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This might be a stupid question, and has probably already been answered BUT, if can matoran die of old age if the first one ever created is still alive (Takua)?? On a side-note, I never really liked the idea of takua as the oldest matoran as he always seemed young, vibrant and adventurous :/ Is it that matoran are yet to die of old age?


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I'm not sure but maybe its just a really old age lol.


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Matoran can die of old age. In BIONICLE Legends 10, a group of Av-Matoran died of old age and turned into Bohrok. Takua just happens to live longer than the others.And even though Takua/Takanuva is the oldest Matoran alive, it really doesn't matter anyway. Not everyone in the story knows of that fact. Not even Takanuva himself knows that he's the first Matoran. So it really doesn't have much of an impact on his personality. Well, not yet that is.

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I don't think the Matoran will start to age for a while yet. Ackar is far older even than Takua, and he's only just started to age.


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Matoran can die of old age. In BIONICLE Legends 10, a group of Av-Matoran died of old age and turned into Bohrok. Takua just happens to live longer than the others.And even though Takua/Takanuva is the oldest Matoran alive, it really doesn't matter anyway. Not everyone in the story knows of that fact. Not even Takanuva himself knows that he's the first Matoran. So it really doesn't have much of an impact on his personality. Well, not yet that is.

Well, actually, the Av-toran from Legends 10 didn't die due to old age, they turned into Bohrok because it was their destiny to do so. I think they just transformed, but as Bohrok are simply mechanical, you could say that they died (just not of old age).

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I don't think any of them can die of old age. They seem to have partial immortality like that. The closest thing to dying of old age would be losing their masks and eventually dying because of that.


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Wait, Takua was the oldest Matoran?

greg confirmed it relatively recently, waaaay out of the mata nui-arc

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Well, we know the Glatorian (and presumably Agori) can die of natural causes, so I suppose it's a case of how accurate the Great Beings felt like making the Matoran and Toa. Of course, in Takua's case, getting turned into a Toa probably turned back his biological (biomechanical?) clock a bit.


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Wait, Takua was the oldest Matoran?

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It's possible, I believe, because Agori have the same lifespan as Matoran; Glatorian live as long as, if not longer than Agori live, and and Certavus died from natural causes, which I always figured was old age. That would also mean that a Matoran's lifespan is longer than 1,000 years, since Takua seemed to still be quite youthfully energetic as a Matoran in 2001-2003. In other words, I think it's possible, but no Matoran has lived long enough for it to happen yet.


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I believe it was confirmed that Matoran die of old age, but given how they are mostly mechanical, it takes a long time. As for why Takua seemed so youthful, you need to remember that he was the first Matoran, so he may have been made a little differently than the others.Also, it's been stated that "Matoran with the calling sometimes are a little.... eccentric." --Jerbraz, Brothers in Arms. Because of this, I suspect that Takua was just different because he was destined to be a Toa. t1ssig.png


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Yes,matoran do age, but their organs mechanical allow them to live extremely long times, and like GSR said Takua not dying of old age probably has do with the fact of destiny of becoming a Toa.

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Takua, like the other Matoran, were created by the Great Beings to keep Mata Nui running. They were probably designed to live, and work, for a very long time. Nevertheless, Matoran probably can die of old age, as machinery will wear down over time. As Takua doesn't seem to know how old he is, his youthful disposition could be from some part of his brain saying, "Hey, you must be pretty young!" and his body reacting as such. The transformation into a Toa probably extended his lifetime a fair bit. Also, taking Helryx as an example, some characters seem to age through strenuous living instead of years.


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I doubt a Matoran could die of old age - they are pretty much mechanical, so they can be constantly repaired.

As Takua doesn't seem to know how old he is, his youthful disposition could be from some part of his brain saying, "Hey, you must be pretty young!" and his body reacting as such.

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I will admit that I don't think that a matoran or any other biomechanical being could die of old age but I do feel that they could die of thier mechanical components eventually breaking down. I know many will say that they can just repair themselves, and my answer to that is you can only repair something so many times before thier is no hope of fixing it. Also I think that them being Biomechanical has little to do with how long they live because look at the Agori/Glatorian, Most of them are fully organic with barely any mechanical implants and yet they have lived over 100,000 since they were living on Spherus-Magna before the Great beings even started working on Mata-Nui. making them older than Takua or any being living the the MU or even Mata-Nui.


