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#40801 Offline Albannach

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Posted May 04 2013 - 05:24 PM

[color=#b22222;]Natural consequence of having planned a plot twist ages ago, I guess.[/color]

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#40802 Offline Maj. Spoilers

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Posted May 04 2013 - 05:26 PM

Well, I've approached Draezeth's Marine guy now (Suran). Hopefully that will goad me in the right direction of wherever this "meeting of the Marines" may take place.

I technically joined the Marines yesterday, so I'm not the best person to get you initiated, but I'll do what I can.


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#40803 Offline Voutok S'Tythe (Ray)

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Posted May 04 2013 - 05:53 PM

I meant more along the lines of getting directed to and making contact with the remaining Marines and such, so yeah.
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#40804 Offline Maj. Spoilers

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Posted May 04 2013 - 06:37 PM

I have no idea where the rest are.
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#40805 Online Silvan Haven

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Posted May 04 2013 - 07:49 PM

Since nobody ever posted about the main force of the Marines showing up during the massive fight, they would all be at the Marine HQ. Or killed by all the one-shots, but I figure those were just the really bad Marines that had that happen to them.

 

You could probably say that they were gearing up and started out too late.


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#40806 Offline Riku Tryon

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Posted May 04 2013 - 08:09 PM

Or, you know, you can consider the fact that traditionally lots of police officers (Marines are the police force, so this applies) are deployed to large scale events like inaugurations. Which is what that event was meant to be. Ketan was to be instated as leader of the village, so there would be lots of security. Which means that the troops there were the main force.

 

This is simple logic. Plus, you seem to be forgetting that it wasn't that the Marines were slaughtered in open combat (Though considering the fact that they were up against a team of Toa that they all but revered, they would have been in open combat anyway), they were caught off guard. It was a surprise attack.


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Posted May 04 2013 - 08:23 PM

There were only a few Marines killed. The Commander, one who got spitted on and arm and a squad that got a cauldron of hot stuff dropped on their heads. Only a couple of them were caught off guard when they were killed.

 

There were Marines there, sure, but not as many as you would probably see at say, a governor's inauguration.

 

I'd rather go with what I said then the conclusion that three or so Toa killed all the defenders of an entire koro.


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#40808 Offline Riku Tryon

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Posted May 04 2013 - 08:25 PM

Obviously they didn't kill an entire koro, assuming that is simply nonsense. But it is quite likely that a signifiant number of marines were killed. Taking into account the number of individuals likely present for the event, and the low amount of time needed to dispatch more to the scene, it is almost certain that a significant portion of the force perished.


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#40809 Offline Athmos

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Posted May 04 2013 - 08:27 PM

And these are Matoran up against Toa. Just saying.


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Posted May 04 2013 - 08:31 PM

And these are Matoran up against Toa. Just saying.

 

How many times does it have to be said that this part doesn't really matter at all in this game?


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Posted May 04 2013 - 08:33 PM

And these are Matoran up against Toa. Just saying.

 

Tarnok v. Liacada, Sulov v. Vortixx, Sulov v. Rahkshi, Sulov v. Toa, Sulov v. Anyone, Trakuda v. Rahkshi.... Need I go on?


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Posted May 04 2013 - 08:35 PM

Suran is a Lesterin and in the Marines.
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Posted May 04 2013 - 08:43 PM

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Posted May 04 2013 - 09:12 PM

Keep in mind that the Daedra quickly turned against each other, so the Marines' primary concern changed from defending themselves to evacuating civilians and securing the docks from the rest of the village, to keep the threat contained. Why enter a battle when you can just wait and let your opponents take each other out?


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Posted May 04 2013 - 09:47 PM

So where is each of the sins right now?


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Posted May 04 2013 - 09:57 PM

I think Decacia is in the sea somewhere, Kynaera on a lilypad ... Greed's on a lilypad too ...

 

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Posted May 04 2013 - 10:10 PM

And these are Matoran up against Toa. Just saying.

 

Tarnok v. Liacada, Sulov v. Vortixx, Sulov v. Rahkshi, Sulov v. Toa, Sulov v. Anyone, Trakuda v. Rahkshi.... Need I go on?

Funny how half of those are Sulov ;)

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Posted May 04 2013 - 10:40 PM

There are a good deal of Toa in each of the Guards, they are not made up entirely of Matoran. And I never said that they killed the entire koro.

