Kanohi speculation and theorys

[Toa Komali]

Hey all,

As I've been going through the BIONICLE lore and working on making designs for my upcoming collab I've come upon a few things that I'm not sure on. Mainly the nature of Kanohi. From what I've gathered they seem to energized to set their protodermis in a program code almost at a point where the masks are near mystic level. (Yes I know it's not magic but technology)

  

My first question is do you think there maybe energy cells like maybe a lightstone variation containing the essence that sets the code power?

 

Also I ran across this prototype mask http://bionicle.wikia.com/wiki/File:Prototype_Jaller_Inika_1.png and plan to incorporate it in my collab but I do wonder most great Kanohi are a single color so should I rework the mouth gaurd to fit that theme or should I use it as is?

 

Also I'm not 100% if this is the right place to start this kind of topic but it seemed to be the best one

Edited December 30, 2014 by Toa Komali

[bonesiii]

I'm not sure I understand what you're asking. But I'll hazard a guess at an answer.

 

Seems like you're asking what contains the coding for the mask powers. The answer seems to be simply the protodermis itself; that it's just a function of protodermis. Not sure if that really helps, though. I don't think there's anything like lightstones in them, no.

 

The technology seems to be molecular. Greg once confirmed protodermis particles are molecules. Later he said he didn't know if they were; so that might be forgetconned, but since he's also said to go with his previous answers, it still might be canon. (Unfortunately as the quote was in a post, it seems it's been lost to the archives, so we have only the memory of older BZP members like myself to go on for this one, so I'd call it uncertain.) I bring it up because I have some detailed ideas about how the powers programming could work, to be explained in a theory I've drafted but haven't posted yet, but also portrayed in several chapters of my retelling.

 

As for your second question, you could always make two versions if you're undecided which you like best.

[Toa Komali]

I'm not sure I understand what you're asking. But I'll hazard a guess at an answer.

 

Seems like you're asking what contains the coding for the mask powers. The answer seems to be simply the protodermis itself; that it's just a function of protodermis. Not sure if that really helps, though. I don't think there's anything like lightstones in them, no.

 

The technology seems to be molecular. Greg once confirmed protodermis particles are molecules. Later he said he didn't know if they were; so that might be forgetconned, but since he's also said to go with his previous answers, it still might be canon. (Unfortunately as the quote was in a post, it seems it's been lost to the archives, so we have only the memory of older BZP members like myself to go on for this one, so I'd call it uncertain.) I bring it up because I have some detailed ideas about how the powers programming could work, to be explained in a theory I've drafted but haven't posted yet, but also portrayed in several chapters of my retelling.

 

As for your second question, you could always make two versions if you're undecided which you like best.

 

 

Ah forgive me. I was writing that question while on my Wii U. I'm not used to it yet as a message system. XD

Anyway let me try again see if it comes out clearly this time

 

In the series we know Protodermis is a type of matter. It can take on many forms such as water like liquid, lava like molten solid metallic and even a variation of steel. After it is forged into a Kanohi, Kanoka, Tool, Ect how is its molecular structure set for a given power?

 

My theory is that during the forgeing process some sort of catalyst is added to the mix so when it cools is sets with that said power. And as protodermis is highly reactive to energy it would make sense that it's set with some unshown source.

 

Mostly I'm seeing if this idea is too far fetched.

 

Also where should a great Kanohi's power capability (kind of power) be limited? After all we have the Mohtrek and it nearly breaks one of Greg's major rules. With it having a effective time travel with memory loss. What I'm getting at is at what point is it a great power before crossing the threshold of legendary?

Edited December 30, 2014 by Toa Komali

[Regitnui]

First off, use BS01, not the wikia.

 

Secondly, that 'prototype' looks like more if a knockoff.

 

Thirdly, colour depends on what you think would work better. Jaller Mahri had a two-tone mask, as did the Metruan and Turaga Dume. Really, it wouldn't matter much, as colour is one of the few things we know to be entirely cosmetic when it comes to Kanohi.

[Toa Komali]

First off, use BS01, not the wikia.

 

Secondly, that 'prototype' looks like more if a knockoff.

 

Thirdly, colour depends on what you think would work better. Jaller Mahri had a two-tone mask, as did the Metruan and Turaga Dume. Really, it wouldn't matter much, as colour is one of the few things we know to be entirely cosmetic when it comes to Kanohi.

 

I use both for info but I take BS01 as the deciding one.

 

Even if that is so I still like the mask.

