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I was wondering if someone could tell me what were the original storyline ideas for Bionicle after the Mask of Light arc, because I've heard that what was originally planned was radically different from what we got (Metru Nui). FOr example, it says on TVTropes (Not sure if its reliable) that originally Makuta was supposed to be ticked off about his defeat and try to destroy the whole world. Can someone please elaborate on this (if its true of course)?

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AFAIK most of the storyline was planned from the start. The only change/development that presently comes to mind is that the Metru Nui flashback was only meant to be one year; the Hordika/Visorak episode was a late addition.

 

I wouldn't rely on TVTropes for concrete information about every last thing, as they don't have anything like the rules that Wikipedia does to prevent misinformation appearing.

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You might be interested in reading up on the "Three-Finger Island".

 

The Faber Files also have a bunch of other bits of concept art, some of which is a little different from the final product.

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a. With regards to the OP's actual question: I've read that info, too, but only on TVTropes... I'm not sure where it originally came from. I suppose someone could ask Greg in the currently-running LMB topic.

 

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I've just remembered this topic, in which other possibilities for the story were discussed in some detail. Don't post in it as it's almost two years old.

 

Yes, the Toa Inika were planned to go to Karda Nui, IIRC. However, I think I also remember that the Toa Nuva were intended to start in a three-year trilogy immediately thereafter. Kinda glad that didn't happen, since it would have dragged on and on... the pacing of 2008, I think, was a lot better than a three-year slog to reawaken the Great Spirit would have been.

 

Keep in mind, OP, the linked topic doesn't actually include any official plans or information, so I don't think it's what you were looking for.

 

c. No discussion of the original story plans can be complete without BIONICLE #5. 2010 was going to feature the Valley of the Maze, and 2011 would have been set on Bota Magna. Obviously, that didn't happen, and I don't think I need to explain why. :P

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This isn't exactly an answer to your question, Mr_Simon, but something that I would like to know is: Was BIONICLE always headed for the Bara Magna saga? Mainly because it seems more like an offshoot of the main story to me, and if they had wanted it to be a good saga which rounded off the whole storyline, I think that they should have spent more time there. Just a thought.

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This isn't exactly an answer to your question, Mr_Simon, but something that I would like to know is: Was BIONICLE always headed for the Bara Magna saga? Mainly because it seems more like an offshoot of the main story to me, and if they had wanted it to be a good saga which rounded off the whole storyline, I think that they should have spent more time there. Just a thought.

While the particulars of Spherus Magna were almost certainly thought up along the way (2007, according to the topic Sir Kohran linked to,) Mata Nui was always intended to be a giant robot, and the second Bionicle comic issue suggests that the idea of him traveling to Aqua Magna (as it eventually became known) from space was part in parcel with the concept of his identity: "In the time before time when the world was new, the Great Spirit Mata Nui descended from the skies like a burning star."

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What's this "Bionicle" madness you all speak of? Boneheads of Voodoo Island is where it's at, man.

 

But yeah other than that, I'm not sure. I don't think I've heard much about that (other than the whole Ahkmou bit, of course).

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You might be interested in reading up on the "Three-Finger Island".

 

The Faber Files also have a bunch of other bits of concept art, some of which is a little different from the final product.

Yep yep, I think it was on Faber's blog that there was concept art of these giant scary elemental-themed monsters that the Mata would've had to face on Mata Nui back when everything was even more jungle-tribe themed and mystical, which I was always fascinated by.

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My memory's a little hazy on this- but if I recall correctly there was supposed to be a book in 2007, later scrapped, and was supposed to be Legends #7; though what I don't remember is if all the storyline from it made it into other media, or just some.

That would be Invasion, which was supposed to chronicle the Toa Inika's voyage through the cord. The Updated Bionicle Encyclopedia makes mention of details planned for the book (such as Teridax's possession of Matoro and Vezon's encounter with the Inika and subsequent capture by Zyglak) and "Federation of Fear" makes reference to Vezon's captivity.

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One of the unused concepts I know right off hand was that the reason Onua was going to be older than the rest of his team.

 

Yeah, he was supposed to be the oldest because he's so wise.

 

And Lewa was going to be the youngest because he's a moron. Seriously. That was one of the original ideas.

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One of the unused concepts I know right off hand was that the reason Onua was going to be older than the rest of his team.

 

Yeah, he was supposed to be the oldest because he's so wise.

 

And Lewa was going to be the youngest because he's a moron. Seriously. That was one of the original ideas.

 

Also, the Toa having the names of Flame, Hook, Claw, Kick, Axe, and Sword are wroth mentioning as a concept that was thankfully scrapped.

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One of the unused concepts I know right off hand was that the reason Onua was going to be older than the rest of his team.

 

Yeah, he was supposed to be the oldest because he's so wise.

 

And Lewa was going to be the youngest because he's a moron. Seriously. That was one of the original ideas.

