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Oh, man. I'm just choking on the sarcasm right now.

 

But ye, far as I can see it's a reboot. I still see space for it being connected, but I don't particularly care for it.

I don't know what's funnier, the original post, or some of the replies its gotten. (Shout out to Mr. George Copyright!) 

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Now that there's crazy talk!

 

You'd think it's a toyline we're talking about, where that is a completely common occurrence and is perplexingly not at all an issue to anyone when a new, unrelated storyline starts up.

 

But that would be silly. This is serious business here.

 

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I think this was disproven by GregF. I'm going to look it up. 

 

It's been confirmed at the BIONICLE panel in New York that this is a reboot, not a continuation of the old storyline.

 
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i know its a reboot but you said once the 2009 storyline was a reboot too but it had a connection to the old story. so i wonder if this reboot has one too.

I guess you will have to decide that for yourself as time goes on. But the difference with 2009 and 2015 is that BIONICLE was very much a known thing in 2009 ... in 2015, most kids in the target age -- 8-11 -- don't know what BIONICLE is, so tying it into old story wouldn't make a whole lot of sense.

 
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Hey, it's an open question. Personally, I think this is the best reboot theory...

 

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I'm going to stick with it until proven otherwise. 

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inb4 you get a Key To Nongu award for this theory

 

I for one hate the idea of the hard reboot you're implying. I've always hated hard reboots no matter what the franchise. But like I said in my version of this thread (clearly this is a parody of that thread), everyone knows it's a hard reboot whether we like it or not, and all we can do is deal with it.

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This is simply all an alternate dimension.

 

 

Look at this: The six Toa we all know and love are back to defeat Makuta, only we see them start near the beginning of this universe. This is the Okoto dimension - And brings a whole new type of era in for RPGs and epics.

 

The point

 

 

 

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Okay, fine, I'll go with it for now... but what KIND of reboot is it? A soft reboot? A hard reboot? An opaque reboot? A dense reboot? Your use of specific generally non-debatable words just isn't going to cut it anymore.

This is obviously the we're-going-to-tell-a-new-story-with-new-characters-based-on-an-old-story-with-characters-sharing-names-so-that-fans-make-up-endless-theories-as-to-how-the-two-are-connected-when-they-really-aren't-despite-the-fact-that-we-said-so kind of reboot.

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I really wish everyone would stop trying to play join the dots with Gen 1 and Gen 2 though,it seems there's a couple new threads everyday and often they're duplicates of already existing conversations! Or simply parallel them with a slightly new 'twist'! Gen 2 is NEW, it is NOT Gen 1 and it is NOT a continuation. Outside of the characters we already have I personally don't want to see ANY old characters return. I think it will cheapen the whole experience to those of us familiar with the original line...

 

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Obviously we need to take a look at the quote: "its a reboot", and re-arrange it to: Are Bios ToT? (ToT= the original toa). From here you can clearly see they are trying to give is a link between the two. It works the same way with any of their other quotes that we re-arrange. 

 

And c'mon, if your theory is true, we'd see some type of animal-based summer sets like scorpions and bulls. That's just ludicrous. 

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I suppose this is as likely as any other G1-G2 connection we could envision, but I hope it's more interesting than a simple hard reboot; it just feels disappointingly empty if we have to give up on G1 altogether story-wise to jump into a simplified, rehashed version of it for the next few years.

 

I mean, as long as it keeps that uniquely Bionicle character that made the original line so special, I'm sure it'll still be an enjoyable ride, but somewhat less interesting than it could be.

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I suppose this is as likely as any other G1-G2 connection we could envision, but I hope it's more interesting than a simple hard reboot; it just feels disappointingly empty if we have to give up on G1 altogether story-wise to jump into a simplified, rehashed version of it for the next few years.

 

I mean, as long as it keeps that uniquely Bionicle character that made the original line so special, I'm sure it'll still be an enjoyable ride, but somewhat less interesting than it could be.

 

Okay, here's the low-down, the skinny, the "deal", so to speak: Bionicle's G1 story is over. It's gone. Dead. Over. They were never, ever, ever going back to it. Even in the extremely slim chance they somehow tie the two stories together, this hold true. Tying them together would solve one mystery and one mystery only: we know that none of the Toa Mata died. And that's if the two are connected AT ALL.

 

Everything else? There is literally no reason to go back to the wriggling, rotten ends of the serials and try building off them. It doesn't make LEGO money, it wastes Greg's time when he could be doing things that make him money, and it distracts the fans from things that do make LEGO money. The G1 story is frozen in the exact instant Greg stopped writing, forever.

