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Which characters should've been in the STARS line?


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#1 Offline NuparuTheEngineer

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Posted Apr 11 2014 - 03:24 AM

I thought this to myself, a while ago. What other characters could be in the STARS line because I hate the heroes of that line because there are two Toa Nuva. Tahu is in his Mata form but he still was a Toa Nuva. And then there is Gresh, which was too soon but what other characters could they put as Gresh, there isn't many characters which could replace him.

Here is what I think it should've been like:

Tahu - Tahu, because he is an iconic character of BIONICLE.

Takanuva - Matoro, because he saved Mata Nui and Takanuva took the place of the Toa of Ice. Though, I wouldn't know if it would screw up the story line.

Gresh - Gresh, because there isn't much choice when it comes to the air characters.

Rahkshi - Rahkshi, because I think the design of the STARS Rahkshi is awesome and well designed. Even if the arms and legs don't move.

Skrall - Visorak, because the Visorak are more interesting then Skrall. He just doesn't interest me. The best part of his set is the black Kopaka sword.

Piraka - Piraka, because I just think it was a good choice.

 

Who do you think should've been in the STARS line?


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Posted Apr 11 2014 - 10:05 AM

I agree with Tahu, Rahkshii and Piraka. I disliked Tahu's design, but still think he was the right choice for a Star.

 

So,

Tahu

Rahkshii

Piraka

 

I would have liked to see a matoran, I'm sure they still existed. Maybe Macku or Nuparu.

 

A rahi would have been interesting, such as Nui-Rama.

 

That is three bad guys, so would require another hero to go with Tahu and the matoran.

 

Hewkii's Mahri form was one of my favorite sets, so maybe Toa Hewkii, but Toa Pohatu would also have been nice to see; it would also have been interesting to see how they made him look bulky in the format of the Stars.


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Posted Apr 11 2014 - 10:34 AM

I would keep Tahu, the Rahkshi, the Piraka, and the Skrall in the STARS line up if I were able to pick which sets were in that line. As for the other two spots, I would've picked:

 

Lesovikk - Because even though he didn't have the biggest role in the storyline, he was still one of my favorite characters and I would've really liked to have seen another version of his set.

 

Axonn - Because he is also one of my favorite characters. (And a mini version of his weapon would've been awesome. :P)


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Posted Apr 11 2014 - 10:48 AM

Axonn - Because he is also one of my favorite characters. (And a mini version of his weapon would've been awesome. :P)

 

YES. On both counts.  


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Posted Apr 11 2014 - 10:50 AM

Why not add all the Toa Mata? But then, we'd need three more villains. Maybe a Rahi, a Bohrok, and a Visorak?

 

Lesovikk would have been cool in that line...


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Posted Apr 11 2014 - 03:09 PM

I was quite fond of the selection of sets that made up the Stars. They weren't all classic characters, but they were all extremely familiar ones, whether that was because they were based on popular, important classic sets or popular, important recent sets.

Mata Nui somewhat qualifies in both categories, but a Mata Nui Stars set wouldn't make much sense with the year's story. Same goes for Makuta. Distinctive and memorable character with major promotional significance and ongoing story relevance, but the form he was in at the time would not be conducive to a BIONICLE set of any really affordable scale.

There isn't much room for other Toa, I don't think. Which one, as a set or character design, had anywhere near as much impact as Tahu or Takanuva? Lots of the Toa Mahri had important, memorable story roles, but not so much in the sets. Maybe Toa Lhikan, but that'd make even less sense in the story than in the sets.

As for villains, the Rahkshi, Piraka, and Skrall sets were not classic characters, but they represented significant series of sets. Hard to say what other villains were that significant. Bohrok were definitely important (not only were they the first villain canister sets, but they were released at BIONICLE's commercial zenith in 2002), but they would be hard to translate into set form without either a lot of brand-new parts or a lot of retired parts. Visorak, maybe? That'd definitely work from a design perspective, though they didn't have a lot of ongoing significance. Definitely not Vahki.

