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I remember reading the Greg wouldn't reveal "The Shadowed One's" real name because of fan backlash due to the revelation that the Makuta of Metru Nui was named 'Teridax.'

I don't get why people were annoyed by that name. It sounds pretty awesome. Think about it:

"Oh no, our universe has been taken over by...Teridax!" -cue lightning created by Teridax since he's in control of Mata Nui's robotic body until that fight that ended up with him killed by an asteroid.

I mean, at least it's not Tuma.

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It had nothing to do with the name's sound or type; the "fan backlash" was due to the reveal of a name for Teridax, who didn't have any personal name beforehand. Many of the fans felt that a lot of the magical and unknown mysteries of his character were lost by giving him a name.

 

Now, my question is; what's wrong with the name "Tuma"? If the greedy, scheming Makuta who plotted, and eventually succeeded, in taking over the MU, was named "Tuma", then that character would still be a very good villian. If the brooding, prideful, leader of the Skrall who was defeated in less than a minute by a guy half his size was named "Teridax", then would still be a very bad villain, as in unsuccessful at villainy.

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The name Tuma sounds, to me, like the name of an idiotic brute. Not the Tuma from, say, Empire of the Skrall. Legend Reborn, maybe.

But that's just me, and a few of the multiple voices in my head.

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It might be that names simply don't bring as many associations to my mind as they do for you. I've never been the sort of person to visualize people or fictional characters based on their names, though there isn't anything wrong with doing so.

 

I used to imagine that all of the other Makuta would call Teridax by the title "Makuta" only; even though they were all Makuta, by being members of the species, he, as their leader, had the right to go by the title "Makuta".

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I used to imagine that all of the other Makuta would call Teridax by the title "Makuta" only; even though they were all Makuta, by being members of the species, he, as their leader, had the right to go by the title "Makuta".

By that logic, did the other Makuta call Miserix 'Makuta' when he was their leader?

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Probably, though this is all my own personal speculation, and none of it is confirmed by canon. In fact, this topic just reminded me of a theory about Makuta that I'm planning on posting now.

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It's an interesting thought.

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Personally, him being called Teridax makes me want to call him Terry. So the most evil being in the Bionicle universe has the ever so common and boring nick name of Terry.

 

Oh, also, being nameless has a more evil, twisted feel about it. "I'm so evil, I don't have a true name!"

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I think 'Makuta' simply has a creepier sound to it than 'Teridax'. The second name sounds a bit too much like 'pterodactyl', and another problem is that it belongs to the excessive number of 'x' names that began in the later years and continued in Hero Factory. And let's face it, pretty much any late change made to a prominent character introduced early on is going to face a difficult reception.

 

If 'Teridax' had to be used, I'd prefer the names to be reversed - 'Makuta' for the individual, and 'Teridax' for the Brotherhood overall.

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If 'Teridax' had to be used, I'd prefer the names to be reversed - 'Makuta' for the individual, and 'Teridax' for the Brotherhood overall.

It wouldn't surprise me if there were a parallel universe with a "Brotherhood of Teridax"

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Objectively, nothing -- so if you like it, that's just as valid. But subjectively, since it's such a different style, etc. some didn't like it. But again, remember that the claims that it was hugely unpopular were based on the first poll that was made that left out fair options for the like side of things, so it created a false impression, and later unbiased polls showed a more balanced reaction.

 

Personally I love it for its realism value. A top villain need not have the most intimidating name all his life; he could start out as just Terry.

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Personally, the change of style made it somewhat unfitting in my eyes. Mostly it's because he had been called "Makuta" and "The Makuta" for years, so changing his cool name into a species made him less special. Plus, it's like with the Shadowed One - sometimes not knowing is better. :) We know who he is, but not having his real name leaves some mystery about his past. Now we know everything, and Teridax feels quite different, in a way, than the Makuta that shows up in the Mata Nui Online Game.

 

In MNOG, we can't even be certain what this guy is actually like, because the mix of an infected Matoran and a swirling black mass makes him still feel like a "spirit". Later, he starts using a humanoid form more often, which certainly makes him intimidating, but like Sauron he's perhaps more scary when he does not possess a form at all. Also, imagine changing Sauron's name in the last Lord of the Rings film. Call him "Sorrox" and have him walk on-stage in black armor and speak with a hollow voice. He would feel very different from the glowing eye and/or spirit named Sauron, wouldn't he?

 

So I agree a bit with both sides of the naming conflict: Teridax is a decent name, but I would prefer to just keep calling him Makuta and maybe have the species name be something else. Or, he could have been called the Original Makuta, so that he (with his special destiny) would have a claim to the main title of just Makuta, while the rest of his brethren would just have the same names they have now.

