Why there's no air Bohrok ?

[Archius]

This always bugged me.

[Zidonaro]

Because in the Bohrok's case, Acid is way more destructive I believe.

[Regitnui]

Because acid (Lehvak's ability) is much better for island demolition than gusts of wind.

 

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Edited December 28, 2014 by Regitnui

[Mjolnitor]

Because story team didn't realise that you can have more agressive kind of wind.

More toxic kind.

[Chro]

A cyclone could be as destructive as acid, but it probably would be less efficient.

[Regitnui]

A cyclone could be as destructive as acid, but it probably would be less efficient.

That's what it boils down to. Acid will dissolve anything, Cyclone will just make more of a mess, and polluted wind is too gradual.

[Sybre]

 

A cyclone could be as destructive as acid, but it probably would be less efficient.

That's what it boils down to. Acid will dissolve anything, Cyclone will just make more of a mess, and polluted wind is too gradual.

And the Bohrok were "cleaners". A mess would defeat their purpose.

[Katuko]

I've jokingly referred to Lehvak-Kal as the swarm's vacuum cleaner before. I imagine the Lehvak swarm, if given the actual air element, would be glorified leaf blowers.

[Ikaika]

They made up for that fact when they released Lehvak-Kal. Vacuum is a form of air elemental power, according to BS01.

[Toa Chuck]

Actually, what about Kohrok? How is ice destructive?

[Regitnui]

Freezing lava, killing plants, and turning errant animals into blood slushies with a solid headbutt spring to mind

[Katuko]

The Kohrak have buzzsaw shields, which can be rather destructive. I'm sure it's nice to have a breed which can contain threats without killing them as well.

[bonesiii]

Actually, what about Kohrok? How is ice destructive?

Ice is one of the most common natural destructive forces on rock and things like that (in our world, pavement), so it would be great to help break up the bedrock of the camouflage island (the main purpose of the Bohrok, though clearing tree roots and loosening soil would probably also be important).

[MrSciFiGuy]

I just read something the other day about this exact issue. It was the creators talking about the iterations of the elements again, but deciding against wind, seeing that though wind could be a destructive elemental force, they wanted to try something else, and acid was chosen.

[IcarusBen]

I like headcanoning it to be that Lehvak is the Air (Vacuum) Bohrok, and the -Kal version has acid. Makes things make more sense.

[Regitnui]

I like headcanoning it to be that Lehvak is the Air (Vacuum) Bohrok, and the -Kal version has acid. Makes things make more sense.

Then what was Lehvak-Kal's power overload? Dissolving in his own juices?

[fishers64]

 

I like headcanoning it to be that Lehvak is the Air (Vacuum) Bohrok, and the -Kal version has acid. Makes things make more sense.

Then what was Lehvak-Kal's power overload? Dissolving in his own juices?

 

I'm pretty sure he got the two confused: Lehvak have the power of Acid, while Lehvak-Kal had the power of Vacuum (and was launched into space as a result of that power in the final confrontation).  

[Regitnui]

 

 

 

I like headcanoning it to be that Lehvak is the Air (Vacuum) Bohrok, and the -Kal version has acid. Makes things make more sense.

Then what was Lehvak-Kal's power overload? Dissolving in his own juices?

I'm pretty sure he got the two confused: Lehvak have the power of Acid, while Lehvak-Kal had the power of Vacuum (and was launched into space as a result of that power in the final confrontation).

No, he headcanons them the other way around. You're right when it comes to canon, but that's his canon.

[IcarusBen]

 

 

 

I like headcanoning it to be that Lehvak is the Air (Vacuum) Bohrok, and the -Kal version has acid. Makes things make more sense.

Then what was Lehvak-Kal's power overload? Dissolving in his own juices?

I'm pretty sure he got the two confused: Lehvak have the power of Acid, while Lehvak-Kal had the power of Vacuum (and was launched into space as a result of that power in the final confrontation).

No, he headcanons them the other way around. You're right when it comes to canon, but that's his canon.

 

Yeah, sometimes, something minor in canon angers me so. The way I solve the power overload thing was that it was the one with gravity powers (Nuhvok, if I'm not mistaken) is the one that got shot into space, whereas Lehvak sorta, melted.

 

"I AM MELTING. SACRE BLEU, I AM MELTING. WHAT A WORLD. WHAT A WORLD."

[bonesiii]

Yeah, Lehvak-Kal melting wouldn't have much impact on the story from that point. The fact that he survived in space influenced no other events. However, Vacuum played a big-ish role when he used it to render the whole team of Nuva unconscious earlier. Acid wouldn't work there, so the other Kal would have to handle that somehow. Which they probably could... so... not much issue there.

 

But then you're back to the original problem Air Bohrok posed for cleaning an island -- they're not that useful for it. Acid makes way more sense for that IMO. You can have 'em anyways (it was a theme one of my fanfics did play with when Lewa got Krana'd ), but are you sure your way really makes more sense? Why cannot the GBs have had the standard elements in mind, but made an exception when they realized Air wouldn't work as well? Why would they value just sticking to the norm over this? I don't see it.

