Lack of Turaga in Bionicle?

[Banana Gunz]

I was thinking about the Turaga when I realized Vakama and co. were the only turaga we ever got, set and story wise.

 

Do you think that there should have been more turaga in the sets and story? I can see how in the story there wasn't a particular "need" to get more turaga and it would just make an excuse to get more sets that probably wouldn't have been very exciting (though you never know). But I still feel odd that in all of Bionicle's time we only got 6 turaga. They aren't large or lead the story-line, but I feel like dropping them is what contributed to Bionicle feeling farther apart from it's first years.

 

What do you think?

[LaputanMachine]

You're forgetting Dume, who we got in a set and was central to the 2004 story (even though he was actually Teridax in disguise for most of it).

 

There were loads of other Turaga in the story too, but most of them weren't named and were mainly used to set up backstories for various characters.

[Toa Chuck]

You forgot Dume!

Ok, I know the set Dume wasn't technically the real Dume, but still.

I think the lack of a lot of Turaga actually helped the story, as it kept the turaga as Wise and Important charactors. If we got new turaga every year, it would get old really quickly. I think the main seven turaga, and the couple of non-set turaga (like lihkan, jovan, and implied leaders of the various matoran settlements) were enough.

[Chro]

You're forgetting Dume, 

You forgot Dume!

 

plus Jovan... sort of

[Aanchir]

I was a bit disappointed with how few Turaga there were and how small the existing Turaga's roles were in later BIONICLE story years, but I think it's understandable. It makes sense that kids would prefer Matoran to Turaga in many cases. Their earnest characterization and their role as "ordinary" citizens of the Matoran Universe naturally made them easier for many kids to relate to on a personal level than the mysteriousness and political authority that their Turaga chiefs exemplified.

 

Additionally, the Matoran's role as vigilant protectors of their homes made the characters more well-suited to action play scenarios than the Turaga, who mainly acted as counsel for the Toa and Matoran. Furthermore, if the release plan for a given year only includes enough sets to feature Matoran OR Turaga, then Matoran make more logical sense — there are more Matoran in the BIONICLE Universe than there are Turaga, so it would be strange to get new Turaga as sets more often than new Matoran.

Edited September 2, 2014 by Aanchir

[Vspinax]

I defenitly think there should have been more Turagas, but being released six each year would'nt make them speical tough. If they could have released one Turaga once in a while that would be great in my opinion! Like Turaga Dume, they could have included one turaga every 1-2 years as an addition to a titan set or something like that.

[LordofBionicles]

Technically we only had 3 years withouth Turaga since we met Turaga Dume, Turaga Lhikan and Turaga Jovan. I understand many people would like to see the Toa Nuva turn into Turaga but I disagree because what makes Vakama and the others so special is that they have always been our Turaga, so adding more into the story would take their focus away and that shouldn't happen, at least not yet.

[Liopleurodon]

Honestly, having more Turaga never really mattered to me. We had other characters like the Rahaga who weren't Turaga but basically fulfilled the same role.

[Toa Smoke Monster]

No, I don't think we needed more Turaga in the story. The years that didn't introduce new ones were fine without them IMO. Seven main Turaga, even with their reduces roles in the story in the later years, were enough for it. 

[Boidoh]

Isn't Turaga Lhikan unofficially a 2006 promo set?

[Aanchir]

Isn't Turaga Lhikan unofficially a 2006 promo set?

Well, yes, but the key word there is "unofficially". As far as I know that set was never intended to represent Turaga Lhikan; a lot of people just prefer to think of it as Turaga Lhikan.

[Toa of Gallifrey]

Yeah Turaga Lhikan was never confirmed (though I personally consider Gold Good Guy to be Turaga Lhikan) and Turaga Jovan wasn't a set. I kinda would've liked a Turaga in Mahri Nui. Would've been better than Thulox and Morak. I'm fine with them not being around in other years, though.