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I never liked the name Teridax much either, though as I said above nearly anything would have been a step down from Makuta for me. Because his name sounded, looked, and appeared to have been strongly inspired by "terror", it never seemed to make sense that he was created to be a peaceful scientist.

 

In fact, all but a few of the Makuta for whom we have seen names appear to have either an "evil-sounding" (macabre) name or an off-putting name, despite having been created to be “good guys:

Vamprah, which brings to mind vampires, blood sucking, and murder

Mutran, which evokes mutation and/or muting; robbing one of the power to talk. Also could have been inspired by mutilation.
Gorast, which evokes gore and bloody or disgusting scenes
Bitil, which brings to mind biting something hard, or "beetle”, to recall an insect or a creature with an appearance similar to an insect’s.
Kojol, which displays a similarity to “cajole”, a verb meaning to persuade a person to do or agree with something through dishonest or using unrealistic expectations.
Spiriah, which sounds/looks like “spiral”, and evokes worsening things, being unable to get out, being trapped, etc.
Miserix, which sounds/looks like “misery” or “miser”, evoking selfishness and greed.
Chirox, Antroz, Icarax, and Krika don’t have names that are clearly “evil sounding”, though the usage of “x” consonants and “ee” and “aww” vowels gives all of their names a harsher sound.

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Chirox, Antroz, Icarax, and Krika don’t have names that are clearly “evil sounding”, though the usage of “x” consonants and “ee” and “aww” vowels gives all of their names a harsher sound.

Chirox and Antroz are based on bat names, while Krika sounds somewhat like "cricket" - another insect. Icarax may have been named after Icarus - the guy who flew too close to the sun and melted his own wax wings off, leading to his death. Icarax similarly wanted more than he could handle, and it led to his death.
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Yeah, it was definitely Icarus that inspired his name. It was the later-Bionicle way of implying personality traits in their names. That was seen well before his death too; he often tended to think he could take on more than he could, though the consequences earlier just weren't fatal.

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Chirox, Antroz, Icarax, and Krika don’t have names that are clearly “evil sounding”, though the usage of “x” consonants and “ee” and “aww” vowels gives all of their names a harsher sound.

Chirox and Antroz are based on bat names, while Krika sounds somewhat like "cricket" - another insect. Icarax may have been named after Icarus - the guy who flew too close to the sun and melted his own wax wings off, leading to his death. Icarax similarly wanted more than he could handle, and it led to his death.

 

I did think about Icarus and how his name may have inspired Icarax's name and personality; however, I decided to not include it above since Icarus is typically not associated with evil or unpleasantness, and only with morality; sort of like a fable with a lesson.

 

The connection between Krika's name and a cricket is certainly plausible, and might have been an intentional reference on the part of the story team, though it didn't strike me as a clear connection.

 

I haven't yet heard of "Chirox" and "Antroz" being based off of "bat names", though I'd appreciate learning more about that. By "bat names" are you referring to names in other languages, or names for individual species or sub-species of bats? Taxanomical names?

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I haven't yet heard of "Chirox" and "Antroz" being based off of "bat names", though I'd appreciate learning more about that. By "bat names" are you referring to names in other languages, or names for individual species or sub-species of bats? Taxanomical names?

To quote the Wikipedia article on bats, "Bats are mammals of the order Chiroptera", so this would be where both Chirox and Kirop get their names. The BIONICLE Wiki cites "Antroz gets his name from the genus "Antrozous" of the bat family Vespertilionidae" as a trivia.

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I did think about Icarus and how his name may have inspired Icarax's name and personality; however, I decided to not include it above since Icarus is typically not associated with evil or unpleasantness, and only with morality; sort of like a fable with a lesson.

FTR (though this doesn't necessarily affect the list you were making there) the connection is likely due to the winged nature of typical Makuta portrayals (and he has four wings, implying another connection with the wings of Icarus which were added to him; so both had "extra wings" in a sense), and a "bad" personality trait. Not that Icarus in the legend was evil, but he was rebellious and rebellion can also lead to evil. As well as overly ambitious which can lead to same.

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Could it be possible that they simply changed their names after turning evil? I wouldn't put it past the Makuta to have their original names stricken from record, and adopt new names they deemed fitting. Like a clean-slate kind of deal.

As for "the big bad" and his name change, I recall being somewhat miffed when they first announced it, because, like everyone else, I had come to know the character as "Makuta, the one and only," so both the name-change and the Makuta suddenly becoming a species threw me for a loop. It lasted all of one week -- if that -- and both then and now it doesn't bother me at all. Sure, I thought it was odd-sounding, but you can't expect every living being to have a name that rolls off the tongue. Honestly, I think there are stupider villain names out there. :P

In the end, I don't love the name Teridax, but I also don't hate it.