 

So, with those hard, cold, actual factual facts before you, ask yourself, what do you gain by the two lines being linked together? What difference does it make if these are new Toa or old Toa? Why is it so important to have this be a "continuation" of the old story? I see no merit besides pleasing those who have refused to accept the idea of a reboot under any circumstances, and they are the fans that have shown, by and large, to be most unpleasable. (They also usually don't make LEGO money, and, as a business, that makes LEGO cease to care about what they think.)

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I suppose this is as likely as any other G1-G2 connection we could envision, but I hope it's more interesting than a simple hard reboot; it just feels disappointingly empty if we have to give up on G1 altogether story-wise to jump into a simplified, rehashed version of it for the next few years.

 

I mean, as long as it keeps that uniquely Bionicle character that made the original line so special, I'm sure it'll still be an enjoyable ride, but somewhat less interesting than it could be.

 

Okay, here's the low-down, the skinny, the "deal", so to speak: Bionicle's G1 story is over. It's gone. Dead. Over. They were never, ever, ever going back to it. Even in the extremely slim chance they somehow tie the two stories together, this hold true. Tying them together would solve one mystery and one mystery only: we know that none of the Toa Mata died. And that's if the two are connected AT ALL.

 

Everything else? There is literally no reason to go back to the wriggling, rotten ends of the serials and try building off them. It doesn't make LEGO money, it wastes Greg's time when he could be doing things that make him money, and it distracts the fans from things that do make LEGO money. The G1 story is frozen in the exact instant Greg stopped writing, forever.

 

So, with those hard, cold, actual factual facts before you, ask yourself, what do you gain by the two lines being linked together? What difference does it make if these are new Toa or old Toa? Why is it so important to have this be a "continuation" of the old story? I see no merit besides pleasing those who have refused to accept the idea of a reboot under any circumstances, and they are the fans that have shown, by and large, to be most unpleasable. (They also usually don't make LEGO money, and, as a business, that makes LEGO cease to care about what they think.)

 

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The nature of this reboot certainly does seem to be a highly-charged topic on this site; that's some mighty strong rhetoric you've got there.

 

So... for me, the fact that it's back at all, and that it's doing cool stuff in homage to the original story is plenty awesome.  And, hey, I'm with you, those serials got awfully messy post-2009, and before that point the story was so complex and unwieldy it's impressive it managed to sustain itself for that long.  And, even though I liked all that complexity and the intricacies of the lore back then, as many on BZP did, I'm looking forward to the clean slate that G2 represents-- we have a simpler, more streamlined story that maintains all the essential elements and character of Bionicle without all the messy extras.

 

Now on the other hand, and I'm sure you and many others are happy to disagree, I think it would be cool, and I think it would add a little subtle depth to the G2 world, if there were some connection to G1.  I'm not saying we've got to wrap up all the serials, I'm not saying every character from G1 has to be teleported to Okoto and have his destiny explained to us, I just think a little nod back to the old world from the new, a little "Hey, we're in Okoto now, with Okoto characters and all Okoto stuff, but by the way, there's a link between Okoto and Spherus Magna, or Mata Nui, or whatever, and we won't be exploiting it for storyline purposes, but it's there" would be a nice way to acknowledge the old generation, put it to rest, and allow us to move forward, satisfied that G1 isn't just dead, but laid to rest, and living on through G2.

 

Not something big.  Not draining resources away from the story team to spend wrapping up old stuff we don't particularly care about anymore.  But some link, wrapped up somewhere in the new story, for the old folks to notice and go, "hey, isn't that neat?"  It's not essential, right?  But wouldn't it be a little more interesting, a little more fun, than not having any "hey isn't that neat?" moment at all?

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Regarding fans who want a continuation or connection - There are people who want to see these kinds of things and I can totally understand why. People like to see their favourite stories developed further, and actually wrapped up. There are tons of fans who wanted to see continuations of the serials and were disappointed when the return of Bionicle didn't cap off those cliffhangers. It's perfectly reasonable to have that sense of disappointment because those fans are now following Bionicle with preconceived expectations. I'm honestly surprised at the amount of people who act like these fans are representing the worst of the community when I think the majority of the reactions are fairly natural (and to add, considerably tame). In fact, I think it's kind of great because it shows how many people were still pretty passionate about the theme even during it's dead 4 years (I know I was not one of them).