[Kopekemaster]

Wait, Turaga Lhikan wasn't confirmed? Then who was that Turaga-sized Lhikan dude in LoMN?

Ah hah! Another of Makuta's ploys! I see it all now...

 

Besides, though, he created the Toa stones, and all that, so wouldn't that basically automatically make him a Turaga? Even if it didn't, I'm pretty sure it was confirmed in LoMN. If we're taking the movies as canon, that is.

 

Oh, maybe you're talking about the set. I see.

 

Anyway, yeah, I would love more Turaga in Bionicle. They're pretty awesome.

Edited September 3, 2014 by Kopekemaster

[Toa of Gallifrey]

Wait, Turaga Lhikan wasn't confirmed? Then who was that Turaga-sized Lhikan dude in LoMN?

Ah hah! Another of Makuta's ploys! I see it all now...

 

Besides, though, he created the Toa stones, and all that, so wouldn't that basically automatically make him a Turaga? Even if it didn't, I'm pretty sure it was confirmed in LoMN. If we're taking the movies as canon, that is.

 

Oh, maybe you're talking about the set. I see.

 

Anyway, yeah, I would love more Turaga in Bionicle. They're pretty awesome.

Sorry for the confusion, I did mean the set. XD

[Sir Kohran]

 

Isn't Turaga Lhikan unofficially a 2006 promo set?

Well, yes, but the key word there is "unofficially". As far as I know that set was never intended to represent Turaga Lhikan; a lot of people just prefer to think of it as Turaga Lhikan.

 

 

Who or what else do you think it was intended to represent? Given that it uses Lhikan's mask and colour scheme.

[Banana Gunz]

 

 

Isn't Turaga Lhikan unofficially a 2006 promo set?

Well, yes, but the key word there is "unofficially". As far as I know that set was never intended to represent Turaga Lhikan; a lot of people just prefer to think of it as Turaga Lhikan.

 

 

Who or what else do you think it was intended to represent? Given that it uses Lhikan's mask and colour scheme.

 

 

The designers of the set could've had turaga Lhikan in mind when making it, but it was never called that or made official. All they were supposed to do was make a nameless polybag set, but could've made it an un-official turaga Lhikan set for fun.

[Aanchir]

 

 

Isn't Turaga Lhikan unofficially a 2006 promo set?

Well, yes, but the key word there is "unofficially". As far as I know that set was never intended to represent Turaga Lhikan; a lot of people just prefer to think of it as Turaga Lhikan.

 

Who or what else do you think it was intended to represent? Given that it uses Lhikan's mask and colour scheme.

 

As with the other "good guy"/"bad guy"/"function" promotional polybags, probably nobody in particular. And keep in mind that polybags like this aren't important enough to justify any new recolors, so the designers might have used Lhikan's mask just because they had it in stock and hadn't used it for other sets any time recently (whereas all other masks with an axle connection had been used in sets very recently for either the Toa Hagah in late 2005 or the Voya Nui Matoran in early 2006).

[Sir Kohran]

 

 

As with the other "good guy"/"bad guy"/"function" promotional polybags, probably nobody in particular.

 

All the other 2006 polybags are just random parts (with no attempt at colour co-ordination) chucked together to make strange humanoids. Two have Rhotuka spinners for heads.  I do think the dark red/gold one stands out, in that it's the only one to have a clear resemblance to a proper set, even with the same mask, and there's also some resemblance to the Turaga Dume figure. Surely that's not all coincidence.

 

 

 

the Voya Nui Matoran in early 2006). 

 

Rather lazy to have a new island's worth of Matoran using the exact same masks as the characters from just two years before.

[Aanchir]

All the other 2006 polybags are just random parts (with no attempt at colour co-ordination) chucked together to make strange humanoids. Two have Rhotuka spinners for heads.  I do think the dark red/gold one stands out, in that it's the only one to have a clear resemblance to a proper set, even with the same mask, and there's also some resemblance to the Turaga Dume figure. Surely that's not all coincidence.

