Rumor: Bionicle's return in 2015

[Azani]

 

 

 

The Av-Matoran builds weren't that bad, in my opinion. Durable, and with plenty of different uses. And Bionicle was always a little darker than other Lego themes. There was a surprisingly large number of deaths in the first movie for a Lego theme, if you stop and think about it. Bionicle was always a little more mature than other themes, and I liked that about it. As I matured more, the story grew darker, and I really liked that, because it felt like the story was growing with me.

 

Getting "dark" isn't "growing up", especially not how Bionicle did it. Voya Nui was the darkest, grittiest location Bionicle ever had, and you know what? It felt like a farce. Locations and Rahi were described by how many people they'd killed, characters constantly made sure to trash the brighter mood of earlier years, everything was extreme and deadly, blah blah blah. It was terrible. That's not the Bionicle I want to come back, and that's probably not the Bionicle that's coming back. Do you know why?

 

 

Sorry, I had to come back to this after rereading it. You're complaining that locations and rahi were described by how many people they've killed, but last time I checked (and I live in Australia, so I check often), that's the way we gauge how dangerous a thing or place is in real life as well. You can't fault Bionicle for being realistic and logical for once.

 

 

Except it wasn't just to gauge how dangerous it was. It was describing ANYTHING on the island. Was Mata Nui described similarly? Was the Vuata Maca described as the darkest, most terrifying tree that a Matoran once exploded upon attempting to climb? Was the Mangai Volcano described as a death pit that could roast any Matoran that fell into it? Was the Hoi described as a terrible beast of torment that claimed the lives of thousands of Matoran each day? Because that's what I mean. Everything on Voya Nui was described like that. The entire island was like a bad parody of a dangerous location.

 

There was a very unique purpose to those over-the-top descriptions in the Voya Nui arc; regardless of how ridiculous they might have seemed, they were crucial to creating the mood that defined the storyline of that year. 2006 was all about a group of heroes that had to hold tightly to courage and hope in the face of a situation that was really bad. Following every single piece of the story as it was released, as I did as an active fan in 2006, I didn't feel disturbed or overwhelmed by the allusions to violence that mostly existed on the edges of that year's books and promotional material. I saw them as a little ridiculous, but the atmosphere was balanced very well by the attitudes of the Toa Inika and the resisting Matoran and the soaring songs such as Move Along that accompanied the promotions that were the second, indispensable piece of the emotional arc of that year; courage triumphing in the face of terrible odds. The storyline definitely took a major risk in 2006, switching i's usual agenda over for something entirely new, but both the softer stories of the past years and the harsher stories of that year were both good writing. Despite their significant differences, both performed their functions quite well.

[Nato G]

 

 

 

The Av-Matoran builds weren't that bad, in my opinion. Durable, and with plenty of different uses. And Bionicle was always a little darker than other Lego themes. There was a surprisingly large number of deaths in the first movie for a Lego theme, if you stop and think about it. Bionicle was always a little more mature than other themes, and I liked that about it. As I matured more, the story grew darker, and I really liked that, because it felt like the story was growing with me. 

 

Getting "dark" isn't "growing up", especially not how Bionicle did it. Voya Nui was the darkest, grittiest location Bionicle ever had, and you know what? It felt like a farce. Locations and Rahi were described by how many people they'd killed, characters constantly made sure to trash the brighter mood of earlier years, everything was extreme and deadly, blah blah blah. It was terrible. That's not the Bionicle I want to come back, and that's probably not the Bionicle that's coming back. Do you know why?

 

Sorry, I had to come back to this after rereading it. You're complaining that locations and rahi were described by how many people they've killed, but last time I checked (and I live in Australia, so I check often), that's the way we gauge how dangerous a thing or place is in real life as well. You can't fault Bionicle for being realistic and logical for once.

 

 

Except it wasn't just to gauge how dangerous it was. It was describing ANYTHING on the island. Was Mata Nui described similarly? Was the Vuata Maca described as the darkest, most terrifying tree that a Matoran once exploded upon attempting to climb? Was the Mangai Volcano described as a death pit that could roast any Matoran that fell into it? Was the Hoi described as a terrible beast of torment that claimed the lives of thousands of Matoran each day? Because that's what I mean. Everything on Voya Nui was described like that. The entire island was like a bad parody of a dangerous location.

