Zidonaro Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Remember this video ? Vakama dives into Molten protodermis and is apparently unharmed... Is this canon at all ? Does only Toa of Fire have this type of resistance ? The Molten Protodermis that the Hagah encountered looks like was going to kill them, tho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pohatu: Uniter of Stone Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 I always assumed he landed at the bottom of the conveyor, or on a solid slab like the one he rode on. Quote I HATE SCORPIOS ~Pohatu Master of Stone, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
25K Now! Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Toa of Fire have heat resistance, so it may(?) have been possible that he survived a short dip. However, it's probably just there to look snazzy. 3 Quote http://vimeo.com/198967785 BZPRPG Profiles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuuli Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 In bionicle Heroes the video game, wearing the mask of fire turns you into a fire Toa, and they can survive walking on/in the lava. The DS version allows you to swim in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonesiii Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 I always assumed he landed at the bottom of the conveyor, or on a solid slab like the one he rode on.Rewatching just now, it clearly shows him diving into the lava. Basically it depends on how heated it is, or how much heat the Toa absorbs as elemental energy temporarily to cool it down. We could assume that particular stream wasn't supersupersuperheated but just heated enough to glow. If it's not too hot, they should be able to resist the heat for a short time. The vid doesn't show how long he was submerged, so we're free to presume it wasn't long. 3 Quote The Destiny of Bionicle (chronological retelling of Bionicle original series, 9 PDFs of 10 chapters each on Google Drive): Part 1 - Warring with Fate | Part 2 - Year of Change | Part 3 - The Exploration Trap | Part 4 - Rise of the Warlords | Part 5 - A Busy Matoran | Part 6 - The Dark Time | Part 7 - Proving Grounds | Part 8 - A Rude Awakening | Part 9 - The Battle of Giants My Bionicle Fanfiction (Google Drive folder, eventually planned to have PDFs of all of it) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The 1st Shadow Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Also, remember Legends #5? When Vezon & Fenrakk fell into the lava, Jaller was prepared to jump in after them (not knowing that Vezon, the beast, and the Mask would be just fine), and stated that he would last longer in the lava than any of the others. So, yes, I think it's safe to say that Toa of Fire can survive in Lava for short dips, as has been suggested. 4 Quote ~Your friendly, neighborhood Shadow ~Credit for Avatar and Banner goes to NickonAquaMagna~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akavakaku Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 (edited) Two things. First, Jaller Inika was prepared to dive into lava to rescue the Mask of Life, and that he'd survive at least a few seconds in it. (Edit: Ninja'd.)Second, that's not really lava, it's the molten form of some kind of metallic protodermis, which may have a substantially lower melting point. Fully molten lava is about 700-900*C, higher than the melting points of aluminum, antimony, cadmium, lead, selenium, tin or zinc. Edited October 31, 2014 by Akavakaku 1 Quote ( The bunny slippers hiss and slither into the shadows. ) -Takuaka: Toa of TimeWhat if the Toa you know best were not destined to be? Interchange: The epic begins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toa Smoke Monster Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 I've actually never seen this video before. I wouldn't have thought that a Toa of Fire could survive something like this. But anyway, to add what others have said about Jaller Inika going to after Vezon in the pool of lava, Jaller says that he could possibly survive for about ten seconds before being killed by the lava. And Akavakaku could be right in that the molten metallic protodermis may have a lower melting point than lava. If so, then Vakama could've possibly lasted even longer than ten seconds when he made his dive into the molten protodermis. And since we don't see how long he was in the substance, its possible that he could've got out of it before it any serious damage to him. 1 Quote Everyone is one choice away from being the bad guy in another person's story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALVIS Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 This is part of the reason that BS01 lists promotional animations as being non-canon. 2 Quote "You are not entitled to your opinion. You are entitled to your informed opinion. No one is entitled to be ignorant." -- Harlan Ellison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The 1st Shadow Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Also, we don't know the melting point of protodermis. It's entirely possible that metallic and organic proto can withstand greater temperatures that we can, even with the added heat protection provided by a Toa of Fire's power. Quote ~Your friendly, neighborhood Shadow ~Credit for Avatar and Banner goes to NickonAquaMagna~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zidonaro Posted October 31, 2014 Author Share Posted October 31, 2014 Also, remember Legends #5? When Vezon & Fenrakk fell into the lava, Jaller was prepared to jump in after them (not knowing that Vezon, the beast, and the Mask would be just fine), and stated that he would last longer in the lava than any of the others. So, yes, I think it's safe to say that Toa of Fire can survive in Lava for short dips, as has been suggested. I've completely forgot about Jaller This is part of the reason that BS01 lists promotional animations as being non-canon. But it appeared in Vakama's promo CD, which, to my knowledge, is canon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nidhiki of the Shadows Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 But it appeared in Vakama's promo CD, which, to my knowledge, is canon.Yes but I do not believe it was made SPECIFICALLY for Vakama's promo CD. It was a promotional animation that they probably had to include within the contents of the CD