What is the Red Star?

[Tuuli]

Hello my fellow inhabitants. Today I'd like to talk a little about the red star. With many theories already, I can't say for certain this thread will offer any new information but I'll still go on anyway.

 

So first of all what is the red star? It's the place, where all the dead go to be rebuilt and placed back in the robot, but it malfunctioned. The dead would remain inside the star. But moving onward, a toa one stated that the red star "looked like being on the inside of a toa" so my theory is that the red star itself is another giant robot. I don't know how significant that would be, but that's what I think.

 

Another note, I think Tahu and the red star may have something in common, for Tahu was one of the last sets ever sold (Bionicle Stars) and if you think about it, Tahu is the "red star" being the red one out of the bionicle stars sets. So what does this mean now? What does it mean for Tahu? Please share your thoughts. Thank you for reading.

[Pohatu: Uniter of Stone]

I disagree with the Tahu theory, the reason they chose Tahu is because he's probably the most well-known Bionicle character, the leader of the Toa Nuva and beloved by fans worldwide.

[Chro]

So first of all what is the red star? It's the place, where all the dead go to be rebuilt and placed back in the robot, but it malfunctioned. The dead would remain inside the star. But moving onward, a toa one stated that the red star "looked like being on the inside of a toa" so my theory is that the red star itself is another giant robot. I don't know how significant that would be, but that's what I think.

The Red Star is a space station formerly located above Aqua Magna that acted as a booster for the Great Spirit Robot, helping it to take off from planets and fly through space more easily. Can you find the original "inside a Toa" quote? I don't remember that one.

 

Another note, I think Tahu and the red star may have something in common, for Tahu was one of the last sets ever sold (Bionicle Stars) and if you think about it, Tahu is the "red star" being the red one out of the bionicle stars sets. So what does this mean now? What does it mean for Tahu?

It means nothing. That's simply a coincidence.

[bonesiii]

the red star "looked like being on the inside of a toa" so my theory is that the red star itself is another giant robot.

 

You're misremembering that quote. From Toa Nuva Blog, entry 8:

 

As instructed, I focused the telescope on the red star far above. I made careful note of the location of the star in space, its angle to the planet, its brightness and whether it seemed to be moving away from the island, toward it, or remaining parallel to it.

 

Something – I don't know what – suddenly prompted me to combine the power of my Mask of X-Ray Vision with the telescope's ability. I focused on the red star ... and stumbled back, shocked. For I had seen inside the star, and where I expected there to be a fiery heart of energy, I instead saw ... I can hardly even carve the words on this stone ...

 

There was something alive inside the star!

All it says is there were beings inside, nothing about looking like they were "inside a Toa." It is not a giant robot, it's a booster-rocket satellite.

 

However, the difference is only one of shape and details of function; both the Red Star and the giant robot are essentially spacecraft. Think of the Red Star as like those temporary rockets that would attach to a space shuttle on launch and then break away, except it first attaches during launch (midway up), and stays attached once in orbit. (Plus the reviving functions of course.)

[maxim21]

I think he refers to the Chapter 3 of TPTB :

 

 

Pohatu wasn’t sure what to expect – he had never been inside a “star” before. When Gaardus opened his wings and stepped away, the Toa of Stone looked around. He was inside a curved hallway. The walls seemed to be a combination of metal bands and organic tissue, much the way he imagined the inside of a Toa would look. Steeling himself, he reached out and touched one of the surfaces. Both metal and tissue were still and cold as ice.

 

That's interesting, I didn't remark that bit before. Don't know what to think about it, though.

[bonesiii]

Ah, you're right, that has to be what he meant. Well, it's worth noting that the inside of the giant robot is not like that. So that isn't evidence of giant-robot-ness. It's apparently evidence of biomechanicalness, or cybernetics. (Bionic.)

[fishers64]

It might also be evidence that the Red Star was once or is alive (the only other thing that had the power of life, the Mask of Life, is alive, so I wouldn't rule it out).

 

Although it can technically still revive beings, in theory, so if the aliveness is part of its power it's probably still alive.

Edited May 5, 2014 by fishers64

[Tuuli]

I didn't mean to say anything wrong in my original message, but I must add on I recalled the Tahu theory when I saw an old comic book teaser for bionicle stars where it shows stars and a constellation of Tahu where he has a big star on his heart. I think that could have been Mata nui pointing at the red star, and Tahu being the "red" bionicle star set

[Cambion]

the red star is the place where all your hopes and dreams of bionicle having a good post-journey's end storyline went to die

[TERIDAX941]

I didn't mean to say anything wrong in my original message, but I must add on I recalled the Tahu theory when I saw an old comic book teaser for bionicle stars where it shows stars and a constellation of Tahu where he has a big star on his heart. I think that could have been Mata nui pointing at the red star, and Tahu being the "red" bionicle star set

I saw that, I always wondered what that was all about...

[Tuuli]

Nice try and thank you for all your speculations, but the red star is the third giant robot. Not a space station, not a rocket, a robot. A giant sized bionicle.