 

 

But that's justified, since Mata Nui was meant to be an island paradise, whereas Voya Nui was a fiery ###### (EDIT: okay, seriously, why is the opposite of heaven filtered?) by comparison. Voya Nui was a dangerous location because it was the hiding place of the legendary Mask of Life. The volcano was violently active, the landscape had been decimated by a hurricane, and, to top it all off, the Piraka had gone through and conquered the place.

 

I think the whole thing was meant to establish the idea that the stakes of the story had been raised, and that they were now fighting to save Mata Nui's life. Voya Nui wasn't a "bad parody" of a dangerous location, it was a dangerous location. 

Edited August 27, 2014 by NatoGreavesy

[believe victims]

 

 

 

 

The Av-Matoran builds weren't that bad, in my opinion. Durable, and with plenty of different uses. And Bionicle was always a little darker than other Lego themes. There was a surprisingly large number of deaths in the first movie for a Lego theme, if you stop and think about it. Bionicle was always a little more mature than other themes, and I liked that about it. As I matured more, the story grew darker, and I really liked that, because it felt like the story was growing with me. 

 

Getting "dark" isn't "growing up", especially not how Bionicle did it. Voya Nui was the darkest, grittiest location Bionicle ever had, and you know what? It felt like a farce. Locations and Rahi were described by how many people they'd killed, characters constantly made sure to trash the brighter mood of earlier years, everything was extreme and deadly, blah blah blah. It was terrible. That's not the Bionicle I want to come back, and that's probably not the Bionicle that's coming back. Do you know why?

 

Sorry, I had to come back to this after rereading it. You're complaining that locations and rahi were described by how many people they've killed, but last time I checked (and I live in Australia, so I check often), that's the way we gauge how dangerous a thing or place is in real life as well. You can't fault Bionicle for being realistic and logical for once.

 

 

Except it wasn't just to gauge how dangerous it was. It was describing ANYTHING on the island. Was Mata Nui described similarly? Was the Vuata Maca described as the darkest, most terrifying tree that a Matoran once exploded upon attempting to climb? Was the Mangai Volcano described as a death pit that could roast any Matoran that fell into it? Was the Hoi described as a terrible beast of torment that claimed the lives of thousands of Matoran each day? Because that's what I mean. Everything on Voya Nui was described like that. The entire island was like a bad parody of a dangerous location.

 

 

But that's justified, since Mata Nui was meant to be an island paradise, whereas Voya Nui was a fiery ###### (EDIT: okay, seriously, why is the opposite of heaven filtered?) by comparison. Voya Nui was a dangerous location because it was the hiding place of the legendary Mask of Life. The volcano was violently active, the landscape had been decimated by a hurricane, and, to top it all off, the Piraka had gone through and conquered the place.

 

I think the whole thing was meant to establish the idea that the stakes of the story had been raised, and that they were now fighting to save Mata Nui's life. Voya Nui wasn't a "bad parody" of a dangerous location, it was a dangerous location. 

 

 

It came off as a bad parody; Greg Farshtey went over the top to try and establish it as a dangerous location, and thus turned it into a crude farce of one.

[AdaptingChaos]

 

 

 

 

 

The Av-Matoran builds weren't that bad, in my opinion. Durable, and with plenty of different uses. And Bionicle was always a little darker than other Lego themes. There was a surprisingly large number of deaths in the first movie for a Lego theme, if you stop and think about it. Bionicle was always a little more mature than other themes, and I liked that about it. As I matured more, the story grew darker, and I really liked that, because it felt like the story was growing with me. 

 

Getting "dark" isn't "growing up", especially not how Bionicle did it. Voya Nui was the darkest, grittiest location Bionicle ever had, and you know what? It felt like a farce. Locations and Rahi were described by how many people they'd killed, characters constantly made sure to trash the brighter mood of earlier years, everything was extreme and deadly, blah blah blah. It was terrible. That's not the Bionicle I want to come back, and that's probably not the Bionicle that's coming back. Do you know why?

 

Sorry, I had to come back to this after rereading it. You're complaining that locations and rahi were described by how many people they've killed, but last time I checked (and I live in Australia, so I check often), that's the way we gauge how dangerous a thing or place is in real life as well. You can't fault Bionicle for being realistic and logical for once.