What resemblance is there to the Turaga Dume figure? Because I see none, besides the legs and arms being roughly the same size as ALL small figures between 2004 and 2006. The build is almost entirely copied from Kazi, except with fewer pieces, different legs and feet, an awkwardly long neck, and no right hand.

 

And none of the polybag figures have "rhotuka launchers for heads" — even though their Rhotuka launchers are higher up than their heads, I think it's pretty clear that the Rahkshi heads are supposed to be their heads, and the characters in question have non-humanoid builds similar to Torch/Fire Slizer. Also, none of them have "no attempt at color coordination" — most have just three or four main colors, barely any different from the supposed "Turaga Lhikan". Generally, where parts' colors DON'T match, it's because the part was not available in a matching color at the time.

 

In any case, we've been told explicitly that the "Good Guy" in that set is not supposed to be Turaga Lhikan (or Dezalk, for that matter). As for whether his similar color scheme and mask to Toa Lhikan are coincidence or not, there's no way to tell. It's possible that the designer might have at one point considered releasing it as Turaga Lhikan and then decided against it when it was realized that Turaga Lhikan had no relevance to the current BIONICLE storyline, as was the case with the "Toa Dume" and "Toa Nidhiki" concepts that eventually became the Toa Hagah (only this time, no new story role was established in place of the discarded one). But in any case, I don't see how intent that was so fleeting really matters. The fact remains that in the end, there were no Turaga sets after 2004.

 

Rather lazy to have a new island's worth of Matoran using the exact same masks as the characters from just two years before.

I don't see what your point here is. It's not lazy to reuse parts. In fact, it's often wasteful NOT to. But reusing masks that were last used two full years ago is an entirely different matter than reusing masks that were last used less than half a year ago, especially when there are other options at your disposal. Edited September 3, 2014 by Aanchir

[Sir Kohran]

 

 

What resemblance is there to the Turaga Dume figure? Because I see none, besides the legs and arms being roughly the same size as ALL small figures between 2004 and 2006. The build is almost entirely copied from Kazi, except with fewer pieces, different legs and feet, an awkwardly long neck, and no right hand.

 

Maybe I'm seeing what I want to see there. The lack of one hand is peculiar.

 

 

 

And none of the polybag figures have "rhotuka launchers for heads" — even though their Rhotuka launchers are higher up than their heads, I think it's pretty clear that the Rahkshi heads are supposed to be their heads

 

Right, I can make out the Rahkshi heads when looking closely, I didn't notice them before (small images). But a head sticking out of the chest whilst there's a spinner where the head would usually be is still pretty weird.

 

 

 

Also, none of them have "no attempt at color coordination"

 

One that can't decide if it's black or orange? Another that's nearly all black but has a white mask? And one that's mostly black but then has its back part in light grey? Please...

 

 

 

In any case, we've been told explicitly that the "Good Guy" in that set is not supposed to be Turaga Lhikan

 

Have we? You sound sure about this.

 

 

 

It's possible that the designer might have at one point considered releasing it as Turaga Lhikan and then decided against it when it was realized that Turaga Lhikan had no relevance to the current BIONICLE storyline, as was the case with the "Toa Dume" and "Toa Nidhiki" concepts that eventually became the Toa Hagah (only this time, no new story role was established in place of the discarded one).

 

It makes no sense to design a set that looks pretty close to how a Turaga Lhikan would likely look, but then decide not to call it that and leave it with no identity just because that character wasn't in the story at the time. What difference does that make? 

 

 

 

I don't see what your point here is. It's not lazy to reuse parts.

 

It's lazy and disappointing from a creative point of view. The 2001 Matoran and Metru Nui Matoran each had masks in colours exclusive to them. When we get completely new Matoran characters, I expect more than a bunch of masks we've already seen and own.

[Aanchir]

One that can't decide if it's black or orange? Another that's nearly all black but has a white mask? And one that's mostly black but then has its back part in light grey? Please...