somewhere.These promotional animations are made to sell toys. They aren't necessarily tied to story details. When Vakama jumps into the molten protodermis, it's for stylistic flair. Now to be honest, I was confused the first time I saw this in 2004 thinking "Wouldn't he have just died?" Regardless, I don't think it would have bugged many kids who did not know the specific power sets of a fire Toa. -NotS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacks Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Also, we don't know the melting point of protodermis. It's entirely possible that metallic and organic proto can withstand greater temperatures that we can, even with the added heat protection provided by a Toa of Fire's power.Except that, according to Vakama in the Jan. 2004 comic, molten protodermis "melts everything in its path." So I guess that's just proof that the video is non-canon 1 Quote ------------------------------------- ------------------------------------- Rate The Song Above You Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The 1st Shadow Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Also, we don't know the melting point of protodermis. It's entirely possible that metallic and organic proto can withstand greater temperatures that we can, even with the added heat protection provided by a Toa of Fire's power.Except that, according to Vakama in the Jan. 2004 comic, molten protodermis "melts everything in its path." So I guess that's just proof that the video is non-canon Melts everything, yes. But how quickly? It may melt "everything," but it doesn't say that it melts it instantly. Could take a few moments, depending on the material. 2 Quote ~Your friendly, neighborhood Shadow ~Credit for Avatar and Banner goes to NickonAquaMagna~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishers64 Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Is this canon at all ? Does only Toa of Fire have this type of resistance ? The Molten Protodermis that the Hagah encountered looks like was going to kill them, tho.Interestingly, out of all the scenarios brought up, this is actually the one where the Toa were in least danger. Not only was Norik a Toa of Fire, but he had a tool with the power of lava in it. If Miserix hadn't insulted their power by rescuing them, they probably would still be around. Quote Hero Factory RPG | Bionicle Mafia XXIX: Storyline & Theories Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonesiii Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 Except that, according to Vakama in the Jan. 2004 comic, molten protodermis "melts everything in its path." So I guess that's just proof that the video is non-canon No, see my earlier post. I was alluding to that very quote; you're making the mistake my post was correcting, in assuming all molten protodermis is of the same temperature. Quote The Destiny of Bionicle (chronological retelling of Bionicle original series, 9 PDFs of 10 chapters each on Google Drive): Part 1 - Warring with Fate | Part 2 - Year of Change | Part 3 - The Exploration Trap | Part 4 - Rise of the Warlords | Part 5 - A Busy Matoran | Part 6 - The Dark Time | Part 7 - Proving Grounds | Part 8 - A Rude Awakening | Part 9 - The Battle of Giants My Bionicle Fanfiction (Google Drive folder, eventually planned to have PDFs of all of it) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Click Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 Maybe there's also something different about organic protodermis, especially for a Toa of Fire. It inherits properties of both metals and flesh, so perhaps it can withstand higher heats like a metal, but the organic properties help it remain solid at higher temperatures. Perhaps the organic protodermis of Toa of Fire has an even higher heat resistance. Just a theory. Quote ~ Corpus Rahkshi: Fang | Hoto | Tube | Tear | Canvas | Garrotte | Reda BZPRPG: Azusai | Mitsuri The Scarabax Library | Flickr | Deviantart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katuko Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 Interestingly, out of all the scenarios brought up, this is actually the one where the Toa were in least danger. Not only was Norik a Toa of Fire, but he had a tool with the power of lava in it. If Miserix hadn't insulted their power by rescuing them, they probably would still be around.I thought his spear could only shoot a stream of lava, not control it. And even if it could, Norik was magnetized to wall and could not move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banana Gunz Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 This is interesting. I think the idea that the protodermis was on a much lower temperature than the usual super-hot is the best theory here. And toa of fire can sense heat and how hot things are, right? I'm thinking that they would be able to understand how hot the molten protodermis is before jumping in, and wouldn't go in if they sense that it's immediately deadly. Katuko also brings up a good point as to why the Toa Hagah couldn't escape the lava trap. Quote tumblr: it's a lovely place to be if you've gone madflickr: mah yummy gross pics mmmPew Pew Pew Pew Pew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The 1st Shadow Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 I think the general consensus is that:Molten proto varies in tempWe don't know the official heat-resistant threshold of metallic or organic proto (could be pretty high, compared to us)Toa of Fire are naturally resistant to extreme heat and can survive for a few seconds in lavaToF can absorb any excess heat to potentially survive for a few more secondsHave I missed anything? Quote ~Your friendly, neighborhood Shadow ~Credit for Avatar and Banner goes to NickonAquaMagna~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akavakaku Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 Not to mention that, as a protosmith, Vakama ought to have a good idea of how hot the various forms of molten protodermis are, and have a good idea of which he could safely enter with his newly increased heat tolerance. 1 Quote ( The bunny slippers hiss and slither into the shadows. ) -Takuaka: Toa of TimeWhat if the Toa you know best were not destined to be? Interchange: The epic begins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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