 

 

Except it wasn't just to gauge how dangerous it was. It was describing ANYTHING on the island. Was Mata Nui described similarly? Was the Vuata Maca described as the darkest, most terrifying tree that a Matoran once exploded upon attempting to climb? Was the Mangai Volcano described as a death pit that could roast any Matoran that fell into it? Was the Hoi described as a terrible beast of torment that claimed the lives of thousands of Matoran each day? Because that's what I mean. Everything on Voya Nui was described like that. The entire island was like a bad parody of a dangerous location.

 

 

But that's justified, since Mata Nui was meant to be an island paradise, whereas Voya Nui was a fiery ###### (EDIT: okay, seriously, why is the opposite of heaven filtered?) by comparison. Voya Nui was a dangerous location because it was the hiding place of the legendary Mask of Life. The volcano was violently active, the landscape had been decimated by a hurricane, and, to top it all off, the Piraka had gone through and conquered the place.

 

I think the whole thing was meant to establish the idea that the stakes of the story had been raised, and that they were now fighting to save Mata Nui's life. Voya Nui wasn't a "bad parody" of a dangerous location, it was a dangerous location. 

 

 

It came off as a bad parody; Greg Farshtey went over the top to try and establish it as a dangerous location, and thus turned it into a crude farce of one.

 

But I mean wasn't Voya Nui considered "Island of Doom"? I think that wouldn't necessarily be all of Greg's fault for trying to make the story a little darker. I mean Mata Nui was dying. And all in all I really don't consider 2006 and beyond becoming "dark", sure there were aspects that did become a little dark but I think overall it was a good year and I enjoyed it a ton.

[Toatapio Nuva]

I just have to add something to the Bionicle-got-too-dark discussion.

 

I didn't find the villains' brutal behavior half as disturbing as the fact that the heroes behaved in a similar manner. In 2006 the story grew darker, but the main problem with that was that the heroes followed this trend. The Matoran we knew and loved in 2001-2003 were now Toa, but they barely acted like heroes, instead resorting to violence and having depressive, anger-fuelled dialogue.

[Nato G]

I just have to add something to the Bionicle-got-too-dark discussion.

 

I didn't find the villains' brutal behavior half as disturbing as the fact that the heroes behaved in a similar manner. In 2006 the story grew darker, but the main problem with that was that the heroes followed this trend. The Matoran we knew and loved in 2001-2003 were now Toa, but they barely acted like heroes, instead resorting to violence and having depressive, anger-fuelled dialogue.

 

Desperate times call for desperate measures? The Great Spirit was dying, after all.

 

That said, I will agree that it did seem a little over the top.

Edited August 27, 2014 by NatoGreavesy

[Jakura Nuva]

Makes sense to me. I don't think there's one superhero ever who hasn't experienced a moment where something so dire happens that he gets violent over it. Remember when the Joker killed Robin? And then Batman found out? It wasn't pretty. It doesn't make it right, but the point still remains - when your enemies get more murderous, you feel the need to adapt to deal with them. Maybe that's how it went with the Inika.

Edited August 27, 2014 by Jakura Nuva

[Makuta Miras]

Also, just to add to that, always keep the OOMN in mind. Especially Helryx. And Zaria.

 

[Edit] Whoops, forgot about this! Introducing...

Alpha Kopaka!

Edited August 27, 2014 by Makuta Miras

[Irrie]

So...where exactly are people getting these names with Greek letters added? 

[Aanchir]

So...where exactly are people getting these names with Greek letters added?

It's some running joke from some podcast, I think. I don't know if it was ever actually funny, but for some reason people won't shut up about it. Hopefully once we have official set names we're allowed to discuss it will finally die.

[Mendicant]

I think Bionicle would be best served returning to its roots, using 2015 as a full line reboot, casting aside the convoluted decades worth of material. Frankly, IMO, it would be better for it. The fiction that had been established lost a great deal of weight and coherency in its last years, and I feel this is a grand opportunity to, using hindsight, to find what worked about the line, and what weighed it down. Also, we have to keep in mind this is going to be aimed at 9-14, and that range will have no idea of Bionicle and its previous canon. Take advantage of that to introduce us to this world again, and take us on a new journey.

 

Return to the fantasy and tribal nature of the original line, the ominous shadow of the villain, and that sense of new and adventure. Bionicle would do well to return to its roots, thereby casting it in a different light from Hero Factory, and other major toy lines available right now.