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I don't know about old age specifically, but I think it's probably safe to say that Matoran/Toa/Turaga will eventually die once they have fulfilled their destinies. The Avtoran=>Bohrok example was already brought up, but also think about Toa=>Turaga. What happens during that transformation? The Toa become smaller, weaker, less powerful versions of their former selves, similar to aging in humans, just all at once as opposed to gradually. And Turaga don't live forever, as Lhikan proved. Turaga are simply less likely to live through attacks and other similar harmful events than Toa or even Matoran would be, but, just like with humans, if a Turaga stays clear of any dangerous situations and generally lives well, they can live a lot longer than one who is constantly ending up in harm's way. So no, I don't think Matoran/Toa/Turaga die of old age specifically, but certainly once they become Turaga they are less likely to live through things. :mirunu: Lewa0111 Nuva :mirunu:


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I imagine that for Matoran and Toa, "old age" would be the point where their mechanical parts become too damaged to repair. That would be in a similar vein to humans -- when our bodies can't produce enough cells to replace dying ones, we die -- while also applying to robots / cyborgs.GregF has already confirmed Matoran and Toa live for a very, very long time, but even they aren't immortal.

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It's possible, I believe, because Agori have the same lifespan as Matoran; Glatorian live as long as, if not longer than Agori live, and and Certavus died from natural causes, which I always figured was old age. That would also mean that a Matoran's lifespan is longer than 1,000 years, since Takua seemed to still be quite youthfully energetic as a Matoran in 2001-2003. In other words, I think it's possible, but no Matoran has lived long enough for it to happen yet.

If a scorpion sting kills you, the scorpion came from nature, so that's a natural cause, too. So Certavus's death is probably from a disease or something.

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Obviously the Av-Matoran are the first types of Matoran, and it was hinted along the lines that Takua might have been the first one, which was later fleshed out into a full confirmation. Anyway, I'd hazard a guess as to the transformation into a Toa extending his lifespan. And maybe their ability to access elemental powers extended their lifespans anyway.

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It's possible, I believe, because Agori have the same lifespan as Matoran; Glatorian live as long as, if not longer than Agori live, and and Certavus died from natural causes, which I always figured was old age. That would also mean that a Matoran's lifespan is longer than 1,000 years, since Takua seemed to still be quite youthfully energetic as a Matoran in 2001-2003. In other words, I think it's possible, but no Matoran has lived long enough for it to happen yet.

If a scorpion sting kills you, the scorpion came from nature, so that's a natural cause, too. So Certavus's death is probably from a disease or something.
That may be, but usually natural causes refers to old age. If you died from a scorpion sting, your death would be classified as 'killed by a scorpion'. I thinks it is safe to assume Certavus died of old age.

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It's possible, I believe, because Agori have the same lifespan as Matoran; Glatorian live as long as, if not longer than Agori live, and and Certavus died from natural causes, which I always figured was old age. That would also mean that a Matoran's lifespan is longer than 1,000 years, since Takua seemed to still be quite youthfully energetic as a Matoran in 2001-2003. In other words, I think it's possible, but no Matoran has lived long enough for it to happen yet.

Did Greg confirm that Agori live as long as Matoran? I'd assume Matoran live longer, since they're mostly mechanical.Ackar is over 100,000 years old, and doesn't seem to be likely to die soon, so the Matoran life span is probably at least that.

 

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You guys are all forgeting something: The Voporak problem. Voporak is somehow able to age people really fast, and he can kill them by doing so. This indicates that protodermis decays after a long time. How long? The Shadowed one's words indicate that 3000 years is enough to warrant repairs. In addition, Helryx is described as "Extremely old and frail", indicating that people in the MU do age. As for Takua... I guess because he was the first matoran created, the Great Beings simply forgot to give him aging.

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It's possible, I believe, because Agori have the same lifespan as Matoran; Glatorian live as long as, if not longer than Agori live, and and Certavus died from natural causes, which I always figured was old age. That would also mean that a Matoran's lifespan is longer than 1,000 years, since Takua seemed to still be quite youthfully energetic as a Matoran in 2001-2003. In other words, I think it's possible, but no Matoran has lived long enough for it to happen yet.