 

True. I'm just thinking in a way for my writing as its gonna have elements based off the movies. You know with the Kanohi shifting its form slightly to suit the one wearing it. I think I'll go with multi color for it.

[IcarusBen]

First off, use BS01, not the wikia.

This. This right here. Remember Dom (I think it was Dom) from awhile back? 

[Toa Komali]

 

First off, use BS01, not the wikia.

This. This right here. Remember Dom (I think it was Dom) from awhile back? 

 

Um did I do something wrong?

[IcarusBen]

You used the wikia for info. It's a common rule of thumb that the wikia pretty much worthless. Just stick to BZ01.

 

Admittedly, that prototype is also on Brickipedia, and they have a much higher standard of quality.

[Toa Komali]

You used the wikia for info. It's a common rule of thumb that the wikia pretty much worthless. Just stick to BZ01.

 

Admittedly, that prototype is also on Brickipedia, and they have a much higher standard of quality.

Ah I see. Well I only use the wikia for ideas. BZ01 does have better info and correct me if I'm wrong but it is technically part of the forums here. Or am I thinking of something else?

 

So Brickipedia and BZ01 are the go to for any references I put in my post?

 

Anyway lets see if I can get us back on topic. 

 

I'm trying to keep my Kanohi close to the ones in G1 as I can. With that said I wanted to see what is the stop gap for powers? At what point is a mask power to powerful for a Great/Noble power and more a legendary or too strange to work at all?

 

I think it be hard to pass a point of too farfetched seeing my above example was the Mohtrek and it nearly breaks a well known rule in the series. What with it's power to effectively be a form of time travel. Anyone got a opinion/theory/Thoughts? 

[IcarusBen]

Brickipedia is only for set info, BS01 is for story and set info.

[bonesiii]

TK, I think it would be more productive to hear specific examples of what you're wondering about. The only easy answer to an open-ended question like that is "look at the existing canon limitations and weaknesses to get an idea of it." But you probably already know that, so if that didn't help, I'm not sure what generalities we could offer that would.

[Toa Komali]

Brickipedia is only for set info, BS01 is for story and set info.

Understood.

 

TK, I think it would be more productive to hear specific examples of what you're wondering about. The only easy answer to an open-ended question like that is "look at the existing canon limitations and weaknesses to get an idea of it." But you probably already know that, so if that didn't help, I'm not sure what generalities we could offer that would.

Hmm yes it would be wise to actually have a reference to go off. 

 

Ok then lets see if this helps.

Name: Kanohi Sakon

AKA: The mask of Animation

Power: Allows the user to create constructs from nearby drawings, sculptures, and or carvings. The mask is not giving life to the constructs mearly allowing them movement and in the case of the drawings form. Drawn/Carved things will be made from the material that they were on prior to animation. The user is in control of the constructs movment. More concentration is needed for more constructs and if the user is knocked out the constructs will become inert staying in the last pose they had. Noble form only allows for statues and sculptures to be animated.

 

Funny enough thins mask gives me Green Lantern vibes. Honestly wasn't thinking of them at all. 

Edited December 31, 2014 by Toa Komali

[bonesiii]

That's... kinda awesome... And it would be cool if you'd submit it to the EM. (Come to think of it, that side of this discussion might work better in the EM discussion topic... if you're okay with submitting powers for anyone to use. )

 

If it was being suggested over there, I would probably advise having drawings return to their 2D forms upon user unconsciousness, and maybe limit it to one thing being animated at a time, or add something about if only one thing is being done, concentration needed also increases with size. Maybe give an example of something at the upper limit (like maybe the Lhikan statue in the Coliseum). Otherwise, seems reasonable.

Edited December 31, 2014 by bonesiii

[Toa Komali]

Glad you like the idea. I'd love for others to use the idea. What topic should I post it?

 

I'll rewrite the idea and post once ready.

[bonesiii]

This one:

 

http://www.bzpower.com/board/topic/2468-expanded-multiverse-discussion-topic/

 

[The 1st Shadow]

 

 

Ok then lets see if this helps.

Name: Kanohi Sakon

AKA: The mask of Animation

Power: Allows the user to create constructs from nearby drawings, sculptures, and or carvings. The mask is not giving life to the constructs mearly allowing them movement and in the case of the drawings form. Drawn/Carved things will be made from the material that they were on prior to animation. The user is in control of the constructs movment. More concentration is needed for more constructs and if the user is knocked out the constructs will become inert staying in the last pose they had. Noble form only allows for statues and sculptures to be animated.