Among non-Toa heroes, the best I can think of would be either Axonn or Keetongu. Both were memorable character designs, even though they don't have the same promotional significance as Tahu, Takanuva, or the various villain series represented. Kiina could be a great addition both as a female character and as a recent character with a major role. She wouldn't need many new or retired parts, which is another bonus. Ackar is a similarly significant character, but he'd be a bit redundant after Tahu.

That's all I can think of. Given a six-set limit, I think the LEGO Group chose well.

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Posted Apr 11 2014 - 04:32 PM

Well I would add The Other four Hagah,Toa Helryx,Fohrok,Lariska,Phantom, & Artakha sets than just six characters.


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Posted Apr 11 2014 - 04:58 PM

 

Axonn - Because he is also one of my favorite characters. (And a mini version of his weapon would've been awesome. :P)

 

YES. On both counts.  

 

 

I also would have liked to have seen Titans, though they should have been in-scale with the other Stars (i.e. Axonn would probably be the size of a standard Glatorian or so). 


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Posted Apr 11 2014 - 05:42 PM

Axonn - Because he is also one of my favorite characters. (And a mini version of his weapon would've been awesome. :P)

 
YES. On both counts.

 
I also would have liked to have seen Titans, though they should have been in-scale with the other Stars (i.e. Axonn would probably be the size of a standard Glatorian or so).

Actually, if you kept everything to scale, Axonn could easily have been close to the same size as the other Stars. Maybe a little bit taller, but nowhere near Glatorian height. After all, in the original 2006 sets, Axonn wasn't that much taller than a Toa Inika or Piraka. Not counting the "horn" on top of his mask, he was 28 modules tall (about 8.75 inches or 22.4 centimeters). This is exactly the same height as any Toa Inika (who we can assume, in the story, are more or less the same height as a typical Toa) and just two centimeters or three quarters of an inch taller than a Piraka.

Perhaps there's some argument to be had for the idea that the relative heights of the original Axonn and Toa Inika sets were not consistent with their "canon" heights, but if Axonn being the same height as a typical Toa wasn't a problem in 2006, I see no reason to think it would have been a problem in 2010. It's not so easy to make the same case for taller titans like Brutaka, who stood a whopping 37 modules tall (around 11.56 inches or 29.6 centimeters), and thus towered over Toa and Piraka alike by nearly a third of their height.

Of course, even the Stars who did appear as sets weren't quite to scale if you judge by the original sets of the characters. The original Rahkshi sets were slightly taller than a Toa Mata or Toa Nuva (even if you eliminate the molded bend in the legs), while the Stars Rahkshi was 16.5 modules tall at the top of the head — considerably shorter than the 19.5–module Tahu, Takanuva, and Gresh. The other sets were more or less in proportion, though, if you assume a Glatorian and a Toa are more or less comparable in height. The Piraka set is just barely shorter than a Toa, while the Skrall is considerably shorter than a Toa or Glatorian.

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Posted Apr 11 2014 - 05:57 PM

Here's my list:
 
Tahu - the iconic character from 2001. The Toa everyone knew about. Definately should be here. Had a big role in-story. 
 
Takanuva - The second-most iconic character. In 2001 he was a Matoran, but he was a famous one. He got his own movie, and side roles in 2006 and 2008. The Bionicle story wouldn't be the same without him. Definitely belongs.
 
All the other sets can go home. Put in some funds and put those characters in a decent size. :P  Or just use all that money you've saved and make me that Mata Nui robot set, will ya? better yet, just ditch the entire "tiny set" line and do that. 


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Posted Apr 11 2014 - 06:14 PM

Here's my list:
 
Tahu - the iconic character from 2001. The Toa everyone knew about. Definately should be here. Had a big role in-story. 
 
Takanuva - The second-most iconic character. In 2001 he was a Matoran, but he was a famous one. He got his own movie, and side roles in 2006 and 2008. The Bionicle story wouldn't be the same without him. Definitely belongs.
 
