Bionifight Infinite Discussion

[Khromatose]

 

OOC: Kuro has gained the Gem of Grounding. This gem can weaken electrical attacks against the bearer, and makes them immune to shock when touching the ground.

 

All Electric/Lightning users beware.

Weaken electrical attacks.... so it'll do nothing agaisnt the physical impact and burns caused by a lightning bolt? 

 

...Thanks for putting a damper on my fun. But yes. It does nothing against physical impact and burns.

[Voltex]

 

So, I'm going to a Scout camp this weekend, and when I'm gone, knowing my luck, the 3rd round will be well underway. But as I depart BZP (Temporarily), I'd like to submit a post for a New character.

 

(Hoo boy, this one's gonna be a doozy...)

 

Name: Lord Severain the God-Slayer

Species: Makuta

Power/Weapon 1: Blade of Oblivion (A gigantic black blade, almost as tall as he is, imbued with the power of the void. If it is removed from his hand, He can recall it by teleporting it back into his hand)

Power/Weapon 2: Chain Lightning: Can launch extensive arcs of red-tinted Lightning that can hit multiple targets.

Power/Weapon 3: Two large wings primarily used for flight, but can also be used as shields to protect against attacks.

Appearance: Tall and Physically Imposing, Severain’s ferocious armour is Jet black, with many blood-red spikes and highlights dotted around. His mask looks like a fearsome dragon’s skull, and his vicious eyes are a cold blood red. It was said that when he appeared on battle, his frightening appearance made anyone who laid eyes upon him run away in terror.

Bio: Hailing from the Universe of the Old BZPRPG, Severain was one of the highest ranking Makuta, and was best known for leading an army to Ta-Koro and razing it to the ground. However, so great were his powers and feats, that during his last battle near the end of the world, he was imprisoned and fitted with Shackles that restricted most of his powers, save for his Chain Lightning.

Personality/Other: Severain is malicious, wicked, villainous, diabolical, ruthless, and just about any other word that means evil. He shows No mercy to any of his opponents, and will gladly kill them without a second thought. However, he seems to relate to the other Makuta in the Tournament, due to his long-standing coalition with the rest of the Brotherhood on his homeworld.

 

...Yeah. I was reading posts that were about the Old BZPRPG, and I was looking at just how,,, Over the top it was, and thought; "Hey, Bionifight is pretty over the top, too. How about I make a character from the Old BZPRPG Universe to participate in it?" And thus, Severain was born!

 

If I added any Inaccuracies or Overpowered powers, please let me know. And as always, I await his approval and round 3!

(Any resemblance between Severain and an existing old BZPRPG character is entirely coincidental)

 

Fixed for (Hopefully) The last time. Better?

 

 

Yes. Approved.

[Chro]

 

 

 

OOC: Kuro has gained the Gem of Grounding. This gem can weaken electrical attacks against the bearer, and makes them immune to shock when touching the ground.

 

All Electric/Lightning users beware.

 

 

Weaken electrical attacks.... so it'll do nothing against the physical impact and burns caused by a lightning bolt? 

 

Well, if he's grounded (and has the gem), it'll reduce how much he's harmed by that... but obviously he isn't going to be immune to it.

[Xaeraz]

More importantly, when Kuro has kids, the gem will enable him to punish them much better than a normal parent.

[Nato G]

Well, if he's grounded (and has the gem), it'll reduce how much he's harmed by that... but obviously he isn't going to be immune to it.

 

Electricity and Lightning are not the same thing. If the Gem only offers limited protection against electric attacks, then he's still going to take a lot of physical damage from a lightning bolt, he just won't suffer as severe an electric shock from it. 

Edited March 30, 2015 by Roman Torchwick

[Silvan Haven]

 

Well, if he's grounded (and has the gem), it'll reduce how much he's harmed by that... but obviously he isn't going to be immune to it.

 

Electricity and Lightning are not the same thing. If the Gem only offers limited protection against electric attacks, then he's still going to take a lot of physical damage from a lightning bolt, he just won't suffer as severe an electric shock from it. 

 

 

As far as Bionicle is concerned, yes they are the same thing.