 

Funny enough thins mask gives me Green Lantern vibes. Honestly wasn't thinking of them at all. 

 

That's... kinda awesome... And it would be cool if you'd submit it to the EM. (Come to think of it, that side of this discussion might work better in the EM discussion topic... if you're okay with submitting powers for anyone to use. )

 

If it was being suggested over there, I would probably advise having drawings return to their 2D forms upon user unconsciousness, and maybe limit it to one thing being animated at a time, or add something about if only one thing is being done, concentration needed also increases with size. Maybe give an example of something at the upper limit (like maybe the Lhikan statue in the Coliseum). Otherwise, seems reasonable.

Um... Isn't that basically what this guy does? It's not a new power, bones. However, it would be cool to see it as a mask power, though, if that's what you're saying.

 

Thok's power of animation allowed him to take control of any inanimate object in the immediate area and make it serve him, be it a wall, a tree, or his opponent's tool. When ordered by Zaktan to control a section of a mountain, he was hesitant to do so because he knew it was tool big for him to maintain. Knocking him out would return whatever he had power over to its original state.

Edited January 1, 2015 by ~T1S~

[bonesiii]

Sort of -- but it's much more specialized. Thok's wouldn't do the painting thing. (Actually we probably have Thok's in the EM already.)

[The 1st Shadow]

Sort of -- but it's much more specialized. Thok's wouldn't do the painting thing. (Actually we probably have Thok's in the EM already.)

What he described fits perfectly with the description of Thok's ability. 

 

Thok could still feasibly do the painting thing, but it would take a lot of skill, precision, and concentration.

[Toa Komali]

This one:

 

http://www.bzpower.com/board/topic/2468-expanded-multiverse-discussion-topic/

 

Thank you. I'll iron out the kinks for the power tomorrow.

 

 

 

 

Ok then lets see if this helps.

Name: Kanohi Sakon

AKA: The mask of Animation

Power: Allows the user to create constructs from nearby drawings, sculptures, and or carvings. The mask is not giving life to the constructs mearly allowing them movement and in the case of the drawings form. Drawn/Carved things will be made from the material that they were on prior to animation. The user is in control of the constructs movment. More concentration is needed for more constructs and if the user is knocked out the constructs will become inert staying in the last pose they had. Noble form only allows for statues and sculptures to be animated.

 

Funny enough thins mask gives me Green Lantern vibes. Honestly wasn't thinking of them at all. 

 

That's... kinda awesome... And it would be cool if you'd submit it to the EM. (Come to think of it, that side of this discussion might work better in the EM discussion topic... if you're okay with submitting powers for anyone to use. )

 

If it was being suggested over there, I would probably advise having drawings return to their 2D forms upon user unconsciousness, and maybe limit it to one thing being animated at a time, or add something about if only one thing is being done, concentration needed also increases with size. Maybe give an example of something at the upper limit (like maybe the Lhikan statue in the Coliseum). Otherwise, seems reasonable.

Um... Isn't that basically what this guy does? It's not a new power, bones. However, it would be cool to see it as a mask power, though, if that's what you're saying.

 

Thok's power of animation allowed him to take control of any inanimate object in the immediate area and make it serve him, be it a wall, a tree, or his opponent's tool. When ordered by Zaktan to control a section of a mountain, he was hesitant to do so because he knew it was tool big for him to maintain. Knocking him out would return whatever he had power over to its original state.

 

I'm incline to agree with Bonesiii Thok has a animation power but its generic. I can only bring walls and trees into his sway so to speak. Sure he may be able to control a statue but mine allows the user to control anything that has a design.

 

For example Thok can make a stone wall run his enemy down. The mask could on the other hand take a crack in said wall and make it a minion with a distinct form. I guess you could say my mask would be useless without the element of creation since it does take an imagination to make the crack something other than a walking squiggle.

 

Hmm I suppose like a few of the Kraata powers it can be both natural to a being and a mask power.

[The 1st Shadow]

I'm incline to agree with Bonesiii Thok has a animation power but its generic. I can only bring walls and trees into his sway so to speak. Sure he may be able to control a statue but mine allows the user to control anything that has a design.

For example Thok can make a stone wall run his enemy down. The mask could on the other hand take a crack in said wall and make it a minion with a distinct form. I guess you could say my mask would be useless without the element of creation since it does take an imagination to make the crack something other than a walking squiggle.