[fishers64]

 

So...where exactly are people getting these names with Greek letters added?

It's some running joke from some podcast, I think. I don't know if it was ever actually funny, but for some reason people won't shut up about it. Hopefully once we have official set names we're allowed to discuss it will finally die.

 

Actually, Omega Tahu was a preliminary name for Tahu Stars, which the Internet dug out to be this hugely awesome set, and then we got Tahu Stars...yeah. I'm not sure why the "return" talk is bringing that up again, as a preliminary design from 2010 would be unlikely to get in a 2014 set design, but you know...

 

When the Internet is actually composed of logic, my ears will turn green and flying pigs will happen. 

[That Matoran with a Vahi]

Wait, wait, wait... so I only read the first and last few pages because I don't have the time required to browse sixty-something pages... but I'm thoroughly lost. When did the topic under discussion go from being 'just an unlikely rumour' to something that people seem to be implying is confirmed? I'm confused.

Edited August 27, 2014 by Darth Jaller

[Spectral_Rain]

So...where exactly are people getting these names with Greek letters added? 

one of the guys on the three virtures podcasts had a dream that bionicle came back(this happened before  the bionicle rumors)and he saw a shiny tahu on store shelfs and it was called "omega tahu" and now that we know that bionicle is coming back it is ironically funny that his dream is coming back, especially sense they interveiwed greg and told him about the dream. i think that is what happened

[Aanchir]

Actually, Omega Tahu was a preliminary name for Tahu Stars, which the Internet dug out to be this hugely awesome set, and then we got Tahu Stars...yeah. I'm not sure why the "return" talk is bringing that up again, as a preliminary design from 2010 would be unlikely to get in a 2014 set design, but you know...

I've never heard such a thing regarding the preliminary names of the BIONICLE Stars. As far as I know, Tahu was always just called Tahu. Are you sure that's not just a random rumor?

 

Wait, wait, wait... so I only read the first and last few pages because I don't have the time required to browse sixty-something pages... but I'm thoroughly lost. When did the topic under discussion go from being 'just an unlikely rumour' to something that people seem to be implying is confirmed? I'm confused.

Most of the evidence that has appeared is leaked, and so not able to be discussed here, but it's pretty decisive (in the very least, it would take an extraordinary amount of effort and coordination to fake).

 

There's also the fact that the LEGO Group inadvertently put a "coming soon" page up for when you search for BIONICLE on their online shop. This has since been taken down, replaced with a redirect to the Hero Factory page like there had been before, but it's still something that points towards BIONICLE's return, especially since this "coming soon" page didn't appear for any other search terms people tried — just BIONICLE.

 

You're right that when this topic started there was nothing but idle speculation to go on — the same type of speculation there has been pretty much every year. And I treated it with about the same amount of skepticism as I had every other year — sure, BIONICLE could be coming back, but there was no real evidence to suggest it. The first major leaks started to turn up towards the beginning of July, and since then the evidence for BIONICLE's return has only gotten stronger.

Edited August 27, 2014 by Aanchir

[That Matoran with a Vahi]

Huh. I have to confess, a Bionicle return would certainly make me curious; but I can't see myself investing in it, even when it does happen. I know I still lurk and post here now and again, but for the most part, Bionicle's a part of my past and I'm content to let it remain so. Still, I guess it's cool to know it's not as dead as I thought.

 

At any rate, thanks a lot for filling me in ^^

Edited August 27, 2014 by Darth Jaller

[Azani]

 

 

So...where exactly are people getting these names with Greek letters added?

It's some running joke from some podcast, I think. I don't know if it was ever actually funny, but for some reason people won't shut up about it. Hopefully once we have official set names we're allowed to discuss it will finally die.

 

Actually, Omega Tahu was a preliminary name for Tahu Stars, which the Internet dug out to be this hugely awesome set, and then we got Tahu Stars...yeah. I'm not sure why the "return" talk is bringing that up again, as a preliminary design from 2010 would be unlikely to get in a 2014 set design, but you know...

 

When the Internet is actually composed of logic, my ears will turn green and flying pigs will happen.