[Nato G]

As far as Bionicle is concerned, yes they are the same thing.

 

If that were the case, Rahkshi wouldn't have Electricity and Chain Lightning as separate powers. 

 

Electricity is a defence-based ability that entails the creation of electrical fields to stun and disorient enemies. Chain Lightning is an offence-based ability involving the creation and control of lightning bolts.

 

And lightning is composed of more than just mere electricity. 

[25K Now!]

Chain Lightning's a great ability for Orc Shamans.

[Silvan Haven]

And then there is the strange thing where female Toa of zap are called Toa of Electricity while male Toa of zap tend to be called Toa of Lightning. Only they are both the same thing.

[otter]

Toa of Zap is best phrase

[Khromatose]

More importantly, when Kuro has kids, the gem will enable him to punish them much better than a normal parent.

 

You, sir, have made my day.

Edited March 30, 2015 by ArcticFreeze17

[Nato G]

 

And then there is the strange thing where female Toa of zap are called Toa of Electricity while male Toa of zap tend to be called Toa of Lightning. Only they are both the same thing.

 

That would seem to be a misnomer. Looking at the actual powers of a Vo-Toa, none of them make use of the word lightning. 

• Creating electricity
• Creating a defensive shield of electricity
• Shocking/paralyzing an opponent with electricity
• Electrically charging an object
• Controlling electricity
• Absorbing electricity

Whereas the Rahkshi power, at its highest level, does: 

• Controls devastating bolts of chain lightning that leap between multiple targets.

This, combined with the fact that Electricity and Chain Lightning are listed as two different Makuta powers, would indicate that they are not the same thing. 

Edited March 30, 2015 by Roman Torchwick

[Khromatose]

In the end, it all depends on the GMs and what they feel like..

[Nato G]

Well, Chain Lightning was getting treated as actual lightning in the first round, not just bolts of electricity, so I'm not sure why it should be changed now. If Chro wants to amend his description of the gem so it deflects all electric and lightning-based attacks, I'd be absolutely fine with that. 

Edited March 30, 2015 by Roman Torchwick

[Silvan Haven]

And yet a Toa of Electricity can still do everything a Rahkshi of Chain Lightning can do.

[Nato G]

And yet a Toa of Electricity can still do everything a Rahkshi of Chain Lightning can do.

 

Um... no.

 

Literally all a Chain Lightning Rahkshi can do is create and control lightning bolts (which a Vo-Toa can't do). Oh, and give electric shocks to anything in physical contact (which a Vo-Toa probably can). That's it. 

[Silvan Haven]

You mean to tell me that the Toa of Zappy is unable to make a bolt of Zap that bounces between different people and Zaps them?

[Nato G]

*sighs* I'm sure I just spent the last twenty minutes trying to point out that Electricity and Lightning aren't the same thing.

 

 

A sufficiently competent Vo-Toa probably could create an arc of electricity capable of jumping between targets and whatnot. But it would just be pure electricity, not lightning, which is composed of more than just electricity.  

Edited March 30, 2015 by Roman Torchwick

[Silvan Haven]

Lightning is electricity following an ionized path through the air. The heat from the passage causes plasma but said plasma has little to no effect on whatever the target is.

[Nato G]

Lightning is electricity following an ionized path through the air. The heat from the passage causes plasma but said plasma has little to no effect on whatever the target is.

 

While that is true, lightning, unlike normal electricity, is very high voltage and very high amperage, because nature produces way more power. Due to this, it cannot be stored like normal electricity, and the heat generated in so high that it's also way more lethal. 

 

Since Chain Lightning Rahkshi can only create lightning bolts, it would make sense that their powers be far more devastating than conventional Vo-Toa electricity, which can be applied in a far greater variety of ways. 

 

So I still stand by my point that they are separate powers. 

[Silvan Haven]

Not really. One is a power, the other is an element. Powers are either a subset of an element or a limited ability.

 

Either way they don't get power boosts to make up for it.

[Nato G]

Electricity is the element: 

 

Rahkshi Electricity is a different power that focuses solely on defence through creation of electric energy fields. Since it's sole focus is the creation of said fields, it makes sense that those would be more powerful than any such field a normal Vo-Toa tried to make. 

