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Look, I know it's a hard reboot and this will never happen, but it's still early enough in Gen 2's story that I can think of a theory that could potentially link generations 1 and 2, and I just feel the need to post it despite the repercussions that will follow.

My theory involves the Toa, and how they came to be on Okoto with no memories.

Let's go back to the tip of the Gen 1 story. According to Greg Farshtey, Takanuva's destiny was intended to be to play a major role in a civil war between two groups of Great Beings: a group led by Velika that wanted to lead SM directly, and a group who wanted to avoid interfering with the new societies at all. This was assuming the story team didn't have their own plans for his destiny, and since they won't be focusing on Gen 1 anymore, that'll almost certainly not happen, meaning the war will likely be canon.

Velika's grand plan had something (we don't know what) to do with the Toa Nuva, and required that they remain alive. Meanwhile, the Marendar is on the loose, hunting down any Toa it finds.

My theory goes like this:

During the civil war, the GBs who oppose Velika use the Marendar to kill the Toa Nuva (by this time Kopaka and Pohatu would've escaped the Red Star) for their own protection, so as to ruin Velika's plans. However they know the Toa Nuva would just be teleported to the Red Star, so they would get Takanuva to retrieve the Mask Of Time from the Dark Hunters (or Voporak if he still has it), and then make an extra attachment to give it even more power and abilities (the 'second half' of the mask that is rumoured to exist).

Meanwhile, the Kestora would transfer the Toa Nuva's "AI" (consciousness) into new bodies, those of normal Toa rather than souped-up Toa Nuva. Either the Kanohi Nuva wouldn't be compatible with the new bodies or they were looted between when they died and when they teleported. Either way, there would be a need to give the Toa Nuva new masks to go with their new bodies, hence why they now wear masks with different powers. Although these new bodies have the same powers as their old bodies, Lewa's new body would be that of a Toa of the Green, and his new Mask of Air would compensate for his lost Air powers. This would explain why he'd have both Air and Jungle powers.

Velika would no doubt try and bring back the Toa Nuva from the Red Star so he can complete his master plan. To this end, the Great Beings would use the now-2-piece Mask of Time to transport the Toa into the future, and out of Velika's reach. Then the mask would (by whatever means) split back into 2 pieces and be separated, so Velika can't reuse it.

Fast-forward to the 2015 era, and the island of Okoto. Ekimu and this new Makuta (who may predate the MU because there's no way the name would be used again after Teridax disgraced it) fight each other, both pass out, and the Protectors learn of the Prophecy of Heroes from Ekimu's whispering body. They recite Ekimu's whisperings from the Temple of Time, and that sends some sort of signal to the Red Star, where the Toa Nuva are cradled after their trip through time, causing the Red Star to eject them onto Okoto, creating the meteors we see falling from the sky onto the island.

Obviously there are a number of reasons why this cannot be:

  • It's a hard reboot. There are NO connections between Gen 1 and Gen 2.
  • The Mask of Time transporting the Toa Nuva into the future is close enough to time travel. There is NO time travel in Bionicle.
  • The GBs' war has not been confirmed to be canon at time of writing, as the Gen 1 story has not been written that far yet.
  • The existence of a second half of the Mask of Time is still speculation, and is brought into question by the fact that the mask we know was made by a Toa, not a GB.
  • What happens to MU residents who die outside the MU is unclear. Although the Red Star was said to play a part in Jaller's revival, not even Farshtey knows how it actually happened. https://community.lego.com/t5/LEGO-General/Chat-with-Greg-Farshtey/td-p/6605180/page/429

...but I just wanted to get this silly theory off my chest because it sounded like an awesome idea. Feel free to savage it as much as you want.

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Intriguing. I have a few questions though.

 

- When does the Okoto timeline take place?

 

- What ever happened to the rest of Spherus Magna? Did Velika take over the planet another way? Was Velika defeated? What happened to the Gold-Skinned Being? 

 

- If G2 Lewa was a Toa of Plantlife with a Mask of Air, what bodies do the other Toa occupy?

 

- Are the Okoto islanders Matoran or Agori, and the Protectors Turaga? Or are they an entirely new species?

 

- If Okoto is on Spherus Magna, how was it formed? Was the war to come really that destructive?

 

With more answers come even more questions. This theory is quite complicated, and I don't really see it happening. I've said this many times before, but my way of connecting the two universes is through the use of an Olmak.