 

In regards to the name "Omega Tahu", any connection to a preliminary name for the Tahu Stars set isn't one that I've ever been able to find any evidence for. I guarantee that the recent wave of popularity for the name comes from the fame acquired by TTV's interview with Greg Farshtey and the subsequent hit that was "Ven's Dream", one of the best known and funniest of TTV's segments. Ven's Dream, which discussed a dream from cast member Venom, involved a revival of Bionicle that featured an "Omega Tahu" set, the return of collectible Kanohi, and a variety of other awesome things. After the list of set names and the colored leaked picture proved that a titan sized Tahu set was slated for release in 2015, "Omega Tahu" flew to a position of viral popularity and Delta Onua, Alpha Kopaka, Theta Lewa, Gamma Gali, and Beta Pohatu followed soon after. Their story is still just beginning.

 

 

So...where exactly are people getting these names with Greek letters added?

one of the guys on the three virtures podcasts had a dream that bionicle came back(this happened before  the bionicle rumors)and he saw a shiny tahu on store shelfs and it was called "omega tahu" and now that we know that bionicle is coming back it is ironically funny that his dream is coming back, especially sense they interveiwed greg and told him about the dream. i think that is what happened

 

This is reasonably close to the way that such a term as "Omega Tahu" climbed to its current level of insane popularity, although I wanted to point out that the current situation isn't ironic in light of the subject matter of Ven's Dream; rather, it's fitting, as the dream predicted the release of an Omega Tahu set. If, for example, the leaked list of set names had revealed that an Omega Tiribomba set was coming, then that would be ironic; however, our expectations matched the situation fitting.

Edited August 28, 2014 by Azani

[Turaga Jack]

[boop]

 

 

 

 

Edit: Leaked content removed.

-Wind-

Edited August 27, 2014 by -Windrider-

[Azani]

[boop]

Unfortunately, I'm almost certain that this is against the rules. Since the site isn't very welcoming of leaked content such as this, I'd recommend that you remove it. The staff are enforcing a policy of taking one point of proto per offense that relates to leaked content, including this list and other similar lists.

Edited August 27, 2014 by -Windrider-

[Nato G]

[boop]

 

I live in Australia and New Zealand prices are usually pretty close to ours, but even so, these prices do seem a bit much. Agori/Matoran sets were usually around $10-$12 (except the stars, which were overpriced between $15-$20). Toa/Glatorian ranged from $15-$25 over the years, as the sets grew bigger, and titans were usually somewhere between $30 to $45, depending on the size. Combiner sets were even more expensive, usually in the hundreds.  

 

Wait... is this list official, or is it a leak, which we are then not meant to be discussing? 

 

EDIT: Okay, it's gone, I guess it's leaked. 

Edited August 28, 2014 by NatoGreavesy

[Azani]

 

[boop]

 

I live in Australia and New Zealand prices are usually pretty close to ours, but even so, these prices do seem a bit much. Agori/Matoran sets were usually around $10-$12 (except the stars, which were overpriced between $15-$20). Toa/Glatorian ranged from $15-$25 over the years, as the sets grew bigger, and titans were usually somewhere between $30 to $45, depending on the size. Combiner sets were even more expensive, usually in the hundreds.  

 

Wait... is this list official, or is it a leak, which we are then not meant to be discussing?

 

It's a leak, with any doubt about its status resolved by a glance at its introduction on Eurobricks:

 

All I got from David Thomsen. Nothing new, I think.

David Thomsen has recently leaked lists and prices for Legends of Chima and Lego Star Wars sets. He's by no means an official representative of TLG, and this list has clearly been leaked.

Edited August 27, 2014 by -Windrider-

[Sardrox: Will of Makuta]

Well, 19.99 NZ equals 16.75 US, while 24.99 NZ is 20.94 US. Assuming that these sets are going to be fairly large. I guess this is their way of apologizing for giving us the atrocities that were the Bionicle Stars: by giving us larger than usual sets upon the return. 

[Aanchir]

Well, 19.99 NZ equals 16.75 US, while 24.99 NZ is 20.94 US. Assuming that these sets are going to be fairly large. I guess this is their way of apologizing for giving us the atrocities that were the Bionicle Stars: by giving us larger than usual sets upon the return.

LEGO prices don't convert like that at all — different countries pay different amounts regardless of their exchange rates. As an example, the $10 Hero Factory sets this year cost $20 in New Zealand, and the $15 sets this year cost $25 in New Zealand.

 

Not that there's much else to say about prices until we have a non-leaked source for them, but when you DO see LEGO prices for any country, don't just plug them into a currency converter — look at which actual, current sets have similar prices in that country and what THEY cost in other parts of the world.