 

I can see tons of benefits to having a connection, if I look at it from a certain standpoint. In that regard, fans who wanted some form of "closure" or continuation may get a sort of fulfillment from even a small nod that confirms or indicates a continuity breach. Other people may not care at all, but it would be reaching a niche audience subtly without interrupting the "flow" of this reboot. Heck, it may even spark interest in fans who don't like the direction of the reboot at all. I like how Cressona said it: "...but it's there" would be a nice way to acknowledge the old generation, put it to rest, and allow us to move forward, satisfied that G1 isn't just dead, but laid to rest, and living on through G2." I think that quote gives a good reasoning to why so many of the aforementioned fans are adamant about cross-continuity and why it wouldn't necessarily be without merit.

 

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I think you're misunderstanding my intentions in starting this topic. I'm having boatloads of fun.

 

I just figured that the S&T forum seemed a little... one-sided? I thought I'd present a theory that had seemed to have fallen by the wayside. And it seems to have been pretty well-received, all things considered!

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May I congratulate you on producing a theory that theorises that there is no theory.

 

I agree entirely with your point that the Storyline & Theories forum is very one sided at the moment. It contains a huge number of theories, but where are all the non-theories? Surely they deserve equal representation? Frankly, I think it is an outrage that people are even allowed to speculate on an alternate hypothesis without also posting a null hypothesis.

 

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May I congratulate you on producing a theory that theorises that there is no theory.

 

I agree entirely with your point that the Storyline & Theories forum is very one sided at the moment. It contains a huge number of theories, but where are all the non-theories? Surely they deserve equal representation? Frankly, I think it is an outrage that people are even allowed to speculate on an alternate hypothesis without also posting a null hypothesis.

 

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I'd say "it's a hard reboot" is as much a valid hypothesis as "the great beings and velika stopped the kestora and together with all the other serial characters no one cares about they sent the toa forward in time where ekimu is a great being and makuta is the same makuta all over again", if not moreso.

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Can we like, you know, stop giving this new storyline almost ten years of baggage before it's even really started? 

 

I like the old stuff just as much as the next guy, but we know almost nothing about the new stuff.

 

There where a lot of shortfallings in the old storyline, and if this new one is forced to carry those as well as it's own we'll just end up with a worse one.

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Can we like, you know, stop giving this new storyline almost ten years of baggage before it's even really started? 

 

I like the old stuff just as much as the next guy, but we know almost nothing about the new stuff.

 

There where a lot of shortfallings in the old storyline, and if this new one is forced to carry those as well as it's own we'll just end up with a worse one.

Surely it's a bit extreme to assume that any connection to the old story will straddle Gen2 with "ten years of baggage?" If LEGO decides to include some sort of link between the two stories, it doesn't have to necessitate the importance of everything that happened in Gen1. Take the Star Trek-Abramsverse. It features not only new iterations of characters from the original television series, but the original version of one those characters. And yet your enjoyment of the film won't be dampened if you've never heard of Harry Mudd or Tribbles or the Gamesters of Triskelion.

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Can we like, you know, stop giving this new storyline almost ten years of baggage before it's even really started? 

 

I like the old stuff just as much as the next guy, but we know almost nothing about the new stuff.

 

There where a lot of shortfallings in the old storyline, and if this new one is forced to carry those as well as it's own we'll just end up with a worse one.

Surely it's a bit extreme to assume that any connection to the old story will straddle Gen2 with "ten years of baggage?" If LEGO decides to include some sort of link between the two stories, it doesn't have to necessitate the importance of everything that happened in Gen1. Take the Star Trek-Abramsverse. It features not only new iterations of characters from the original television series, but the original version of one those characters. And yet your enjoyment of the film won't be dampened if you've never heard of Harry Mudd or Tribbles or the Gamesters of Triskelion.

 

 

Except any connection to Gen1 means they are effectively the same universe, and I can accept that and move on, I doubt the vast majority of S&T can. It will immediately start raising ridiculous questions that aren't reasonably answered, and drive the discussion away from purely G2 topics, since there's more of G1 to discuss.

 

I see no reasonable way they can be linked without G2 gaining G1's baggage.

 

BTW, I don't know anything about startrek, so that example probably doesn't make the point you'd like it to.

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BTW, I don't know anything about startrek, so that example probably doesn't make the point you'd like it to.