 

Similar to The Melding or Dark Mirror, the Okoto timeline is a different timeline in which the Core War didn't separate Spherus Magna into three planets, but rather completely changed the landscape of the planet. The Great Sea had expanded tremondously, leaving only islands. In this, most of the planet's species were destroyed, leaving only Turaga, Agori, Artakha and Karzahni (these are species of relevance to Okoto). It goes on from there.

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, most of the planet's species were destroyed, leaving only Turaga, Agori, Artakha and Karzahni (these are species of relevance to Okoto). It goes on from there.

Artakha and Karzahni are unique beings, not species, and the latter is dead. Similarly, turaga are a subspecies of matoran, but the protectors are the same species as the villagers, so their relationship his more like the Ta-koro guard and the lava farmers than Turaga and Agori.

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Intriguing. I have a few questions though.

 

- When does the Okoto timeline take place?

 

- What ever happened to the rest of Spherus Magna? Did Velika take over the planet another way? Was Velika defeated? What happened to the Gold-Skinned Being? 

 

- If G2 Lewa was a Toa of Plantlife with a Mask of Air, what bodies do the other Toa occupy?

 

- Are the Okoto islanders Matoran or Agori, and the Protectors Turaga? Or are they an entirely new species?

 

- If Okoto is on Spherus Magna, how was it formed? Was the war to come really that destructive?

 

With more answers come even more questions. This theory is quite complicated, and I don't really see it happening. I've said this many times before, but my way of connecting the two universes is through the use of an Olmak.

 

Similar to The Melding or Dark Mirror, the Okoto timeline is a different timeline in which the Core War didn't separate Spherus Magna into three planets, but rather completely changed the landscape of the planet. The Great Sea had expanded tremondously, leaving only islands. In this, most of the planet's species were destroyed, leaving only Turaga, Agori, Artakha and Karzahni (these are species of relevance to Okoto). It goes on from there.

1: In the future. That's all this theory assumes.

2: Don't know. The Toa may find a way to go back and end the war.

3: Bodies of Toa of their own elements (Gali-Water, Tahu-Fire etc.), thus they keep the elements they had prior. There could be all sorts of reasons why Lewa would get a Toa of the Green's body though, eg. Kestora ran out of resources to make a Toa of Air, or they forgot how.

4: I think they might be Agori, but they may be a new species entirely.

5: Okoto could've been formed when Mata Nui used the last of his power to bring new life to Spherus Magna when finishing his mission.

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I really like this theory.

 

I don't think that you necessarily need to have a second half of the Vahi for it to work, seeing as you could have the Great Beings hide the Toa in the Red Star (or in their own Toa Stars) from the start. Then all you need the Vahi to do is to slow down time around the Toa while they are in storage as a sort of stasis. That seems pretty consistent with the powers we've seen so far, and even if it weren't, presumably the Great Beings would know how to use the Vahi more effectively than Vakama or Tahu.

 

It also seems a bit drastic to kill all the Toa Mata in order to explain their new appearances. :P

You could alternatively explain it as the Great Beings gave them new armour for the war, or the armour was designed to protect them from the effects of "time travel". (I'll reserve comment on G2 Lewa being a Toa of the Green until we get confirmation of the extent of his jungle powers.)

 

Finally, just to ask:

"It's a hard reboot. There are NO connections between Gen 1 and Gen 2."

What is your source on that information? The new story team has not said "hard reboot" at any point, and surely the Vahi Easter eggs count as a "connection", whether or not they turn out to exist in-story.

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I like it. It sounds like something Greg might have come up with had Bionicle not been cancelled. I had no idea about the planned "civil war", which sounds like it would have been quite an epic story arc. Now I'm even more depressed about the cancellation...

 

With regard to time travel, I know the Vahi as we know it can't do time travel, but perhaps it can in it's "full form". If the lower half can only slow down or speed up time, maybe the top half has some comparable time-based power (jumping short distances in time, or seeing a short time into the future), and together they can achieve full-fledged time travel.

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So if you are aware that there isn't a connection...why are you still trying to make one?

 

One that's ridiculously complex at that.

 

I mean if you have to go this far out of your way to connect the two then isn't it pretty apparent that it's a waste of time?

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So if you are aware that there isn't a connection...why are you still trying to make one?

 

One that's ridiculously complex at that.

 

I mean if you have to go this far out of your way to connect the two then isn't it pretty apparent that it's a waste of time?

Maybe speculation is fun?