 

It was Tahu that was identified as the oldest in some of the early literature.

 

As BIONICLE was still being developed and defined in its early years, there are a lot of unused concepts and ideas that got left behind. One that has already been mentioned were the elemental beasts based on the six elements that the Toa would have to face. Another big one is the original seventh tribe of Makuta-following villagers, with the Comet ball trader in MNOLG originally intended as one of them infiltrating the village.

 

The Shadow Toa are worth mentioning too. The ended up making their appearance in Tale of the Toa, but their original purpose and application is not precisely clear, and likely won't be unless the cancelled PC game comes to light.

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The only thing that I can say to respond to this is the fact that in MNOG there is the statement made by, I believe, several Matoran speaking of "ancient" carvers who made certain statues and such throughout Mata Nui. This is a laughable plot hole seeing as there was no original inhabitants before the Matoran, they being originated from Metru Nui. That could incite some sort of plan to do something else with the story, or that the makers of the game had not gotten in on what LEGO was going to do with Bionicle after the Mata Nui portion of the story. 

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The only thing that I can say to respond to this is the fact that in MNOG there is the statement made by, I believe, several Matoran speaking of "ancient" carvers who made certain statues and such throughout Mata Nui. This is a laughable plot hole seeing as there was no original inhabitants before the Matoran, they being originated from Metru Nui. That could incite some sort of plan to do something else with the story, or that the makers of the game had not gotten in on what LEGO was going to do with Bionicle after the Mata Nui portion of the story. 

Perhaps they were referring to the Toa Metru.  We know that they left carvings and warnings in between 2004 and 2005.

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The only thing that I can say to respond to this is the fact that in MNOG there is the statement made by, I believe, several Matoran speaking of "ancient" carvers who made certain statues and such throughout Mata Nui. This is a laughable plot hole seeing as there was no original inhabitants before the Matoran, they being originated from Metru Nui. That could incite some sort of plan to do something else with the story, or that the makers of the game had not gotten in on what LEGO was going to do with Bionicle after the Mata Nui portion of the story. 

 

It would help if you could specify the words of these statements and/or who they are spoken by. I know the game pretty well and I can't think of anything like them.

 

And the makers did know or at least have some idea about Bionicle stuff beyond the Mata Nui arc. Among the telescope imagery both the face of the giant robot and the Ignika design can be found, the first of which is also hinted at with the 'impenetrable rock layer' in Onu-Koro.

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The only thing that I can say to respond to this is the fact that in MNOG there is the statement made by, I believe, several Matoran speaking of "ancient" carvers who made certain statues and such throughout Mata Nui. This is a laughable plot hole seeing as there was no original inhabitants before the Matoran, they being originated from Metru Nui. That could incite some sort of plan to do something else with the story, or that the makers of the game had not gotten in on what LEGO was going to do with Bionicle after the Mata Nui portion of the story. 

 

It would help if you could specify the words of these statements and/or who they are spoken by. I know the game pretty well and I can't think of anything like them.

 

And the makers did know or at least have some idea about Bionicle stuff beyond the Mata Nui arc. Among the telescope imagery both the face of the giant robot and the Ignika design can be found, the first of which is also hinted at with the 'impenetrable rock layer' in Onu-Koro.

 

Don't quote me on this, I was literally just editing some files in MNOG, but I believe the tradesman at the edge of po-wahi says it when you ask him about the quarry.

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The only thing that I can say to respond to this is the fact that in MNOG there is the statement made by, I believe, several Matoran speaking of "ancient" carvers who made certain statues and such throughout Mata Nui. This is a laughable plot hole seeing as there was no original inhabitants before the Matoran, they being originated from Metru Nui. That could incite some sort of plan to do something else with the story, or that the makers of the game had not gotten in on what LEGO was going to do with Bionicle after the Mata Nui portion of the story. 

 

It would help if you could specify the words of these statements and/or who they are spoken by. I know the game pretty well and I can't think of anything like them.

 

And the makers did know or at least have some idea about Bionicle stuff beyond the Mata Nui arc. Among the telescope imagery both the face of the giant robot and the Ignika design can be found, the first of which is also hinted at with the 'impenetrable rock layer' in Onu-Koro.

 

Don't quote me on this, I was literally just editing some files in MNOG, but I believe the tradesman at the edge of po-wahi says it when you ask him about the quarry.

 

 

He does indeed mention "the Path of Prophecies, which the ancient carvers made." I'm fairly sure that's the head statues in front of Po-Koro's entrance. In the first Bohrok episode they're credited as Hafu's work.

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The only thing that I can say to respond to this is the fact that in MNOG there is the statement made by, I believe, several Matoran speaking of "ancient" carvers who made certain statues and such throughout Mata Nui. This is a laughable plot hole seeing as there was no original inhabitants before the Matoran, they being originated from Metru Nui. That could incite some sort of plan to do something else with the story, or that the makers of the game had not gotten in on what LEGO was going to do with Bionicle after the Mata Nui portion of the story. 