All the other sets can go home. Put in some funds and put those characters in a decent size. :P  Or just use all that money you've saved and make me that Mata Nui robot set, will ya? better yet, just ditch the entire "tiny set" line and do that. 

No villains? I quite liked the Rahkshi and Piraka sets, even if the former was disproportionately short and the latter had a rather low piece count.

Also, having fewer Stars wouldn't necessarily allow the sets to be larger. As I understand it, the Stars weren't small because small sets are somehow cheaper to design and produce (they are cheaper in terms of shipping and materials costs, but that's not really relevant because those costs could just as easily be cut by producing each of the six sets in smaller quantities). Rather, they were small because small sets tend to sell better than large ones, since more people can afford them more easily. This is also why Hero Factory heroes started out smaller than the villains, even though that theme was brand-new and didn't need to curtail its budget for any reason. Buyers were expected to start with a low-priced hero and then work their way up to the villains and vehicles.

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Posted Apr 11 2014 - 06:33 PM

For some reason, I feel like I want to see ALL the characters as a Star form, but of course, that would be too much.


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Posted Apr 11 2014 - 06:49 PM

 

Here's my list:
 
Tahu - the iconic character from 2001. The Toa everyone knew about. Definately should be here. Had a big role in-story. 
 
Takanuva - The second-most iconic character. In 2001 he was a Matoran, but he was a famous one. He got his own movie, and side roles in 2006 and 2008. The Bionicle story wouldn't be the same without him. Definitely belongs.
 
All the other sets can go home. Put in some funds and put those characters in a decent size. :P  Or just use all that money you've saved and make me that Mata Nui robot set, will ya? better yet, just ditch the entire "tiny set" line and do that. 

No villains? I quite liked the Rahkshi and Piraka sets, even if the former was disproportionately short and the latter had a rather low piece count.

Also, having fewer Stars wouldn't necessarily allow the sets to be larger. As I understand it, the Stars weren't small because small sets are somehow cheaper to design and produce (they are cheaper in terms of shipping and materials costs, but that's not really relevant because those costs could just as easily be cut by producing each of the six sets in smaller quantities). Rather, they were small because small sets tend to sell better than large ones, since more people can afford them more easily. This is also why Hero Factory heroes started out smaller than the villains, even though that theme was brand-new and didn't need to curtail its budget for any reason. Buyers were expected to start with a low-priced hero and then work their way up to the villains and vehicles.

 

I'm evaluating it in terms of which sets were "special" enough to be in the "Stars" lineup, not necessarily price, feasibility, etc. Merely my own preference. IMO the "Stars" of Bionicle weren't really the villains, unless you count the Great Makuta Teridax himself.

 

But the thing is with the Stars line that we got, there had to be three heroes and three villains, so you would have a fight, and at least one of the group had to be from Bara Magna, because the battle of 2010 was on Bara Magna. And then you would want to have a variety of colors in the sets. That's how we got Gresh. Rahkshi and Skakdi were humanoid, because we were doing small humanoid sets. Skrall too. What they did makes sense. I get that. It's not what I wanted, but okay.

 

The other thing is, were they really trying to attract new buyers to Bionicle with entry-level sets? The line was over. Bionicle 2010 =/= HF 2010. Why not give the fans what they want and go out in a blaze of glory instead of producing a bunch of small sets to attract kids to a line that's going to end anyway? The only reason I can think of was a lack of budget for large sets, and no way to "transfer up" the small-set budget into budget for a few large sets. 


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Posted Apr 11 2014 - 08:02 PM


 

Here's my list:
 
Tahu - the iconic character from 2001. The Toa everyone knew about. Definately should be here. Had a big role in-story. 
 
Takanuva - The second-most iconic character. In 2001 he was a Matoran, but he was a famous one. He got his own movie, and side roles in 2006 and 2008. The Bionicle story wouldn't be the same without him. Definitely belongs.
 