Did Greg confirm that Agori live as long as Matoran? I'd assume Matoran live longer, since they're mostly mechanical.Ackar is over 100,000 years old, and doesn't seem to be likely to die soon, so the Matoran life span is probably at least that.
I actually think Agori live longer than matoran because if you look at the story line you'll see that the agori lived on Spherus-Magna and that the matoran did not exist until the Mata-Nui project started and the agori participated in the core war which occurred before and during mata-nui's construction. So in all reality the agori are older than the matoran or any Mata-Nui species.

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Wait, Takua was the oldest Matoran?

Yeah. Did not know that til now.

It's possible, I believe, because Agori have the same lifespan as Matoran; Glatorian live as long as, if not longer than Agori live, and and Certavus died from natural causes, which I always figured was old age. That would also mean that a Matoran's lifespan is longer than 1,000 years, since Takua seemed to still be quite youthfully energetic as a Matoran in 2001-2003. In other words, I think it's possible, but no Matoran has lived long enough for it to happen yet.

If a scorpion sting kills you, the scorpion came from nature, so that's a natural cause, too. So Certavus's death is probably from a disease or something.
That may be, but usually natural causes refers to old age. If you died from a scorpion sting, your death would be classified as 'killed by a scorpion'. I thinks it is safe to assume Certavus died of old age.
Good point. If you're old-age, it usually means that your organs are getting too worn out to perform their functions, meaning they would fail at some point (apparently, it takes a really long time for that to happen here). So maybe that's "old age" in terms of Bionicle. Gradual organ failure caused by passage of time.

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Matoran are confirmed to live longer than agori, i remember that from the OGD (and dorek telling me it had no place on the matoran page when i tried to put it on :P)


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Age in BIONICLE is a pretty hazy subject. Kyry, who is described as a young/inexperienced Agori, is seen working working around with Raanu during the Core War, some 100,000. ie, he's older than Gresh and they're both still considered young. And he's an Agori. Every MU inhabitant is younger than all the Spherus Magna people we know of. And since they're mechanical, I don't think they're going to die of old age any time soon.


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people dont die of old age, their old age inhibits them from excersising etc. and then they grow weak and fall and die. old age really isnt the killer


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yeah, if they break an arm, they just go to a nyrah ghost to fix the parts, and the tissue grows back

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I thought the only Matoran to die of age was Ihu... and the reason Takua isn't dead is probably because he was the first Matoran. He was like a prototype, different from all the others (like Jaller said). He was probably designed to be like an Agori, which stay young for 120,000 years then start aging a while after that. Like Ackar, who has just recently started to get old. And Berix is another example, as well as Gresh.


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I thought the only Matoran to die of age was Ihu...

Ihu died because of an attack by the Nui-Rama on the chute he was travelling in.

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Well, matoran are mostly mechanical creatures, but they aren't immortal. For instance, take a car. Even if you take great care of the car (rotating tires, changing oil, taking it to the shop for regular check-ups etc.) eventually it will start to get old and start working. I think that matoran are the same way, however, since the MU has lasted a relatively short time in Bionicle terms, we haven't really had the opportunity to see them age yet. I actually lampooned the tremendously long life span of matoran in "Choose Your Own Stupid Bionicle Adventure" by multiplying every age by 1,000. For instance, a character that's 14,000 is 14 in human terms, but even 1,000 to 1 is actually a bit small of a ratio, especially when you see 100,000 year olds walking around with spring still in their step.-don't touch my pocket protector


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I thought the only Matoran to die of age was Ihu...

Ihu died because of an attack by the Nui-Rama on the chute he was travelling in.
Thank you for the clarification. I don't remember reading that.

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Well, matoran are mostly mechanical creatures, but they aren't immortal. For instance, take a car. Even if you take great care of the car (rotating tires, changing oil, taking it to the shop for regular check-ups etc.) eventually it will start to get old and start working. I think that matoran are the same way, however, since the MU has lasted a relatively short time in Bionicle terms, we haven't really had the opportunity to see them age yet. I actually lampooned the tremendously long life span of matoran in "Choose Your Own Stupid Bionicle Adventure" by multiplying every age by 1,000. For instance, a character that's 14,000 is 14 in human terms, but even 1,000 to 1 is actually a bit small of a ratio, especially when you see 100,000 year olds walking around with spring still in their step.-don't touch my pocket protector

Yes. The Agori don't live as long for the same reason a car can outlast a human if properly taken care of. They have more organics that can fail.

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Most of the times, I would also think Matoran are almost immortal. Or they just live a REALLY long time (ex. 1,000 Matoran years = 1 human year ). Takua may just be the awesome exception!


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