Wow, I've been here for about 2 days, and I've gotten band-waggoned against because I said I find it difficult to connect with a gay in a film.
This is a forum so supposedly uptight and family friendly that we can't even swear, but I'm seeing flaming everywhere. Not a good start.
I haven't got time to respond to everyone's complaints, so I will justify everything I said chronologically.
Mata Nui being destroyed during the great spirit robot fight on Spherus Magnus was terrible, after ten years of storyline aswell, it's a bit like watching a whole film only for the character to wake up and it "all was just a dream", The End. Mata Nui was my favorite storyline arc, as I believe it was for most people, and destroying it was downright offensive. In fact, I refuse to accept it as canon.
The above quote is one of two misinformed suggestions I made. I was under the impression that Mata Nui had been destroyed during the robot fight finale, not on Aqua Magna earlier. I thought Mata Nui was inside the great spirit robot's head. I was talking about the Mata Nui island, I thought it was destroyed in the spirit robot fight. I don't care about the GSR robot itself.
The Bohrok Kal were defeated badly I think, it seemed cheesy and.... Disney. It all built up to that point, then the Toa just focus their energy? How about no.
How difficult is that to understand? If you liked it fine, but you must see where I'm coming from. It's very cheesy because the Toa focused on "unity", it's just magic, it isn't properly explained, it's a childlike and very basic teamwork morale.
Infact, everything after Mata Nui. I love Bionicle as it is, but it could have been much better if they had stuck to Mata Nui for longer...
Nobody complained about that.
Stars Tahu was appauling. It didn't match the old Tahu models, and his jaw stuck out of the bottom of his mask, making him look goofy.
Nor did anyone complain about that.
All the different Makuta, over one hundred of them, what? ONE Makuta took several Toa teams and several story arcs to defeat, but the other 99 are defeated by a few Toa in the space between Voya Nui and Spherus Magnus? How can 99 Makuta be so much weaker than Teridax?
So the Makuta killed themselves / Teridax arranged it. Fair dues. That was my second misunderstanding.
Bionicle: The Legend Reborn was horrible too. It didn't follow the same design as the first three films, the sounds were cheesy, it was cheesy in it's physics and alleged humour, and they all had Americanised voices. The film and story was too quick, and it barely made sense, despite how simple it was in essence.
Nor did anyone disagree with me there.
The whole ending of Bionicle was ridiculously quick for such an epic storyline.
Nobody complained about me saying that.
The idea of all the different islands being housed inside a robot was pretty bad. It doesn't make sense according to the laws of physics, and it also means the planet the robot stands on must be absolutely massive.
This legit bothered me. If you lot are so attached to your nostalgia you want to find ways to justify it then that's fine, but this is an obvious weak point in the story. If the robot is as tall as earth, Spherus Magnus must be ridiculously big.
Takanuva's voice in The Mask of Light also bothered me, it was too high, and while I don't mean to hate on gay people, it made it much harder for me to connect with the character.
Why did everyone freak out over this one? I'm not scared of saying anything, and people who don't say certain things due to being afraid of surprising other people are lying to themselves, and that is a weakness in oneself created by conformity, which is a destructive cycle because it creates the impression that certain subjects are a taboo to talk about, which is silly. We can talk about this maturely. I have a high voice too, and I am dead scared of it, so the masculinity flame was pretty close, actually. Takanuva is supposed to be a Hero, and for the purposes of the film, his high voice distracted me and ruined it. It made him sound gay is what I said, though perhaps a little more subtly. Don't try and tell me gays with high voices is a stereotype, I know gays in real life, and this is true of them. Gays often have high voices, so I made the link with Takanuva and gays, which ruined the film for me. I don't dislike gays, I am not cruel to them, I have no problem with them doing whatever they want, but when they're rights infringe on mine, that is an atrocity. Because Takanuva sounded gay, I couldn't connect with him easily, feel empathy for him, etcetera. You could extend that to saying I couldn't feel empathy for gays if you're really intent on making me out as a Homophobic. That may be true, but regardless of whether I feel empathy for someone, I still have to be nice to them, like you might be with your boss. It's not my fault if I don't feel empathy with them, we are not the same. We are similar, yes. I am not hating on gays, I am saying I could not connect with a gay character in a film, or a character perceived as gay. Telling me Bionicles don't have sexual interests doesn't change anything, the Bionicles in the film are voices by real people for cinematic purposes, and that means we will pick up on their tone of voice. Takanuva sounded gay to me. That is how I perceived him, and it reduced my capability to put myself in his shoes. This is nothing to do with Homophobia. I can deal with gays, more than most people do, I've been in a couple fights defending them because it affects me when I see other people ganging on them. I'm just saying I don't want to watch films with gay people in them because it means I can't understand the character anymore. That is my right, and noone should have a problem with it. Maybe you all misunderstood me, but now I've explained myself fully, I hope you don't have any more problems with the various factors that stop me from enjoying a film.