Edited August 27, 2014 by Aanchir

[Turaga Jack]

[boop]

 

 

 

 

Edit: Leaked content removed.

-Wind-

Oh, sorry about that, I guess I thought that just applied to pictures for some reason.

[Nato G]

Okay, I'm getting very bored of all of this information coming to light, then subsequently being revealed to be leaked, and thus not allowed to be discussed. We need to pool our resources and bribe/beg/bully Lego into making an official announcement (although personally, I think the fact that they haven't denied the rumours is the same as confirming them). I needs knowledge! I can't wait for 2015, I must know now!!!

[Jakura Nuva]

 

So...where exactly are people getting these names with Greek letters added?

It's some running joke from some podcast, I think. I don't know if it was ever actually funny, but for some reason people won't shut up about it. Hopefully once we have official set names we're allowed to discuss it will finally die.

I'm doubting it - from the looks of things, once these are released, the TTV podcast is going to get even more promotional about the name

[believe victims]

Okay, I'm getting very bored of all of this information coming to light, then subsequently being revealed to be leaked, and thus not allowed to be discussed. We need to pool our resources and bribe/beg/bully Lego into making an official announcement (although personally, I think the fact that they haven't denied the rumours is the same as confirming them). I needs knowledge! I can't wait for 2015, I must know now!!!

 

...that is literally the worst way to go about this. For starters, if Lego leaked secrets every time someone begged, they'd go out of business.

[Nato G]

 

Okay, I'm getting very bored of all of this information coming to light, then subsequently being revealed to be leaked, and thus not allowed to be discussed. We need to pool our resources and bribe/beg/bully Lego into making an official announcement (although personally, I think the fact that they haven't denied the rumours is the same as confirming them). I needs knowledge! I can't wait for 2015, I must know now!!!

 

...that is literally the worst way to go about this. For starters, if Lego leaked secrets every time someone begged, they'd go out of business.

 

 

You know this is a joke, right?

 

Obviously it isn't going to work. I'm expressing my dislike for the fact that Lego hasn't said anything at all about these rumours. 

 

Besides, Lego wouldn't be leaking any secrets. Someone else already did that. I just want Lego to take responsibility for their security issue and tell us whether the already-leaked secrets are legit or not. Big difference. 

Edited August 28, 2014 by NatoGreavesy

[believe victims]

 

 

Okay, I'm getting very bored of all of this information coming to light, then subsequently being revealed to be leaked, and thus not allowed to be discussed. We need to pool our resources and bribe/beg/bully Lego into making an official announcement (although personally, I think the fact that they haven't denied the rumours is the same as confirming them). I needs knowledge! I can't wait for 2015, I must know now!!!

 

...that is literally the worst way to go about this. For starters, if Lego leaked secrets every time someone begged, they'd go out of business.

 

 

You know this is a joke, right?

 

Obviously it isn't going to work. I'm expressing my dislike for the fact that Lego hasn't said anything at all about these rumours. 

 

Besides, Lego wouldn't be leaking any secrets. Someone else already did that. I just want Lego to take responsibility for their security issue and tell us whether the already-leaked secrets are legit or not. Big difference. 

 

 

But they won't do that, either, because it represents the same risk as if they just straight-up said it in the first place. Lego has a company policy of not acknowledging leaks. They're not going to make a special exception in this case. As always, we will wait until Lego decides to announce it. That's how it's always been, and that's how it will continue to be.

[Blastcage]

Okay, I'm getting very bored of all of this information coming to light, then subsequently being revealed to be leaked, and thus not allowed to be discussed. We need to pool our resources and bribe/beg/bully Lego into making an official announcement (although personally, I think the fact that they haven't denied the rumours is the same as confirming them). I needs knowledge! I can't wait for 2015, I must know now!!!

 

Yeah, it's getting annoying. Hard to have healthy discussion with that outdated policy weighing us down. Although I wish these leaks hadn't happened this early! Usually they're in like September/October, and there's not as much of a gap between them and an official announcement. Hopefully LEGO gives an official announcement soon...dunno what they're waiting on.

[believe victims]

 

Okay, I'm getting very bored of all of this information coming to light, then subsequently being revealed to be leaked, and thus not allowed to be discussed. We need to pool our resources and bribe/beg/bully Lego into making an official announcement (although personally, I think the fact that they haven't denied the rumours is the same as confirming them). I needs knowledge! I can't wait for 2015, I must know now!!!

