Reasons why this reboot may have connections to the old story

[McNugget]

 Sure, there is the original 6 toa... but perhaps thats not the only connection

 

Perhaps Teridax has given them the same punishment as Mata Nui, sent them off into space with their mind and spirit intact, inside their mask, and they landed on okoto, but some of their nuva energy drained, so no longer are they nuva, but once in between Nuva and mata, thats why their forms are different, and so they crash from the sky on okoto.

 

That is the connection, at least in my mind, i made that connection.

[Boidoh]

Evidence?

 

Either way, Teridax is dead.

[McNugget]

Nope, He apeared in the stars, for his mind slipped in to Mata nui's body right as Mata nui was being awakened, so teridax was revived, and currently rules the universe

[Cambion]

Nope, He apeared in the stars, for his mind slipped in to Mata nui's body right as Mata nui was being awakened, so teridax was revived, and currently rules the universe

that was in the 2008 story. Mata Nui killed Teridax in the 2010 story. he's officially, canonically dead.

 

(also please stop trying to tie G2 into G1 with flimsy theories, it's a hard reboot for a reason)

[T.B.O.C]

Well, another problem with that theory is if the travel or Teridax drains their Nuva power (if that's even possible), what happens to Tahu, who is not currently a Toa Nuva? What of their adaptive armor, which surely would have changed for Okoto? Then there's the problem of their masks not even being the same, with the Okoto masks being of their elements rather than a secondary power.

 

And of course, Teridax is dead, so that essentially limits the theory, unless some other powerful entity would do that, although I can't fathom who would.

 

As alright as the idea is, I believe it has too many holes and isn't quite strong enough to be an actual connection. Then there's also debate on whether or not G2 and G1 would ever be connected as G2 is a hard reboot to out knowledge so far. Either way, I think even with all the Vahi imagery that it doesn't necessarily mean a connection between the two storylines as much as how easy it would be for a Vahi to just exist in this universe.

 

Either way, it'd be much easier to use elements from the original BIONICLE in the new storyline without a connection to the previous. You avoid the complexity it adds to the storyline, and it comes out as small nods to the older or more knowledgeable BIONICLE fans. Linking the two universes isn't necessary.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Nope, He apeared in the stars, for his mind slipped in to Mata nui's body right as Mata nui was being awakened, so teridax was revived, and currently rules the universe

 

Wow. Was the last time you read a Bionicle comic in 2008?

[Nidhiki of the Shadows]

To be fair though, it does look like there could be elements crossing over directly from the old continuity. I don't blame people for making these theories, especially after what those new animations showed.

 

-NotS

[Boidoh]

To me, I just think this theory is flimsy. It didn't even use the Vahi images as evidence. Everything is just speculative.

[Xabla]

This is a long shot, and I don't support this theory, but what about Gold Skinned Being?

[Nidhiki of the Shadows]

To me, I just think this theory is flimsy. It didn't even use the Vahi images as evidence. Everything is just speculative.

I agree this theory in particular is not only flimsy but also ill-informed (looks like OP didn't follow the Bara Magna series?) but I am definitely starting to get the feeling this "reboot" is not as all-encompassing as we are led to believe.

 

Though, if it does end up connecting to the old line, the chances of it referring to unfinished serials are still extremely slim.

 

-NotS

[Rooster Nui]

I think that there will be some type of connection to the original series because of the amount of times the Kanohi Vahi appears as a carving or formation of lava in the animations. I also think they're is some type of connection because of the hintings and focus on time. There is no doubt that these easter eggs have more of a primary purpose than just appearing as little easter eggs for fans of the original series to spot. 

 

Whether there turns out to be a mysterious connection to the original storyline or not, I can't wait to find out more storyline information in the next few years in this "new universe".

[Mr. Cup of Fail]

I hugely disagree to this connection because the biggest problem is that, wait for it....                  Teridax is dead

Plus the gen2 have a character Named Makuta.

