Tuuli Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 I have a question, which has had me interested for awhile. I want to know why Makuta would turn into a matoran in the 2001 saga, and why he wanted to have the same mask as Tahu. Firstly, he was disguised as a nanobot, and we all know Makuta is a virus. So the virus acted like a nanobot inside of the mind of the spirit. But he had an infected Kanohi hau, and I wonder why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pomegranate Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 The Hau is a common symbol for the Great Spirit Mata Nui, so an infected Hau would be a good way to imply some correlation there and a direct reference to the sleeping Great Spirit and Makuta's role as his "brother". The Hau is also the most recognizable mask of Bionicle, just cause they used its image in so many promos and in so many different instances in the story. 2 Quote . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archon~ Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Well we knew VERY little about Makuta in 2001. Back then, we knew he was an evil brother of Mata Nui that put him to sleep, and according to him "couldn't be destroyed for he is nothing", and that enabled the story team to present Makuta as whatever at that point. He specifically picked the form of a Matoran to mess with the Mata's minds, by making them think he is what they are protecting, yet they're fighting with him and so on. In respect why he picked a Hau, well just look at what Mata Nui's symbol is. The Hau, the Mask of Protection, as Mata Nui is the protector of the MU and savior of Spherus Magna. He shapeshifted his Kanohi Krahkan (spelling?) into the shape of that mask to further mess with the Toa. You can find more info regarding this stuff on BS01 on the Teridax, Antidermis, and Saga Guidelines pages. Hope that helped. 4 Quote Archon *** "For one to truly feel alive, the person must kill oneself a little bit each and every day." Check out my MOC, one of the new generation of Toa on Spherus Magna! ***Toa Kyraan*** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lorax Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Archon has it exactly right. And as for Kanohi Krahkan (spelling?) It has 3 As. Kraahkan. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flynn58 Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Teridax disguised himself as a Matoran because it was part of his insanely convoluted plan to gain control of the Great Spirit Robot. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avmatoran Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Really, if I recall, it was mostly psychological warfare. He had the mask that was not only the symbol of Mata Nui, but also that Tahu wore. He also was bragging about being "indestructible", probably trying to induce hopelessness. And, he appeared as a Matoran to seem like one they were protecting, yet he was actually the one they were fighting. To put it simply, he was playing mind games. "It's all in your mind. . ." 3 Quote Γαρ επιστιμη! Для науки! For science! (Literally, it means "For knowledge", but it can be taken as "For science") Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonesiii Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 When I saw the title, I assumed this would be about Dume form. Anyways... I want to know why Makuta would turn into a matoran in the 2001 sagaIt was clearly a psychological manipulation/intimidation tactic against the Toa. Basically, he's too smart to just stand there and be boring until a defeat was faked. He had to make things interesting. (Partly for strategic reasons -- it distracted the Toa from what otherwise would be an obvious throwing of a fight... and partly also probably just his personality abhors being boring.) And it was for drama for the fans (real world reason), for the shock of it, plus the shock moments later of that "something like... THIS?" moment. =D 5 Quote The Destiny of Bionicle (chronological retelling of Bionicle original series, 9 PDFs of 10 chapters each on Google Drive): Part 1 - Warring with Fate | Part 2 - Year of Change | Part 3 - The Exploration Trap | Part 4 - Rise of the Warlords | Part 5 - A Busy Matoran | Part 6 - The Dark Time | Part 7 - Proving Grounds | Part 8 - A Rude Awakening | Part 9 - The Battle of Giants My Bionicle Fanfiction (Google Drive folder, eventually planned to have PDFs of all of it) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordofBionicles Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 That was decided by the people who developed MNOG, the Bionicle Reason/Excuse is that Makuta wanted to make the Toa hesitate by disguising as one of the villagers they sworn to protect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnderscoreChronix Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 (edited) The Hau isn't exclusive to Tahu. For example, Lhikan had one. It's likely that many other Toa did too. EDIT: Many Matoran had Haus too, like Jaller for example. Edited August 30, 2014 by Toa Chronix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takuta-Nui Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 The basic question has been answered here, but I want to go back to the original post's text. Ras just made the comparison that Makuta Teridax was like a virus inside Mata Nui's body that masqueraded as a nanobot worker - a red blood cell, if you will, trying