All the other sets can go home. Put in some funds and put those characters in a decent size. :P  Or just use all that money you've saved and make me that Mata Nui robot set, will ya? better yet, just ditch the entire "tiny set" line and do that. 

No villains? I quite liked the Rahkshi and Piraka sets, even if the former was disproportionately short and the latter had a rather low piece count.

Also, having fewer Stars wouldn't necessarily allow the sets to be larger. As I understand it, the Stars weren't small because small sets are somehow cheaper to design and produce (they are cheaper in terms of shipping and materials costs, but that's not really relevant because those costs could just as easily be cut by producing each of the six sets in smaller quantities). Rather, they were small because small sets tend to sell better than large ones, since more people can afford them more easily. This is also why Hero Factory heroes started out smaller than the villains, even though that theme was brand-new and didn't need to curtail its budget for any reason. Buyers were expected to start with a low-priced hero and then work their way up to the villains and vehicles.
 
I'm evaluating it in terms of which sets were "special" enough to be in the "Stars" lineup, not necessarily price, feasibility, etc. Merely my own preference. IMO the "Stars" of Bionicle weren't really the villains, unless you count the Great Makuta Teridax himself.
 
But the thing is with the Stars line that we got, there had to be three heroes and three villains, so you would have a fight, and at least one of the group had to be from Bara Magna, because the battle of 2010 was on Bara Magna. And then you would want to have a variety of colors in the sets. That's how we got Gresh. Rahkshi and Skakdi were humanoid, because we were doing small humanoid sets. Skrall too. What they did makes sense. I get that. It's not what I wanted, but okay.
 
The other thing is, were they really trying to attract new buyers to Bionicle with entry-level sets? The line was over. Bionicle 2010 =/= HF 2010. Why not give the fans what they want and go out in a blaze of glory instead of producing a bunch of small sets to attract kids to a line that's going to end anyway? The only reason I can think of was a lack of budget for large sets, and no way to "transfer up" the small-set budget into budget for a few large sets. 
But larger sets don't necessarily need a larger design budget. And TLG wanted to maximize the profitability of the stars, as with any other series of sets. That means SOME buyers were expected to get the Stars as their first sets, regardless of whether there would be a BIONICLE theme for them to collect in future years. If the sets hadn't been "entry-level", fewer would have been likely to sell possibly too few to justify a new series of sets in the first place.

Selling the product is the first and foremost goal of product design. Establishing brand loyalty for future product lines is secondary. The last wave of a ten-year franchise is effectively the same as the first and only wave of a one-wave franchise like Monster Fighters as far as sales is concerned. If you limit the audience to people who have previously owned a BIONICLE set, that decimates the audience for the product especially when the audience of established fans who still buy sets was at an all-time low.

Also, "giving the fans what they want" is a funny turn of phrase. Not only were there fewer BIONICLE fans in 2010 than ever before, but a lot of fans might have been just as happy with the Stars as Star Wars fans are with "mini" sets like the new Microfighters. Does it have as many parts or features as a larger set? No, but it doesn't cost as much as a larger set either, so it's easier for a fan to purchase even if it doesn't deliver the value of a full-size set. Personally, I loved the Stars, and didn't really care what size they were. They were a delightful appeal to nostalgia at a low price.

EDIT: Another important factor is that in 2010 the Glatorian Legends would still have been available online and in stores for the beginning of the year, but the Agori would be a year old and either retired or close to retirement. So the small sets were the part of the product portfolio that most needed to be replaced. If BIONICLE's last wave had been a summer wave and there were still fresh small sets from the previous wave, then it might have been able to include larger sets exclusively, like the final wave of Space Police III sets did.

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Posted Apr 11 2014 - 08:30 PM

I actually am really content with the figures they released - each one was one from Bionicle's major story points, and each hero was facing off against his toughest villain. You had Tahu vs. the Skakdi (Nektann), you had Takanuva vs. the Rahkshi, and Gresh vs. a Skrall. I'm not quite sure which figs would fit in better... at least, not one that could appear in the story's current status.

