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#1721 Offline Strange Festive Voltex

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Posted Jan 25 2015 - 03:12 PM

TRUKK NOT MUNKY

MU fellas transforming into Rahi doesn't even need a Transformers cross.

 

I was just about to say the same thing. :P

 

I mean, "Transformers X Bionicle" is a neat idea, but you can also just invent some plot device that allows Toa to turn themselves into Rahi or something. Then you just have to figure out how this would factor into the plot, what exactly the plot is, and move forward from there.


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Posted Jan 25 2015 - 03:13 PM

There are some vehicles...just not enough in the MU.

And not all Transformers turn into vehicles, don't forget some turn into fortress, tools, and some everyday items.

 

I mean...if guns and swords count as everyday items.


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Posted Jan 25 2015 - 03:28 PM

While I feel like Transformers works better when they turn into vehicles instead of beasts, having them transform into Rahi would probably be easier to work into Bionicle, I imagine.

 

Hmm, people turning into animals sounds more like Animorphs to me, just with more metal. I suppose it would be a case of Matoran being given the powers to transform into Rahi in order to better fight a secret invasion of new, specialised kraata which literally get inside your head and now I'm kind of wanting this to be a thing...


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Posted Jan 25 2015 - 03:29 PM

Okay...I like that idea.


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Posted Jan 25 2015 - 03:30 PM

I could see that work.


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Posted Jan 25 2015 - 03:37 PM

 

While I feel like Transformers works better when they turn into vehicles instead of beasts, having them transform into Rahi would probably be easier to work into Bionicle, I imagine.

 

Hmm, people turning into animals sounds more like Animorphs to me, just with more metal. I suppose it would be a case of Matoran being given the powers to transform into Rahi in order to better fight a secret invasion of new, specialised kraata which literally get inside your head and now I'm kind of wanting this to be a thing...

 

 

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Posted Jan 25 2015 - 03:39 PM

 

I'll have to disagree. Not all players like crossovers, and creating them alienates people who just want to play Bionicle RPGs,

 

That is kinda part of the reason we have all these different side RPGs. Aside from allowing more than one person to run their own RPG, it also allows people who don't like one idea go and do something else.

 

 

Plus, crossovers more often than not lead to grabbing at and fusing the origins, rather than creating new source material.

 

When you do a good job it tends to come out noticeably different from either of the starter pieces. A proper fusion of settings is more than just mashing a pair of them together.

 

Something for anybody trying to make a crossover to remember.

 

 

We've seen wars in Bionicle. What are you doing that's new?

 

Welp, might as well never have another RPG with a war in it.

 

 

There's a difference between "little different" and "I have to go back eleven pages to find something that isn't either a crossover or a reimagning of a project from another forum as an RPG".

 

That much talk about it means that there is a fair amount of interest in a crossover RPG, even if it is a cautious interest.

 

 

The inherent problem with crossovers is something Lev touched on; they don't do anything new. The plots don't benefit from it,

 

I'm not sure how much crossovers you have read but the fact that for a large number of them, those plots would have never happened without the universes coming together. I'm pretty sure that falls under "new."

 

 

because for many of these ideas I would have serious concerns about their ability to survive.

 

This is a major part of the reason we have the planning topic. The community can take a look at any new ideas coming along and see if they like it. If not, the idea dies here, like what has happened to several suggestions over the past couple of pages.

 

I'm not saying that anything that gets to the Judges is guaranteed to live for a while, but it is going to have some level of support behind it.


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Posted Jan 25 2015 - 03:54 PM

I think, SIlvan, you are missing a major portion of the point I am getting at. Firstly, interest in "a crossover RPG" is like expressing interest in "a movie". It doesn't mean anything, because a crossover RPG doesn't even have a defined genre let alone staples of that genre. One can express interest in a specific crossover, but anything beyond that is meaningless. Secondly my initial statement was not "get these crossovers out of the RPG forum". it was that crossover games are being discussed to the exclusion of any original game.

 

Which is an inherently bad thing. 

 

Furthermore, this "support" is very far from as existent as you say. Through easily half a dozen pages I have not seen any one crossover idea get more supporting players than I can count on one hand. That, in and of itself, is a statistic contradiction to your statement of any game that reaches the judging having support to sustain it.


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Posted Jan 25 2015 - 04:20 PM

 

While I feel like Transformers works better when they turn into vehicles instead of beasts, having them transform into Rahi would probably be easier to work into Bionicle, I imagine.

 

Hmm, people turning into animals sounds more like Animorphs to me, just with more metal. I suppose it would be a case of Matoran being given the powers to transform into Rahi in order to better fight a secret invasion of new, specialised kraata which literally get inside your head and now I'm kind of wanting this to be a thing...

 

Actually, there were several Transformers series with them turning into animals.


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Posted Jan 25 2015 - 04:23 PM

Only 2. Beast Wars and Beast Machines.

Other animal characters like the Predacons and Sharkticons were minor characters of other series.


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Posted Jan 25 2015 - 04:25 PM

Yeah, I didn't remember how many.


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Posted Jan 25 2015 - 05:03 PM

So did everyone forget about that Roborider/Throwbot/Bionicle Tron-esque crossover thing? I personally think that would be pretty cool.

Yup. That's what happens when an idea gets buried under 30+ posts.  :P

On a more serious note, it was only mentioned as a suggestion; there weren't actually any plans to make it a thing, even though it would've probably been relatively easier to pull off, since it doesn't involve any non-constraction-based universes. Coupled in with the fact that it would most likely be another arena-based RPG and that it was brought up while Bionifight is currently on the eve of approval, any attempt to develop it at this time probably wouldn't be that great of an idea.


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Posted Jan 25 2015 - 05:49 PM

The Gate was silly and didn't rely on crossovers anyways

Just le wow factor of the witch king or whatever

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Posted Jan 25 2015 - 11:32 PM

I think, SIlvan, you are missing a major portion of the point I am getting at. Firstly, interest in "a crossover RPG" is like expressing interest in "a movie". It doesn't mean anything, because a crossover RPG doesn't even have a defined genre let alone staples of that genre. One can express interest in a specific crossover, but anything beyond that is meaningless. Secondly my initial statement was not "get these crossovers out of the RPG forum". it was that crossover games are being discussed to the exclusion of any original game.

 

Which is an inherently bad thing. 

 

Furthermore, this "support" is very far from as existent as you say. Through easily half a dozen pages I have not seen any one crossover idea get more supporting players than I can count on one hand. That, in and of itself, is a statistic contradiction to your statement of any game that reaches the judging having support to sustain it.

If an original idea was brought up, it would be discussed just as much as these ideas. To me, your statement seems biased to assuming that people have tried to put ideas out within these last dozen pages, which they haven't (other than some interesting sounding crossovers or crossover-inspired). Discussion begets creativity. TPtI/Ultron did bring up an interesting idea because of this discussion, and I think it sounds cool.


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Posted Jan 25 2015 - 11:41 PM

Looking it over again, it did come off that way. Guess my wording wasn't great. :P

 

What I meant was that no original ideas had been proposed in a dozen pages, compared to multiple crossovers, which did not bode well. I didn't mean that ideas weren't discussed so much as the crossover ideas being proposed were many while no original ones had been proposed.


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