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THANK YOU! Here I was beginning to wonder if I was the only one who thought we needed something like this. Should this include the discussion on elements (i.e. the merging of fire and plasma, stone and earth, etc)? Powers in general seem to be the most confusing for some people, so I imagine that would be good to put in here.

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I'm thinking yes. I had planned to do an official elements topic, but it's so huge a task to collect them all, I'm thinking it'll be easier to do them one at a time, mixed in with other things here. Then maybe eventually I could include links to all the element-related ones in an elements topic (or just a category for the first post of the misconceptions topic...).

 

Edit: In fact, maybe I should start with the Fire/Plasma thing I posted in one of the current topics. That was pretty complete for that one... Might even put that in today... >__>

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Nice idea, especially considering all the fans, old and new, who'll become interested in Bionicle again next year. I have a few suggestions:

 

- There is romance in Bionicle (Matau makes a few lustful comments towards Nokama in Legends of Metru Nui, and of course there's the Huki/Maku thing in that one Bohrok animation).

- Roodaka was killed in Web of Shadows (it sure looks like Vakama killed her, and even more so when Teridax grabbed her with his shadow hand [after all, this same hand killed Nidhiki, Krekka, and Nivawk])

- The Toa Mata/Nuva were the first Toa (anyone looking back at the beginning of Bionicle [i.e. 2001] would probably think this; of course, the Toa Metru came before the Mata, and even then there was Helryx, Lesovikk, etc.)

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Re: romance -- that typically opens up a can of worms... Maybe eventually but let's focus on less controversial ones for now, yeah? (Also it's not quite that simple anyways... but that would be explained of course.)

 

Those other two I haven't seen commonly, but might make the list eventually.

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If it isn't already there, Toa of Light can become Bohrok or Bahrag. No, they can't. I need to do more research on the Bahrag one, but this Greg quote should suffice for the former: 

 


1a. What would happen to a Toa of Light of his destiny was to become a Bohrok?
1b. Is the above even possible?
 
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It's semi-canon.

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Well, at least the storyline and dialogue of MNOLG is canon; it's been referenced in Takanuva's Blog, BIONICLEstory.com, Toa Nuva Blog, and a few other places. Like I said, details may not be entirely accurate.

 

Which brings me to another misconception I think some people have: that Takanuva is as powerful as the Toa Nuva. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Takanuva is just a normal Toa with specialized abilities that help him to fight Makuta more easily. The Toa Nuva have way more raw power than Takanuva could have, right?

 

 

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Which brings me to another misconception I think some people have: that Takanuva is as powerful as the Toa Nuva. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Takanuva is just a normal Toa with specialized abilities that help him to fight Makuta more easily. The Toa Nuva have way more raw power than Takanuva could have, right?

Takanuva's abilities are the same as any other hypothetical Toa of Light's (except for the random extra Av-Matoran ability, since he never unlocked that.) He is probably somewhat more powerful than a regular Toa, seeing as the Av-Matoran have actual elemental powers and can grow when exposed to certain energies, but he's not a Toa Nuva.

 

The Toa Nuva have 25% more power than a normal Toa, and more intricate control over their elements.

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Wasn't it said that Takanuva could use ALL of those extra Av-Matoran abilities?

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Wasn't it said that Takanuva could use ALL of those extra Av-Matoran abilities?

His BS01 page says he can, but 'only after intense training.' It doesn't say if he's had this training yet or not.

 

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Hey, good one Mjol. I've seen that one persist even in conversations after I correct it. I wouldn't have thought of using it here though... (Silly me.)

 

 

I was under the impression Takanuva would be the same level as any non-Nuva Toa. Quisoves brings up an intriguing caution to that one though (the part about the Av-Matoran abilities perhaps making him a little above normal). I'd prefer to know if there is a definite canon answer to that. (Smoke's answer is noted, but is that within normal Toa level, or above it?)

 

In other news, I've got the Fire/Plasma thing dug up but not adapted yet... But yeah, I'll go ahead and post that one. I guess this first round is all "very understandable" ones. :P I'd like to get the Earth/Stone one up soonish too, but probably should go with something else first to spread out the elements ones. We'll see.