 

Now, size was a big problem for me, being a fan who is extremely obsessed with accurate scale. The figures were terrible in size comparison to the previously released Glatorian and 2006-2008 Toa sets - in fact, they were only as big as Av-Matoran and Agori! This is perhaps my only major problem with the Stars line.


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Posted Apr 11 2014 - 08:33 PM

But larger sets don't necessarily need a larger design budget. And TLG wanted to maximize the profitability of the stars, as with any other series of sets. That means SOME buyers were expected to get the Stars as their first sets, regardless of whether there would be a BIONICLE theme for them to collect in future years. If the sets hadn't been "entry-level", fewer would have been likely to sell possibly too few to justify a new series of sets in the first place.

True. The thing is, you mentioned HF in the context of your post, which led me to the conclusion that "getting into it" was the reason for the small sets. 

Also, "giving the fans what they want" is a funny turn of phrase. Not only were there fewer BIONICLE fans in 2010 than ever before, but a lot of fans might have been just as happy with the Stars as Star Wars fans are with "mini" sets like the new Microfighters. Does it have as many parts or features as a larger set? No, but it doesn't cost as much as a larger set either, so it's easier for a fan to purchase even if it doesn't deliver the value of a full-size set. Personally, I loved the Stars, and didn't really care what size they were. They were a delightful appeal to nostalgia at a low price.

Some fans thought that the small size of the Stars was an insult to the theme near the end. We both know that this is illogical. Unfortunately, those people tend to be more vocal. 

 

This topic didn't ask which Stars line was feasible, though (obviously that was the one we got) but the one I would have preferred. To be honest, I would have been more than happy to have purchased just the Tahu and Takanuva Stars sets - I just couldn't bring myself to care much about the rest of them. The Rahkshi and Piraka were main villains for one year. Gresh and the Skrall were in the same boat. None of these characters really represented the theme as a whole, which I really wish the line had. Instead, it merely represented 2010's story, with the battle between Piraka, Skrall, Rahkshi, etc and the Bara Magnans (represented by Gresh) and Tahu/Takanuva. Indeed, there was nothing wrong with that, but why did they play it up as a tribute to the entire line? IMO it fell far short in this regard.


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Posted Apr 11 2014 - 08:59 PM

But larger sets don't necessarily need a larger design budget. And TLG wanted to maximize the profitability of the stars, as with any other series of sets. That means SOME buyers were expected to get the Stars as their first sets, regardless of whether there would be a BIONICLE theme for them to collect in future years. If the sets hadn't been "entry-level", fewer would have been likely to sell possibly too few to justify a new series of sets in the first place.

True. The thing is, you mentioned HF in the context of your post, which led me to the conclusion that "getting into it" was the reason for the small sets.

Well, yes. "Getting into it" is mandatory for any series of sets, because that's what gets that initial purchase. Having other sets for people to move onto is optional.

This topic didn't ask which Stars line was feasible, though (obviously that was the one we got) but the one I would have preferred. To be honest, I would have been more than happy to have purchased just the Tahu and Takanuva Stars sets - I just couldn't bring myself to care much about the rest of them. The Rahkshi and Piraka were main villains for one year. Gresh and the Skrall were in the same boat. None of these characters really represented the theme as a whole, which I really wish the line had. Instead, it merely represented 2010's story, with the battle between Piraka, Skrall, Rahkshi, etc and the Bara Magnans (represented by Gresh) and Tahu/Takanuva. Indeed, there was nothing wrong with that, but why did they play it up as a tribute to the entire line? IMO it fell far short in this regard.

The Rahkshi and Piraka were not that important or memorable as individual characters (hence why the designs didn't represent any particular Rahkshi or Piraka sets), but as a series of designs I feel they really resonated with a lot of people. Plus, I think the Tahu and Takanuva sets look that much cooler when squaring off against some classic foes. So it wasn't just to represent the 2010 story — the story, after all, is based on the sets, so if reflecting the conflict in the story were the only goal they could have been anything — even never-before-seen foes like the Baterra.