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like everyone else, I had come to know the character as "Makuta, the one and only,"

I've been waiting for an opportunity to bring this up, and this is close enough (:P) -- for the record, not everybody assumed "Makuta" was his personal name or there would be only one. :P We had the mystery since 2001 of why they sometimes called him "the" Makuta, implying it wasn't his name. It never really seemed like "the one and only" to me. It could have been a title that was only possessed by one being, but it's just as natural for it to be a title/species name of multiple beings. I bring this up only because I sometimes wonder if a lot of people missed the "the" back then, but it really should be factored.

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Like Bonesiii here, I noticed everyone... or the Turaga at least (note, Matoran never said "the" Makuta, only the Turaga actually did) always said "the" Makuta.

So I had a strong feeling this Makuta that everyone was referring to on Mata Nui could just as well have been the face of a shady organization. A kind of anglerfish light to attract everyone away from the real threat.

Admittadly though, when I heard about the Makuta "species" I was like "Holy %#@&!!!! There are MORE of these guys!?!! Great! Now they have to fight a WHOLE BUNCH of superpowerful evil things!".

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Back then I figured that the inclusion of "The" Makuta implied that Makuta was an "it" - the great and untouchable evil counterpart to Mata Nui - rather than any normal mortal being. Mata Nui was translated as Great Spirit, and they did say "The Great Spirit" now and then. If Makuta just meant "shadow", it would make sense -- Makuta would be The Shadow, his Rahkshi would the the Sons of Shadow, and all his minions could have been referred to as minions of Makuta (the shadow). His name could also have been used as a title, such as is the case with Julius Caesar's surname.

 

With the reveal that there is more than one Makuta, it does of course make sense to us that he was always called "The" Makuta by the Turaga, but back then I didn't really think much of it.

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Back then I figured that the inclusion of "The" Makuta implied that Makuta was an "it" - the great and untouchable evil counterpart to Mata Nui - rather than any normal mortal being. Mata Nui was translated as Great Spirit, and they did say "The Great Spirit" now and then. If Makuta just meant "shadow", it would make sense -- Makuta would be The Shadow, his Rahkshi would the the Sons of Shadow, and all his minions could have been referred to as minions of Makuta (the shadow). His name could also have been used as a title, such as is the case with Julius Caesar's surname.

 

With the reveal that there is more than one Makuta, it does of course make sense to us that he was always called "The" Makuta by the Turaga, but back then I didn't really think much of it.

And I'm sure the Matoran were thinking exactly the same thing XD

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like everyone else, I had come to know the character as "Makuta, the one and only,"

I've been waiting for an opportunity to bring this up, and this is close enough ( :P) -- for the record, not everybody assumed "Makuta" was his personal name or there would be only one. :P We had the mystery since 2001 of why they sometimes called him "the" Makuta, implying it wasn't his name. It never really seemed like "the one and only" to me. It could have been a title that was only possessed by one being, but it's just as natural for it to be a title/species name of multiple beings. I bring this up only because I sometimes wonder if a lot of people missed the "the" back then, but it really should be factored.

 

Nah, I never missed the "the" in his title, and it's actually because of it that I thought this way. It's like when somebody says "the queen" and some people automatically think of the current sovereign of Britain. We know there is more than one queen in this world -- just as the Turaga knew there was more than one Makuta -- but as far as a handful of amnesic Matoran (and an unknowing audience) knew, Teridax was the only Makuta. (And by "everyone," I guess I was referring to the two other Bionicle fans I knew at the time who even cared about the lore...)

 

Back then I figured that the inclusion of "The" Makuta implied that Makuta was an "it" - the great and untouchable evil counterpart to Mata Nui - rather than any normal mortal being. Mata Nui was translated as Great Spirit, and they did say "The Great Spirit" now and then. If Makuta just meant "shadow", it would make sense -- Makuta would be The Shadow, his Rahkshi would the the Sons of Shadow, and all his minions could have been referred to as minions of Makuta (the shadow). His name could also have been used as a title, such as is the case with Julius Caesar's surname.

 

With the reveal that there is more than one Makuta, it does of course make sense to us that he was always called "The" Makuta by the Turaga, but back then I didn't really think much of it.

Took the words right out of my mouth. And frankly, I used to think during the first year or so that 'Makuta' meant 'demon' in the Matoran language, so in my head I was interpreting it as "The (Island) Demon."

 

If "Teridax's" name would of been introduced sooner, like in 2003 or 2004, then I would be ok with it.

...... Yeah, I probably would have had zero issues with it at all if they had revealed it sooner. :I

 

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because it's different and i hate it when things are different and everything should be exactly the same as it was and the story never should have gotten off of mata nui and the sets should still have gear functions and toa of stone should be brown not orange and the new gray looks like mega bloks and it sucks

 

I don't see anything wrong with the name "Teridax", I think it was just because the switch was quite sudden and fans hate change.