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- The Toa Mata/Nuva were the first Toa (anyone looking back at the beginning of Bionicle [i.e. 2001] would probably think this; of course, the Toa Metru came before the Mata, and even then there was Helryx, Lesovikk, etc.)

Point of contention: the Mata came looooong before the Metru. The Toa Mata were created even before the GSR was first launched, whereas the Metru were only ~1001 years before the reformation of Spherus Magna.
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They still weren't the first. First was Helryx. First team was Lesovikk's.

I've often wondered what that actually meant. When they say "first" does that mean first in existence, or first active team? The Mata were created, trained, and then sealed away, doing little more than prepare Karda Nui for the GSR's activation. Lesovikk's team could easily have been the first active team that went out into the world and did battle on behalf of the Matoran. Plus, there were still individuals running around doing stuff, before Toa Teams were made into a thing, presumably. Right, Bones?

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I think "first" generally refers to "first in existence," ie Helryx.

 

@Tenth Norik: I'm well aware. That's not the argument I was making.

Well, it could also mean first from the perspective of the Matoran. The Mata really did nothing that directly had to do with the overall Matoran population (sans a few interactions with a handful of Av-Matoran), whereas Lesovikk's team would probably have been known to the rest of the world, since that's where they were active.

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there were still individuals running around doing stuff, before Toa Teams were made into a thing, presumably. Right, Bones?

That's my impression, but not sure if it was actually confirmed.

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The most glaring misconception: BIONICLE is sci-fi.

I know right? I always have to explain that it is a science-fantasy work, akin to legendariums like DC, Marvel, Star Wars, and Masters of the Universe. (Sometimes Doctor Who crosses into this genre but I never mention it lest I be verbally mauled by time traveling faux-norman huscarls from Planet X)

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The most glaring misconception: BIONICLE is sci-fi.

I know right? I always have to explain that it is a science-fantasy work, akin to legendariums like DC, Marvel, Star Wars, and Masters of the Universe. (Sometimes Doctor Who crosses into this genre but I never mention it lest I be verbally mauled by time traveling faux-norman huscarls from Planet X)

 

 

I've always disliked the label of "science fantasy", since it's just an excuse to set a plotline IN SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACE and then proceed to blatantly ignore every field of science. But, then again, that describes BIONICLE pretty aptly.

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BIONICLE is fantasy set in a giant robot IN SPAAAAACE!!

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I really wish everyone would stop trying to play join the dots with Gen 1 and Gen 2 though,it seems there's a couple new threads everyday and often they're duplicates of already existing conversations! Or simply parallel them with a slightly new 'twist'! Gen 2 is NEW, it is NOT Gen 1 and it is NOT a continuation. Outside of the characters we already have I personally don't want to see ANY old characters return. I think it will cheapen the whole experience to those of us familiar with the original line...

 

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(Personally I think it should be ignored entirely. Not so much out of insane SJW label-hatred et cetera, but simply because the terms are ocmmonly defined in different ways, & generally once you get into series which have themes reminescent of things in High Fantasy, Space Opera, & a dozen things inbetween; all one really has left is to work on that) 'Science-Fiction is hard', whilst 'Fantasy is soft'. Bionicle doesn't take a universe with many similarities and then explore if Y & Z were possible, it throws a whole magical system that sits on top of & replacing lots of parts of 'physics'; ...some Fantasy takes a RW-physics & 'places a magic system on top' or work it in to various levels... 

 

Bionicle really isn't science-y, it has a lot of technological stuff, and a lot of magic; it is set in space, but its a techno-high-fantasy minus medievalism.

 

What does peoples opinions on genre really add to anything?

I don't think it is a misconception worth talking about.

 

Edit: Fantasy gets more complicated, because like Bionicle, you can have stuff set in a completely different universe; so you can have some very hard analysis's of magic et cetera. But generally; this works.

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The MNOLG is definitely canon. Or at least, 99% of it is. The only non-canon bits are a line of Vakama's final dialogue, in which he mentions that Takua found his mask and staff (it was only his staff), and Kapura's recurring flatulence. Maybe one or two other minor things.

