Can the Toa disassemble themselves?

[Fry]

When the Toa first arrived on Mata-Nui, they had to build themselves because they had "decomposed" in their pods. So, after assembling themselves again, could the Toa theoretically disassemble themselves?

[bonesiii]

Yes.

 

(We know the biomechanical characters can rebuild themselves. )

Edited September 30, 2014 by bonesiii

[theyoungestchild]

Yes they can. I don't see why they would want to though, unless they were rebuilding themselves to be stronger like the Matoran of Mata Nui did.

[-Windrider-]

Let's try S&T?

[Aanchir]

I'm sure they could, but if they went about it the right way it'd probably be very painful. The same way that pulling out an individual hair on your head might not hurt, but grabbing a handful of hair and yanking on it would. Perhaps that's the reason the Matoran of Mata Nui had to be taught to rebuild themselves after the Bohrok-Kal were defeated.

[Zidonaro]

I'm sure they could, but if they went about it the right way it'd probably be very painful. The same way that pulling out an individual hair on your head might not hurt, but grabbing a handful of hair and yanking on it would. Perhaps that's the reason the Matoran of Mata Nui had to be taught to rebuild themselves after the Bohrok-Kal were defeated.

 

I thought it was the Turaga who rebuild all of them.

[Toa Smoke Monster]

 

I'm sure they could, but if they went about it the right way it'd probably be very painful. The same way that pulling out an individual hair on your head might not hurt, but grabbing a handful of hair and yanking on it would. Perhaps that's the reason the Matoran of Mata Nui had to be taught to rebuild themselves after the Bohrok-Kal were defeated.

 

I thought it was the Turaga who rebuild all of them.

 

I believe Aanchir means that the Matoran were taught by the Turaga to rebuild themselves.

[LordofBionicles]

Yes they can, just like a LEGO set! This means that as long as their organs don't get destroyed they should be able to rebuild themselves after receiving a fatal wound.

[Aanchir]

 

 

I'm sure they could, but if they went about it the right way it'd probably be very painful. The same way that pulling out an individual hair on your head might not hurt, but grabbing a handful of hair and yanking on it would. Perhaps that's the reason the Matoran of Mata Nui had to be taught to rebuild themselves after the Bohrok-Kal were defeated.

 

I thought it was the Turaga who rebuild all of them.

 

I believe Aanchir means that the Matoran were taught by the Turaga to rebuild themselves.

 

That's how I understood it. I'm not entirely sure if anything more specific was ever described, but this article describes how the Matoran were transformed "through the teachings of the Turaga", which implies to me that the Turaga taught the Matoran to rebuild themselves rather than doing it for them. There were supposedly over 1,000 Matoran on Mata Nui — can you imagine the Turaga rebuilding them one by one?

[Zidonaro]

 

 

 

I'm sure they could, but if they went about it the right way it'd probably be very painful. The same way that pulling out an individual hair on your head might not hurt, but grabbing a handful of hair and yanking on it would. Perhaps that's the reason the Matoran of Mata Nui had to be taught to rebuild themselves after the Bohrok-Kal were defeated.

 

I thought it was the Turaga who rebuild all of them.

 

I believe Aanchir means that the Matoran were taught by the Turaga to rebuild themselves.

 

That's how I understood it. I'm not entirely sure if anything more specific was ever described, but this article describes how the Matoran were transformed "through the teachings of the Turaga", which implies to me that the Turaga taught the Matoran to rebuild themselves rather than doing it for them. There were supposedly over 1,000 Matoran on Mata Nui — can you imagine the Turaga rebuilding them one by one?

 

 

Wow dude, these old sites sure have a lot of useful information ! xD

[Regitnui]

Considering that this almost certainly involves tearing muscle-equivalent and nerves, I imagine it would be a lot like plastic surgery: A risky and complex procedure best done by experts.

[The Hip Historian Iaredios]

Considering that this almost certainly involves tearing muscle-equivalent and nerves, I imagine it would be a lot like plastic surgery: A risky and complex procedure best done by experts.

So you are telling me that clucking Nuju and magician Matau, along with the rest of that mery band of secretive wise-guy liars, are plastic surgeons? I've heard of stranger things... Yes Mr. Platypus, I am, in fact, looking at you; deal with it.

Edited October 1, 2014 by Iaredios

[Regitnui]

 

Considering that this almost certainly involves tearing muscle-equivalent and nerves, I imagine it would be a lot like plastic surgery: A risky and complex procedure best done by experts.