 

It would help if you could specify the words of these statements and/or who they are spoken by. I know the game pretty well and I can't think of anything like them.

 

And the makers did know or at least have some idea about Bionicle stuff beyond the Mata Nui arc. Among the telescope imagery both the face of the giant robot and the Ignika design can be found, the first of which is also hinted at with the 'impenetrable rock layer' in Onu-Koro.

 

Don't quote me on this, I was literally just editing some files in MNOG, but I believe the tradesman at the edge of po-wahi says it when you ask him about the quarry.

 

 

He does indeed mention "the Path of Prophecies, which the ancient carvers made." I'm fairly sure that's the head statues in front of Po-Koro's entrance. In the first Bohrok episode they're credited as Hafu's work.

 

BS01 confirms this.  

 

 

The Path of Prophecies was a road flanked by carvings, leading to the village of Po-Koro on the island of Mata Nui.

 

The Path of Prophecies was created by the Po-Matoran Carver Hafu soon after the Matoran established the village of Po-Koro. 

They were carved very early on, so they would be considered ancient.

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The only thing that I can say to respond to this is the fact that in MNOG there is the statement made by, I believe, several Matoran speaking of "ancient" carvers who made certain statues and such throughout Mata Nui. This is a laughable plot hole seeing as there was no original inhabitants before the Matoran, they being originated from Metru Nui. That could incite some sort of plan to do something else with the story, or that the makers of the game had not gotten in on what LEGO was going to do with Bionicle after the Mata Nui portion of the story. 

 

It would help if you could specify the words of these statements and/or who they are spoken by. I know the game pretty well and I can't think of anything like them.

 

And the makers did know or at least have some idea about Bionicle stuff beyond the Mata Nui arc. Among the telescope imagery both the face of the giant robot and the Ignika design can be found, the first of which is also hinted at with the 'impenetrable rock layer' in Onu-Koro.

 

Don't quote me on this, I was literally just editing some files in MNOG, but I believe the tradesman at the edge of po-wahi says it when you ask him about the quarry.

 

 

He does indeed mention "the Path of Prophecies, which the ancient carvers made." I'm fairly sure that's the head statues in front of Po-Koro's entrance. In the first Bohrok episode they're credited as Hafu's work.

 

BS01 confirms this.  

 

 

The Path of Prophecies was a road flanked by carvings, leading to the village of Po-Koro on the island of Mata Nui.

 

The Path of Prophecies was created by the Po-Matoran Carver Hafu soon after the Matoran established the village of Po-Koro. 

They were carved very early on, so they would be considered ancient.

 

 

Problem is, "ancient" is being applied to the carvers themselves, not just their work. And Hafu is no more ancient than any other Matoran on the island at that point.

 

I would also point out that "carvers" indicates more than one, though I suppose this could just mean assistants or apprentices of Hafu.

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"Ancient carvers" could apply to Hafu and helpers prior to the memory loss kicking in. It might be a way to say that they don't remember them being carved, so they think of their former selves as different people. Though I tend to think mere decorations were made later. :shrugs: Either way, the saying still works in a poetic sense. Hafu and any helpers are indeed ancient.

 

Oh, and please remember to avoid multi-nested quotes. :)

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"Ancient carvers" could apply to Hafu and helpers prior to the memory loss kicking in. It might be a way to say that they don't remember them being carved, so they think of their former selves as different people.

 

But Hafu clearly describes the statues as "my own creations" and is dismayed at having to topple them. Would that be the case if he didn't remember them being built and thought of them as someone else's work?

 

 

 

Either way, the saying still works in a poetic sense. Hafu and any helpers are indeed ancient.

 

Things are regarded as 'ancient' when they are much older than most things in the present. The pyramids are ancient because they're thousands of years older than most other existing structures. This isn't the case with Matoran, because they're all the same age (some may have come into existence before others back in Metru Nui, but that's way too far back to be relevant). Hafu is no more ancient than the trader making the reference.

 

I think this is simply an inconsistency.

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But ancient makes sense for people whose memories go back a thousand years. If they were carved soon after the memory loss, it could be shorthand for "carved near the beginning of the time we remember" -- thus relative to things in recent memory. If before, then shorthand for "before we remember" or "the before time".

 

And yeah, Hafu's got the right personality to be dismayed at it whether he remembers it or not. :) He knows he made it, and he takes pride in his work. Even if he doesn't remember the experience of carving it, I definitely think he'd react that way. Don't you? I mean... he's Hafu. :P "Oh well who cares" doesn't seem to be in his vocabulary. If anything, you'd think that would only increase the "such a shame" feeling he'd have about it.

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10 years ? wow, that's too much, even for Bionicle.

 

But on the subject of the topic, I remember there was going to be 3 more movies, and one of them had dinosaurs or something like that... We even got their scripts. I don't know where it is anymore, tho.

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