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This is the first time I'm hearing about any of this GB Civil War stuff, very cool.. anybody have a source on that? I've always wanted more info on where the G1 story was supposed to be headed.  Although I can only imagine the difficulty shoehorning further waves of sets post-2009 into this complex of a story; 2010 was rough enough!

 

 

, most of the planet's species were destroyed, leaving only Turaga, Agori, Artakha and Karzahni (these are species of relevance to Okoto). It goes on from there.


Artakha and Karzahni are unique beings, not species, and the latter is dead. Similarly, turaga are a subspecies of matoran, but the protectors are the same species as the villagers, so their relationship his more like the Ta-koro guard and the lava farmers than Turaga and Agori.

 

 

Is there confirmation of the relationship between the protectors and the rest of the villagers? As far as I was aware, we were totally in the dark on anything about the inhabitants of the villages of Okoto besides the little info we have on the six protectors.

 

So if you are aware that there isn't a connection...why are you still trying to make one?

 

One that's ridiculously complex at that.

 

I mean if you have to go this far out of your way to connect the two then isn't it pretty apparent that it's a waste of time?

Aww come on, if you're going to label this a waste of time, isn't being on BZPower at all a waste of time? A little storyline speculation never hurt anyone, and I remember back when it used to be BZP's bread-and-butter!

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Well, Cressona, the only difference between the Protectors and the villagers we know of is their weaponry, passed down through the generations, and the elemental power, given by the masks. So given that information, it's pretty safe to assume that the Protectors aren't an evolved or transformed kind of villager, but a more armed member of the same species. Like a SEAL as opposed to a shopkeeper.

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I really wish everyone would stop trying to play join the dots with Gen 1 and Gen 2 though,it seems there's a couple new threads everyday and often they're duplicates of already existing conversations! Or simply parallel them with a slightly new 'twist'! Gen 2 is NEW, it is NOT Gen 1 and it is NOT a continuation. Outside of the characters we already have I personally don't want to see ANY old characters return. I think it will cheapen the whole experience to those of us familiar with the original line...

 

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Regitnui, that's kind of what I was thinking, but do we have any source besides the animations? Admittedly they do show a village of identical, protector-looking folks, but do we know that's because they're the same species, or is it just a simplification in the name of not introducing too many new-looking characters and saving $$$ on animation?

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Regitnui, that's kind of what I was thinking, but do we have any source besides the animations? Admittedly they do show a village of identical, protector-looking folks, but do we know that's because they're the same species, or is it just a simplification in the name of not introducing too many new-looking characters and saving $$$ on animation?

The animations are the only storyline source. This isn't Gen1 where we have three forms of media backing up every story.

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Elemental Rahi in Gen2, anyone? A write-up for an initial video for a G2 plot

 

I really wish everyone would stop trying to play join the dots with Gen 1 and Gen 2 though,it seems there's a couple new threads everyday and often they're duplicates of already existing conversations! Or simply parallel them with a slightly new 'twist'! Gen 2 is NEW, it is NOT Gen 1 and it is NOT a continuation. Outside of the characters we already have I personally don't want to see ANY old characters return. I think it will cheapen the whole experience to those of us familiar with the original line...

 

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Regitnui, that's kind of what I was thinking, but do we have any source besides the animations? Admittedly they do show a village of identical, protector-looking folks, but do we know that's because they're the same species, or is it just a simplification in the name of not introducing too many new-looking characters and saving $$$ on animation?

The animations are the only storyline source. This isn't Gen1 where we have three forms of media backing up every story.

 

Yeah, that's what I figured.  Still, I'm kind of hesitant to make any substantive claims about the setting or the world in general based on the animations, since they seem to be primarily focused on giving a simple overview of the main conflict, rather than go into any depth or do any significant world-building.  If this is all we'll have to go on until the summer, I suppose extrapolating from them is fair game, but I'm not sure how accurate a picture they present of what's "actually" going on-- I mean, they give the impression that the toa show up, almost immediately grab their masks, and then unite and defeat the LOSS in a single, quick confrontation.  Maybe that's the case, but it doesn't feel like a substantial enough amount of story, even compared to the relatively simple plot of 2001.

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Well, it is a pretty well-evidenced claim, since we have seen the protectors and villagers more often than say, the Rahi everyone thinks is missing.

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I really wish everyone would stop trying to play join the dots with Gen 1 and Gen 2 though,it seems there's a couple new threads everyday and often they're duplicates of already existing conversations! Or simply parallel them with a slightly new 'twist'! Gen 2 is NEW, it is NOT Gen 1 and it is NOT a continuation. Outside of the characters we already have I personally don't want to see ANY old characters return. I think it will cheapen the whole experience to those of us familiar with the original line...