 

Chain Lightning is the same: an offence-based power similar to electricity that solely focuses on the creation of devastating lightning bolts. Logically, since that's all it can do, that lightning would be far more powerful than the equivalent electrical arcs made by a normal Vo-Toa. 

[Khromatose]

So can Chro please settle this argument so that I can get on with putting the effect down on my profile for the purpose of memorization?

[Silvan Haven]

That would make sense if they were not just two out of forty two Makuta powers. Makuta are OP, but not to the point where each one of their abilities are more powerful than the corresponding element.

[Nato G]

Makuta are OP, but not to the point where each one of their abilities are more powerful than the corresponding element.

 

But it's not more powerful than the corresponding element, because it's a separate power that only specialises in one thing. A Vo-Toa can do a heck of a lot more with their powers than a Rahkshi or Makuta can with either of their similar abilities. 

 

And since the ability is called Chain Lightning, and lightning is a far more powerful form of electricity than anything else, I really don't see what part of my argument isn't making sense. 

 

There are also several precedents in canon for beings who solely use sub-powers to have greater skill with said sub-powers than the Toa of the corresponding element. Look a Lehvak-Kal's vacuum powers, for example. We've never seen a Le-Toa use that subpower with the same amount of skill.

 

There's also heat, a sub-power of fire. A Tahnok can use this power to melt through solid rock and other surfaces, but when Vakama tried to create the same amount of heat without flame in one of the books, he nearly passed out. 

Edited March 30, 2015 by Roman Torchwick

[Silvan Haven]

I am going to pull back from the tangent we are starting to run off on despite my desire to not just let your most recent arguments go.

 

The original disagreement was over whether the Gem of Grounding could provide a defense against lightning. My argument was that yes, it could. Since Lightning is at best a subpower of electricity.

 

From what I can tell your argument was that it could not due to the fact that Lightning is somehow different.

[Nato G]

Yeah.... we have gone a bit off topic.... I'll take responsibility for that. 

 

 

 

 

Okay, this is basically the way I see it:

 

A Vo-Toa's element is like conventional man-made electricity: more easy to control, with a heck of a lot more applications in how it can be used, but less powerful than what occurs in nature. 

 

Chain Lightning is essentially real lightning: electricity in its raw natural state. It's wild, devastating, and far more powerful and damaging.... except it's limited solely to the creation and control of lightning bolts, and nothing else. 

 

So the Gem of Grounding would be a heck of a lot more effective agaisnt Electricity than it would be against Lightning. 

Edited March 30, 2015 by Roman Torchwick

[Timageness]

This may or may not have been inspired by Ravyn.

 

Name: Arkie

Species: Toa

Gender: Female

Power 1: Freezing iron; works the same as the normal iron element, but constructs created and metals manipulated by it give off a noticeable chill.

Weapon 2: Great Kanohi Hau

Weapon 3: A crossbow- Arkie has thirty bolts in addition to being able to create them using her element.

Appearance: Arkie is tall and slender, bearing white and silver armour. Her left arm is cybernetic due to her having been born without one, and the rest of her armour is covered in scorch-marks, scratches and dents. The cybernetic arm offers no

Bio: From the same alternate universe as Ravyn and Dayeth, Arkie is the daughter of two Outsiders members, Kouyran and Ayar. She was a teenager when Makuta’s forces conquered Obsidian Outpost, and as her mother died during the attack and her father disappeared after the battle, Arkie was raised from then on by the other Outsiders. Becoming highly skilled with a crossbow, she was able to construct herself a cybernetic arm for herself and was teleported into Bionifight shortly after meeting Kouyran for the first time after Obsidian Outpost and discovering, to her shock and disgust, that he had transformed himself into a Dark Valkyr.

Personality: Arkie is grim, reserved and militaristic, very far removed from how she used to be before she was separated from her parents. 

I hereby grant this profile the Timageness Seal of Approval.* This alternate timeline needs to be fleshed out further.

*Not to be confused with the GM approval process, for obvious reasons.

[Nato G]

This alternate timeline needs to be fleshed out further.