 

Hmm I suppose like a few of the Kraata powers it can be both natural to a being and a mask power.

 

Uh, exactly how would that even work? That sort of thing would be stretching it too far. Let's see if I understand you: Animate the crack, and it becomes it's own individual thing that serves the user. Changing its shape and apparently separating from the wall is included, yes? Well, a crack is a space between solids, right? What happens when the crack jumps off? Does the space between the material of the wall close up? Or does it stay open? If the latter, then the mask created a minion out of nothing, while the crack remains. 

 

While an interesting idea, I feel like it's too much of a stretch to be even reasonably plausible. Or, come up with a better example, because the crack thing throws all consideration of physics out the window. The way it was handled with Thok gives it enough power to be reasonably useful, and doesn't stretch too far outside conceivable boundaries. 

[Toa Komali]

 

I'm incline to agree with Bonesiii Thok has a animation power but its generic. I can only bring walls and trees into his sway so to speak. Sure he may be able to control a statue but mine allows the user to control anything that has a design.

For example Thok can make a stone wall run his enemy down. The mask could on the other hand take a crack in said wall and make it a minion with a distinct form. I guess you could say my mask would be useless without the element of creation since it does take an imagination to make the crack something other than a walking squiggle.

 

Hmm I suppose like a few of the Kraata powers it can be both natural to a being and a mask power.

 

Uh, exactly how would that even work? That sort of thing would be stretching it too far. Let's see if I understand you: Animate the crack, and it becomes it's own individual thing that serves the user. Changing its shape and apparently separating from the wall is included, yes? Well, a crack is a space between solids, right? What happens when the crack jumps off? Does the space between the material of the wall close up? Or does it stay open? If the latter, then the mask created a minion out of nothing, while the crack remains. 

 

While an interesting idea, I feel like it's too much of a stretch to be even reasonably plausible. Or, come up with a better example, because the crack thing throws all consideration of physics out the window. The way it was handled with Thok gives it enough power to be reasonably useful, and doesn't stretch too far outside conceivable boundaries. 

 

As with a drawing it is a Physical manifestation made from the same material as the source. Like if a Toa were to use it on a drawing a small construct made of paper would come out in the shape as the drawing as interpreted by the user. A drawing being 2D would need some interpretation so it could exist in 3D. As well like Bonesiii said for the reworking the form would only be only be there so long as the user was concentrating and the source was still where they summoned it from.

 

It's simply energy to matter conversion for the Drawing and the Crack. The crack would need to remain for the construct to exist. I'm not saying literately a image peeling off the paper or wall. That would be a major stretch. With the statues it would be more like Thok's power simply animating the object.

 

As far as I'm aware it's not too big a stretch when we have a mask that can create a portal to other worlds and dimensions. Plus Toa do what this mask does all the time. Elemental energy turning into a rock, water, ice, Ect that was not there before..

Edited January 1, 2015 by Toa Komali

[The 1st Shadow]

 

 

I'm incline to agree with Bonesiii Thok has a animation power but its generic. I can only bring walls and trees into his sway so to speak. Sure he may be able to control a statue but mine allows the user to control anything that has a design.

For example Thok can make a stone wall run his enemy down. The mask could on the other hand take a crack in said wall and make it a minion with a distinct form. I guess you could say my mask would be useless without the element of creation since it does take an imagination to make the crack something other than a walking squiggle.

 

Hmm I suppose like a few of the Kraata powers it can be both natural to a being and a mask power.

 

Uh, exactly how would that even work? That sort of thing would be stretching it too far. Let's see if I understand you: Animate the crack, and it becomes it's own individual thing that serves the user. Changing its shape and apparently separating from the wall is included, yes? Well, a crack is a space between solids, right? What happens when the crack jumps off? Does the space between the material of the wall close up? Or does it stay open? If the latter, then the mask created a minion out of nothing, while the crack remains. 

 

While an interesting idea, I feel like it's too much of a stretch to be even reasonably plausible. Or, come up with a better example, because the crack thing throws all consideration of physics out the window. The way it was handled with Thok gives it enough power to be reasonably useful, and doesn't stretch too far outside conceivable boundaries. 

 

As with a drawing it is a Physical manifestation made from the same material as the source. Like if a Toa were to use it on a drawing a small construct made of paper would come out in the shape as the drawing as interpreted by the user. A drawing being 2D would need some interpretation so it could exist in 3D. As well like Bonesiii said for the reworking the form would only be only be there so long as the user was concentrating and the source was still where they summoned it from.