So you are telling me that clucking Nuju and magician Matau, along with the rest of that mery band of secretive wise-guy liars, are plastic surgeons? I've heard of stranger things... Yes Mr. Platypus, I am, in fact, looking at you; deal with it.

I would more likely believe Nokama, Whenua and Nuju remembered parts of the procedure, and the six turaga worked together to rebuild the first few, and taught the others to do so.

 

As for them being plastic surgeons, that was what we call an analogy; taking a foreign concept and translating it with familiar concepts.

[The Hip Historian Iaredios]

 

 

Considering that this almost certainly involves tearing muscle-equivalent and nerves, I imagine it would be a lot like plastic surgery: A risky and complex procedure best done by experts.

So you are telling me that clucking Nuju and magician Matau, along with the rest of that mery band of secretive wise-guy liars, are plastic surgeons? I've heard of stranger things... Yes Mr. Platypus, I am, in fact, looking at you; deal with it.

I would more likely believe Nokama, Whenua and Nuju remembered parts of the procedure, and the six turaga worked together to rebuild the first few, and taught the others to do so.

As for them being plastic surgeons, that was what we call an analogy; taking a foreign concept and translating it with familiar concepts.

Yeah.. That was just moi having fun, please do take into account my word choices and what I said Senior Roboto. Danke.

[Toa Of Virtues]

Well, it had to be done to the matoran for them to be upgraded, so yes. Although, I would assume it would hurt if they tried to do it themselves. Maybe the turaga were able to switch off their nerves while they were being rebuilt.

[fishers64]

Considering that this almost certainly involves tearing muscle-equivalent and nerves, I imagine it would be a lot like plastic surgery: A risky and complex procedure best done by experts.

How do we know this? I thought the muscles would be encapsulated and connected to mechanical parts in a way that could avoid harm. Replacing muscle and nerves, sure, but not tearing it. 

 

The problem with this sort of thing is kinda obvious, though. How do you attach your leg with no arm? With no leg, you may have trouble maneuvering to attach your arm or your leg. I think having people around to help with this sort of thing might be a good idea. 

[Mailli]

Each piece has its own muscle and nerve system. When pieces are connected, they reconnect the muscles and the nerves at the joint. It's like a plug in a socket, and one stick does nerves, one does blood, etc...

[Toa Of Virtues]

Makuta: "You can't fight me! Your arm's come off!"

 

Tahu: "It's just a flesh-wound."

 

 

I think you would have to tear muscle to take them apart, since that's what happened to the Toa Mata in their canisters. I also can imagine that it would hurt, unless someone managed to "switch off pain" like I had said earlier. I think the fan animation "Pohatu's Arrival" depicts bionicle muscles well.

[Regitnui]

The parts of the body reliant on pistons (individual arms, Onua's claws, Gali's hooks, etc.) could move by themselves, but I think Matoran use the muscles as a more efficient and compact alternative on the body level.

 

The forced or inexpert removal of an arm could likely hurt enough to knock a warrior out of the fight. If a limb was removed properly, a toa could be up and fighting before it was reattached. If a Ta-Toa was interrupted while upgrading, I could see them charging into battle channeling fire through one arm or just their legs.

[Nidhiki of the Shadows]

Wouldn't that be cool if there were like instances of dismemberment during some battles? (like self-induced, such as a Toa taking off their arm because the enemy has them in a lock and it's hard to escape). Considering that they are mostly robotic anyway, I think seeing something like that in a movie-like environment would be harmless, treat it like Lego just... breaking. And then reassembling. Could create some pretty creative fight scenes.

 

-NotS

[UnderscoreChronix]

ew

[Regitnui]

To give that a more in-depth response; it would likely be a very interesting strategy, but it is most probably a desperation tactic. The Toa's limbs aren't meant to detach, especially in the heat and speed of a combat situation. Detaching a limb would probably take too much time in battle unless the Toa was willing to potentially cripple themselves permanently.

 

Anyway, it might be too gory for the target market for that to happen in an actual canon fight.

[bonesiii]

I think you would have to tear muscle to take them apart

No; see earlier discussion about the muscle ends connecting to metal bits or something like that which could detach.

 

Wouldn't that be cool if there were like instances of dismemberment during some battles? (like self-induced, such as a Toa taking off their arm because the enemy has them in a lock and it's hard to escape). Considering that they are mostly robotic anyway, I think seeing something like that in a movie-like environment would be harmless, treat it like Lego just... breaking. And then reassembling. Could create some pretty creative fight scenes.

Yeah, I've theorized that for years. I actually featured this in my lesser known computer game, Enigma Pacman (but as an effect caused by an enemy power). I call it Deconstruction.