I liked the Gresh and Skrall sets in part because of that sense of different parts of the theme's lifespan coming together. They also helped ensure that the line would resonate with people whether they were fans from the beginning or discovered the theme partway through. Because of their inclusion, everybody who still keeping up with the theme in 2010 had some character they could relate to, and that sense of universal inclusiveness and appreciation gave the line that much more sentimental value. It wasn't just a farewell to fans like me who had been there from the beginning, but a farewell to the theme as a whole. On their own, Gresh and Skrall would not have represented the entirety theme nearly as much as Tahu or Takanuva. But as part of the series, they only had to represent a part of the theme, and I think they did that quite well.

I guess I would not have minded the BIONICLE Stars if they were just a couple sets like the Toa Hagah, but I don't think the sets would have been quite so special to me if there were just one or two of them, regardless of what size they were. I think even a large, Glatorian-size Tahu set would have seemed underwhelming to me compared to a set of six colorful heroes and villains from across the theme's lifespan. That sentimental value mattered a lot to me, and represented way more to me than the events of the final story year.

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Posted Apr 11 2014 - 09:01 PM

I think: no other characters, since the STARS were kind of a letdown (an understandable one though) on LEGO's part.


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Posted Apr 11 2014 - 09:21 PM

I personally liked the Stars just the way they were.

 

However, I like ToM Dracone's idea for Hahli Stars enough so that if I had to make a change I would replace Gresh with Hahli and then spray paint Nektann green just to balance things out.


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Posted Apr 12 2014 - 11:32 AM

Personally, I liked their selection except for Gresh. Gresh was like the Rocka of Glatorian, rookie, not as skille as the others and SUPER POPULAR.

I would have instead chosen Lesovikk, or Hahli. In fact, if Lego had not made all their water characters girls and all of their other ones guys, I would have wanted the entire good guys team or 2/3 to be girls, to shove it in fans faces that they arent picky on genders.

But alas... They are.

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Posted Apr 12 2014 - 01:06 PM

Either Kiina or the rest of the Toa Mata


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Posted Apr 16 2014 - 04:25 AM

Almost anyone but Grest and Skralls.

 

Have Bohroks there or something. Thse are atleast big-name guys.


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Posted Apr 16 2014 - 10:33 AM

Tahu, and the Rahkshi and the Piraka definitely...

 

I also would've liked some new characters we haven't seen yet, (I would've loved to have a complete set of characters not just 6 small ones, but oh well)

hmm, maybe one last Makuta that somehow wasn't killed off, perhaps a Dark Hunter. Then for a hero, maybe a new Glatorian, or even maybe a Vorox that wasn't altered, so we get a chance to see what they looked like beforehand. :)


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Posted Apr 16 2014 - 01:59 PM

Almost anyone but Grest and Skralls.
 
Have Bohroks there or something. Thse are atleast big-name guys.


Setting aside the slight at Gresh and Skrall (who served a vital purpose by maintaining continuity for new fans from the year before)...

How would YOU suggest making a Bohrok using the Agori build of the Stars? Genuinely curious; while the Rahkshi managed to deal with the problem elegantly, I feel like the spherical Bohrok would be a whole lot harder to represent with such a basic and rigid body structure.


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Posted Apr 16 2014 - 02:19 PM

Almost anyone but Grest and Skralls.
 
Have Bohroks there or something. Thse are atleast big-name guys.


Setting aside the slight at Gresh and Skrall (who served a vital purpose by maintaining continuity for new fans from the year before)...

How would YOU suggest making a Bohrok using the Agori build of the Stars? Genuinely curious; while the Rahkshi managed to deal with the problem elegantly, I feel like the spherical Bohrok would be a whole lot harder to represent with such a basic and rigid body structure.

Yes indeed. I can't really think of how you might build a Bohrok with the same building level and more or less the same parts assortment as the Agori/Stars. So much of their appeal came from their functions — the lunging neck, the ability to roll into a ball, and the ejecting Krana. I don't think any other series of sets was quite as defined by its functions as the Bohrok were.