The Maku love Huki thing was in MNOG, too. "No one must come here, especially Maku. Do not tell her I am ill, it will worry her... she must not see me like this, she must not..." :P So I'm guessing that's non-canon?

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What does peoples opinions on genre really add to anything?

I don't think it is a misconception worth talking about.

Well, the misunderstanding seems to come up a lot in a wide range of topics. Even in some of the above posts we see it, actually. Not to pick on you Yalda, but:

 

I've always disliked the label of "science fantasy", since it's just an excuse to set a plotline IN SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACE and then proceed to blatantly ignore every field of science.

It isn't meant as an "excuse" -- that presupposes a rule that all fiction has to worry about matching the science of the real world. It doesn't -- and not because science doesn't matter, but because science tells us that in different universes, the rules could be different. Also, when fantasy is set on the ground, people don't have this problem (actually most of Bionicle IS set on the ground!). But in a fantasy story, space exists... and normal physics generally exists alongside of the "magic" so people COULD make robotics, etc. The idea that the two can't mix... well, it's only emotional, not logical.

 

(And even in science fiction, there's often a rule that Bionicle uses that the "magic" is just science you don't understand. Not explaining it is not "ignoring"... or at least not for bad reasons -- just because it shouldn't need explained, in part because humans haven't always known what we know now about real physics, but stories set in a world with those physics behaviors were quite possible.)

 

Now that emotion can come from a personal taste, and that makes it okay anyways... but still, understanding why "genre fusions" like this actually make sense can help people enjoy it more easily. :) How our preferences react to things depends in some part on how we understand it. ^_^

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Nice idea, especially considering all the fans, old and new, who'll become interested in Bionicle again next year. I have a few suggestions:

 

- There is romance in Bionicle (Matau makes a few lustful comments towards Nokama in Legends of Metru Nui, and of course there's the Huki/Maku thing in that one Bohrok animation).

- Roodaka was killed in Web of Shadows (it sure looks like Vakama killed her, and even more so when Teridax grabbed her with his shadow hand [after all, this same hand killed Nidhiki, Krekka, and Nivawk])

- The Toa Mata/Nuva were the first Toa (anyone looking back at the beginning of Bionicle [i.e. 2001] would probably think this; of course, the Toa Metru came before the Mata, and even then there was Helryx, Lesovikk, etc.)

A) Yes, more evidence includes a dark hunter who became one to find his love and Samand says that there is a woman he loved who died.

B) NO! Makuta teleported her away! She had a whole Toa Haga revival and Federation of Fear thing.

C) I'm not sure what you mean..... Helryx was the first, is that what you said?

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Nice idea, especially considering all the fans, old and new, who'll become interested in Bionicle again next year. I have a few suggestions:

 

- There is romance in Bionicle (Matau makes a few lustful comments towards Nokama in Legends of Metru Nui, and of course there's the Huki/Maku thing in that one Bohrok animation).

 

A) Yes, more evidence includes a dark hunter who became one to find his love and Samand says that there is a woman he loved who died.

 

Technically, the "no romance" rule was applied to the artificial Matoran Universe. The inhabitants of Spherus Magna were primarily organic and existed much the way we do. Romance was allowed for them because of that--they're like us, and not artificial. Kiina came to love Mata Nui, but he didn't reciprocate those same feelings because he was one of those artificial creations of the Great Beings. 

 

Seriously, how do you think new Glatorian/Agori came into being? Someone had to give birth to them, which would have required a mother and a father to have interest in starting a family and act accordingly.

 

And that should be another one, Bones:

-That the inhabitants of Spherus Magna are artificial beings like the MU inhabitants. That's another one that still seems to be floating around.

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Nice idea, especially considering all the fans, old and new, who'll become interested in Bionicle again next year. I have a few suggestions:

 

- There is romance in Bionicle (Matau makes a few lustful comments towards Nokama in Legends of Metru Nui, and of course there's the Huki/Maku thing in that one Bohrok animation).