[Jayk]

 

Nope, He apeared in the stars, for his mind slipped in to Mata nui's body right as Mata nui was being awakened, so teridax was revived, and currently rules the universe

 

Wow. Was the last time you read a Bionicle comic in 2008?

 

 

[Mr. Cup of Fail]

I have a feeling that Someone needs a Cup of Fail

[Munty]

Really? Another one of THOSE topics? Terrible... OP clearly didn't pay attention to the end of gen 1 and is now misreading the beginning of gen 2 as well!

 

I seriously doubt there will be ANY connection to gen 1 and really hope I'm right as it would open a whole can of worms that can never again be closed! Sure we'll see some familiar characters like the Masters and items like the Vahi but that's because they're iconic. NOT because there's some deep connection to gen 1...

[Iben]

TBH, I guess is that we'll never really get to know what the connection with the old story is, aside from the fact that the current Toa are actually the old ones transported through time. ( Of course, that's my guess atm ). I believe that it will probably never be the main focus of the story, and that's a good thing. I like that it retains to the small tidbits we're getting, these small references that allow us older fans to still see this as a continuation, but for new kids it's a complete new story.

 

I wouldn't really say that the Vahi is there because it's "iconic". TBH, if any mask was truly iconic to Bionicle than it was the Ignika, and perhaps the Hau. I wouldn't really consider the Vahi to be such a iconic feature that it would be brought in without any further reason. The Vahi never got that much attention as the Ignika did, I wouldn't say it's an obscure mask, but it never was  as important and iconic as the Ignika or the Hau. Besides, the Vahi gets referenced over and over again, it's kinda hard to ignore it and dismiss it as "just an easter-egg"

 

-Iben

[Pohatu: Uniter of Stone]

Well, I think we'll just get easter eggs like the Vahi.

[fishers64]

You guys need to stop picking on this guy. It's entirely possible that the Toa Nuva were sent to Okoto by Teridax, they flew through space, forgot everything (Teridax memwiped them), did all the stuff on Okoto, had their memory restored by something else, and got back to the Giant Robot in time to nearly get crushed by a pile of iron. 

 

Possible, but not likely.

 

Although why they would put the Vahi in all of the episodes is kinda silly. Although, remember the last time we met Makuta, he wanted a Mask of Time. This Makuta may be no different - and now he may have the faculties to build one himself. No need to hire a cross-wired freak this time. 

[Toa Green Ninja]

How can someone still be here and not have followed the end of the original story...

[Jayk]

Hey, it could happen.  Fishers is right, we shouldn't pick on him...

[Iben]

 

Although why they would put the Vahi in all of the episodes is kinda silly. Although, remember the last time we met Makuta, he wanted a Mask of Time. This Makuta may be no different - and now he may have the faculties to build one himself. No need to hire a cross-wired freak this time. 

 

That, and the fact that the Vahi :

• Consisted of 6 "elements"/disks brought together.
• Was very hard to control, even Makuta wouldn't have been able to control its full power.

It kinda feels as if there are some similarities with the new MoUP.

 

-Iben

Edited December 18, 2014 by Iben

[Regitnui]

My sig quote summarizes my feelings here.

 

I am interested to see where they're going with this Vahi hunt. It seems plausible that the MoUP is the Vahi's equivalent in Gen2.

[Mr. Cup of Fail]

I disagree that the MoUP is the Vahi, do to that it said that a Mask could never contain the power of more then one element, and time is one element.

[Regitnui]

Time is a Legendary Element, more powerful than a normal one. Crack a Garai and you get a mask that doesn't work. Crack the Vahi and you get dinosaurs popping out of time rifts.

[Mr. Cup of Fail]

And crack the the Ignika and you'll get...          wait what happen when you crack the Ignika?

[Iben]

And crack the the Ignika and you'll get...          wait what happen when you crack the Ignika?

 

You get Gadunka for one The Ignika crumbled and corroded in the Pit and started to leak out energy, which caused Gadunka to transform.

