Toa Mangai of the Green's Weapon Poll

[Boidoh]

Did Greg say to make that poll?

[Regitnui]

Greg is not the be-all and end-all of canon. He's a rubber stamp at this point.

[JMSOG]

The majority of members voted against this. I vote to close yonder topic, since it just encourages discussion about what is at best a false hope and at worst is a flame breeding ground.

I'm not particularly happy about that poll for the same reason a lot of people aren't happy about the blanket canonizations recently...It should be a case-by-case basis that canonizations be turned down, not a blanket "NO MORE". If that is truly what the majority thinks, then in each weapon poll, "unknown" will be the winning result. Corresponding with the recent "Generally Accepted Fan Canonization Principles" (are we abbreviating it GAFCP?), there was space to begin anew with the weapons topics, and, instead of just throwing out "SOMETHING WOODEN" or along those lines, people could have written out well-thought-out explanations as to WHY they thought a specific tool or tool type would have been best, and we could have voted on those. The blanket "no more" silences people in favor of canonization, exactly as (unfortunatly) people who've been against canonization had been silenced up to about a week ago.

 

Greg is not the be-all and end-all of canon. He's a rubber stamp at this point.

In the end, Greg is. If Greg says something isn't canon, it isn't. We could take these polls to him, and he can flat out reject them if he chooses, and that would be okay. I would understand why he could be seen as a "rubber stamp", but keep in mind, nothing is stopping him from not using it if he thinks something is ridiculous.

 

EDIT: misread Fisher's quote...i agree this topic should be closed in favor of whatever comes next, so long as something does come next...My apologies. I do stand by what i said about the poll, though.

Edited December 15, 2014 by JMSOG

[fishers64]

But this is a case, not a blanket no more. People voted not to canonize this particular thing right here.

 

I think you know that now, but just in case...(pun not intended, but I'll roll with it anyway) 

[bonesiii]

instead of just throwing out "SOMETHING WOODEN" or along those lines, people could have written out well-thought-out explanations as to WHY they thought a specific tool or tool type would have been best

Why do people keep harping on that? I did give a reason... And as said in the topic, that is often how creative work is done; people give a partial idea and others participate by building on it. Then that could lead to a specific tool, and one suggestion did come from that, which I said I liked. (However, overall I think the entire poll is taking it too far.) I can only guess you just saw a post from somebody who had missed that and created a false rumor. Please be careful not to risk passing on false rumors like that and actually read the topic in question.

[JMSOG]

 

instead of just throwing out "SOMETHING WOODEN" or along those lines, people could have written out well-thought-out explanations as to WHY they thought a specific tool or tool type would have been best

Why do people keep harping on that? I did give a reason... And as said in the topic, that is often how creative work is done; people give a partial idea and others participate by building on it. Then that could lead to a specific tool, and one suggestion did come from that, which I said I liked. (However, overall I think the entire poll is taking it too far.) I can only guess you just saw a post from somebody who had missed that and created a false rumor. Please be careful not to risk passing on false rumors like that and actually read the topic in question.

 

My mistake, i apologize.

 

 

But this is a case, not a blanket no more. People voted not to canonize this particular thing right here.

 

I think you know that now, but just in case...(pun not intended, but I'll roll with it anyway)

...I was not clear with what i meant, sorry about that...I meant a blanket "no more" on the toa tools in general. They could be handled differently. For example: people may wish specifically for the toa of earth to retain an air of mystery, due to the scene where teridax finds his kakama. While on the other hand, perhaps someone could come up with a tool description for the toa of stone which provides some interesting character insight, just as Lhikan's swords/shield (can't remember name) do for him. Blanketly saying that canonization should not happen stifles that possibility.

[Regitnui]

So should we say that unless someone comes up with a suggestion that grabs the imagination, weapons and Toa Tools remain undefined.

[JMSOG]

So should we say that unless someone comes up with a suggestion that grabs the imagination, weapons and Toa Tools remain undefined.