- Roodaka was killed in Web of Shadows (it sure looks like Vakama killed her, and even more so when Teridax grabbed her with his shadow hand [after all, this same hand killed Nidhiki, Krekka, and Nivawk])

- The Toa Mata/Nuva were the first Toa (anyone looking back at the beginning of Bionicle [i.e. 2001] would probably think this; of course, the Toa Metru came before the Mata, and even then there was Helryx, Lesovikk, etc.)

A) Yes, more evidence includes a dark hunter who became one to find his love and Samand says that there is a woman he loved who died.

B) NO! Makuta teleported her away! She had a whole Toa Haga revival and Federation of Fear thing.

C) I'm not sure what you mean..... Helryx was the first, is that what you said?

 

 

No, no, no, you misunderstand. The things I listed are the misconceptions - the comments in parentheses are why they're wrong.

 

A) No, there isn't romance in Bionicle - at least in the Matoran Universe. There is on Bara Magna (hence the Sahmad thing), and that Dark Hunter was looking for his best friend, not the love of his life. (By the way, ~T1S~, I never once thought that Agori/Glatorian did not love; I just wasn't thinking when I initially typed that. As you say, there is no romance in the Matoran Universe, but there is on Bara Magna, Bota Magna, Spherus Magna, etc.)

B) Again, you just misunderstood what I was saying. It's an easy misconception to have if you've never read the serials.

C) Helryx was first, followed by others, and in terms of storyline significance the Toa Mata were right near the end (even though they were created hundreds of thousands of years earlier).

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Science-fiction is, by and large, a stylistic label. A few authors tell stories based on hard science, but the vast majority simply tell fantasy-future-history stories with utilitarian aesthetics.  Star Trek and Doctor Who are prime examples of this. They are heavily invested in the science of their fictional worlds, but it isn't our science. Time-travel, faster-than-light travel, intra-dimenisonal travel, etc. are all things which may in some way be possible, but not according to our current understanding of science (Relativity puts something of a damper on the first two, I believe.) In that respect, the Three Little Pigs is far more scientifically accurate. It's simply an alternate universe in which Pigs and Wolves evolved into bipedal, sapient life-forms.

 

Don't get me wrong, I love so-called Science Fiction, but I do think that it is unnecessarily distinguished from fantasy of the Sword and Sorcery variety (which might itself still be erroneously dismissed as kinder-fare, were it not for Tolkien,  but that's a rant for another day.)

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(By the way, ~T1S~, I never once thought that Agori/Glatorian did not love; I just wasn't thinking when I initially typed that. As you say, there is no romance in the Matoran Universe, but there is on Bara Magna, Bota Magna, Spherus Magna, etc.)

 

That was actually in response to Malachives. Yours was right on the spot.

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The most glaring misconception: BIONICLE is sci-fi.

I know right? I always have to explain that it is a science-fantasy work, akin to legendariums like DC, Marvel, Star Wars, and Masters of the Universe. (Sometimes Doctor Who crosses into this genre but I never mention it lest I be verbally mauled by time traveling faux-norman huscarls from Planet X)

I've always disliked the label of "science fantasy", since it's just an excuse to set a plotline IN SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACE and then proceed to blatantly ignore every field of science. But, then again, that describes BIONICLE pretty aptly.

But when we have cyborgs running around shooting fireballs and flying and doing all sorts of physically impossible things, including violating conservation of energy at every turn, of course fields of science are ignored. I don't think people argue that works with elemental superheroes aren't fantasy, and Bionicle is that plus cyborgs. Actually, I think calling Bionicle only fantasy would be sufficient, because it follows no rules of science to speak of.

 

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Nice idea, especially considering all the fans, old and new, who'll become interested in Bionicle again next year. I have a few suggestions:

 

- There is romance in Bionicle (Matau makes a few lustful comments towards Nokama in Legends of Metru Nui, and of course there's the Huki/Maku thing in that one Bohrok animation).

 

A) Yes, more evidence includes a dark hunter who became one to find his love and Samand says that there is a woman he loved who died.

 

Technically, the "no romance" rule was applied to the artificial Matoran Universe. The inhabitants of Spherus Magna were primarily organic and existed much the way we do. Romance was allowed for them because of that--they're like us, and not artificial. Kiina came to love Mata Nui, but he didn't reciprocate those same feelings because he was one of those artificial creations of the Great Beings. 