 

We actually had a discussion over Skype a while back trying to decide how the bad guys won and whatnot. I've got Dayeth's timeline pretty nicely outlined, if either of you guys were interested. 

[Timageness]

Definitely interested.

[Makuta Miras]

Me too.

[Nato G]

Alright, most of it's still not written down, so when I eventually finish typing it all up I'll send it to you guys. 

[Voltex]

Name: Nomec/Cyarc

Species: Toa

Power/Weapon 1: Elemental control over Gravity

Power/Weapon 2: Increased Strength via Kanohi Pakari

Power/Weapon 3: Personality Flip - Nomec and Cyarc are two different Toa of Gravity locked within the same mind and body; only one is ever active at once. The flip between personalities must be actively done by whichever one is currently in control.

Appearance: Nomec/Cyarc is a massive, hulking figure; if the average Toa were the size of a human, then Nomec/Cyarc is the size of the Hulk. When Nomec is in control, their armor is mostly gray with purple highlights, and his eyes are a bright green. When Cyarc is in control, their armor becomes mostly purple with gray highlights, and his eyes are bright red.

Bio: Their history (including how they came to share a body) is unknown. They serve an unknown entity that they call their ‘King’; Nomec loyally, Cyarc unwillingly. Their duty is to defend the maze from intruders, and protect the Infinity Gems.

Personality/Other: Both male, although Cyarc might defy being constrained to any specific gender. Nomec is calm, wise, and loyal to a fault; Cyarc is unpredictable and insane.

[Burnmad]

-IC: Hound-

 

Hound felt bad. First, he had shouted while the beings fought. That did nothing. Then, he had remained still, assessing the combat, looking for an opening. The nature of the Fa-Toa's attack made this a very long wait, only letting him get very close, circling with massive, speed-boost-enhanced strides as he waited for an opportunity to present itself. Fortunately, the chance came. With a rush of adrenaline, Hound sped from behind into the Av-Toa, a fiery rage spreading through his veins.

 

Even as Adrian took Fia's blow and prepared to respond with one of his own, he would (/ should: not autohit) find Hound non-fatally gripping his neck and pulling him back with all of his strength. This intervention would hopefully force his shot to go haywire and end the daft combat.

 

OOC: Gonna go ahead and insert Hound there, under the assumption it's okay since the only reason 2fast Hound hasn't already intervened was OOC busyness on my part. If not, I'll edit.

 

Disregarding the fact that the interference is going entirely unappreciated (and has only resulted in unnecessary injury of the combatants, so far), why, exactly, would Hound be restraining the guy who just got knocked half-unconscious, over the raving racist liable to try and finish him off before anyone can intervene?

 

*Snaps fingers*

[Silvan Haven]

Probably because said half conscious Toa was the one letting off an attack. And if Fia tried anything I think that Hound could get Adrian out of the way.

[Burnmad]

Except Ardian's attack is instant-fire, comes from his empty hands, and is difficult to discern unless you're looking for it.

 

*Snaps fingers*

[Nato G]

Here's a better question: 

 

IC: Xara - Training Sector. 

 

"Enough!" she sent twin bursts of lightning fizzling between the two combatants (Fia and Ardian), curving them around the idiot (Sudrec) who'd just jumped between the fighters. "Do you guys want that Enforcer to come in here?" 

 

 

Why was this post seemingly ignored by everyone involved in the fight? 

[Burnmad]

 

Edited by Roman Torchwick, Mar 30 2015 - 04:50 PM.

 

Probably because you edited that part in after the fact, and it went unnoticed.

 

*Snaps fingers*

[Constructelf]

I wish to modify Sudrec's power slots. Requested changes marked in bold.

 

Name: Sudrec "The Heretic"

 

Species: Great Being (technically a member of the Glatorian species)

 

Power/Weapon 1: Hardlight Armor Vest. After an incident involving Sudrec getting stuck underwater and being rendered immobile, Sudrec has decided to eschew his plate armor for a lighter alternative. He now wears a light vest with a hardlight generator within it; when activated, hardlight plates will form overtop his body, in a similar manner to steel plate armor. All of the protection, none of the weight -BUT, it has the flaw that it can only maintain the armor for five minutes, after which it needs to be reloaded with a battery pack. Sudrec carries five of these battery packs on his person, allowing for twenty-five minutes of protection total.