If there were a way to replicate the Bohrok as Stars, I think the designers would have done so. It'd be a no-brainer. After all, they were perhaps the strongest-selling BIONICLE series of all time. That's a big part of why 2002 was the strongest year ever for BIONICLE sales, and why the LEGO Group tried to exploit that design for even more money with the next year's Bohrok-Kal.

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Posted Apr 16 2014 - 02:24 PM

Maybe the problem lies in the fundamental fact that we shouldn't have used Agori built to make STARS.

 

But unfortunately, that's just the reality we have to live in, because nothing nice happens amirite.


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Posted Apr 16 2014 - 02:38 PM

Maybe the problem lies in the fundamental fact that we shouldn't have used Agori built to make STARS.
 
But unfortunately, that's just the reality we have to live in, because nothing nice happens amirite.

Well, the sets would have had to mostly rely on the parts available to them in any case, and those happened to be the available parts that were geared towards building small sets. There is no situation whatsoever in which the Stars could have used those sets' original builds, because many of those relied on specialized parts that had been long retired by 2010. It's not as though the larger Glatorian parts would have made building a spherical Bohrok any easier.

I agree that the Agori/Av-Matoran build wasn't great, and the quality/value of the small sets from 2008 to 2010 was pretty shoddy compared to the 2007 and 2011 small sets, but I hope we can agree that the Stars did manage to improve on the 2008 Matoran and 2009 Agori considerably, with slightly higher piece counts on average and more diverse armor and builds than any such set besides the adorable Zesk. And they definitely surpassed the original batch of Hero Factory heroes in 2010, which despite nice-looking armor and proportions relied largely on lousy, overspecialized parts and builds with barely the slightest variation.

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Posted Apr 16 2014 - 04:28 PM

I think I would've enjoyed it if they just went ahead and made the rest of the Toa Nuva/Mata, just 'cause it woulda been a nice book end to the franchise to start and end with them in their original forms, but that really wouldn't have been satisfying as an all-stars lineup. I agree that Gresh and Skrall coulda been replaced with something else, 'cause I felt like it was just too soon to bring em out again. 2009 was just the previous year, what's the point of reintroducing them with smaller builds? I would've liked to see more old characters. If anything, either Gresh or Skrall or could stay but the other would have to go. We had Tahu for 2001, Takanuva for 2003/2008, the Rahkshi I consider 2004/5 'cause that was around the time that heat-vision yellow Rahkshi was introduced, Nektann obviously for 2006, and Gresh and Skrall are both for 2009. Could've pulled something else out for the missed years, like 2002, 2004/5 (imagine a Toa Metru/Hordika? Or a Vahki/Visorak? Ooohhhh that woulda been neat!), 2007, and 2008 if Takanuva doesn't count for that. I'm also a fan of the Hahli Mahri Stars, I would've liked that, but there are also the Barraki and stuff. I think I just want a liiiittle more diversity in the year representations, ya know?

Idealy, there woulda been 10 Stars, one for each year, and that would've been perfect :)


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Posted Apr 16 2014 - 11:09 PM

If they're going to throw in Tahu and Takanuva in there, why not Kopaka too?


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Posted Apr 17 2014 - 04:37 AM

Gresh and Skrall were very pointless because they were just year before released as a sets. I would have liked more a Bohrok and Lewa or Toa Iruini sets than these glatorian apes.


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Posted Apr 17 2014 - 10:34 AM

Gresh and Skrall were very pointless because they were just year before released as a sets. I would have liked more a Bohrok and Lewa or Toa Iruini sets than these glatorian apes.

 

Gresh and Skrall being from the previous year was the whole point of including them (to have SOMETHING to connect the sets to the previous year for new fans). Arguably you could have replaced Gresh OR Skrall, but not both, unless you had some other Glatorian-era character to replace them.


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Posted Apr 17 2014 - 04:44 PM

@Aanchir.