 

Seriously, how do you think new Glatorian/Agori came into being? Someone had to give birth to them, which would have required a mother and a father to have interest in starting a family and act accordingly.

 

And that should be another one, Bones:

-That the inhabitants of Spherus Magna are artificial beings like the MU inhabitants. That's another one that still seems to be floating around.

 

 

The matoran's ability to have romance would be based on their ability to feel emotions, not their lack of reproductive functions.

 

which i guess makes the romance thing less of a misconception and more of an outright fluke?

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Nice idea, especially considering all the fans, old and new, who'll become interested in Bionicle again next year. I have a few suggestions:

 

- There is romance in Bionicle (Matau makes a few lustful comments towards Nokama in Legends of Metru Nui, and of course there's the Huki/Maku thing in that one Bohrok animation).

 

A) Yes, more evidence includes a dark hunter who became one to find his love and Samand says that there is a woman he loved who died.

 

Technically, the "no romance" rule was applied to the artificial Matoran Universe. The inhabitants of Spherus Magna were primarily organic and existed much the way we do. Romance was allowed for them because of that--they're like us, and not artificial. Kiina came to love Mata Nui, but he didn't reciprocate those same feelings because he was one of those artificial creations of the Great Beings.

 

Seriously, how do you think new Glatorian/Agori came into being? Someone had to give birth to them, which would have required a mother and a father to have interest in starting a family and act accordingly.

 

And that should be another one, Bones:

-That the inhabitants of Spherus Magna are artificial beings like the MU inhabitants. That's another one that still seems to be floating around.

The matoran's ability to have romance would be based on their ability to feel emotions, not their lack of reproductive functions.

 

which i guess makes the romance thing less of a misconception and more of an outright fluke?

The "no romance" bit is less of a fluke and more of an extremely lazy retcon that has no defensible storyline explanation without doing cartwheels to justify it. Almost entirely because, as you pointed out, Matoran canonically demonstrate every other emotion except romantic love.

 

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Nice idea, especially considering all the fans, old and new, who'll become interested in Bionicle again next year. I have a few suggestions:

 

- There is romance in Bionicle (Matau makes a few lustful comments towards Nokama in Legends of Metru Nui, and of course there's the Huki/Maku thing in that one Bohrok animation).

A) Yes, more evidence includes a dark hunter who became one to find his love and Samand says that there is a woman he loved who died.

 

Technically, the "no romance" rule was applied to the artificial Matoran Universe. The inhabitants of Spherus Magna were primarily organic and existed much the way we do. Romance was allowed for them because of that--they're like us, and not artificial. Kiina came to love Mata Nui, but he didn't reciprocate those same feelings because he was one of those artificial creations of the Great Beings.

 

Seriously, how do you think new Glatorian/Agori came into being? Someone had to give birth to them, which would have required a mother and a father to have interest in starting a family and act accordingly.

 

And that should be another one, Bones:

-That the inhabitants of Spherus Magna are artificial beings like the MU inhabitants. That's another one that still seems to be floating around.

The matoran's ability to have romance would be based on their ability to feel emotions, not their lack of reproductive functions.

 

which i guess makes the romance thing less of a misconception and more of an outright fluke?

The "no romance" bit is less of a fluke and more of an extremely lazy retcon that has no defensible storyline explanation without doing cartwheels to justify it. Almost entirely because, as you pointed out, Matoran canonically demonstrate every other emotion except romantic love.

 

~B~

 

 

true, i was giving them more credit than they deserve there, it was a flat-out intentional poor decision. u~u

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The most glaring misconception: BIONICLE is sci-fi.

 

Or another misconception: BIONICLE isn't sci-fi.

https://community.lego.com/t5/LEGO-General/Chat-with-Greg-Farshtey/m-p/11561219#M256635

 

To quote, "1) BIONICLE was a mystical story that I turned into a sci-fi story.

False. BIONICLE was always a sci-fi story - it was always about beings who were supposed to be (or were) living inside a giant robot. That was from day one. You just didn't know it at the start. And it was governed by a story team, I did not have the power to change its genre."

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