 

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Pohatu wasnt sure what to expect he had never been inside a star before. When Gaardus opened his wings and stepped away, the Toa of Stone looked around. He was inside a curved hallway. The walls seemed to be a combination of metal bands and organic tissue, much the way he imagined the inside of a Toa would look. Steeling himself, he reached out and touched one of the surfaces. Both metal and tissue were still and cold as ice.

[shadow pridak money gang]

wait so was this a guessing game or not because "nice try and thanks" sounds like you knew the answer all along and this was a pretty worthless topic

 

-Tyler

[TheGreatSpirit]

I know I'm a new member, but I've been reading the "Chat with Greg Farshtey" thread on Lego Community (which is still going btw), and from what I've read here's how it goes:

 

The Red Star's main purpose was to "revive" deceased inhabitants of the MU. What happened is that whatever remains of the dead being is teleported up. If the head is intact, then the brainwaves are transferred over to a new, identical body. The being is then teleported back to a location far away from where they died (so they don't just die again if they were in the middle of a battle). If the head is missing, then RIP forever (unless the being has died before, in which case they could use earlier data to work from).

 

Extra Notes:

 

In recent years (I'm guessing the last few thousand), the return function broke, and revived beings are trapped.

However, it was working earlier in Bionicle history. Why is this relevant? Well, remember Lesovikk's team? The one that died a looooong time? Well, someone on the forum asked Greg whether they had been revived and sent back, and if so, why hasn't Lesovikk encountered them? According to Greg, they actually WERE revived and sent back. However, because they were teleported far away from where they originally died, who knows what obstacles they would encounter?

 

And what about Botar? Why hasn't he teleported himself and others back?

Greg answered this too. The experience, according to him, is very disorienting. In addition, Greg noted that he may have had moral qualms about bringing the dead back? Perhaps he thought they should stay dead.

 

Anyways, another thing to consider is the fact that this only worked for inhabitants inside the MU; it doesn't work on beings outside the MU (mainly because MU beings are not supposed to be outside of it)

 

 

Well, that's all I know. If you wanna read the thread or ask Greg yourself about these things, simply Google it. I can't recommend it enough.

[bonesiii]

Ras, this forum is for talking about what is and isn't canon -- and it is not canon that it's a giant robot. You're free to imagine so for your own roleplaying or fanfics or whatever but it's best not to make it sound like that "is" what it is. (We usually call that headcanon.) Or maybe you actually thought it was canon, if so, pardon for misreading you, but that's not the case.

 

I think you're correct technically that it's a not a space station either; pretty sure Greg said it wasn't, at some point. But he has called it a "satellite" and we do know it's a booster rocket (though this isn't really its primary purpose). In terms of the giant robot, it's best seen as a giant backpack; it attaches to the Mata Nui robot's back.

 

The quote from Pohatu was already discussed above; that doesn't comment on the shape of the Red Star or if it's robotic. All it says is that it has components that look organic (which a robot doesn't have BTW), and that Pohatu imagines that's similar to what the inside of a Toa would look like. He's talking about the organic part, not the shape of a Toa. What it's made of, not its shape. Make sense?

[Tuuli]

Most beings in the matoran universe are biomechanical and it seems so it's the red star for it is metal and organic tissue which is how most beings are and I mean Toa, matoran, skakdi and even the giant robot.

 

So if the giant robot is biomechanical so would be the red star? I know there has never been a close up of the red star and it would make more sense that the great beings constructed a smaller robot to help Mata nui achieve his goals.

 

At least that was why the proto type robot was created, but the great beings were powerful and could have easily made a smaller giant robot. Think about this, can we have a "rocket booster"and act like it's a mundane part of the spirit robot or it can be a whole new universe itself. Another giant robot.

[bonesiii]

So if the giant robot is biomechanical so would be the red star?

I covered this above; the giant robot does not have biological components. It seems the Red Star might (though that wasn't directly confirmed as far as I know; all we know is Pohatu thought it looked like that), but the robot doesn't (which is why it's a robot ).

 

it would make more sense that the great beings constructed a smaller robot to help Mata nui achieve his goals.

They were planning to -- but this would not make sense as a booster rocket. Think about it -- Mata Nui's backpack rocket shaped like a smaller robot? That'd be rather strange. It also wouldn't fit with the only portrayal we have of it which is as a spheroid shape (not humanoid).

 

For the record, it was also confirmed the Great Beings never did make the third robot. And since the prototype robot isn't the Red Star either, it can't be another giant robot.

 

Think about this, can we have a "rocket booster"and act like it's a mundane part of the spirit robot or it can be a whole new universe itself. Another giant robot.

Again, it isn't up to us, at least for what this forum division is for -- the canon. And it isn't a mundane part -- it has a "mundane" function in addition to its very not-mundane function -- rocket-boosting in addition to its reviving. And its outer shape really doesn't matter as it sort of IS another (smaller) universe in a sense; beings live inside it, after all, just like beings live inside the giant robot (but not on paradise-like islands ).