The first two of those models just use three main colors, not counting the Rhotuka. If that's what you mean by "no attempt at color coordination", then "Turaga Lhikan" has the exact same problem. Did you notice that his mask doesn't match any other part of his body either? And that his color scheme includes three main colors?

 

I don't know what the third set you're referring to is. If you mean this set, then your argument has SLIGHTLY more credibility than with the others, because that set has four main colors (Black, Silver, Earth Green, and Dark Stone Grey), not three. But of course, the only way to eliminate any of those colors from the color scheme would have been to remove Earth Green (the only non-neutral color) from the color scheme entirely — and the fact that you evidently didn't notice it at all seems to indicate that its presence wasn't what bothered you.

 

 

 

In any case, we've been told explicitly that the "Good Guy" in that set is not supposed to be Turaga Lhikan

 

Have we? You sound sure about this.

 

Yes, Greg confirmed it years ago (and also confirmed that the figure is not Dezalk, either, because that was most people's second guess).

 

I believe he also mentioned at one point that the "good guy" and "bad guy" characters were all supposed to be fictional characters used by Matoran storytellers (in other words, characters who the Matoran told stories about but who didn't actually exist in the Matoran Universe).

 

 

It makes no sense to design a set that looks pretty close to how a Turaga Lhikan would likely look, but then decide not to call it that and leave it with no identity just because that character wasn't in the story at the time. What difference does that make?

Don't ask me, but if it was an issue for the sets that became the Toa Hagah, then it makes sense that it might have been an issue for Turaga Lhikan. It's not like this was the ONLY set of this kind who lacked a clear and specific in-story identity. In fact, if he had been called Turaga Lhikan officially, then he'd be the only set of that kind that DIDN'T lack one.

 

It's lazy and disappointing from a creative point of view. The 2001 Matoran and Metru Nui Matoran each had masks in colours exclusive to them. When we get completely new Matoran characters, I expect more than a bunch of masks we've already seen and own.

Recolors have nothing to do with creativity or effort and everything to do with the budget that's available. It doesn't take creativity to say "let's turn this mask yellow", it takes money. And besides, being a designer means working with limitations. The stricter the limitations on a particular project, the greater creativity and effort the project demands. The limitations for sets are also often a lot stricter than the limitations for MOCs — after all, it's not enough for the part to have once appeared in sets, it has to still be available to be packed into sets.

 

If you were disappointed not to get new or recolored masks with the 2006 Matoran, that's fine! That's a perfectly valid thing to be disappointed about. But being disappointed doesn't mean the designers weren't being creative or putting in effort, it just means they were doing the best they could with the parts and budget they had. And I'd argue that the 2006 Matoran were perhaps some of the MOST creative small sets that the BIONICLE theme ever had, since their builds (ya know, the part of a set that is determined by actual effort and creativity, and not just on the amount of money at your disposal) were diverse while still having a sense of visual unity. No other Matoran sets ever offered nearly as much variety.

 

In any case, I don't even see why you brought it up. I mentioned the 2006 Matoran in passing, but the context had nothing to do with their creativity. I was just mentioning why the designers might have wanted to use a mask other than the six from the Toa Metru.

Edited September 4, 2014 by Aanchir

[Sir Kohran]

The first two of those models just use three main colors, not counting the Rhotuka. If that's what you mean by "no attempt at color coordination",

 

I'm not talking about the number of colours, I'm talking about the fact that the chosen colours clash - bright orange and black, and white and black.

 

Did you notice that his mask doesn't match any other part of his body either?

 

Dark gold and dark red don't clash like the previously mentioned colours do, and is a colour combination that goes right back to Jala (yellow and red). Pretty simple.

 

There's also a specific reason for this. Unlike the others, this set's clearly been developed from another - the Toa Lhikan figure, who does have several body parts in the same colour as his mask. It's simply that those parts didn't make it into the smaller figure because the body's too reduced in scale for them. The mask, however, remains because there's obviously no replacement for it in the Toa figure, or at a smaller scale because masks are all pretty much the same size.

