clever about making the right tools to aid in the task, like well-controlled explosives, and some of that might apply in the MU.)
They're much, much more powerful and are IMO a greater threat if they went [rogue]
Yes, but that would be the case of anyone given the power to handle the large demolition jobs, even if that was strictly by tools. The sheer enormity of some of the parts of the giant robot that could eventually wear out might require individual beings to weild such a wide range of destructive powers.
Keep in mind that even under the construction = light, demolition = shadow theory (which is mainly theorized to explain the inner shadow since GBs wouldn't want there to be evil, not the outward elements themselves), it's assumed there are other effects of the inner polarities, some of which might even be more relevant, like how they relate to each other. But I don't think much discussion has yet gone to what those other effects might be in a non-fully-sapient vision by the GBs of the MU, so I refer to that theory mainly for convenience to try to offer answers. It isn't an easy, automatic fit to all the evidence.
more intelligent (I think)
Not necessarily; I'd say just more oriented toward active scientific research, rather than everyday maintenance. They may be a bit smarter, though.
and more knowledgeable (compare the significance of Teridax's Plan with something like the Matoran Civil War on Metru Nui).
His (second, successful) Plan was only made possible by a revelation from Tren Krom, though. (And oddly he never actually thought of it until trapped in the protocage, though the slumber part of the original Plan was pretty bad too.) Plus, being focused on scientific research would naturally tend to make you more knowledgeable about some things, though I imagine many in or trained in Ga-Metru for example might be more so, or roughly parallel (but not sure that was entirely GB-intended either...).
Further to the "more emphasis on creation was needed when the MU was being built"; fine, maybe - I can certainly see the logic in that. But once the MU was complete, this state would be unbalanced
All maintenance work is focused on the creating side, though -- the destruction is then just seen as a means to the end, a necessary step before you can install the new part, and/or beneficial for recycling purposes rather than just throwing things into a junkyard. And when I use the word "constructive" I mean it in the full sense of the word -- not just "making stuff" but doing good; the entire MU was about a vital task, so having things in it that emphasize destruction might not be that great. They might also have kinda learned their lesson from the Baterra fiasco.
So, being constructive, even just for making stuff, doesn't really stop, though it would slow down, as long as stuff keeps wearing out. Plus, beings with a balance wouldn't feel unusually compelled to do either; they would be naturally at peace doing other jobs just to keep themselves running and stuff until needed for actual maintenance eventually.
But once the MU was complete, this state would be unbalanced, so you'd then want Kra-Matoran (with an inner light balance as you say of course).
But really, why? Balanced Kra-Matoran don't give an especially significant advantage to demolition in their non-glitching state. Not even sure what their elemental trait would be, actually, but I doubt it would be very directly destructive. The benefit would be symbolic only, and it would seem impractical to have to have them move where needed, when Matoran of any element could do that job probably just as well, just to maintain the symbolism. It's a practical universe, as intended.
you'd then want Kra-Matoran (with an inner light balance as you say of course). Why have Makuta + Shadow powers (they have loads of other powers mind) to balance things when you can just have Kra-Matoran and be done with it?
Well, continuing along the lines of the previous paragraph, Makuta have teleportation powers, so they will be able to rapidly get to wherever an unusually skilled demolisher is needed, far better than a Matoran. Plus having your demolishers use powers is probably way safer, assuming nothing goes wrong with their minds, to the demolisher. Matoran would have to use tools, bombs, careful deconstruction by hand and later melting, etc. so they'd have to get in and around the big, dangerous parts more, and be more likely to be accidentally crushed and the like.
That's less a problem considering some of them would become Toa of Shadow, but still, big demolition tasks make sense to later on be assigned to bigger users of the element associated with it.
But this is probably getting a bit too theoretical-upon-theoretical... It may just be that they wanted powerful scientist dudes to make Rahi, and protect themselves against their own creations if things went wrong, and decided while they were giving them a bunch of powers, why not have one be an element associated with them, and then thought having someone else also have it would be unneccessary, and picked Shadow due to the significance from the inner system.
As for what would happen if a Makuta glitches to go rogue, probably other Makuta would be assigned to hunt them down, or Mata Nui would be expected to intervene, or Toa would be expected to team up in large numbers to take them on. If the whole group went rogue, probably more Mata Nui than anything else, though there are things which work as safeguards against Makuta -- the Plasma element is especially effective for example.
Iron, too, once they turned to a gaseous form. May even be that their natural transformation to that state after a while was part of such a safeguard, as the GBs may have thought that there could be a period between when most needed Rahi were made and before major parts started to wear out where inaction might drive more to glitching. So now Iron could easily break their armor and Plasma could destroy them.
I thought the Makuta didn't even have elemental Shadow powers until they gave up their inner light. They just had the limited Kraata power of darkness, which is just an antidermis property. As a result, I think the GBs didn't want shadow in their universe. At all.
Hm... I'd like to know if that's true (first sentence) -- if only because in my retelling I assumed they did get the element of Shadow naturally. I suppose it makes sense that way.
Though, I wouldn't say they didn't want the element in their universe, or they wouldn't have made it (they didn't want Sand in their universe ). But they may have wanted it to be available to anyone anytime it was really needed by intentional draining of inner light (presumably temporary).