 

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Let's go back to the tip of the Gen 1 story. According to Greg Farshtey, Takanuva's destiny was intended to be to play a major role in a civil war between two groups of Great Beings: a group led by Velika that wanted to lead SM directly, and a group who wanted to avoid interfering with the new societies at all.

 

I want you to read what you just wrote there.  Then I would like to ask you why you would ever want to connect Gen2 to the massive mess of continuity and stupidity that is Gen1.

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Let's go back to the tip of the Gen 1 story. According to Greg Farshtey, Takanuva's destiny was intended to be to play a major role in a civil war between two groups of Great Beings: a group led by Velika that wanted to lead SM directly, and a group who wanted to avoid interfering with the new societies at all.

 

I want you to read what you just wrote there.  Then I would like to ask you why you would ever want to connect Gen2 to the massive mess of continuity and stupidity that is Gen1.

 

Because I like complex stories and hate hard reboots. That's entirely my own fault.

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Let's go back to the tip of the Gen 1 story. According to Greg Farshtey, Takanuva's destiny was intended to be to play a major role in a civil war between two groups of Great Beings: a group led by Velika that wanted to lead SM directly, and a group who wanted to avoid interfering with the new societies at all.

 

I want you to read what you just wrote there.  Then I would like to ask you why you would ever want to connect Gen2 to the massive mess of continuity and stupidity that is Gen1.

 

I read that and it sounds awesome. Just saying

 

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Let's go back to the tip of the Gen 1 story. According to Greg Farshtey, Takanuva's destiny was intended to be to play a major role in a civil war between two groups of Great Beings: a group led by Velika that wanted to lead SM directly, and a group who wanted to avoid interfering with the new societies at all.

 

 

I want you to read what you just wrote there.  Then I would like to ask you why you would ever want to connect Gen2 to the massive mess of continuity and stupidity that is Gen1.

Because I like complex stories and hate hard reboots. That's entirely my own fault.
I'm going to have to stand with this guy. I'll miss the ridiculous, out-of-hand, byzantine conglomeration of storylines that was G1. I like a universe that I can sink my teeth into, and probably lose one or two of my canines in the process. I understand this is an unpopular opinion at the moment, but I think it's what brought a lot of us here to begin with.
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Let's go back to the tip of the Gen 1 story. According to Greg Farshtey, Takanuva's destiny was intended to be to play a major role in a civil war between two groups of Great Beings: a group led by Velika that wanted to lead SM directly, and a group who wanted to avoid interfering with the new societies at all.

 

I want you to read what you just wrote there.  Then I would like to ask you why you would ever want to connect Gen2 to the massive mess of continuity and stupidity that is Gen1.

 

People are welcome to have their own opinions, tastes, and theories. If you don't like this theory, don't post in the topic. There's no reason to be insulting.
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Let's go back to the tip of the Gen 1 story. According to Greg Farshtey, Takanuva's destiny was intended to be to play a major role in a civil war between two groups of Great Beings: a group led by Velika that wanted to lead SM directly, and a group who wanted to avoid interfering with the new societies at all.

 

I want you to read what you just wrote there.  Then I would like to ask you why you would ever want to connect Gen2 to the massive mess of continuity and stupidity that is Gen1.

Because I like complex stories and hate hard reboots. That's entirely my own fault.
I'm going to have to stand with this guy. I'll miss the ridiculous, out-of-hand, byzantine conglomeration of storylines that was G1. I like a universe that I can sink my teeth into, and probably lose one or two of my canines in the process. I understand this is an unpopular opinion at the moment, but I think it's what brought a lot of us here to begin with.

Yeah, I'm in that group too.  I love having dozens of characters that are hard to keep track of.  Honestly, one of my favorite moments in the original story was in the side serials, in Reign of Shadows, when Tuyet and Helryx and Miserix and oh my god Tren Krom and Brutaka and Axonn seriously all these awesome characters are fighting--- and then, just to make this massive truckload of powerful characters even more convolutedly awesome, Greg throws Artakha into the mix.  To me, that moment embodied the serials: All these mysterious, non-set characters with insane amounts of power, knowledge, and hype attached to them, going on individual sidequests only to meet up for a climactic finish in the end.  I love that about Bionicle G1, and I really hope that G2 gives us some sort of more complicated side-story at some point.

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