Sorry about that. To summarize, in the first Abrams film, a character from the timeline of all on-screen Star Trek prior to 2009 pursues another character through a wormhole about a century into the past. The latter character attacks the Starship he encounters at the other end, breaking with established history and generating a divergent timeline. So, both characters are stuck in a different history, with no apparent way of returning to their own. So while there are references to what happened in the original universe, aside from the two characters who went through the wormhole (one of whom is dead by the end of the first film,) nothing that happened from the Original Series to Nemesis has any direct effect on the new continuity.

 

Except any connection to Gen1 means they are effectively the same universe, and I can accept that and move on, I doubt the vast majority of S&T can. It will immediately start raising ridiculous questions that aren't reasonably answered, and drive the discussion away from purely G2 topics, since there's more of G1 to discuss.

 

I see no reasonable way they can be linked without G2 gaining G1's baggage.

Provided that Okoto isn't on Spherus Magna or inside of the Great Spirit Robot, there should be little in the way of connections between the two stories. If, for example, the connection is simply "the Toa are the same characters we saw in 2001," then nothing concerning the Agori or Stelt or the Dark Hunters or some such thing need be of any consequence, because those things belong on an entirely different world. 

 

That said, the problems of S&T are not the problems of the actual story.  If  folks can't discuss the current story without linking it to Gen1, that doesn't actually change the story or your enjoyment of it. Granted, you won't get the enjoyment of discussing it, but that's secondary to actually experiencing it.

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May I congratulate you on producing a theory that theorises that there is no theory.

 

I agree entirely with your point that the Storyline & Theories forum is very one sided at the moment. It contains a huge number of theories, but where are all the non-theories? Surely they deserve equal representation? Frankly, I think it is an outrage that people are even allowed to speculate on an alternate hypothesis without also posting a null hypothesis.

 

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That's pretty much it. In all honesty, in the absence of a statement that leaves zero room for doubt, the idea of the new story being a hard reboot is still "only a theory". Like the theory of evolution or the theory of gravity, it's entirely possible that new information could arise that actually disproves it. But also like those scientific theories, the new story being a hard reboot is the theory most supported by existing evidence, and most alternative theories either contradict the evidence (in this case, the story details we DO know so far) or fall victim to Occam's Razor (that is to say, are so complex that the likelihood of them actually being proved correct are slim-to-none).

 

In any case, I started this topic because I was seeing topic after topic purporting a canon link between the two stories, and I felt that the most obvious scenario (a hard reboot) was being ignored. And I'm glad I did, because some of the comments have been HILARIOUS. And it even got so many upvotes that it got a little "POPULAR" star in it! That's actually the first time I've ever noticed that on BZP, and I guess it's pretty cool that a topic of mine could achieve that.

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And I'm glad I did, because some of the comments have been HILARIOUS. And it even got so many upvotes that it got a little "POPULAR" star in it! That's actually the first time I've ever noticed that on BZP, and I guess it's pretty cool that a topic of mine could achieve that.

Actually, your Nui Rama already got that after being featured on the front page. I think the threshold for it appearing is 20 or more upvotes.

 

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OBJECTION!

 

If you rearrange the letters in ‘Okoto’ and ‘Greg Farshtey’ you get ‘SORT THE GEOGRAFY OK’. Notice the (ph) has been replaced with a (f). In science terms, pH is the level of acidity of a substance (to put it simply) and Fe is the element symbol for Iron. Going back to geografy, which regions of Okoto will ‘pH’ and Iron work best in? Iron would definitely fit Stone or Earth, what with Earth = all sorts of ores and crystals and Stone - Pohatu’s metal arm. pH fits in best with Water, as in real life pH scales are mostly used to measure the acidity of a pool, aquarium, etc. It also works for Jungle (y’know, monitoring the best pH levels for an ecosystem to thrive). Well, guess what? Stone is directly opposite Water on the Okoto map. Same for Earth and Jungle. In the middle of it all is the great volcano - the heart of Okoto. Does anyone remember the heart of the Matoran Universe? Yep, Karda Nui.

 

What does all this mean? It means that when G2 finally makes an open connection with G1, it’ll be set in the G2 version of Karda Nui. The way the protagonists get there will be the only so-far obvious connection between the two universes - the Vahi.

 

Time travel in G2 confirmed.

 

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If there is any connection between the two Gens, I think that all it will amount to is that some writer or story team member saying that Olmak travel between the two storyline is technically possible after being bugged about it one too many times. :P

 

Though I do think that we will see more characters that have the same names as Gen 1 characters as this theme goes on.

 

I don't personally believe many theories on this forum, even counting the ones I find interesting or I come up with myself, but I might invest a little bit of faith in this one.

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