Fusion Kanohi Element Question

[UltToaNovaJoshNova]

I'm wondering if for example a Toa Kaita was formed with two Toa of fire and a toa of air would it have double the amount of power over fire? Second if for example a kaita was formed with two masks of shielding and one levitation would it's mask have a stronger shield? 

 

[fishers64]

I think Greg said that to form a Kaita, you need Toa of three different elements.
 

1: Can a Toa Kaita be made from three Toa with the same element, or do the elements have to be different?
 
1) Have to be different

 
 I'm not sure that rules out a 2 Air, 1 Fire fusion though. You'd have to ask Greg - I've ran the Kaita search before, and never seen anything else to this effect. 
 
As for the masks, I don't see why not. You may need stronger levitation to levitate a being that's bigger, after all.

Edited October 1, 2014 by fishers64

[Regitnui]

Of course that rules out a 2 Le- 1 Ta- Kaita. If the Toa involved want to create a Kaita or Nui, they must be different elements. A Vo-, Fe- and Ba-Toa can create a Kaita, but 3 le-Toa cannot. Nor can any Toa who share elements form any fusion.

[Archon~]

Basically what they said, you meed dofferent elements, and the Kanohi question is rather interesting... I'd imagine it would be boosted where the power can be boosted?

 

Of course that rules out a 2 Le- 1 Ta- Kaita. If the Toa involved want to create a Kaita or Nui, they must be different elements. A Vo-, Fe- and Ba-Toa can create a Kaita, but 3 le-Toa cannot. Nor can any Toa who share elements form any fusion.

Toa can't create Nui sadly. :/

[Regitnui]

 

Of course that rules out a 2 Le- 1 Ta- Kaita. If the Toa involved want to create a Kaita or Nui, they must be different elements. A Vo-, Fe- and Ba-Toa can create a Kaita, but 3 le-Toa cannot. Nor can any Toa who share elements form any fusion.

Toa can't create Nui sadly. :/

Can't, or haven't? If the Matoran and Turaga can form both Nui and Kaita, why not Toa?

Edited October 2, 2014 by Regitnui

[ALVIS]

 

 

Of course that rules out a 2 Le- 1 Ta- Kaita. If the Toa involved want to create a Kaita or Nui, they must be different elements. A Vo-, Fe- and Ba-Toa can create a Kaita, but 3 le-Toa cannot. Nor can any Toa who share elements form any fusion.

Toa can't create Nui sadly. :/

Can't, or haven't? If the Matoran and Turaga can form both Nui and Kaita, why not Toa?

 

 

Greg eventually confirmed that a Toa Nui couldn't happen, because it would be way too powerful and unbalance the story. Frankly, I agree.

[Regitnui]

The Makuta have 42 different powers along with elemental shadow and shape shifting. Any Toa would be flattened one-on-one with any of them. The Kaita were defeated without even coming into Teridax's presence, and a Toa Nui would be too powerful? I doubt that. A Toa Nui would more probably be equivalent to about two or three full-powered Makuta at the most. That is, even if six Toa could concentrate long enough to hold the fusion for more than a few minutes at a time.

[fishers64]

Greg eventually confirmed that a Toa Nui couldn't happen, because it would be way too powerful and unbalance the story. Frankly, I agree.

 

11 i read some were about toa nui the fusion of six toa is this really posible or was it a mistake on the page?

 

11) The Toa Nui is a legend. It has not existed in the universe and most likely never will.

 

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4.I know that the Toa Nui is just a legend, but i remeber someone saying that if it was created, it would have the powers of Mata Nui. Is this true?

 

4) Irrelevant, since one will never exist

 

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7) This next question is about Toa Nui. If yuo do now want to answer it, just put DHT (Don't have time)

If a Toa Nui is as strong as Mata Nui, would a Toa Nui Nuva be stronger than Mata Nui? Also, can Toa form "Combos" of more than 6 Toa?

 

7) Since there is no such thing as a Toa Nui, the point is moot.

 

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7. I remember hearing something about a "Toa Nui". Is that possible to be formed?

 

7) No such thing exists.