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It's really the "The" bit that seems to get to people.

 

The Makuta seems to make him out to be a great and unknowable evil, while Teridax simply paints him as another villain, albeit an incredibly competent and effective one.

 

Having been introduced to the franchise in 2004, where he was not this eldritch abomination but simply a scheming monster, I've been pretty fine with having him be Terry.

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I never really minded the name much.

 

"I aaaam the greeeaaat Makuuuuta Teeeridaaax! MUHAAHAAAA!"

 

Except that Teridax would never say something that lame, so it doesn't need to fit. "The Makuta" sounds intimidating, but this villain doesn't truly rely on intimidation, so he need not have an intimidating name.

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As the names of evil villains go, "Teridax" sounded a lot more generic than "Makuta". Makuta, as the name of an individual, sounds more like a supernatural creature or a demon than Teridax, which mostly just sounds like the name of a cartoon villain. Personally, I still think of him as just Makuta.

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For me, it made sense that with all the Makuta running around in '08 that Makuta should have a name of his own. Did I think (at the time) that it could have been a better name? Sure, but I still think "Teridax" worked well enough.

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For me, it made sense that with all the Makuta running around in '08 that Makuta should have a name of his own. Did I think (at the time) that it could have been a better name? Sure, but I still think "Teridax" worked well enough.

It might have seemed like a good decision to the story team, especially in 2008.

 

However, if he had been the only Makuta still referred to as just "Makuta", and all of the other Makuta had been referred to by their personal names, then we would have been able to tell who was being referred to without too much confusion. He was their leader, after all, and thus at a higher status than the other Makuta. Who is to say that it wouldn't have made sense for the story team to continue to have him referred to as simply "Makuta"? Or "the Makuta of Metru Nui"?

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For me, it made sense that with all the Makuta running around in '08 that Makuta should have a name of his own. Did I think (at the time) that it could have been a better name? Sure, but I still think "Teridax" worked well enough.

It might have seemed like a good decision to the story team, especially in 2008.

 

However, if he had been the only Makuta still referred to as just "Makuta", and all of the other Makuta had been referred to by their personal names, then we would have been able to tell who was being referred to without too much confusion. He was their leader, after all, and thus at a higher status than the other Makuta. Who is to say that it wouldn't have made sense for the story team to continue to have him referred to as simply "Makuta"? Or "the Makuta of Metru Nui"?

 

I do admit that Teridax could have easily been referred to as just "Makuta", but for me it would have been weird not to give Teridax a name; especially seeing as all the other Makuta of '08 had names. I don't see Teridax losing much by having his true name revealed, but for many fans another (arguably important) piece of BIONICLE lore was added by the reveal.

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The only thing I don't like about it is how "Makuta" is now both a species name and a organization name. It's needlessly confusing, same with "Glatorian".

The reason the backlash was so massive is just because it's different, and if there's one thing that has been made abundantly clear, it's that the BIONICLE fandom hates change, no matter how minuscule or insignificant.

 

If "Teridax's" name would of been introduced sooner, like in 2003 or 2004, then I would be ok with it.


Case in point. Literally nothing would change in this scenario, except that it would be established earlier. Somehow that would make it okay, despite being horrible and character-ruining seconds ago.

This fandom has some of the thickest rose-colored glasses ever; I still see the occasional fan that refuses to say "Matoran" and insists on calling them "Tohunga"...

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The only thing I don't like about it is how "Makuta" is now both a species name and a organization name. It's needlessly confusing, same with "Glatorian".

 

The reason the backlash was so massive is just because it's different, and if there's one thing that has been made abundantly clear, it's that the BIONICLE fandom hates change, no matter how minuscule or insignificant.

 

If "Teridax's" name would of been introduced sooner, like in 2003 or 2004, then I would be ok with it.

 

Case in point. Literally nothing would change in this scenario, except that it would be established earlier. Somehow that would make it okay, despite being horrible and character-ruining seconds ago.

 

This fandom has some of the thickest rose-colored glasses ever; I still see the occasional fan that refuses to say "Matoran" and insists on calling them "Tohunga"...

Admittadly "Tohunga" has a more tribal feel to it than Matoran. But then that would mean the name would only actually fit with the 2001-2003 part of the story. I wouldn't have minded the Agori to be called Tohunga, fits better with them (why is New Zealand so nitpicky!?)

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Personally, (and I actually think this is pretty common sentiment) it's because labelling him "Teridax" takes some of the mystery out of him. He is no longer the shrouded-in-darkness-and-intruigue-Makuta, he is Makuta Teridax. It's also then revealed that the Makuta is not merely one creature, one malevolent being with a master plan for taking over, quite literally, the universe. He's just an exceptionally well-thought-through member of a species.

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