to fool the Toa (white blood cells). I think this is actually a brilliant parallel now that we know the nature of the Great Spirit robot. We couldn't have known back then, but Teridax did have something to do with viruses - the Makuta used viruses to create new Rahi. I suppose it would be better to call Teridax a master controller virus, then? And then he did disguise himself as a nanobot worker in order to fool the Toa, just like some real viruses behave. It's an awesome way to interpret this famous 2001 scene in light of the most current understanding we have. Not sure if anyone noticed this already, but kudos to Ras for pointing that out. 3 Quote Part One of the Chrysalis SagaBy Takuta-Nui Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuuli Posted September 3, 2014 Author Share Posted September 3, 2014 Thank you Takutanui for your contribution Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopekemaster Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 Sort of going with the psychological warfare thing, I kind of imagined it somewhat that he was taunting the Toa, being in that form. Combining the "Oh, I bet you can't bring yourself to fight someone who even looks like a Matoran", and (if he won) "How strong are you, really, if someone who looks like a Matoran beat you."Just how I imagined it. 3 Quote My Writing Blog (more writing coming soon!) My Bionicle/LEGO Blog (defunct) Hyfudiar on Spotify (noise/drone/experimental music) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akavakaku Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 Wasn't the whole point of the battle just to make the Toa drop their guard and feel like they'd emerged victorious over the Makuta? If the business with the Mask of Light hadn't happened, I'm pretty sure Teridax would have stayed hidden and silent until the Takeover. 1 Quote ( The bunny slippers hiss and slither into the shadows. ) -Takuaka: Toa of TimeWhat if the Toa you know best were not destined to be? Interchange: The epic begins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuuli Posted September 9, 2014 Author Share Posted September 9, 2014 But perhaps these theories of psychological warfare are true, but at the same time, the white blood cells would not dare to harm a red blood cell. However, they saw through his trick and his viral infection and used their white blood cell elemental powers to 'defeat' him. But you can never get rid of a virus... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endless Sea (Alaki Nuva) Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 Well we knew VERY little about Makuta in 2001. Back then, we knew he was an evil brother of Mata Nui that put him to sleep, and according to him "couldn't be destroyed for he is nothing", and that enabled the story team to present Makuta as whatever at that point. He specifically picked the form of a Matoran to mess with the Mata's minds, by making them think he is what they are protecting, yet they're fighting with him and so on. In respect why he picked a Hau, well just look at what Mata Nui's symbol is. The Hau, the Mask of Protection, as Mata Nui is the protector of the MU and savior of Spherus Magna. He shapeshifted his Kanohi Krahkan (spelling?) into the shape of that mask to further mess with the Toa. You can find more info regarding this stuff on BS01 on the Teridax, Antidermis, and Saga Guidelines pages. Hope that helped. What he said. Basically, for the lulz. Because Terrymak's a jerk like that. Quote It is not for us to decide the fate of angels. Dominus Temporis, if you're out there, hit me up through one of my contacts. I've been hoping to get back in touch for a long time now. (Don't worry, I'm not gonna beg you to bring back MLWTB or something. ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewa0111 Nuva Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 I've seen a similar concept in a lot of stories about shapeshifting villains: a common strategy is to shapeshift into the form of a family member or friend of the heroes in order to make them hesitate when fighting. Even if you know it's just a shapeshifted villain, it is still harder to bring yourself to attack someone who looks like someone you care about. Since the Toa's primary duty was to protect the Matoran, the same applies here (and Makuta even states that himself more or less). Lewa0111 Nuva Quote My Script Comedies: | The Nuva Inn Remake | Ask Matau! Remake (ACCEPTING QUESTIONS!) | My Prose Comedies: | The BZ-Nui Hack Wars | Mata Nova | ANNOUNCEMENT: The Nuva Inn is BACK IN BUSINESS!! (See my blog for more info on my writing projects) ANNOUNCEMENT 2: Looking for voice actors and artists/animators for an upcoming video project! PM me if interested! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hip Historian Iaredios Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 A common event to occur in many mythologies and legends, as many others above have already explained. It deals with symbology, one of my favorite themes in literature. Scenes like this can be powerful when used correctly, and I think Bionicle did well. Quote A RUDE AWAKENING - A Spherus Magna redo | Tzais-Kuluu | Pushing Back The Tide | Last Words | Black Coronation | Blue Man Bound | Visions of Thasos ن We are all but grey specks in a dark complex before a single white light Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Inika Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 I found it interesting that his entire body appeared infected, instead of just the mask on a black body. Along with making it impossible to recreate with unaltered parts (curse you, LEGO!), it made the imagery more memorable and confusing, to us and the Toa. Could Makuta infect an entire Matoran? Was Makuta once a normal Matoran? It was a brilliant psychological attack. The Toa probably questioned their chances of victory, and so felt more sure when they "won." 1 Quote "You are an absolute in these uncertain times. Your past is forgotten, and your future is an empty book. You must find your own destiny, my brave adventurer." -- Turaga Nokama Click here to visit my library! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nidhiki of the Shadows Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 Symbolic reasons bro. I always found that power kind of weird though... you can turn into anything you want but you decide to turn into a rusty Matoran or a giant shadow dude? Subtle, Makuta. And what's to stop you from becoming larger even? -NotS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Inika Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 Symbolic reasons bro. I always found that power kind of weird though... you can turn into anything you want but you decide to turn into a rusty Matoran or a giant shadow dude? Subtle, Makuta. And what's to stop you from becoming larger even? -NotSI think Makuta can only shapeshift into something bigger if they're absorbing something else. Quote "You are an absolute in these uncertain times. Your past is forgotten, and your future is an empty book. You must find your own destiny, my brave adventurer." -- Turaga Nokama Click here to visit my library! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archon~ Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 Symbolic reasons bro. I always found that power kind of weird though... you can turn into anything you want but you decide to turn into a rusty Matoran or a giant shadow dude? Subtle, Makuta. And what's to stop you from becoming larger even? -NotSI think Makuta can only shapeshift into something bigger if they're absorbing something else.That is correct, however they can store their extra "mass" in a pocket dimension if they chose to adopt a smaller form.Here's the quote from BS01 on that:These are dimensions to which Makuta shift unused mass when they shapeshift. Each Makuta has their own personal dimension and cannot access the mass of others. Quote Archon *** "For one to truly feel alive, the person must kill oneself a little bit each and every day." Check out my MOC, one of the new generation of Toa on Spherus Magna! ***Toa Kyraan*** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonesiii Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 I always found that power kind of weird though... you can turn into anything you want but you decide to turn into a rusty Matoran or a giant shadow dude? Subtle, Makuta. And what's to stop you from becoming larger even?Well... 1) The psychology thing everybody mentioned earlier. 2) Think of it like buying a certain amount of soft clay. You can shunt away some of it (taking it out of the main chunk and setting it aside, rather than another dimension), or you can buy more clay, but otherwise the size stays the same; just because the clay can be reshaped doesn't imply it can get larger. Although, I often have shapeshifting characters in my fanfics cheat by making themselves hollow to seem bigger. 1 Quote The Destiny of Bionicle (chronological retelling of Bionicle original series, 9 PDFs of 10 chapters each on Google Drive): Part 1 - Warring with Fate | Part 2 - Year of Change | Part 3 - The Exploration Trap | Part 4 - Rise of the Warlords | Part 5 - A Busy Matoran | Part 6 - The Dark Time | Part 7 - Proving Grounds | Part 8 - A Rude Awakening | Part 9 - The Battle of Giants My Bionicle Fanfiction (Google Drive folder, eventually planned to have PDFs of all of it) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toa Kayn Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 The Hau isn't exclusive to Tahu. For example, Lhikan had one. It's likely that many other Toa did too. EDIT: Many Matoran had Haus too, like Jaller for example. Plot twist. Jaller's Hau was Lhikan's 3 Quote Kayn's Thought: My hiatus of Bionicle has ended Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banana Gunz Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 I always saw it as purely symbolic, and I think one thing we can all agree on is that Makuta likes being tricky and difficult to understand (which is why I liked him so much in 01). Quote tumblr: it's a lovely place to be if you've gone madflickr: mah yummy gross pics mmmPew Pew Pew Pew Pew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takhamavahu Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 He was just being dramatic. Quote Flash Fire Adaptive Armour Where They All Are Tobduk Nikila Iron Wolf Artakha Adaptive Armour 2 Helryx Lariska Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
25K Now! Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Makuta's always had a flair for the dramatic, and if he could inflict psychological damage against the Toa all while being symbolic, then that's a definite thing to do. Quote http://vimeo.com/198967785 BZPRPG Profiles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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