 

I don't know what the third set you're referring to is. If you mean this set,

 

I do.

 

your argument has SLIGHTLY more credibility than with the others, because that set has four main colors (Black, Silver, Earth Green, and Dark Stone Grey), not three.

 

In this case, there are indeed too many colours for such a small set. 

 

the fact that you evidently didn't notice it at all seems to indicate that its presence wasn't what bothered you.

 

I did notice the dark green (hence "mostly black"), although it's only for three parts. What bothers me mainly is the large pearl grey piece in a set that otherwise uses dark colours.

 

Yes, Greg confirmed it years ago

 

Well, if that's so, I guess the matter isn't up for debate. You didn't mention any confirmation from Greg in your second post when the issue of the 'Turaga Lhikan set' was first brought up. 

 

I believe he also mentioned at one point that the "good guy" and "bad guy" characters were all supposed to be fictional characters used by Matoran storytellers

 

Those storytellers must have very active imaginations to come up with those characters.

 

Don't ask me, but if it was an issue for the sets that became the Toa Hagah, then it makes sense that it might have been an issue for Turaga Lhikan.

 

The difference there being that the Hagah were sets with a fully-fledged release, so it was important they had some connection to the then-current story. On the other hand, I don't think such importance applies to a promotional polybag.

 

It's not like this was the ONLY set of this kind who lacked a clear and specific in-story identity.

 

Are there any other sets that bear a strong resemblance to an established character but aren't identified as them?

 

Recolors have nothing to do with creativity or effort and everything to do with the budget that's available. It doesn't take creativity to say "let's turn this mask yellow", it takes money.

 

It's surely not beyond Lego's budget to release six pieces in new colours.

 

And I'd argue that the 2006 Matoran were perhaps some of the MOST creative small sets that the BIONICLE theme ever had, since their builds (ya know, the part of a set that is determined by actual effort and creativity, and not just on the amount of money at your disposal) were diverse while still having a sense of visual unity. No other Matoran sets ever offered nearly as much variety.

 

You may be right about the builds, but the fact that the most prominent aspect (the masks) were completely unoriginal overshadows that a bit.

 

In any case, I don't even see why you brought it up. I mentioned the 2006 Matoran in passing, but the context had nothing to do with their creativity.

 

You first mentioned that "the designers might have used Lhikan's mask just because they had it in stock" and then mentioned "the Voya Nui Matoran in early 2006". I thought I'd comment on them reusing old stuff rather than offering something new.

Edited September 4, 2014 by Sir Kohran

[UnderscoreChronix]

You're forgetting Dume, who we got in a set and was central to the 2004 story (even though he was actually Teridax in disguise for most of it).

 

There were loads of other Turaga in the story too, but most of them weren't named and were mainly used to set up backstories for various characters.

Dume's set form was just a tall Matoran.

[Aanchir]

I'm not talking about the number of colours, I'm talking about the fact that the chosen colours clash - bright orange and black, and white and black.

Oh, I didn't realize that flame yellowish orange and black clashed. Or white and black. I guess those sets also had "no attempt at color coordination"?

 

Dark gold and dark red don't clash like the previously mentioned colours do, and is a colour combination that goes right back to Jala (yellow and red). Pretty simple.

As I see it, there's no reason that Sand Yellow Metallic and Dark Red go together better than either of those other color combinations. You've decided that you like that color combination better than the others, and that's fine. But it's a perfectly arbitrary decision — there is nothing about those two colors in particular that makes them a better match than either of those other color combinations.

 

Vaguely resembling a classic color scheme isn't in and of itself a justification. Black and Flame Yellowish Orange is about as similar to Hafu's original Black and Brick Yellow (Tan) color scheme as Lhikan's color scheme is to Jaller's.