The Red Star seems silly to me, if someone is dead, they're dead, also it never seemed properly explained to me. The fact that Toa such as Nikila were supposedly "revived on the red star never to come back" seems disrespectful to me, just a cop out of saying they're actually dead. I mean, what sort of existence is it, shooting lightning bolts every now and then? I don't understrand the red star at all, it can't literally be a star, because if the Toa Nuva teleported there once, they couldn't teleport into the middle of a blazing ball of gases. So is it mechanical, like a death star? They never expained it properly, and for that, I think the Red Star was rubbish.
I get that now based on how other people have explained it, or atleast a bit more, but I still think it's unneccessary. Regardless of how early Greg planned the GSU, I would have preferred Mata Nui be a completely natural island in a natural world... that would have been so cool. The Red Star itself though seems like a cheat out of characters dying as they would in real life.. I know the story behind it, of it not working and stuff.
On topic, other people have mentioned "The Legend of Mata Nui". Is the beta available for download anywhere, as I hear it was distributed in the Toa Mata canisters in limited amounts?
That's a shame to hear.
I have no qualms with the first three movies though, I liked them, and the online animations, and the MNOG were LEGENDARY.
Nobody quoted me on that.
That's everything. Sorry if I sounded blunt and rude, but you just ticked me off pretty badly. I hope you don't genuinely have any problems with me, I have better places to spend my time, and I won't spend it at a forum where everyone else is busy flaming me for something I didn't actually say.
Infact, just to make sure, I'm going to quote everyone.
Uh... what does the pitch of someone's voice have to do with whether they're gay or not? This is a confusing sort of point to bring up.
Has everything. High pitches sound gay. Takanuva sounded gay. Gays often have high pitched voices, which is why Takanuva sounded gay; high pitched voice. This is a simple observation.
Confusing and homophobic. As a general rule, if you have to preface a statement with "I don't mean to hate on [group], but...", it would probably be wiser to just keep your trap shut.
If you are still confused, feel free to read my full post. Perhaps I worded it wrong be saying anything about hating on gays, I was trying to avoid a difficult topic before you guys plunged in head first. I was talking about gays, I said I didn't like a gay voice being in a film, and I don't believe that is hate. If you do believe that is hate, then I'm sorry, but I think you might need to grow a tougher skin. Nor am I homophobic. I'm amiable to gay people, more so than most, and I've already said that I've defended them before. Not wanting to hear their voice 24/7 is not a phobia.
Maybe I'm paranoid, but I can't help but feel you are having a dig at me there.
Here are yours:
Honestly, you seem to be misinformed about a lot of things, though your homophobic comment was the worst of the bunch.
I am misinformed about a lot, I think I understand more now, about the location of Mata Nui island, the Makuta, etceterta. That can't be helped with a 10 year storyline.
I refuse to accept any negligence on the part of my "homophobic" comment. You can read what I said to everyone else if the following doesn't satisfy you: I don't like their voices, and I don't want it in a film. I don't have any other problem with gays, and I am very amiable to them, just like I would be anyone else.
*Destroying the Mata Nui arc? Are you referring to the island itself or the robot? If you meant the island, then it absolutely had to be destroyed for the great spirit robot to wake up, because it was on top of its face. That was the point of the entire eight year story. If you meant the robot, it was possessed by Teridax at the time; what would you have preferred?
You are probably the only person who realised I was talking about the island. I thought it was inside the GSU's head like Metru Nui. Silly me. I would have preferred Mata Nui be the entirety of Bionicle and screw the entire GSU plot, but we can't have that, so the current storyline is good enough.
I really do not see how you can compair an ending of Disney with the defeat of th Kal.
The Bohrok are very alien in nature and anatomy compaired to anything else from Spherus or the MU, so they had to be defeated in a very differant way.
I thought that the whole "powerless Toa that are supposed to be more powerful than a regular Toa reduced to helplessly bystand while doom works its hand" scenario pretty enticing.
The way the Bohrok were defeated was like magic, the message seems to have been "teamwork".
It reminds me of the old pokemon film where Ash dies and all the pokemon cry and bring him back. It's that cheesy.
Bah, I think he's just so insecure about his own masculinity (though probably not his sexuality) that if someone's voice isn't "manly" enough, he can't see them being straight... now we're getting into a different topic altogether, but in any case, it is a pretty dumb thing to say.
It's dumb that I don't like high pitched, gay voices? Why, going by your logic, you are discriminating against those of a lower intellect by suggesting that my opinion which you found negative was comparable to "dumb". Also, that was blatant flaming.
That should do.
Please, don't do that to me again. I won't stay. So much effort.
Like I said, apologies if I sounded cranky, some of those messages ticked me off for being ten times more ignorant than anything I've ever done or said. Thanks for the information on the Brotherhood of Makuta, and the Red Star anyway.