 

Yeah, it's getting annoying. Hard to have healthy discussion with that outdated policy weighing us down. Although I wish these leaks hadn't happened this early! Usually they're in like September/October, and there's not as much of a gap between them and an official announcement. Hopefully LEGO gives an official announcement soon...dunno what they're waiting on.

 

 

The policy isn't outdated. inconvenient for those wishing to discuss illegal leaks? yes. But I assure you Lego cares as much about us posting leaked images now as they did when the policy was first implemented.

[Klack]

I wonder when they're going to put the actual sets on stores websites, like they did really early for past Bionicle sets.

 

I guess they actually have to announce the sets before they do that.

[Matoro Lives]

Do you think we could make an exception to the no leaks rule and actually discuss the Bionicle leaks since they are pretty much plastered over every other Lego fan site? I'm finding this new BZP extreme censorship a little disconcerting. We are losing members over this whole no leaks policy.

[believe victims]

Do you think we could make an exception to the no leaks rule and actually discuss the Bionicle leaks since they are pretty much plastered over every other Lego fan site? I'm finding this new BZP extreme censorship a little disconcerting. We are losing members over this whole no leaks policy.

 

If you want to risk all of the support Lego gives us over a few leaks? Sure, you could make a case for an exception. Leaks always spread and BZPower has always stood tight on ignoring them, because that's a necessary policy to keep Lego from hating us. Also, according to Black Six, activity on this site is actually at its highest in years, despite being unable to discuss leaks. I don't think it's as big of a deterrent as you think it is.

[Nato G]

We had discussion topic about the leaks policy a while back, and despite some very convincing arguments, both for and against updating/changing the policy, nothing changed. The admin are adamant about keeping it, and nothing is likely to change their minds. There's isn't much we can do about it, so we'll just have to learn to live with it. 

 

When I made my earlier comment, I wasn't trying to start another argument against the policy, so I apologise if that is what I've started. I was expressing my frustration at not having any sort of concrete information from Lego despite there being so much leaked info splashed across the four corners of the interwebs. 

[Matoro Lives]

 

Do you think we could make an exception to the no leaks rule and actually discuss the Bionicle leaks since they are pretty much plastered over every other Lego fan site? I'm finding this new BZP extreme censorship a little disconcerting. We are losing members over this whole no leaks policy.

 

 

If you want to risk all of the support Lego gives us over a few leaks? Sure, you could make a case for an exception. Leaks always spread and BZPower has always stood tight on ignoring them, because that's a necessary policy to keep Lego from hating us. Also, according to Black Six, activity on this site is actually at its highest in years, despite being unable to discuss leaks. I don't think it's as big of a deterrent as you think it is.

The activity has been up because fans have been coming here for news on the leaks, only to be disappointed. Sure, the activity is up, but people leave almost as soon a the come because of this stupid leak policy. BZP doesn't even represent the majority of the constraction community anymore, I'm surprised lego still supports this site. Websites like tumblr, 4chan, and eurobricks are where the majority of the fans hangout now. It's mostly just the Hero Factory fanboys, the BZP loyalists, and some bionicle fans that use BZP now. Our numbers are shrinking whether you want to believe it or not. If BZP keeps up this negative attitude we will just keep losing members.

[believe victims]

 

 

Do you think we could make an exception to the no leaks rule and actually discuss the Bionicle leaks since they are pretty much plastered over every other Lego fan site? I'm finding this new BZP extreme censorship a little disconcerting. We are losing members over this whole no leaks policy.

 

If you want to risk all of the support Lego gives us over a few leaks? Sure, you could make a case for an exception. Leaks always spread and BZPower has always stood tight on ignoring them, because that's a necessary policy to keep Lego from hating us. Also, according to Black Six, activity on this site is actually at its highest in years, despite being unable to discuss leaks. I don't think it's as big of a deterrent as you think it is.

The activity has been up because fans have been coming here for news on the leaks, only to be disappointed. Sure, the activity is up, but people leave almost as soon a the come because of this stupid leak policy. BZP doesn't even represent the majority of the constraction community anymore, I'm surprised lego still supports this site. Websites like tumblr, 4chan, and eurobricks are where the majority of the fans hangout now. It's mostly just the Hero Factory fanboys, the BZP loyalists, and some bionicle fans that use BZP now. Our numbers are shrinking whether you want to believe it or not. If BZP keeps up this negative attitude we will just keep losing members.