 

I did notice the dark green (hence "mostly black"), although it's only for three parts. What bothers me mainly is the large pearl grey piece in a set that otherwise uses dark colours.

And what's wrong with using dark and light colors together? It creates contrast, which is usually a good thing for a set's color scheme.

 

Well, if that's so, I guess the matter isn't up for debate. You didn't mention any confirmation from Greg in your second post when the issue of the 'Turaga Lhikan set' was first brought up.

I apologize for that. I should have clarified.

 

Those storytellers must have very active imaginations to come up with those characters.

I think you can think of them like puppets or cartoon characters — simplified and stylized compared to the Matoran Universe's actual inhabitants. And the Matoran Universe is a pretty weird place already!

  

Are there any other sets that bear a strong resemblance to an established character but aren't identified as them?

Admittedly, not a lot.

 

It's surely not beyond Lego's budget to release six pieces in new colours.

"LEGO's budget" isn't just one vast supply that designers can tap into whenever they feel like it. Generally, the designers are given a particular budget for any given wave of sets, which is based on things like the price point for those sets and the expected sales for the theme. It's entirely possible that the designers' budget for new parts and recolors in 2006 might have been exhausted on the canister and titan sets, which featured a lot of them. So there wouldn't have been money for six new recolors for the small sets.

 

It's also entirely possible that the designers simply had a large supply of already produced masks that they needed to use up so they wouldn't go to waste, and small sets like Matoran that would not be confused with the previous wearers of those masks would offer a golden opportunity. Either way, it's all about efficiency and reducing waste.

 

You may be right about the builds, but the fact that the most prominent aspect (the masks) were completely unoriginal overshadows that a bit.

I think that's pretty subjective. I was never really bothered by their masks at all, and this is honestly the first time I've ever really heard complaints about them reusing existing masks.

[UnderscoreChronix]

Oh yeah, I forgot to add - There's also Lhikan, Jovan, etc.

[Banana Gunz]

Oh yeah, I forgot to add - There's also Lhikan, Jovan, etc.

 

Well still, Lhikan is the only real interesting one. If new turaga were to ever be a thing, I'd want them to be new interesting turaga. Jovan isn't even a name most people are familiar with unless you're a real intimate fan. Dume is important but we never really got to know Dume as himself. 

[Korero]

I think there should have been Turaga sets for Voya Nui, since we only got 6 matoran, 6 Piraka, and 6 Toa, whereas in 2001, We got 6 Turaga, 6/12 Matoran/Tohunga, 6 Toa, and a bunch of Rahi! But I do understand that there were only 6 matoran left on Voya Nui.

[Lyichir]

I think there should have been Turaga sets for Voya Nui, since we only got 6 matoran, 6 Piraka, and 6 Toa, whereas in 2001, We got 6 Turaga, 6/12 Matoran/Tohunga, 6 Toa, and a bunch of Rahi! But I do understand that there were only 6 matoran left on Voya Nui.

Um... there were a lot of Matoran on Voya Nui, just most of them were mind-controlled. And in 2001 we only got seven Matoran, and that's if you count Hafu from the Power Pack. I think the Voya Nui arc was rather bloated with characters anyway—what would a Turaga have contributed to the story, apart from one more character to be mind-controlled or otherwise removed from the picture?

[Sir Kohran]

 

 

Oh, I didn't realize that flame yellowish orange and black clashed.

 

At least in those two sets, black is clearly the dominant colour by having the larger and more prominent body parts.

 

 

 

Or white and black.

 

Krika just looks weird with that colour scheme, but Pridak (as above) at least has white as the dominant colour.

 

As I see it, there's no reason that Sand Yellow Metallic and Dark Red go together better than either of those other color combinations. You've decided that you like that color combination better than the others, and that's fine. But it's a perfectly arbitrary decision — there is nothing about those two colors in particular that makes them a better match than either of those other color combinations.