 

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1. Why is there no Toa nui, even though there are Matoran and Turaga ones? Apparently Turaga Nui exist, since the official combiner appears on the Wiki page.

 

1) Because it simply doesn't exist. There is no such thing in the BIONICLE universe. 

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1. However, considering these were made by Great beings/ Glatorian etc., I see no reason why the GBs omitted a Toa Nui, so basically to rephrase my question: Why didn't the GBs make a Toa Nui? 

 

1) Because they didn't, simple as that. I think, seeing the devastation wrought by the Glatorian on their own world, maybe they felt making it possible for there to be a being as powerful as a Toa Nui would be was a bad idea.

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5. I know you said a Toa Nui couldn't exist, but could a Spear of Fusion create one?

5) No, because one cannot exist.

 

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1. I know you have said that a Toa Nui does not exist, but can six Toa fuse together, and what would the fusion be called if so?

 

1) No, they can't, because if they could, they would be forming a Nui.

 

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15. Is a Toa Nui (fusion of six) possible? If so, what powers would it have?

 

15) Then BS01 is wrong, because the creation of a Toa Nui was never possible. Toa Nui is a myth. The closest we have had to one is Krahka, who passed out from trying to control the power. From a story standpoint, a Toa Nui is too powerful and would unbalance the story.

[Banana Gunz]

I don't think two miru's combined would give the kaita stronger levitation powers. If things go as they did for the toa mata, their masks would combine to great a different one. (I'm not really a hundred percent sure about this but then if it's not true then it makes no sense why the toa mata kaita got the masks of valor and wisdom rather than mask combinations that included all their current mask powers.)

[fishers64]

I don't think two miru's combined would give the kaita stronger levitation powers. If things go as they did for the toa mata, their masks would combine to great a different one. (I'm not really a hundred percent sure about this but then if it's not true then it makes no sense why the toa mata kaita got the masks of valor and wisdom rather than mask combinations that included all their current mask powers.)

The masks of wisdom and valor contained the powers of the constituent masks that made it up. The masks don't grant wisdom and valor; those are just names.  

[Regitnui]

So Greg has gone from 'it's a legend' to 'it can't exist' over time. His answers make it seem less like the Toa Nui is physically impossible and more like the GB prevented such a thing from happening within the MU. Son it could happen, but won't, due to hardwired limitations in the Toa hardware.

[Archon~]

So Greg has gone from 'it's a legend' to 'it can't exist' over time. His answers make it seem less like the Toa Nui is physically impossible and more like the GB prevented such a thing from happening within the MU. Son it could happen, but won't, due to hardwired limitations in the Toa hardware.

I made sense of it by saying that it's just one of the failsafes the GBs installed to prevent the Toa from destroying the MU/SM. Think of the Toa Empire with Toa Nui? Metru Nui would eventually be levelled.

 

EDIT: To add onto that, Matoran and Turaga aren't powerful enough to fend off most MU foes on their own, this their Nui forms were also installed as failsafes to protect Mata Nui's chosen people in case of absence of Toa, or if the threat is too great for them to deal individually (ex. Matoran Nui fights Nui-Jaga).

Edited October 3, 2014 by Archon~

[bonesiii]

It could be a failsafe, or it could just be that no mind exists that can handle it (or rather group of minds since it's a fusion). Or the two could be the same, if the GBs would have had to add features to allow it if they wanted to, and chose not to.

 

Does sound more like a rule they added to forbid it though.

 

 

 

I'm not sure what to make of the mask question, though. I guess one of them would just be redundant? Or maybe there's a time for the power to recharge involved (as some powers actually state), so maybe they could use one while the other recharged? A Kaita of three of the same mask powers would probably be redundant though (but if that was all three particular Toa had and they needed to be a Kaita for other reasons, it might happen anyways).

[Regitnui]

I don't see any reason why a Miru would need to be any more powerful to lift a Kaita. The Kaita uses its mask to levitate, just as the Toa would. A makuta twice the size of a Toa wearing a Miru wouldn't need their mask boosted, so why would a Kaita?

[Jonathan Crane]

an even better question: could three kiata combine into an ultimate kiata?