 

 

This sounds a lot like you're speaking from how things "feel" rather than having actual numbers to support it. Where's your evidence that people are immediately leaving? Evidence is everything in a court of law, and also here. What I have is testimony from Black Six that BZPower is experiencing the most activity it's had since Bionicle ended, and also the fact that if the staff allowed discussion of leaked images, Lego would likely revoke all support they give this site, which would hurt far more than waiting to find out this information legally.

 

I don't see why BZPower should ever aspire to be like 4chan or Eurobricks. They're both terrible communities.

[Jakura Nuva]

...Guys, this really isn't the place to debate the policies.

[Matoro Lives]

 

 

 

Do you think we could make an exception to the no leaks rule and actually discuss the Bionicle leaks since they are pretty much plastered over every other Lego fan site? I'm finding this new BZP extreme censorship a little disconcerting. We are losing members over this whole no leaks policy.

 

 

If you want to risk all of the support Lego gives us over a few leaks? Sure, you could make a case for an exception. Leaks always spread and BZPower has always stood tight on ignoring them, because that's a necessary policy to keep Lego from hating us. Also, according to Black Six, activity on this site is actually at its highest in years, despite being unable to discuss leaks. I don't think it's as big of a deterrent as you think it is.

The activity has been up because fans have been coming here for news on the leaks, only to be disappointed. Sure, the activity is up, but people leave almost as soon a the come because of this stupid leak policy. BZP doesn't even represent the majority of the constraction community anymore, I'm surprised lego still supports this site. Websites like tumblr, 4chan, and eurobricks are where the majority of the fans hangout now. It's mostly just the Hero Factory fanboys, the BZP loyalists, and some bionicle fans that use BZP now. Our numbers are shrinking whether you want to believe it or not. If BZP keeps up this negative attitude we will just keep losing members.

 

This sounds a lot like you're speaking from how things "feel" rather than having actual numbers to support it. Where's your evidence that people are immediately leaving? Evidence is everything in a court of law, and also here. What I have is testimony from Black Six that BZPower is experiencing the most activity it's had since Bionicle ended, and also the fact that if the staff allowed discussion of leaked images, Lego would likely revoke all support they give this site, which would hurt far more than waiting to find out this information legally.

 

I don't see why BZPower should ever aspire to be like 4chan or Eurobricks. They're both terrible communities.

"When evidence is unattainable let observation and deductive inference lead the way". I cannot give you evidence, but I do have testimonies from close to 50 members of these various sites. The majority of them warned me to stay away from BZP because it is such a hostile environment for Bionicle fans (like your last post just proved), and to just give up on BZP. A simple search for Bionicle on tumblr will lead to a Bionicle community easily 10 times larger than BZP. I don't know what your problem is with eurobricks, considering their community is much friendly than the one here, but they too have a much larger fanbase than BZP. True, 4chan is not the best of sites, but they too possess a Bionicle fanbase that rivals ours. Almost all of the 4chan members and many of the tumblr users hate BZP, dubbing us Hero***s and many other unpleasant names. Over the past few months all of these communities have had an increased flow of new members and almost all of them claimed to be from BZP and they all blamed it on either a hostile environment, or ridiculous leak censorship. I cannot present any numbers, because I have no control over any of these sites, but trust me I have observed these communities for a few years, and this is one of the biggest BZP exoduses I have seen since Bionicle ended. Frankly, although I cannot give exact numbers I can confidently estimate from observing these communities that BZP probably only represents (at the most) 10% of the constraction community (and that is a generous estimation, it's most likely less).

[believe victims]

So you want BZPower to abandon support from LEGO because people think they're being "censored" for not being allowed to discuss materials illegally leaked? That sounds like a terrible solution.

 

I have my reasons for disliking Eurobricks, not the least of which is the questionable behavior of many of its staff members.

 

I don't think my last post was hostile. It was blunt, sure, but the most hostile thing in it was calling other sites terrible communities. The rest of it was merely fact, and questions.

 

If BZPower is truly as terrible as you say for not allowing discussion of illegal leaks when other sites see no moral qualms with it, then why are you here? Honest question here. It certainly doesn't seem like you enjoy it here.