[Tuuli]

But saying the giant robot isn't biomechanical would be treason because it or a life form, a giant, robotic being with organic insides (at least o think because it would be more true to the biological chronicle) a story about biomechanical heroes defending the large biomechanical being. Also, Christian Faber once said that the matoran universe is a "biomechanical universe" to where the matoran nanobots love and work to help the great spirit remain healthy.

[TERIDAX941]

Treason to who exactly?

 

And by biological chronicle, it's referring to the story of the Matoran, agori, and so forth. The entire story started off with those biomechanical characters, living on a paradise island, without any giant robot to speak of, at least none that we could see, so the giant robot doesn't harm the chronicle at all.

 

And I'm pretty sure that Faber said it was a biomechanical universe because that's what the majority of the population consisted of (minus the bohrok, and other robotics)

 

The giant robot, (and the prototype one) were just robots, no organics included. Albeit, Mata Nui's had islands and stuff to sustain the population tasks with keeping him alive, but as far as the actual robot goes, it's just mechanics.

[bonesiii]

The only organics that would really count as part of the robot, versus its inhabitants, would be the plants on the lands inside the domes, but this isn't like the flesh-appearing wall of the Red Star. Again, it's called a "robot" intentionally; that term in Bionicle means "without organics" (well, the Bohrok's Krana were organic, but were like riders inside robotic vehicles, and could be removed). The robot itself isn't exactly a life-form, it's a robot, controlled by a lifeform; the Great Spirit.

[Tuuli]

Don't tell me I'm wrong. I don't appreciate you telling me that my perception is not reality and would just like to talk about it.

[Chro]

Ras, listen, we understand that you have an interesting theory here. I personally actually like the idea of the Red Star being a robot.

However, the purpose of the S&T forum is to ask questions and present theories to be answered, proven, or disproven, and as you can hopefully tell from our posts, the RS robot theory is disproven. We are not deciding that your theory is a bad idea and that we don't like it so we're going to tell you no; we're telling you that according to Bionicle canon, the Red Star is not a robot. It's a sphere, the GBs never built the third robot, the GSR is entirely mechanical, et cetera.

As Bones has said, though, there's nothing at all preventing you from making this your headcanon.

 

the red star is the place where all your hopes and dreams of bionicle having a good post-journey's end storyline went to die

Well, they tried to. Unfortunately it revived them.

[Tuuli]

Is Bionicle even canon anymore? They left off the story at an interesting place and I just may be the one to start back off

[maxim21]

 

 

Is Bionicle even canon anymore? They left off the story at an interesting place and I just may be the one to start back off

I think that as long there is a Bionicle fandom, the Bionicle canon won't disappear. And if you want to expand on something, contradicting something already stated since a long time isn't the best way to do so, IMO.

[SarracenianKaijin]

REd Star is the commander of destiny. The judge of life and death. A cold, personless machine of unaware wicked cruelty.

[Constructelf]

REd Star is the commander of destiny. The judge of life and death. A cold, personless machine of unaware wicked cruelty.

... Just like every other Great Being contingency/intervention (Vorox modifications, Baterra, Marendar, etc). They have a pretty bad track record with that.

 

@Ras: even though the story has ended, what has already been written has been written, so as much as you may not like it, certain fandom theories can't fly if they contradict already existing canon. And like Chro said, this is the S&T section: we're here to discuss things based on what we know of the storyline.

[MetaToa]

I think that the Tahu part is merely a coincidence. The Red Star isn't like that. Its functions are to create a boost for Mata Nui, revive dead Matoran whose bodies are still at least somewhat intact, and potentially turn Matoran into Toa via lightning. Nothing that could mean anything significant for Tahu.

But saying the giant robot isn't biomechanical would be treason because it or a life form, a giant, robotic being with organic insides (at least o think because it would be more true to the biological chronicle) a story about biomechanical heroes defending the large biomechanical being. Also, Christian Faber once said that the matoran universe is a "biomechanical universe" to where the matoran nanobots love and work to help the great spirit remain healthy.

There is an actual quote (which I cannot, unfortunately, quote right now because I am on an outdated mobile device) stating that, when Makuta entered inside of Mata Nui, he ceased to consist of organic tissue, becoming merely armor and, I believe, Antidermis. Hence the Mata Nui "robot", not the Mata Nui cyborg.

 

Also, if Mata Nui were biomechanical, he wouldn't need the Matoran to be keeping him active.

[bonesiii]

There is an actual quote (which I cannot, unfortunately, quote right now because I am on an outdated mobile device) stating that, when Makuta entered inside of Mata Nui, he ceased to consist of organic tissue, becoming merely armor and, I believe, Antidermis.

All the Makuta ceased to be organic tissue long ago, soon after they overthrew Miserix and installed Teridax as leader of the Brotherhood, long before Mata Nui was cast into slumber. And they were antidermis the whole time -- previously, biomechanical antidermis, and then they turned into the gaseous "energy" state contained by their armor (the armor and mask are protodermis though). This had nothing to do with the takeover of the giant robot. However, Makuta's mind was then presumably stored as software in the Core Processor, but I'm not sure if there's a quote actually confirming this.