Takanuva's Revival

[FrozenFlash]

There's one thing that always bothered me. Around the end of the Mask of Light story arc, after Takutanuva was crushed underneath the giant door, how was Takanuva revived? Is there even a clear explanation or was it just something that came up at the last minute?

[Toa Smoke Monster]

In the Mask of Light novel, Takanuva emerged from the rubble from the giant door after it crushed Takutanuva. In the movie, I believe he was revived when the Turaga took his mask and placed it in the next chamber, with Jaller and Hahli taking spots next to it. Then he was brought back. (I haven't seen MoL in forever, so I may be remembering that scene incorrectly.)

 

BS01 lists the movie verison as the way that he was revived. I think that the novel's version is better though, but that is just my opinion. 

Edited September 6, 2014 by Toa Smoke Monster

[LordofBionicles]

Most likely because the movie makers wanted to show that heroes never die, and if we really want to they'll come back someway, a perfect Bionicle Reason/Excuse example.

[Timageness]

I believe that it is stated somewhere under the "Kanohi" page on BS01 that the masks retain an imprint of the previous wearer for a limited period of time, and they could be brought back with a great amount of life energy being transferred into it (as in how Takutanuva brought back Jaller). Maybe the symbol on the floor did something similar, taking the energy from Jaller and Hahli to revive Takanuva? He could have known that reviving Jaller would have left him unable to hold up the door, so he could have transferred enough extra energy to bring himself back too.

[Endless Sea (Alaki Nuva)]

I prefer to pretend that scene didn't actually happen in the movie, and Takutanuva just defused and Takanuva ended up getting thrown clear in the process.

[Banana Gunz]

I feel like timageness411 said it best. The only wonder is why that room had that technology. Well, you know what they say; When something in Bionicle doesn't make sense, blame it on the Great Beings!

[bonesiii]

Lemme clarify something brought up in the first reply first -- the movie version in which Takanuva does die is confirmed canon (so the book's version, where he doesn't die, is non-canon).

 

Anyways, there's obviously some kind of reviving machine there under the symbols. My theory on Jaller's revival has actually been that since Makuta spent so much time at the Mangaia, which was right next to this reviving machine, he studied that machine and that might be how he knew (or the fusion knew) how to revive Jaller. And maybe Vakama had a vision or something telling him to put Takanuva's mask on that machine.

 

As for why it's there, I theorize something about it in my retelling. Short answer, some kind of backup for the Red Star that somehow most people were never informed of. Or something. (Assuming it has a limited charge that is now depleted... Who knows. We never were told a lot about it.)

[Element Lord of Milk]

Maybe the GBs were planning to recreate the Red star inside the MN Robot and they weren't able to finish it before the Shattering? The robot was a pretty last-minute thing.

[Pomegranate]

Well Takutanuva's last action before being crushed was reviving Jaller through his mask, and Hahli rode in the Ussanai with Jaller's mask, so perhaps placing all three of them next to eachother led to some kind of proximity-triggered causality feedback loop that used the energy left over in the Avohkii to repeat the revival process on itself? It's what the explanation would be if MoL was an episode of Star Trek

[Timageness]

Or Teridax was trying to create a device that could bring back dead Makuta (as beings composed of Antidermis wouldn't get picked up by the Red Star even if the teleporter was working) and the symbol was there because he was tapping into the power supply from the Mata Nui Robot to do so. If the main villian of the series is clever enough to essentially become the Matoran Universe, it wouldn't be entirely out of the question for him to create a fail safe in the event that he perished before seeing his plan through, and Vakama saw it fitting for Jaller and Hahli to stand there while reviving Takanuva because of the whole Three Virtues thing.

[Endless Sea (Alaki Nuva)]

Meh.  Even if Vakama knew it was there, you'd think it'd be used more often, being, y'know, a freaking revival machine.

[IXRollOutIX]

I always figured that it was one of the Avohkii's gimmicks. Like a fail-safe of some sort that is able to turn the chosen wearer into a beam of light, then absorbs them to keep them safe. 