 

It's simply energy to matter conversion for the Drawing and the Crack. The crack would need to remain for the construct to exist. I'm not saying literately a image peeling off the paper or wall. That would be a major stretch. With the statues it would be more like Thok's power simply animating the object.

 

As far as I'm aware it's not too big a stretch when we have a mask that can create a portal to other worlds and dimensions. Plus Toa do what this mask does all the time. Elemental energy turning into a rock, water, ice, Ect that was not there before..

 

So, you're saying I could use the mask to make that sprite in your avatar come to life, separate from the image and become a 3D figure? Or not? In your first paragraph, you're saying one thing. But, in the very next paragraph, you say it can't do what you just implied. I strongly suggest you work on your wording, because I don't quite understand what your point really is.

[Toa Komali]

 

 

 

I'm incline to agree with Bonesiii Thok has a animation power but its generic. I can only bring walls and trees into his sway so to speak. Sure he may be able to control a statue but mine allows the user to control anything that has a design.

For example Thok can make a stone wall run his enemy down. The mask could on the other hand take a crack in said wall and make it a minion with a distinct form. I guess you could say my mask would be useless without the element of creation since it does take an imagination to make the crack something other than a walking squiggle.

 

Hmm I suppose like a few of the Kraata powers it can be both natural to a being and a mask power.

 

Uh, exactly how would that even work? That sort of thing would be stretching it too far. Let's see if I understand you: Animate the crack, and it becomes it's own individual thing that serves the user. Changing its shape and apparently separating from the wall is included, yes? Well, a crack is a space between solids, right? What happens when the crack jumps off? Does the space between the material of the wall close up? Or does it stay open? If the latter, then the mask created a minion out of nothing, while the crack remains. 

 

While an interesting idea, I feel like it's too much of a stretch to be even reasonably plausible. Or, come up with a better example, because the crack thing throws all consideration of physics out the window. The way it was handled with Thok gives it enough power to be reasonably useful, and doesn't stretch too far outside conceivable boundaries. 

 

As with a drawing it is a Physical manifestation made from the same material as the source. Like if a Toa were to use it on a drawing a small construct made of paper would come out in the shape as the drawing as interpreted by the user. A drawing being 2D would need some interpretation so it could exist in 3D. As well like Bonesiii said for the reworking the form would only be only be there so long as the user was concentrating and the source was still where they summoned it from.

 

It's simply energy to matter conversion for the Drawing and the Crack. The crack would need to remain for the construct to exist. I'm not saying literately a image peeling off the paper or wall. That would be a major stretch. With the statues it would be more like Thok's power simply animating the object.

 

As far as I'm aware it's not too big a stretch when we have a mask that can create a portal to other worlds and dimensions. Plus Toa do what this mask does all the time. Elemental energy turning into a rock, water, ice, Ect that was not there before..

 

So, you're saying I could use the mask to make that sprite in your avatar come to life, separate from the image and become a 3D figure? Or not? In your first paragraph, you're saying one thing. But, in the very next paragraph, you say it can't do what you just implied. I strongly suggest you work on your wording, because I don't quite understand what your point really is.

 

 

Yes you could do as you said. Though the construct would be made of glass, Appear as you would think it should in 3D and the source image must stay intact for the mask to keep its link.

 

Basically the mask converts ambient energy to create the construct transforming it into a animate statue of what the image is being interpreted as and made of what the drawing was on.

 

But the mask also needs a focus in the form of the source. Say your in a fight and bring a paper drawing out with the mask. The drawing would still be on the paper while the Construct is helping you but if your enemy cut, Burned or otherwise damaged the drawn image the construct would return to ambient energy.

Edited January 1, 2015 by Toa Komali

[The 1st Shadow]

 

 

 

 

I'm incline to agree with Bonesiii Thok has a animation power but its generic. I can only bring walls and trees into his sway so to speak. Sure he may be able to control a statue but mine allows the user to control anything that has a design.

For example Thok can make a stone wall run his enemy down. The mask could on the other hand take a crack in said wall and make it a minion with a distinct form. I guess you could say my mask would be useless without the element of creation since it does take an imagination to make the crack something other than a walking squiggle.

 

Hmm I suppose like a few of the Kraata powers it can be both natural to a being and a mask power.