 

Of course, this is also partly me trying to come up with a way they did not run roughshod over Friar Tuck's guide and then start kicking it.


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#40819 Offline Visaru

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Posted May 05 2013 - 12:49 AM

And these are Matoran up against Toa. Just saying.

 

How many times does it have to be said that this part doesn't really matter at all in this game?

It does matter. 

 

Obviously, the skill of your writing is vastly more important, but the Toa is more likely to win with all of their extra powers and stuff. Saying it doesn't matter at all is just wrong. 


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Posted May 05 2013 - 12:55 AM

Visaru has it right. If both players are playing intelligently and have their characters fighting well, then according to all rules of realism, the guy with awesome superpowers wins just about every time.


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Posted May 05 2013 - 03:03 AM

Not considering outside interference, of course.


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#40822 Offline The Lorax

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Posted May 05 2013 - 03:20 AM

True, true. There are an awful lot of factors in and around battles that can influence that outcome. Given the right conditions, it is possible for a being without magical powers to beat a being with magical powers. I'm not denying that.

But having powers helps. A lot. Especially if you're clever with them.


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Posted May 05 2013 - 08:57 AM

No, in fact, it really doesn't matter if you have powers or not, even if you're clever with them. Because it's always possible for the other person to stay a step ahead, or always out of your reach. They might have set traps, they could have led the unsuspecting person into a nest of angry Rahi, they might just have gotten away unharmed.

 

Really, saying that having powers matters is like saying the Empire's technology mattered on Endor.


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#40824 Offline Albannach

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Posted May 05 2013 - 09:13 AM

No, in fact, it really doesn't matter if you have powers or not, even if you're clever with them. Because it's always possible for the other person to stay a step ahead, or always out of your reach. They might have set traps, they could have led the unsuspecting person into a nest of angry Rahi, they might just have gotten away unharmed.

 

Really, saying that having powers matters is like saying the Empire's technology mattered on Endor.

[color=rgb(178,34,34);]It mattered, because the bigger they are, the harder they fall.[/color]

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Posted May 05 2013 - 09:15 AM

Fair point.


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Posted May 05 2013 - 11:09 AM

No, in fact, it really doesn't matter if you have powers or not, even if you're clever with them. Because it's always possible for the other person to stay a step ahead, or always out of your reach. They might have set traps, they could have led the unsuspecting person into a nest of angry Rahi, they might just have gotten away unharmed.

 

Really, saying that having powers matters is like saying the Empire's technology mattered on Endor.

Always staying a step ahead, or sometimes even knowing something's gonna happen...wouldn't that be meta-gaming?


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Posted May 05 2013 - 11:38 AM

No, in fact, it really doesn't matter if you have powers or not, even if you're clever with them. Because it's always possible for the other person to stay a step ahead, or always out of your reach. They might have set traps, they could have led the unsuspecting person into a nest of angry Rahi, they might just have gotten away unharmed.

 

Really, saying that having powers matters is like saying the Empire's technology mattered on Endor.

Always staying a step ahead, or sometimes even knowing something's gonna happen...wouldn't that be meta-gaming?

[color=#b22222;]He didn't say these people would "know something's gonna happen". He said they'd have previously prepared.[/color]

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Posted May 05 2013 - 12:19 PM

[color=#4b0082;]So I've been seeing Ta, Ga, and Le-Koro mentioned a lot here, but can anyone inform me of who is currently taking charge of Ko-Koro's defences?[/color]

 

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Posted May 05 2013 - 12:22 PM

No, in fact, it really doesn't matter if you have powers or not, even if you're clever with them. Because it's always possible for the other person to stay a step ahead, or always out of your reach. They might have set traps, they could have led the unsuspecting person into a nest of angry Rahi, they might just have gotten away unharmed.

 

Really, saying that having powers matters is like saying the Empire's technology mattered on Endor.

Yes, of course it's possible for a powerless person to defeat someone with powers. I'm not arguing that. 

 

But it's harder for them to win. Powers matter. They change things. They make the powerless combatant have to take a different strategy. It forces them to be more cautious. 

 

Really, saying that having powers doesn't matter is like saying a Jedi is no better than some stormtrooper.

 

 

 

[color=#4b0082;]So I've been seeing Ta, Ga, and Le-Koro mentioned a lot here, but can anyone inform me of who is currently taking charge of Ko-Koro's defences?[/color]

 

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Nobody is. There hasn't been much activity there.


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Posted May 05 2013 - 12:38 PM

@Vorex: You are, of course. Didn't anyone tell you?