[bonesiii]

Or Teridax was trying to create a device that could bring back dead Makuta (as beings composed of Antidermis wouldn't get picked up by the Red Star even if the teleporter was working) and the symbol was there because he was tapping into the power supply from the Mata Nui Robot to do so. If the main villian of the series is clever enough to essentially become the Matoran Universe, it wouldn't be entirely out of the question for him to create a fail safe in the event that he perished before seeing his plan through

Interesting idea, but why would the Unity-Duty-Destiny/Shattering-reminder symbol be there because of him tapping into a power supply? (Or any other reason, if Makuta made it?)

 

I always figured that it was one of the Avohkii's gimmicks. Like a fail-safe of some sort that is able to turn the chosen wearer into a beam of light, then absorbs them to keep them safe.

No, we know that it's the normal "if you die with a mask on your face, your mind/spirit is temporarily preserved by imprint on the mask" system. It's not an Avohkii-specific thing. What we don't know is all the details about that revival machine, which could take spirits trapped in masks and give them bodies again (like Takutanuva did with Jaller).

 

It's quite possible that something like that was involved though; maybe it was activated by the Avohkii's light elemental power or something. I still kinda doubt it though.

[Akavakaku]

Okay, what if it has something to do with Takutanuva? His death was such that he would be taken to the Red Star, but with him being half antidermis that's impossible. So rather than transport him, the Red Star unfused him, leaving Teridax on one side of the door and Takanuva on the other. Since the two separated beings no longer had to support a fusion of incompatible biologies and elements, even them each recieving half of Takutanuva's life force was enough to bring both of them to life.

[fishers64]

Er, gaseous antidermis can't get killed by a door.

[bonesiii]

The Red Star wasn't involved, and the reason the door fell was that reviving Jaller had taken so much out of the fusion that it was already becoming unfused.

[Akavakaku]

I don't think either of you really understood what I said. What I'm saying is

1. As a being of both antidermis gas and protodermis biomech, Takutanuva had a very high minimum energy threshold.

2. He was killed by the door falling on him.

3: Dying unfused him.

4: Takanuva and Teridax each recieved half of his remaining life energy.

5: Since they were back to their normal biologies, this small amount of life energy was enough to revive both of them.

[fishers64]

1. As a being of both antidermis gas and protodermis biomech, Takutanuva had a very high minimum energy threshold.

This is true.

2. He was killed by the door falling on him.

This is not true, because gaseous antidermis cannot be killed by a door.

 

3: Dying unfused him.

No, it was reviving Jaller than unfused him, as bones said. Either that, or not having enough energy, because Makuta can't be killed by a door. Makuta did not die here.

 

4: Takanuva and Teridax each recieved half of his remaining life energy.

True. But Takanuva was killed by the door, so his half "died".

 

5: Since they were back to their normal biologies, this small amount of life energy was enough to revive both of them.

True, but that amount of life energy wouldn't be enough to stop Takanuva from being crushed by a door after the unfusion was complete, and thus dying.

[bonesiii]

Sorry, Av, but I was even more confused by this post. Are you talking about an alternate scenario or something?

 

I was about to mention things like "Teridax didn't die", but I see fishers has ninja'd me so I'll leave it at that...

[Timageness]

To answer your question bonesiii, the symbol wouldn't have had anything to do with Makuta, as he wouldn't have created that. The symbol could have been previously etched into all of the access panels above the maintenance hatches. The device, being above the power supply, could have been directly under the hatch, and the symbol itself being there could have just been a fluke (the device working through the hatch however, would either be due to the Rule of Cool or just plain old lazy writing). Honestly though, I like this theory as an Antidermis revival device only (if there was even a device under there in the first place) because Makuta wouldn't build a revival device so anyone could use it, and still support the Kanohi theory that took place above it. Takanuva (being in control of Takutanuva) having the foresight to see his own demise after being unfused just seems more likely to me, because beings fused via energised protodermis on occasion have powers neither individual had previously.

Edited September 13, 2014 by timageness411

[Nidhiki of the Shadows]

All these recent topics are making me realize a bunch of plot holes and it's ruining the movies for me haha

 

Why cruel world

 

-NotS

[25K Now!]

I always assumed he'd left an imprint on his mask and that combined with residual energies of the fusion or what-not plus whatever that thing on the ground actually was brought him back.

[The Hip Historian Iaredios]

I just thought that light had restored his body, like it interacted with the mask's power and charged both it and something else. Since reading this topic, the energy output by a reacting mask could have activated the remaining life energy from Takutanuva.