How fast can Kadin users fly?

[25K Now!]

I remember Nuparu rocketing around back in Legends #3, but how fast do Kadin users usually travel? Are they faster than when they run?

[Cambion]

Are they faster than when they run?

most likely; otherwise the differences between the Kadin and Miru would become even smaller. afraid i don't have an answer for your main question, though.

[IcarusBen]

The Kadin allows flight. The Miru allows for limited gliding. You'll need a glider and a Miru to even come close to a Kadin.

[bonesiii]

1) Presumably something like a small airplane. There would be serious practical difficulties with going much faster than that, as too much wind resistance buffeting a mask (when that mask is all that's keeping you in the air) is dangerous. Especially if you were to turn your head the wrong way. And that matters since the Kadin has to be moving, and probably just as one basic speed (maybe a small range of speeds), so as not to overlap the Miru too much. So... fast, but not suuuuuper fast.

 

2) Probably a little faster than a running pace, yeah.

Edited November 29, 2014 by bonesiii

[25K Now!]

Right, so they're decently fast then (though not to ridiculous extremes). Good to know.

[Pohatu: Uniter of Stone]

I always imagined it to allow speeds up to thirty miles per hour. If not... then I've got a few BZPRPG corrections to make.

[The Hip Historian Iaredios]

I never thought of the Miru as allowing gliding, just a simple up and down floating. Now with air powers, in Lewa's case, he could summon gusts of air to make him go forward and sustain himself in the air with his Miru. When he got his katanas, it probably became easier to glide a longer period without become a victim of G-Mod ragdoll physics (I would love to see that. )

[IcarusBen]

Yeah. The whole Kadin/Miru distinction is really small. Sometimes, I head-retcon it so that Lewa and Nuparu both have Kadins/Mirus and that they offer proper flight. Flight is what made Nuparu stand out from other Toa of Earth.

 

Well, that, and being a very literal Rubber Forehead Alien.

[Nidhiki of the Shadows]

Yeah Miru is just levitation in the strictest sense. Lewa used that along with air powers to glide.

 

Meanwhile the Kadin is actually flight. Considering it was fast enough to drag Zaktan's protodites along with it no problem, I'd say it was faster than running.

 

-NotS

[Mailli]

I'd disagree with most people here, and say as fast as you can move on ground. So basically running speed, but that would tire you out faster than walking speed.

 

I say this because fling with a kadin is very different to flying in a plane. In a plane, you require a runway to take off and land, and cannot fly vertically (without nose diving or pulling up) or sideways (without turning), but you can fly much faster than rolling along on the ground. I imagine a kadin allows you to float in any direction, as fast as you would be able to as if moving on ground.

 

You could argue that running isn't as efficient as hovering, and therefore you can fly faster for less energy than running faster, but energy is constantly being drained keeping the user afloat, cancelling it out.

[bonesiii]

You could argue that running isn't as efficient as hovering, and therefore you can fly faster for less energy than running faster, but energy is constantly being drained keeping the user afloat, cancelling it out.

While that's true, it also says nothing mathematical, so you can't get from that to "about the same speed as running" as a necessity. I think the argument is stronger that it's faster rather than slower (within reason due to the mask versus strong wind problem) to make less of an overlap with the Miru. I did say probably just a little faster than running, though.

 

Also not sure why you bring up the aerodynamic traits of actual airplane flight. Just in case you thought that was relevant to my mention of Kadin being like an airplane, it isn't -- I mean that only in the canon sense, that like an airplane you can't stop midair (as you could with a helicopter), and have to travel forward at speed.

 

NotS brings up another good mathematical point. So it may actually be closer to actual airplane speed than running. Running is at around 25 mph, while min plane speed is about 65. If you run through a cloud of steam, for example, it would gently move aside, and that's about it. If you tear through it at highway speed, then you might bring it along with you for a ways! In fact it might need to go higher than small aircraft to get those microbes over an even greater distance -- 100 mph or more... Depends IMO on how strong the magnets that hold masks on are.

[fishers64]

That was the comic scene. The books had Zaktan follow Nuparu of his own accord.