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#3041 Offline Timageness

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Posted Apr 16 2017 - 01:27 PM

That actually sounds like a very good idea. Mind if I use it?

 

Fine with me. Bouncing around ideas and suggestions is sort of the point of this topic, isn't it?

 

That would require the Matoran to stop seeing the Turaga as wise leaders. As well as making them ungrateful little idiots considering that even with amnesia they should know who brought them out of the stasis pods.

The mask maker acting as an avatar of Makuta makes a certain amount of sense if glanced at. Makuta made a deal with Vakama not to attack Mata Nui for a year in return for Vakama not breaking the Vahi.

Of course, sending an avatar is a pretty solid attack anyway and would break the deal. Also it means that everybody would be quite used to calling the mask maker by his real name and would have no real reason to call him Makuta.

 

Ungrateful or not, I'd still be more than a little wary (at least initially) of someone I didn't personally know, especially if they randomly woke me up one morning and started bossing me around. And given that the Turaga of Lesovikk's home island went completely bonkers and sent their entire village to be rebuilt on Karzahni for little to no reason at all, I'd say that's enough evidence to prove that not all of them should be followed blindly.

Also, I believe that the exact wording of Teridax's original deal with Vakama was that he (as in the Makuta and his forces) would not organise an attack on the Matoran for one year, in exchange for Vakama not shattering the Vahi. Now in this case, the timeline would obviously need to be extended here to account for the generations worth of events that took place prior to the plot of 2015, but if some other being wished to cause some strife on their own during that period of peace, someone who could be easily advised (read: manipulated) into acting on their jealousy or willing to bargain for knowledge and power, and that he technically had no affiliation with whatsoever... Well, that's certainly a loophole if I ever saw one.

Allegedly, the Devil's greatest feat was tricking the world into believing that he never even existed. Assuming that Bionicle's master strategist wouldn't be able to navigate his way around one little pact is honestly a bit ridiculous.


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#3042 Offline Silvan Haven

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Posted Apr 19 2017 - 11:05 AM

If some random person woke you up one day and started bossing you around it would make perfect sense to be highly suspicious of them. That's not quite the case here though.

From the viewpoint of the Matoran, they all just woke up with no memory of anything. The only people with any idea of what is going on are the Turaga. Sure they step into the role of leaders but they do a bang up job of it. When the Turaga say that Makuta is a bad dude it makes a whole lot more sense for them to listen rather than assume that their leaders are bonkers.

As far as the pact goes. Makuta held to it in canon because he knew that Vakama was perfectly willing to follow through and smart enough to notice any attempted workarounds.

A guy with the same name as your shape shifting archenemies going around causing trouble is more than enough reason for Vakama to break the Vahi.

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#3043 Offline Timageness

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Posted Apr 19 2017 - 01:37 PM

If some random person woke you up one day and started bossing you around it would make perfect sense to be highly suspicious of them. That's not quite the case here though.

From the viewpoint of the Matoran, they all just woke up with no memory of anything. The only people with any idea of what is going on are the Turaga. Sure they step into the role of leaders but they do a bang up job of it. When the Turaga say that Makuta is a bad dude it makes a whole lot more sense for them to listen rather than assume that their leaders are bonkers.

 

Again, the Turaga's role in Matoran society is not one of dictatorship, so just because they want the populace to take a specific course of action, that doesn't necessarily mean that their word is law. If it was, then Jaller wouldn't have been able to effectively blackmail information about the Toa Nuva and the state of the MU out of them by organising his island-wide strike on Metru Nui. If they have a reason to be suspicious of the Turaga, then it is well-within their capability to simply ignore them, whether or not they are currently suffering from amnesia.

Also, we're talking about an RPG here, you know, where characters generally have more freedom to do whatever the heck they want, especially if it's not canon.

 

As far as the pact goes. Makuta held to it in canon because he knew that Vakama was perfectly willing to follow through and smart enough to notice any attempted workarounds.

A guy with the same name as your shape shifting archenemies going around causing trouble is more than enough reason for Vakama to break the Vahi.

 

Except that:

 

- In order for the two societies to work together cohesively and form an actual relationship with one another, they would each have to disclose their respective cultures, histories, and prophecies, to avoid any potential mishaps. This means that the Mask Maker would've already had access to the term "Makuta" in advance, and could've simply adopted the identity/title as a show of power, without so much of a hint of the original Teridax ever being involved. Again, no Teridax = no reason to break the Vahi.

- Any powers obtained by said Mask Maker would potentially have alternative origins as well. According to G1, any being could obtain a limited ability over Shadow, simply by focusing on their own anger and aggression, which G2 Makuta would have had plenty of. Plus, he also forged the G2 MoUP, which was responsible for his original transformation in the first place.

- Assuming that the Vahi operates under similar rules and conditions as the Ignika and MoC, its destruction would've only carried the same weight as Vakama's original threat if it was actually kept inside the Matoran Universe. Since Mata Nui/Okoto is actually outside of the GSR, the timeline within the actual robot itself would likely remain largely unaffected in the event that the Turaga felt it was necessary to keep to his word. At this point, Teridax would only require the mask to speed up time in order to advance his own plans, and being the master of the Xanatos Gambit that he is, the retrieval/continued existence of the G1 Vahi would've thus reverted back to being merely a convenience at best. What he's really after here is actually the enslavement of the Matoran of Metru Nui, whom he still needs for Mata Nui's brain to continue to function, which is absolutely essential for his plan to succeed.

 

So yeah, Vakama pretty much shot himself in the foot by taking everybody to Mata Nui, and aside from that, there'd still be plenty of reasonable doubt concerning the extent of Teridax's actual involvement.


Edited by Timageness, Apr 20 2017 - 11:53 PM.

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Matoran und Panzer (Formerly Appointed Co-GM), Corpus Rahkshi (Substitute Co-GM)

Corpus Rahkshi APW

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#3044 Online Darth Jaller

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Posted Aug 24 2017 - 05:32 PM

*raises hand*

 

Possibly dumb question from a newbie to the RP board (and I'm not sure if this is quite the place to enquire), but... may I ask, how come games that include canon characters are discouraged? I just kinda drifted over to this forum now after a number of years roleplaying on other sites, and saw that mentioned in passing on the previous page... and I'm curious as to why that's not allowed / frowned upon.

 

I'm just that one guy who'd be far more interested in roleplaying canon characters than making up my own original ones, don't mind me xD;


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#3045 Offline Silvan Haven

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Posted Aug 24 2017 - 06:06 PM

Ah, somebody to help!

Using canon characters isn't looked down on. It's just that most people want to come up with their own stuff. It allows for more creative freedom.

They also tend to be solely GM controlled in most games because they are either important to the plot or are noticeable NPCs that the GM can use to give their players stuff to do.

If you feel coming up with your own game that let's people play as canon characters feel free.

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