 

Uh, exactly how would that even work? That sort of thing would be stretching it too far. Let's see if I understand you: Animate the crack, and it becomes it's own individual thing that serves the user. Changing its shape and apparently separating from the wall is included, yes? Well, a crack is a space between solids, right? What happens when the crack jumps off? Does the space between the material of the wall close up? Or does it stay open? If the latter, then the mask created a minion out of nothing, while the crack remains. 

 

While an interesting idea, I feel like it's too much of a stretch to be even reasonably plausible. Or, come up with a better example, because the crack thing throws all consideration of physics out the window. The way it was handled with Thok gives it enough power to be reasonably useful, and doesn't stretch too far outside conceivable boundaries. 

 

As with a drawing it is a Physical manifestation made from the same material as the source. Like if a Toa were to use it on a drawing a small construct made of paper would come out in the shape as the drawing as interpreted by the user. A drawing being 2D would need some interpretation so it could exist in 3D. As well like Bonesiii said for the reworking the form would only be only be there so long as the user was concentrating and the source was still where they summoned it from.

 

It's simply energy to matter conversion for the Drawing and the Crack. The crack would need to remain for the construct to exist. I'm not saying literately a image peeling off the paper or wall. That would be a major stretch. With the statues it would be more like Thok's power simply animating the object.

 

As far as I'm aware it's not too big a stretch when we have a mask that can create a portal to other worlds and dimensions. Plus Toa do what this mask does all the time. Elemental energy turning into a rock, water, ice, Ect that was not there before..

 

So, you're saying I could use the mask to make that sprite in your avatar come to life, separate from the image and become a 3D figure? Or not? In your first paragraph, you're saying one thing. But, in the very next paragraph, you say it can't do what you just implied. I strongly suggest you work on your wording, because I don't quite understand what your point really is.

 

 

Yes you could do as you said. Though the construct would be made of glass, Appear as you would think it should in 3D and the source image must stay intact for the mask to keep its link.

 

Basically the mask converts ambient energy to create the construct transforming it into a animate statue of what the image is being interpreted as and made of what the drawing was on.

 

But the mask also needs a focus in the form of the source. Say your in a fight and bring a paper drawing out with the mask. The drawing would still be on the paper while the Construct is helping you but if your enemy cut, Burned or otherwise damaged the drawn image the construct would return to ambient energy.

 

Oh! Now I get what you're saying. That actually does sound pretty cool. 

 

So, if I drew a disk launcher with a level 6 freeze disk on a piece of paper, would I be able to use the mask to create those things with all their functions intact? (i.e. The launcher would fire the disk, and the disk would freeze my opponent, even when I return it to its drawing form?

[Toa Komali]

 

 

 

 

 

I'm incline to agree with Bonesiii Thok has a animation power but its generic. I can only bring walls and trees into his sway so to speak. Sure he may be able to control a statue but mine allows the user to control anything that has a design.

For example Thok can make a stone wall run his enemy down. The mask could on the other hand take a crack in said wall and make it a minion with a distinct form. I guess you could say my mask would be useless without the element of creation since it does take an imagination to make the crack something other than a walking squiggle.

 

Hmm I suppose like a few of the Kraata powers it can be both natural to a being and a mask power.

 

Uh, exactly how would that even work? That sort of thing would be stretching it too far. Let's see if I understand you: Animate the crack, and it becomes it's own individual thing that serves the user. Changing its shape and apparently separating from the wall is included, yes? Well, a crack is a space between solids, right? What happens when the crack jumps off? Does the space between the material of the wall close up? Or does it stay open? If the latter, then the mask created a minion out of nothing, while the crack remains. 

 

While an interesting idea, I feel like it's too much of a stretch to be even reasonably plausible. Or, come up with a better example, because the crack thing throws all consideration of physics out the window. The way it was handled with Thok gives it enough power to be reasonably useful, and doesn't stretch too far outside conceivable boundaries. 

 

As with a drawing it is a Physical manifestation made from the same material as the source. Like if a Toa were to use it on a drawing a small construct made of paper would come out in the shape as the drawing as interpreted by the user. A drawing being 2D would need some interpretation so it could exist in 3D. As well like Bonesiii said for the reworking the form would only be only be there so long as the user was concentrating and the source was still where they summoned it from.

 

It's simply energy to matter conversion for the Drawing and the Crack. The crack would need to remain for the construct to exist. I'm not saying literately a image peeling off the paper or wall. That would be a major stretch. With the statues it would be more like Thok's power simply animating the object.

 

As far as I'm aware it's not too big a stretch when we have a mask that can create a portal to other worlds and dimensions. Plus Toa do what this mask does all the time. Elemental energy turning into a rock, water, ice, Ect that was not there before..