[fishers64]

an even better question: could three kiata combine into an ultimate kiata?

If a Toa Nui is impossible...

 

I'm going to go with no, seeing as a Toa Kaita Kaita would be extremely powerful. Nine different elements under a single mind's command...

[Jonathan Crane]

question: if Toa of Earth, Fire, and Lightning formed a Kiata, would it be a Kiata of Plasma?

[Akavakaku]

No, it would be a Kaita of Earth, Fire and Lightning. :/

[Jonathan Crane]

No, it would be a Kaita of Earth, Fire and Lightning. :/

well, yes, but could the combination create plasma?

[Archon~]

 

 

No, it would be a Kaita of Earth, Fire and Lightning. :/

well, yes, but could the combination create plasma?

Real life physics don't apply to Bionicle unless Greg says so. So I want to say while you could maybe imitate plasma, I don't think the Kaita would have elemental control over it, nor manipulate it individually. Same argument can be made when Tahu makes lava by melting earth/stone around him.

[Regitnui]

Norik used his Lava Spear to control lava, though as a Toa of Fire he could create it whenever he liked by melting the ground.

 

Why does Earth+Fire+Lightning=Plasma anyway? My physics knowledge says plasma is an ionized gas, not some magical mixture of classical elements.

[Archon~]

Norik used his Lava Spear to control lava, though as a Toa of Fire he could create it whenever he liked by melting the ground.

That's because the innate weapon's power is lava control, just how the Power Lance naturally amplifies the users elemental energy blasts.

[Regitnui]

That's kinda my point. Norik had to have a special Tool to control lava. It's not part of the usual Ta-Toa setup.

[Archon~]

That's kinda my point. Norik had to have a special Tool to control lava. It's not part of the usual Ta-Toa setup.

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[Jonathan Crane]

 

That's kinda my point. Norik had to have a special Tool to control lava. It's not part of the usual Ta-Toa setup.

I misread your precious post, my b.

 

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[Archon~]

 

 

That's kinda my point. Norik had to have a special Tool to control lava. It's not part of the usual Ta-Toa setup.

 

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[dotcom]

 

I don't think two miru's combined would give the kaita stronger levitation powers. If things go as they did for the toa mata, their masks would combine to great a different one. (I'm not really a hundred percent sure about this but then if it's not true then it makes no sense why the toa mata kaita got the masks of valor and wisdom rather than mask combinations that included all their current mask powers.)

The masks of wisdom and valor contained the powers of the constituent masks that made it up. The masks don't grant wisdom and valor; those are just names.  

 

This is a bit late and slightly off topic, but, this has always confused me. What's the deal with the Aki and Rua? When the Toa Mata formed the Kaita, they weren't wearing their original Kanohi anymore, they were wearing those special golden Kanohi, each of which had the powers of all 6  masks. So how come when they fused they ended up wearing masks with only half the powers?

[Regitnui]

Don't quote me on this, but I think a kaita's mask gains the properties of the component masks. Now the Mata were wearing the corresponding shapes of the golden kanohi, so maybe only the one power got included? I don't recall seeing the Kaita use any mask powers, though.

[fishers64]

Don't quote me on this, but I think a kaita's mask gains the properties of the component masks. Now the Mata were wearing the corresponding shapes of the golden kanohi, so maybe only the one power got included? I don't recall seeing the Kaita use any mask powers, though.

Yeah, in general they just hit stuff.

 

Though what I'm remembering is MNOG - there were two Hapka portrayals, and the portrayal of Wairuha in Makuta's Revenge might have some mask power use, seeing as masks were all that Kaita had at the moment. 

[Jonathan Crane]

 

Don't quote me on this, but I think a kaita's mask gains the properties of the component masks. Now the Mata were wearing the corresponding shapes of the golden kanohi, so maybe only the one power got included? I don't recall seeing the Kaita use any mask powers, though.

Yeah, in general they just hit stuff.

 

Though what I'm remembering is MNOG - there were two Hapka portrayals, and the portrayal of Wairuha in Makuta's Revenge might have some mask power use, seeing as masks were all that Kaita had at the moment. 

 

I believe they did in the novels