Seems fair enough. Such a suggestion should have an official spot to be made, though.

[Jam Pot Studios]

Vine Gloves. Maybe they can unravel and move about, like Medusa's telekinetic hair in Inhumans.

[Bold Clone]

How about a "Thorn Whip"? It would basically be a brown whip with barbs on it. The barbs would be sculpted to look like thorns, and maybe even deliver some sort of paralyzing poison upon contact.

[abstractAgamid]

 

Frankly, this topic marks the "Canonize all the things!" movement reaching new heights of absurdity. We have a Toa who never appeared and never will, brought into existence for some inexplicable reason, and now somehow it matters what their weapon could be? And the suggestions are in the same vein as "something wooden?"

Have you ever participated in cooperative creation of fiction like this, Ballom? This is the sort of thing that is often done. One person can suggest a part of an idea, and others can expand on it, etc. Lots of the things you have probably liked about stories were made this way, you just didn't see the process at work. LEGO-only things, especially most of the oft-beloved content of 2001, was usually produced this way among the early story team, for example. If you're closed to that, then okay, but must you flame it? Must you ignore points already raised as to why it could matter? (And BTW, must you offer no appreciation for the same person you're mocking in the last sentence here also being the one who extended an olive branch to your way of thinking? Why not instead of mocking, agree with that part and make the same basic point in a constructive way?)  And might I humbly add a liiiittle reminder that we do have rules about flame and trolling? I hope it was not your intent and you're just afraid your perspective is being drowned out and don't know what else to resort to. I don't personally mind it but we do have these rules and for good reason, and things always work better if we all respect them.  

Bionicle is returning. Let's focus on that instead of shoving even more details down the throat of the first generation's dead body. And remember that BZP has forums for fan fiction, which need more activity anyway!

As said before: 1) Why does somebody (or multiple people) providing details have to be "shoving down the throat"? And 2) Continuing to refine Gen1's worldbuilding in a few small ways is not mutually exclusive with Gen2! We can do both!

This process is less like polishing and more like putting stickers onto any smooth surfaces they can find.

 

 

Also, I'm pretty sure it isn't a very good example of brainstorming. The 2001 story team was creating something entirely new. This is defining something entirely irrelevant.

[bonesiii]

This process is less like polishing and more like putting stickers onto any smooth surfaces they can find.

I don't recall using the analogy of polishing, and reviewing the quote, I don't see it? But both similes here could be chosen validly by people with different preferences. Neither really answers anything.

 

Also, I'm pretty sure it isn't a very good example of brainstorming. The 2001 story team was creating something entirely new. This is defining something entirely irrelevant.

There we go with "entirely" again. Although in the case of the Bo-Toa's weapon, it's pretty darn close. But if canon art was to be done, as it was for Nikila for example, it would be defined, and if canon stories were told of him consistent with main spotlight stories, it would be established. And if official sets were made. So it only counts as irrelevant (close to it) because all three such things are extremely unlikely for him. So, I'd say your argument about "not a good example" and "not something entirely new" doesn't work. (And they're unnecessary to decide that it doesn't need established; it being too close to irrelevant is sufficient methinks.)

[Doctor Makuta]

Why don't we establish what the type of the weapon actually is, then put specifics; thorns, certain hilt, etc. On it after its been decided?

[Jam Pot Studios]

Has this gone anywhere? Will an actual poll be set up soon?

[ALVIS]

The community voted in this poll that we should not determine the weapons of the Toa Mangai -- which would include this Toa's weapon. In light of the community's wishes, this topic should be discontinued and disregarded.

[Jam Pot Studios]

The community voted in this poll that we should not determine the weapons of the Toa Mangai -- which would include this Toa's weapon. In light of the community's wishes, this topic should be discontinued and disregarded.

 

That's a real shame for those of us who do want to know, but that's democracy.