 

So, you're saying I could use the mask to make that sprite in your avatar come to life, separate from the image and become a 3D figure? Or not? In your first paragraph, you're saying one thing. But, in the very next paragraph, you say it can't do what you just implied. I strongly suggest you work on your wording, because I don't quite understand what your point really is.

 

 

Yes you could do as you said. Though the construct would be made of glass, Appear as you would think it should in 3D and the source image must stay intact for the mask to keep its link.

 

Basically the mask converts ambient energy to create the construct transforming it into a animate statue of what the image is being interpreted as and made of what the drawing was on.

 

But the mask also needs a focus in the form of the source. Say your in a fight and bring a paper drawing out with the mask. The drawing would still be on the paper while the Construct is helping you but if your enemy cut, Burned or otherwise damaged the drawn image the construct would return to ambient energy.

 

Oh! Now I get what you're saying. That actually does sound pretty cool. 

 

So, if I drew a disk launcher with a level 6 freeze disk on a piece of paper, would I be able to use the mask to create those things with all their functions intact? (i.e. The launcher would fire the disk, and the disk would freeze my opponent, even when I return it to its drawing form?

 

In theory it might be able to. So long as the carving was in the proper type of Protodemis after all if it were made of paper it be more or less like the bamboo disks from 2001.

 

The freeze effect would remain anyway if the target has been hit since the mask didn't make the layer of ice the Kanoka construct did.  

Edited January 1, 2015 by Toa Komali

[The 1st Shadow]

In theory it might be able to. So long as the carving was in the proper type of Protodemis after all if it were made of paper it be more or less like the bamboo disks from 2001.

 

The freeze effect would remain anyway if the target has been hit since the mask didn't make the layer of ice the Kanoka construct did.  

 

Huh. Interesting. 

 

With the inhabitants of the MU now on Spherus Magna, where paper and ink is used in place of carvings, I can imagine a Toa with this mask and a lot of artistic talent carrying around a sketchbook and pen/pencil, putting it to use. 

 

Now that I think about it, though, it almost sounds like a mix between Thok's power and a weaker version of the Mask of Creation. So, I wonder if that wouldn't be too overpowered.

Edited January 1, 2015 by ~T1S~

[bonesiii]

MoC makes anything, and it stays as effective as when it starts indefinitely (unless decayed or destroyed of course), regardless of what happens to the mask or user, so not like that enough to be Legendary powered methinks.

[fishers64]

Rhythmatist powers in Bionicle? I can get behind that - although in that story the characters used chalk. (Not that chalk couldn't exist in Bionicle, although for some reason I think it would be unlikely.) But if it had to be a tablet, the issue of having enough time to draw could be a problem, and with paper the whole easily destroyed thing comes into play. 

 

Feels like a variation on the Mask of Conjuring, only with drawings instead of power codes. I don't think it would be OP. (Unless chalk becomes a thing. )

Edited January 1, 2015 by fishers64

[Toa Komali]

 

In theory it might be able to. So long as the carving was in the proper type of Protodemis after all if it were made of paper it be more or less like the bamboo disks from 2001.

 

The freeze effect would remain anyway if the target has been hit since the mask didn't make the layer of ice the Kanoka construct did.  

 

Huh. Interesting. 

 

With the inhabitants of the MU now on Spherus Magna, where paper and ink is used in place of carvings, I can imagine a Toa with this mask and a lot of artistic talent carrying around a sketchbook and pen/pencil, putting it to use. 

 

Now that I think about it, though, it almost sounds like a mix between Thok's power and that of the Mask of Creation. So, I wonder if that wouldn't be too overpowered.

 

That is a cool idea. Hmm maybe a toa of stone since Po-Matoran are artisan commonly. Not saying it couldn't be another but imagine if Onewa had had this mask as opposed to the Komau, or if Hafu became a Toa this mask would fit him like a glove.

 

"The Mask of Creation allows its user to imagine a completed product from raw materials and learn how to construct it. It can also create an object if the user is already aware of how that object can be made." at first you might think so but remember The mask of creation (why didn't it get a name?) makes things that are ment to stay. The Sakon on the other hand does not. As well the MoC is like a physical muse giving the wearer the idea and instructions. 

 

Really I could see it being misinterpreted as a over powered mask. But it has alot of limits to it. 

 

Not to mention a creation made of paper would by no means be untouchable. Even without its focus being destried it will burn quite well. So the mask can backfire.(only one example but you get the idea.)