 

-Iben

Edited December 18, 2014 by Iben

[Munty]

Really? The Vahi was the FIRST MASK EVER. Doesn't that make it kind of iconic? Perhaps it will have no story significance and is imply a throwback to tbe very beginning. The mask is the first thing created for Bionicle, featuring it as an easter egg may just be a way of paying homage to the genesis of the franchise! The Masters are a return to the original heroes after all, the ones who started it all...

 

One thing that would be in favour of the Vahi not playing a big story role (setwise at least) is that I have difficulty imagining how the half mask design would attach to the new heads...

 

TLDR - Vahi was the first ever kanohi. Doesn't get much more iconic than that...

[ALVIS]

Um... I hate to burst your bubble, but the Vahi was not the first Kanohi by any stretch of the imagination. It was forged by Vakama after the Great Cataclysm -- 99,000 years after Karzahni and Artakha battled over the Mask of Creation. We don't know which Kanohi was technically forged first (it could have just been an innocuous Hau), but it certainly wasn't the Vahi.

[Boidoh]

First Kanohi made by LEGO I think he means.

[ALVIS]

First Kanohi made by LEGO I think he means.

 

It was certainly one of the earlier ones (it was going to be packaged with The Legend of Mata Nui, IIRC), but I don't know if it was the first one. Probably the first Kanohi was the Hau, or another Toa Mata mask. I suppose we can't know for sure.

 

Regardless, I realize that I'm not contributing anything to this topic by being pedantic about what was and wasn't the first Kanohi, so I'm going to stop this train of thought right here.

[Boidoh]

The Kanohi Vahi was the first mask ever designed by The LEGO Group. 

[Munty]

Um... I hate to burst your bubble, but the Vahi was not the first Kanohi by any stretch of the imagination. It was forged by Vakama after the Great Cataclysm -- 99,000 years after Karzahni and Artakha battled over the Mask of Creation. We don't know which Kanohi was technically forged first (it could have just been an innocuous Hau), but it certainly wasn't the Vahi.

Yes it was. It... It just was...

[fishers64]

I wonder how that huge part fly over someone head, like a obvious joke in a commercial that some random person (most likely a feminist) take it so seriously

What?

 

 

That, and the fact that the Vahi :

• Was very hard to control, even Makuta wouldn't have been able to control its full power.

Do we actually know this? I thought Makuta could use the mask. 

 

Time is a Legendary Element, more powerful than a normal one. Crack a Garai and you get a mask that doesn't work. Crack the Vahi and you get dinosaurs popping out of time rifts.

No, you get schizo time happening in a localized area. Everything happening too fast or too slow. Break it, and time is destroyed. 

 

However, it is technically possible that the Vahi could create a time rift, big enough for, say, an island. This rift could have sucked away some Agori from Bara Magna (or some other species we don't know about), memwiped them, and put them on the island. Then later the rift, in response to the Temple of Time, pulled in the Toa Mata.

 

But that seems like a patch to me still. Also, we don't know when the Toa Mata were pulled in - could have been during the 100,000 years of Mata Nui's travels, on Spherus Magna, or even in the middle of the main story somewhere.  It's too ambiguous and not really a good theory. 

 

I'd think that they would be referring to the first mask they made, the beginning, etc, if not for the Temple of Time. That says that there is a connection going on, even if it's only symbolic.

[Iben]

Really? The Vahi was the FIRST MASK EVER. Doesn't that make it kind of iconic? Perhaps it will have no story significance and is imply a throwback to tbe very beginning. The mask is the first thing created for Bionicle, featuring it as an easter egg may just be a way of paying homage to the genesis of the franchise! The Masters are a return to the original heroes after all, the ones who started it all...

 

One thing that would be in favour of the Vahi not playing a big story role (setwise at least) is that I have difficulty imagining how the half mask design would attach to the new heads...

 

TLDR - Vahi was the first ever kanohi. Doesn't get much more iconic than that...

 

Wow dude, easy My post wasn't meant to agitate you. Like I said, chances are that the connection won't be deep at all, but only there for the older fans. I wouldn't be surprised if ignoring it wouldn't change a thing in your experience of the new story. Besides, the hidden Vahis aren't the only thing. We have the Temple of Time, we have the line " evoke the power of past and future", the Toa are called timeless heroes. There are an awful lot of references to Time, so it's a bit hard to say that it's all just easter-egg material.