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Posted May 05 2013 - 12:40 PM

@Vorex: You are, of course. Didn't anyone tell you?

[color=#4b0082;]...[/color]

[color=#4b0082;]welp, I guess we're all screwed[/color]

[color=#4b0082;]time to join those ILF folks and hope the Rahkshi just turn around and walk away or something[/color]

 

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Posted May 05 2013 - 01:58 PM

[color=#4b0082;]So I've been seeing Ta, Ga, and Le-Koro mentioned a lot here, but can anyone inform me of who is currently taking charge of Ko-Koro's defences?[/color]

 

The Sanctum Guard, probably. The Toa Ancora are there too, though some of their number are busy evacuating Matoran from a collapsed bank.


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Posted May 05 2013 - 02:34 PM

[color=#4b0082;]So I've been seeing Ta, Ga, and Le-Koro mentioned a lot here, but can anyone inform me of who is currently taking charge of Ko-Koro's defences?[/color]

 

The Sanctum Guard, probably. The Toa Ancora are there too, though some of their number are busy evacuating Matoran from a collapsed bank.

 

Too busy to prepare against an entire legion of Rahkshi on their doorstep? :P


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Posted May 05 2013 - 02:44 PM

No, in fact, it really doesn't matter if you have powers or not, even if you're clever with them. Because it's always possible for the other person to stay a step ahead, or always out of your reach. They might have set traps, they could have led the unsuspecting person into a nest of angry Rahi, they might just have gotten away unharmed.

 

Really, saying that having powers matters is like saying the Empire's technology mattered on Endor.

Yes, of course it's possible for a powerless person to defeat someone with powers. I'm not arguing that. 

 

But it's harder for them to win. Powers matter. They change things. They make the powerless combatant have to take a different strategy. It forces them to be more cautious. 

 

Really, saying that having powers doesn't matter is like saying a Jedi is no better than some stormtrooper.

The harder to win argument is already covered by the fact that the being with powers is bigger and stronger as it is. And saying it requires them to have to take a different strategy is only in the event that the powered being is a surprise.Saying that the powers actually matter is like saying that the Death Star is more powerful than Palpatine.


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Posted May 05 2013 - 02:51 PM

I'm not entirely sure if that last one was supposed to be sarcastic.


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Posted May 05 2013 - 03:05 PM

Too many Star Wars references, this argument has.

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Posted May 05 2013 - 03:08 PM

Too busy to prepare against an entire legion of Rahkshi on their doorstep? :P

 

The Guard can prepare; it's not the Ancora's job to lead the defence of the village. There are Matoran buried alive that need to be rescued. It's the classic argument between saving the few or saving the many.


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Posted May 05 2013 - 04:03 PM

Too busy to prepare against an entire legion of Rahkshi on their doorstep? :P

 

The Guard can prepare; it's not the Ancora's job to lead the defence of the village. There are Matoran buried alive that need to be rescued. It's the classic argument between saving the few or saving the many.

 

Indeed.  I was joking, anyway :P  They don't seem like the most utilitarian bunch.


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Posted May 05 2013 - 04:04 PM

Is the Sanctum's exit into the Drifts well known? The ILF could have the civilians gather shelter materials, and evacuate them there.


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#40840 Offline Tahakki

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Posted May 05 2013 - 04:15 PM

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say no, powers actually don't matter. We're playing a role-playing game, but the RP bit is far more important than the G, chaps and chappettes. We're writing a collaborative story here, nobody actually gets to win. There's no real destination, so try and enjoy the journey, yeah? The point of this is to enjoy writing about your character and help tell a story that everyone will remember.

 

My memories of the old BZPRPG are some of the fondest I have of any literature in any form, and it's completely nothing to do with who "won". I played a one-armed Matoran, for goodness' sake, and I had a blast getting the living daylights kicked out of me by other players' characters - not necessarily because they were more powerful or 'better' than mine, but because it made a better story. The only competition in the old game, as I remember, was trying to write better and better posts. From what I've seen, a lot of your writing is excellent. Make that your primary tool, not your MEGA AWESOME SWORD OF +13 FIRE.

 

If you want to discuss tactics and the like, do it in-game. Not every character is going to be a tactical genius. You're not some deity pushing a pawn around, you are the pawn.

 

Just a grumpy old man giving his two cents... :)


Edited by Tahakki, May 05 2013 - 04:15 PM.

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