Akavakaku Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 So we know that when a Matoran becomes a Toa, their powerless Kanohi becomes a Great Kanohi. Now, when Takua put on the Avohkii, he was still wearing his powerless Pakari. So shouldn't it have transformed into a Great Pakari? I find it very possible and likely that it did, since he could have just worn the Avohkii over it. He might not even have realized he had the Great Pakari, and he certainly didn't have time to learn to use its power. So what happened to this mask? My guess is it was destroyed by the energized protodermis.Thoughts? Counterarguments? Quote ( The bunny slippers hiss and slither into the shadows. ) -Takuaka: Toa of TimeWhat if the Toa you know best were not destined to be? Interchange: The epic begins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archon~ Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 Huh, I actually never thought about this.. My guess is that it was just abandoned or like you said destroyed by the EP?Maybe Takanuva has a Suva and it's over there ? 1 Quote Archon *** "For one to truly feel alive, the person must kill oneself a little bit each and every day." Check out my MOC, one of the new generation of Toa on Spherus Magna! ***Toa Kyraan*** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Smith Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 Since the movies have some elements that are confirmed not to be canon, perhaps in-canon he took his Pakari off first? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambion Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 new headcanon: Takanuva wears a great Pakari underneath the Avohkii. he has no idea that it's there. 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axilus Prime Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 Since the movies have some elements that are confirmed not to be canon, perhaps in-canon he took his Pakari off first?This seems most likely, since wearing one mask on top of another seems to be a movie-only thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishers64 Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 It's not standard practice to wear one mask on top of the other, but it's possible. Another thing is that the transformation from Matoran to Toa could have shattered/dissolved it. 1 Quote Hero Factory RPG | Bionicle Mafia XXIX: Storyline & Theories Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonesiii Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 In the movie it's pretty clear that everything other than the Mask of Light was 'destroyed' by the transformation. Whether that is artistic license or not, I'm not sure, but I'd go with the Pakari ceasing to exist. Quote The Destiny of Bionicle (chronological retelling of Bionicle original series, 9 PDFs of 10 chapters each on Google Drive): Part 1 - Warring with Fate | Part 2 - Year of Change | Part 3 - The Exploration Trap | Part 4 - Rise of the Warlords | Part 5 - A Busy Matoran | Part 6 - The Dark Time | Part 7 - Proving Grounds | Part 8 - A Rude Awakening | Part 9 - The Battle of Giants My Bionicle Fanfiction (Google Drive folder, eventually planned to have PDFs of all of it) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.S.M.8 Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 new headcanon: Takanuva wears a great Pakari underneath the Avohkii. he has no idea that it's there.It's hard to not notice that kind of thing. Even if he couldn't feel the weight of an extra metal plate attached to his face (granted, if anyone would miss something like that, it would be him), someone else would have told him (it would be visible near his chin and in between the spikes on the top of the Avohkii). It's not standard practice to wear one mask on top of the other, but it's possible. Another thing is that the transformation from Matoran to Toa could have shattered/dissolved it. They DID imply that his Pakari was flawed in some way... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambion Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 (edited) new headcanon: Takanuva wears a great Pakari underneath the Avohkii. he has no idea that it's there.It's hard to not notice that kind of thing. Even if he couldn't feel the weight of an extra metal plate attached to his face (granted, if anyone would miss something like that, it would be him), someone else would have told him (it would be visible near his chin and in between the spikes on the top of the Avohkii). it might be easy to notice that you're wearing two masks, but apparently it's not quite so easy to notice when someone's made a joke about wearing two masks. :b Edited September 13, 2014 by Arc 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordofBionicles Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 In the story he did put his Pakari off in order to wear the Avohkii, but the folks behind the Mask of Light movie were not going to show us a makless matoran, so that's why Takua put the Avohkii like that in the movie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banana Gunz Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 Probably what Bonesiii said. I don't see any need for Takanuva to run around with an extra great Pakari hanging off of his face. Quote tumblr: it's a lovely place to be if you've gone madflickr: mah yummy gross pics mmmPew Pew Pew Pew Pew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toa Smoke Monster Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 In the MoL book, it says that the Avohkii 'made contact with his own mask,' as it was shown in the movie. So I agree with Bonesiii in that the Pakari was destroyed when Takua became Takanuva. 