[Lewa0111 Nuva]

That never bothered me as much as the reverse--why did the OTHER Bohrok keep their elements? I thought having different elements was really cool back in '02 and giving the other Bohrok non-standard elements would have been cool. Why not sonic Bohrok? Or lightning Bohrok?

 

(Lehvak-Kal's power was another bit of Bohrok-related weirdness...)

 

Lewa0111 Nuva

[Regitnui]

The bohrok are cleaners. Their powers are destructive, cleansing. All of the standard elements (except air) can be very destructive if wielded in the right (wrong) way. Air, not so much.

[bonesiii]

And the Great Beings made five of those powers among the six most common Toa elements, so they must have seen them as highly useful/versatile. So it makes sense they'd use them in Bohrok too. The other elements are generally specialist powers (so it makes sense again for the Kal to be the ones with five of those).

[Tuuli]

'Cause they really like acid.

[IcarusBen]

Personally, I believe air can be a cleansing element. Just blow everything out into the ocean. The only thing the Bohrok needed to clean was the island. The rest of the planet be... uh... totally-not-swear-worded.

 

AHA! Still G-rated. Booyah.

[bonesiii]

Personally, I believe air can be a cleansing element. Just blow everything out into the ocean.

Water already handles that, and better (less force needed, so less energy spent).

[Sergei Rahkmaninoff]

Cyclones/tornados can be pretty destructive. Imagine a bunch of hypothetical Air Lehvak teaming up to summon a massive tornado in Le-Wahi. Huge swaths of forest would be ripped from the ground entirely.

 

Although that and Ga-Wahi are the only regions I can think of where that would be effective, whereas Acid makes sense everywhere.

[IcarusBen]

Ice would only be good in areas with lots of stone, Fire is worthless in Po, Ga and Onu-Wahi.

[bonesiii]

Ice would only be good in areas with lots of stone, Fire is worthless in Po, Ga and Onu-Wahi.

Best to avoid universal negatives (at least, unless you do a careful, thorough analysis ). They tend to fall apart rather easily.

 

Ice for example could also help split up compacted earth. And... yanno, everywhere has both earth and bedrock under it on the island.

 

Fire can melt rock too (like cutting it into pieces). Tahnok were famously shown in Po-Wahi, so obviously the Bahrag must disagree with you.

 

And cannot fire burn down the trees in Ga-Wahi?

 

And Onu had a lot of caves going down to bedrock to make cutting it up via heat easier, but I do doubt Tahnok were likely assigned there.

[Regitnui]

Ice would only be good in areas with lots of stone, Fire is worthless in Po, Ga and Onu-Wahi.

Well, since there were Tahnok in Po-Wahi, let's look at what they were probably doing; Melting stone and glassing sand. How could this help clean up the island? Well, molten stone flows; it would pretty effectively bring down mountains and fill in valleys. As for the glass, it's very quickly broken up by Nuhvok jackhammers, the washed away by Gahlok. They want to turn the island into a barren, featureless rock, and I can think of few better ways to 'clean' a desert.

[Phovos]

Maybe there ARE Bohrok of air. Just on a different island. With their own acid-based Kal to protect them.

[Lewa0111 Nuva]

I guess the weirdest part of the Bohrok element mismash comes from an out-of-universe (or Great Being in-universe) perspective. Why when designing the 2002 villains, make all of them EXCEPT ONE with identical elements to the Toa? And same for the Kal, why make all of them EXCEPT ONE with unique powers (and have that one be the same color as the one different element from the regular Bohrok?) Even as a 12-year-old kid in '02, this bothered me...

 

Lewa0111 Nuva

[bonesiii]

I guess the weirdest part of the Bohrok element mismash comes from an out-of-universe (or Great Being in-universe) perspective. Why when designing the 2002 villains, make all of them EXCEPT ONE with identical elements to the Toa? And same for the Kal, why make all of them EXCEPT ONE with unique powers (and have that one be the same color as the one different element from the regular Bohrok?) Even as a 12-year-old kid in '02, this bothered me...

 

Lewa0111 Nuva

Again, Air just wouldn't be as effective; we've been over that. They probably realized this late in the planning process and didn't have time (due to the Shattering coming soon) to rethink the other five, and there would really be no reason to pick others for those five, just because they wouldn't have a match to the main six Toa elements (why would they care? They're making an effective island-cleaning team, not symbols of Toa or something).

 

As for the Kal, the original canon plans were for those to just be six various powers. Later the five were made into Toa Elements to make them more consistent with the original Bohrok, and since those five powers did fit the definition of elements in Bionicle. Now we don't know if the Great Beings had anything to do with picking those powers; they were made with a mutagen, so probably the mutagen ended up with the same basic pattern because elements were being mutated for five, and a non-element was being mutated for green.