 

You have a good point about the size of the Axonn set. I don't actually own him, but I now realize that he was more bulky than tall. That size difference should still be reflected in a Stars set. However, when I think of Axonn, I think of how he is introduced in the comics, where he towers over Reidak and Thok and mops the floor with both of them. Being a massive muscular set fits much more into his storyline portrayal, I think. 


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Posted Apr 18 2014 - 02:45 PM

I'm kinda fine with the characters they picked, but I'm still annoyed that Takanuva took the place of ice and that Piraka was called Piraka instead of Skakdi, (or was is Skadki?) as the Piraka were only a specific 6. I suppose most people wouldn't know that if they weren't that into the story, but still. I'm also kinda disappointed that the rahkshi didn't have it's own staff blade mold.


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Posted Apr 18 2014 - 04:36 PM

 I think it should've had a bad guy and a good guy from each saga. Tahu makes sense, Takanuva makes sense, but giving him and Tahu a Piraka makes only a little bit. Give Tahu a bohrok/Kal, as Takanuva makes more sense fighting a Rahkshi. So give the Piraka an Inika/Mahri. Perhaps Nuparu or Hewkii. 

I would have liked to see a Toa Metru in there too, put them against a Vahki or a Visorak.


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Posted Apr 18 2014 - 08:18 PM

Maybe have a Bohrok in there (how that would work for such a small set I have no idea), or perhaps Kiina instead of Gresh and then just make Nektann green. Besides that, I really can't think any possible improvements. They more or less got the most important of the characters over the series. 


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Posted Apr 19 2014 - 02:18 AM

I wouldn't change the Stars... but 2 Titan sets with the MU and prototype robot would've been a dream come true for me :P
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Posted Apr 19 2014 - 11:23 AM

I relly liked the bionicle stars they put the rakshi tahu pikara and gresh but i would like if one of the barraki were there like kalmah or takadox and if jaller or one of the inika were in that set
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Posted Apr 20 2014 - 02:13 PM

Trade generic Skrall for any named character. Vezon's colors could work, but a Roodaka return? Oh, yes. I'm actually fine with a generic Rahkshi because Rahkshi were awesome.

 

Why was Nektann marketed as "Piraka"? I know a fan suggested the character's existence, but the name was created by LEGO before that.


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Posted Apr 20 2014 - 02:17 PM

Why was Nektann marketed as "Piraka"? I know a fan suggested the character's existence, but the name was created by LEGO before that.

The set was originally called Piraka, but by the time LEGO decided to call it Nektann, all the pakaging had been made under "Piraka."


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Posted Apr 20 2014 - 02:31 PM

Why was Nektann marketed as "Piraka"? I know a fan suggested the character's existence, but the name was created by LEGO before that.

The set was originally called Piraka, but by the time LEGO decided to call it Nektann, all the pakaging had been made under "Piraka."

Perhaps more importantly, a set called "Piraka" would probably have stronger brand-name appeal than one called "Nektann" because "Nektann" was a name that only people who followed the story intently would know and recognize the meaning of, while "Piraka" would be familiar and recognizable to anyone who had encountered 2006 sets and marketing materials. Same deal with Rahkshi. The legal department probably could have come up with a trademarkable name for heat vision Rahkshi, but why bother when the name "Rahkshi" would be much more recognizable to any BIONICLE fan than a new name plucked from thin air? All things considered, the term Rahkshi probably has more memories attached to it among the general populace than any individual Rahkshi name, especially since the Rahkshi were never referred to by their individual names in BIONICLE: Mask of Light, their main media appearance.

If it were simply a matter of not knowing the Piraka set's identity, it could have just as easily been called Skakdi. But like Nektann, this was a much more obscure term than Piraka, never used during 2006 when Skakdi characters had the most relevance, and never attached to major marketing materials. Only people who followed the BIONICLE story online or read BIONICLE: World would be likely to know it, unlike names like Tahu, Takanuva, Rahkshi, and Piraka.

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