3 Quote Everyone is one choice away from being the bad guy in another person's story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takhamavahu Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 it's definitely been a peculiartiy of the movie universe to put one mask over another. I would say that in paralell continuities, he must have taken his other mask off. Quote Flash Fire Adaptive Armour Where They All Are Tobduk Nikila Iron Wolf Artakha Adaptive Armour 2 Helryx Lariska Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Kohran Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 the folks behind the Mask of Light movie were not going to show us a makless matoran There's a moment in the deleted footage section of Takua tripping in the Kohlii match and his mask coming off, in which he can actually be seen maskless as he scrambles to reclaim it. I guess that bit was removed to avoid showing that, though I don't know what the thinking behind that was. Lhikan's death sequence in the second movie avoids showing his face after he removes his mask to give to Vakama. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Smith Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 (edited) I seem to remember them saying on the commentary track that they decided not to show Matoran faces because they wanted to keep them mysterious. Of course, since you can see the faces on the sets, I'm not sure what the point was. Maybe it somehow had something to do with keeping Mata Nui's true nature a secret? I dunno, kind of a stretch. Edited September 14, 2014 by John Smith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boidoh Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 In the MoL book, it says that the Avohkii 'made contact with his own mask,' as it was shown in the movie. So I agree with Bonesiii in that the Pakari was destroyed when Takua became Takanuva. Also in the Toa Empire AU, Takanuva put his mask over Takua's mask to see if something would happen. Quote Add me on 3DS: 0516-7750-0068Add me on Wii U: Boidoh "I am Lloyd Garmadon, son of Lord Garmadon." - Lloyd, Episode 4: Never Trust a Snake"I am Lloyd Garmadon, son of Lord Garmadon." - Lloyd, Episode 44: Corridor of EldersLike, Comment, And Subscribe for Nintendo Content - NinBoidoh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takhamavahu Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 I would still say that those are written (especially the Mask of Light Novel) to reflect the movie. Bionicle had a lot of cooks in the kitchen and canon can be muddy. Bionicle does not have a single, perfect canon as we would like to think, and it branches into many sub-continuities. Tiny details like this are not nearly as important as the broad strokes of canon. 1 Quote Flash Fire Adaptive Armour Where They All Are Tobduk Nikila Iron Wolf Artakha Adaptive Armour 2 Helryx Lariska Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lielac Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 I would still say that those are written (especially the Mask of Light Novel) to reflect the movie. Bionicle had a lot of cooks in the kitchen and canon can be muddy. Bionicle does not have a single, perfect canon as we would like to think, and it branches into many sub-continuities. Tiny details like this are not nearly as important as the broad strokes of canon.As a fanfic writer, I respectfully disagree. The details are very important! Otherwise, if a similar situation happens in a story I'm writing, I waste time trying to decide which version of events to follow. 3 Quote I write stories, on occasion. Finishing them... yeah, uh. That's another thing entirely. Avatar made with the Rayg Kit 2.5, and featuring Lilak, Toa of Lightning.She is totally, totally not a shameless self-insert. Y'know, except for the part where she is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akavakaku Posted September 14, 2014 Author Share Posted September 14, 2014 Maskless Jaller is clearly seen in LoMN. Quote ( The bunny slippers hiss and slither into the shadows. ) -Takuaka: Toa of TimeWhat if the Toa you know best were not destined to be? Interchange: The epic begins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zidonaro Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 (edited) I like to think he removed his Pakari first. It would make no sense. In my canon the same thing happened with Matoro when he died. Edited September 14, 2014 by HoloTheWise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Kohran Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 Maskless Jaller is clearly seen in LoMN. The only shot of him without his mask is from behind, and he isn't shown from the front until the Hau has been placed on his face. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nidhiki of the Shadows Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 This was probably due to the animators not wanting to create/show a maskless face, so they just had Takanuva put the Avohkii over his Pakari. Artistic license leads to these kinds of inconsistencies, but I honestly don't get why people can get so worked up over something so insignificant/take it too literally. I mean, it doesn't change the story does it? That's like saying the Mata Nui robot AT SOME POINT HAD to look like the Mata Nui set because of a depiction in the Graphic Novel. I'm not saying you guys are like that, it's just something that bugs me. -NotS 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
25K Now! Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 It might have been destroyed upon contact. Became extra mass to fuel his transformation. Quote http://vimeo.com/198967785 BZPRPG Profiles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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