 

The Toa's limbs aren't meant to detach, especially in the heat and speed of a combat situation. Detaching a limb would probably take too much time in battle unless the Toa was willing to potentially cripple themselves permanently.

Maybe, but it depends on the situation. I doubt it would come up often for self-induced uses. Still, there might be situations where it would be useful, and I doubt it would take long. The reconstructing the Toa Mata did didn't take long even though they'd been rotting for 100,000 years.

 

Anyway, it might be too gory for the target market for that to happen in an actual canon fight.

Again, depends. If it wasn't explained before this how their biomechanics work, maybe, but it was actually used (non-canonically) without explanation in Bionicle Heroes as a way to show defeat of some bad guys. Since they look like robots, most people would probably just assume it was robotic parts detaching, and not think of it as gory at all. If some would (something LEGO could research with focus groups if they felt it likely), a simple explanation would head that off at the pass (or explain it later if they didn't anticipate the criticism).

 

Main problem with the argument is that Toa Mata were shown "dismembered" in the very opening scenes of Bionicle, and nobody cried "too gory!" They're LEGO characters. It's like in LEGO Island.

Edited October 2, 2014 by bonesiii

[TheDarkSide]

I've always assumed they could, but choose not to. They might lose an arm or an eye.

[NickonAquaMagna]

Frankly, I'm just amazed that Tahu and the others were able to function at all with the fleshy half of their brain rotted away and all of their blood dried up an' everything. I'd imagine that for a while, they were in a pretty sorry state, making creaking noises as they moved an' whatnot, and their flesh either just gradually grew back over time, or was miraculously restored all at once upon becoming the Toa Nuva.

[Ballom Nom Nom]

Given that the Karda Makuta could shoot half their chests as weapons, I sure hope the Toa can counterattack with similar body part projectiles.

 

~B~

[Regitnui]

The chest launchers were open space in their armour designed to hold and drop those leech pods. The pods weren't part of the makuta any more than the zamor spheres were part of the piraka. Or at least that's how I read it.

[bonesiii]

I'm just amazed that Tahu and the others were able to function at all with the fleshy half of their brain rotted away

(Last I heard), we don't know what their brains are. They may be entirely biological, entirely robotic, possibly even entirely mechanical, or some combination of these, or even something else like advanced crystal. Evidence seems to support biological (Krana for example). Regardless, we also don't know to what extent rotting happened, if at all in the technical sense, in their brains.

[Mailli]

To give that a more in-depth response; it would likely be a very interesting strategy, but it is most probably a desperation tactic. The Toa's limbs aren't meant to detach, especially in the heat and speed of a combat situation. Detaching a limb would probably take too much time in battle unless the Toa was willing to potentially cripple themselves permanently.

 

Anyway, it might be too gory for the target market for that to happen in an actual canon fight.

I'm guessing it would be like dislocating a joint. Incredibly painful, but not lethal.

Edited October 7, 2014 by Mailli

[The Undertaken]

And sometimes not even painful *dislocates arm to wrap around neck*

 

Now there's a thought: A character who would essentially be the MU version of hyperflexable. Being able to detach a limb or two in a fight with minimal trouble due to poorly formed muscles/ligaments/whatever, throwing off their opponent and getting out of certain holds and the like.

[Dralcax]

Presumably taking off and reattaching a limb is like dismantling and reassembling a car engine, if you don't know what you're doing then it's not going to work when it comes back together. And unless you can precisely manuever a tiny screwdriver on your own shoulder at ludicrous speeds, detaching your own limbs is the worst combat tactic ever.

[boston100]

could the to a switch limbs? like could gali trade arms with tabu for a day? Also could matron or turaga do it two? It would be cool (though i don't think it would happen) if a character killed  people and stole their parts. 

[Tahu3.0]

yea they can

[The Hip Historian Iaredios]

could the to a switch limbs? like could gali trade arms with tabu for a day? Also could matron or turaga do it two? It would be cool (though i don't think it would happen) if a character killed people and stole their parts.

(Your spelling irks me so)

I can imagine a Metru Nui matoran sleeping on the job and Voya Nui hooligans take off their own messed up limbs and replace the limbs with the sleeping fellow. He wakes up to find rainbow colored limbs in place. He calls the authorities and after an investigation the case goes cold and the matoran is stuck with his faulty colorful arms and legs.

 

After 2 years of mockery and shame, he sees a matoran with one of his arms and chase akin to a Bourne movie commences, the chased matoran crying and screaming and arms flailing about while he runs for his life.

 

That's just too funny. xD I want to see a cartoon of that now!