Edited January 1, 2015 by Toa Komali

[The 1st Shadow]

Yeah, I forgot to mention that I was talking about a lesser version of the MoC. But, I do see how it could have its drawbacks. But I'm thinking about all its other uses besides combat. Like, making a bridge. Isn't paper just processed wood? If you made a 3D version of a bridge, it would turn into basically wooden planks with flax (?) rope holding it together.

[Toa Komali]

Yeah, I forgot to mention that I was talking about a lesser version of the MoC. But, I do see how it could have its drawbacks. But I'm thinking about all its other uses besides combat. Like, making a bridge. Isn't paper just processed wood? If you made a 3D version of a bridge, it would turn into basically wooden planks with flax (?) rope holding it together.

 but remember it can only be there if there is a drawing, concentration, and if done wrong in the mind it would be as flimsy as a sheet of paper. Flax on its own is not terribly strong hence why we make rope with multiple strands. Plus once the user is done with it it vanishes back into the aether.

 

This mask isn't practical for construction like the MoC is. Nor can it give life like Artakha can to his creations. 

[The 1st Shadow]

 

Yeah, I forgot to mention that I was talking about a lesser version of the MoC. But, I do see how it could have its drawbacks. But I'm thinking about all its other uses besides combat. Like, making a bridge. Isn't paper just processed wood? If you made a 3D version of a bridge, it would turn into basically wooden planks with flax (?) rope holding it together.

 but remember it can only be there if there is a drawing, concentration, and if done wrong in the mind it would be as flimsy as a sheet of paper. Flax on its own is not terribly strong hence why we make rope with multiple strands. Plus once the user is done with it it vanishes back into the aether.

 

This mask isn't practical for construction like the MoC is. Nor can it give life like Artakha can to his creations. 

 

I get that. I'm saying it could feasibly create a bridge temporarily, so long as the user focuses. We'd already established the limitations and prerequisites of its use, so I didn't bother to repeat them again. I'm now discussing potential usage for such a thing.

[Toa Komali]

 

 

Yeah, I forgot to mention that I was talking about a lesser version of the MoC. But, I do see how it could have its drawbacks. But I'm thinking about all its other uses besides combat. Like, making a bridge. Isn't paper just processed wood? If you made a 3D version of a bridge, it would turn into basically wooden planks with flax (?) rope holding it together.

 but remember it can only be there if there is a drawing, concentration, and if done wrong in the mind it would be as flimsy as a sheet of paper. Flax on its own is not terribly strong hence why we make rope with multiple strands. Plus once the user is done with it it vanishes back into the aether.

 

This mask isn't practical for construction like the MoC is. Nor can it give life like Artakha can to his creations. 

 

I get that. I'm saying it could feasibly create a bridge temporarily, so long as the user focuses. We'd already established the limitations and prerequisites of its use, so I didn't bother to repeat them again. I'm now discussing potential usage for such a thing.

 

Oh sorry misunderstood you there.  Yeah it could have a number of uses. Oh I just thought of something it could be useful in diplomatic moments. Trying to talk peace create a construct that they feel comfortable around and talk things over while being sure not to hide what you really are. Useful for minor xenophobic moments.  

 

And it could be a great espionage tool too though I think Toa are less likely to use it in that way. But still usefull for all other Kanohi wearers.

Edited January 1, 2015 by Toa Komali

[The 1st Shadow]

Quite right. 

 

Was that the only mask power you wanted to discuss? Or did you have some other ideas? After hearing this one and going over it's implications, I'm actually kinda curious as to what else you may have come up with.

[Toa Komali]

Quite right. 

 

Was that the only mask power you wanted to discuss? Or did you have some other ideas? After hearing this one and going over it's implications, I'm actually kinda curious as to what else you may have come up with.

Not just yet I'm still thinking em up. But first I'm going to refine the Sakon and get it ready for posting on the EU thread. I'm glad you guys like the idea I'll try to come up with a equally interesting mask for my next one.

[The 1st Shadow]

 

Quite right. 

 

Was that the only mask power you wanted to discuss? Or did you have some other ideas? After hearing this one and going over it's implications, I'm actually kinda curious as to what else you may have come up with.

Not just yet I'm still thinking em up. But first I'm going to refine the Sakon and get it ready for posting on the EU thread. I'm glad you guys like the idea I'll try to come up with a equally interesting mask for my next one.

 

I look forward to it.