 

IMO, I don't consider the Vahi to be that iconic to Bionicle, simply because there are other elements that are way more iconic . Depending on when you joined Bionicle, you can arguably say that either the Hau or the Ignika are the most iconic masks Bionicle has. If you were there from the beginning, the Hau would be the most iconic mask. If I'd show the Hau to a few guys from my age, I'm pretty sure they would be able to say that it's something from Bionicle or at least Lego. Do the same thing with the generation of my brothers, and they'll say that the Ignika is the most iconic mask, simply because they joined in from 2006, and from then on the Ignika was the most important mask, appearing in countless storylines ( to a point where I got annoyed by the Deus Ex Ignika).

 

The Hau and the Ignika appeared in the story and countless other media much more often than the Vahi did, and they're more imprinted in the collective memory than the Vahi. That's what I consider to be iconic. It's even an obscure fact to most Bionicle fans that the Vahi indeed was the first mask ever made, so tbh, I wouldn't really use that as an argument to say that "it doesn't get more iconic than that", because well, we have two Kanohi that are way more iconic to Bionicle than the Vahi.

 

 

TLDR : The hinted connection will probably be vague and won't bother you. The Vahi in my opinion will never be as iconic as the Hau or the Ignika, simply due it not occurring in the story and other media as often as the others.

 

 

 

 

 

That, and the fact that the Vahi :

• Was very hard to control, even Makuta wouldn't have been able to control its full power.

Do we actually know this? I thought Makuta could use the mask. 

 

"The Kanohi Vahi is one of the three most powerful Kanohi in the Matoran Universe, as it's incredibly difficult to fully control,even for a Makuta."

 

^According to Biosector01. So yeah, Makuta could have used it, but he probably would never have been able to control it completely.

 

-Iben

[LegoSWfan]

I like to think the new story is somehow set in the future. Like a beast wars/G1 connection.

[MrSciFiGuy]

Obviously Ekimu is the Gold Skinned being and this new storyline is the product of his power of making dreams reality, and the Toa were reminiscing of their days on Mata Nui and BAM, new story.

 

Sarcasm aside, I don't care if they tie G1 to G2. I am more than happy with it being a parallel universe. Though if the two are connected, I hope they dont retcon anything or have the original Teridax the new Makuta of Okoto.

[Regitnui]

Time is a Legendary Element, more powerful than a normal one. Crack a Garai and you get a mask that doesn't work. Crack the Vahi and you get dinosaurs popping out of time rifts.

No, you get schizo time happening in a localized area. Everything happening too fast or too slow. Break it, and time is destroyed. 

 

However, it is technically possible that the Vahi could create a time rift, big enough for, say, an island. This rift could have sucked away some Agori from Bara Magna (or some other species we don't know about), memwiped them, and put them on the island. Then later the rift, in response to the Temple of Time, pulled in the Toa Mata.

 

But that seems like a patch to me still. Also, we don't know when the Toa Mata were pulled in - could have been during the 100,000 years of Mata Nui's travels, on Spherus Magna, or even in the middle of the main story somewhere.  It's too ambiguous and not really a good theory. 

 

I'd think that they would be referring to the first mask they made, the beginning, etc, if not for the Temple of Time. That says that there is a connection going on, even if it's only symbolic.

 

Give me a break. It was an example, not hardline canon. And I certainly didn't mean to imply there was a link between Gen1 and Gen2. I said that the MoUP might be the Vahi's Gen2 Equivalent, like Tahu Okoto is Tahu Mata's Gen2 equivalent, or Ekimu is our Great Spirit equivalent.

[LegoSWfan]

I though Ekimu was g2 Artaka?

[Mr. Cup of Fail]

If they wanted to have a G2 Artaka, they would had made a G2 Artaka without give him a new name.

[LegoSWfan]

Well they gave Mata Nui a new name (Otoko).