 

It's not a matter of arbitrary taste. Look at the rainbow or almost any organised colour chart and you'll see yellow and red very near to each other, usually with only orange in between. Red and yellow are close colours and it makes sense to combine them in a set. Orange and black on the other hand have nothing in common at all.

 

Black and Flame Yellowish Orange is about as similar to Hafu's original Black and Brick Yellow (Tan) color scheme as Lhikan's color scheme is to Jaller's.

 

Lhikan's colour scheme is a darkened version of Jala's - bright red to dark red, yellow to metallic gold. Orange and tan on the other hand are distinctly separate colours, and darkening or brightening one won't result in the other.

 

And what's wrong with using dark and light colors together? It creates contrast, which is usually a good thing for a set's color scheme.

 

Contrast works when a specific piece/feature is being highlighted - for instance, the blue eyes on the red Tahnok. It doesn't work when applied to the entire body. Look at the secondary colours on the Toa Mata/Nuva - light grey for Kopaka's white body and dark grey for Onua's black body. The primary and secondary colours were chosen to be close, to avoid the sort of garish contrast I've pointed out in some of the sets discussed.

 

I think that's pretty subjective. I was never really bothered by their masks at all, and this is honestly the first time I've ever really heard complaints about them reusing existing masks. 

 

Well, I think it's safe to say Matoran had largely ceased to play any central story role by 2006, so their sets didn't receive very much attention. If the Inika had been given those masks I think you might've heard a complaint or two.

Edited September 10, 2014 by Sir Kohran

[Aanchir]

Krika just looks weird with that colour scheme, but Pridak (as above) at least has white as the dominant colour.

Your opinion. I know a lot of people who love Krika's color scheme, myself included. And why does it make a difference whether white or black is the dominant color? As the lightest and darkest neutral colors you'd think they'd be interchangeable. Or at least, I would hope you would.

 

It's not a matter of arbitrary taste. Look at the rainbow or almost any organised colour chart and you'll see yellow and red very near to each other, usually with only orange in between. Red and yellow are close colours and it makes sense to combine them in a set. Orange and black on the other hand have nothing in common at all.

On the contrary, as a neutral color, black goes with everything. It is the darkest shade of every color that ever existed.

 

Besides that, if orange, black, and grey is such a nonsensical color scheme, then how come Nuparu AND the Boxor AND the Exo-Toa, all widely-loved characters and sets, used them together? Did those sets have "no attempt at color coordination"? What about every single bad guy vehicle and most of the bad guy costumes in the original LEGO Agents theme? Even my own high school had orange and black as their school colors. Frankly, saying a set that uses orange and black in pretty much equal measure "clashes" is laughable. And yet, even with the daftness of your own claim spelled out for you in no uncertain terms, you continue to insist on it.

 

In fact, orange and black makes every bit as much sense as other color schemes like purple and black, red and black, green and black, blue and black, or yellow and black. Many such color schemes were used in the Slizer/Throwbots theme.

 

It's not that I think you should LIKE these color schemes necessarily, but insisting that two color schemes used widely by companies and individuals all over the world make no sense or have no effort put into them just because you don't like them takes a special kind of ignorance.

 

And by the way, even though it is a tone (desaturated version) of yellow, Lhikan's mask is really more brown than yellow. But I guess red and brown are close together too, and every art student in the world is taught that the only sensible color schemes use colors that are close together (NOT).

Edited September 10, 2014 by Aanchir

[Zidonaro]

Definitely wanted to see more turaga. That would had mean more NOBLE KANOHI !!!

 

Voya and Mahri Nui should have had Turaga. A Turaga Jovan with a noble Kadin would be the best thing. But they decided to kill the guy, unfortunelly.

[dotcom]

Yes, definitely too few Turaga. I can understand why they weren't included, and considering how lame the last Turaga we got was, it might have been for the best, but....could have made for some interesting characters, anyway.

[Ford]

It really did not matter to me whether or not there were many Turaga present in the storyline because they gave pretty good reasons for their absence. For example, Jovan was killed during the Great Cataclysm.