 

Power/Weapon 2: Particle-Beam Rifle: a gun that fires a focused, neon-green stream of hydrogen anions at near-light speed, dealing tremendous amounts of impact damage to anything it strikes. An elemental Air generator provides the necessary gas particles for the beam, which are then focused by a miniature particle accelerator. While the gun does not require ammo, it has the tendency to overheat; the gun can only maintain the beam for about half a second, after which there is a three second cooldown period.

 

Power/Weapon 3: The Seeking Blade: a Rondel Dagger with levitation and self-propelled flight abilities, controlled via a cybernetic implant. Basic movement is controlled by Sudrec's mind along, allowing him to draw, maneuver, and sheath the blade without physically touching it. A targeting system built into his implant allows the dagger to "lock on" to certain targets, then charge at them at high speed in a long ranged stabbing attack. The dagger can be controlled at any moment; however, in order to use its stabbing attack, Sudrec needs a clear view of what his target. (Think the Yaka Arrow from GotG, but without the whistling)

 

Appearance: Sudrec's overall build is similar to that of a Glatorian (justification here); however, his true appearance has to be left to the imagination, as he wears his hooded cloak whenever he can, while using a black cloth to cover the lower half of his face. Underneath the cloak, he wears his Hardlight armor vest, a long sleeve T-shirt, a pair of trousers, and leather boots.

 

Bio: while the Great Beings as a whole were known for their love of creation, there existed one individual who loved nothing more than to destroy. Sudrec was originally one of the scientists that worked on the Prototype Robot, but when the project failed and the robot blew itself up, it was not disappointment he felt but a sick love for the beauty of its final moments. Before long, he had obsessively devoted himself to perpetuating the beauty of destruction, hiding his forbidden love from the rest of the Great Beings. And so, he lived this double life for many years, working alongside the Great Beings as they created the Element Lords, the Baterra, the Matoran, and Mata Nui himself; but when his brethren were not looking, he'd conduct his own experiments with the purposes of destruction, while secretly supplying Great Being technology to all sides of the Core War and even participating in some of the fighting himself, disguised as a simple Glatorian. But the chickens would eventually come home to roost: his work was discovered and he was forced to go into hiding. He was eventually killed during the Shattering when a cave he was hiding in collapsed on him...

 

... Or he would have been, had not the Host selected him for the Bionifight tournament.

 

Personality: Sudrec is an oddity among the Great Beings; while most of the Great Beings have an obsessive love for creating, Sudrec enjoys nothing more than destruction. While he can get off from simply smashing stuff, he prefers to take a much more subtle approach and slowly facilitate much larger and "more tragic" expressions of destruction. However, he also possess the typical Great Bring drive to create, something he finds paradoxical. Aside from his "destruction-philia", he is very polite and respectful, if somewhat distant, when dealing with Agori, Glatorian, or other sapient species from his homeworld. However, he is quite dismissive of Matoran and other species from the MU due to having had a hand in creating them; as he is aware of their original purpose, he is unable to see them beyond as having any potential beyond being "nanotechnology". At worse, he refuses to even recognize that they are sapient, and when forced to admit it, he will invariably be baffled by how they developed such intelligence. He likes it a lot if somebody asks him for help or about his work, perhaps even more so than his love of destruction; he will eagerly explain what he knows to anybody who asks him of it.

 

Other: due to participating in the creation of the Matoran, Sudrec knows the ins and outs of the sixteen standard elements very well; however, if confronted with a Toa that can control a power not of the sixteen known to him, he will be at a total loss as to what to do. He has a similar knowledge of common Kanohi masks, but to a lesser degree.

Edited March 30, 2015 by One-Eyed Construct

[Nato G]

Probably because you edited that part in after the fact, and it went unnoticed.

 

*Snaps fingers*

 

I actually didn't. Your post came afterwards and didn't make any reference to my post, so I assumed you'd skimmed over it without actually reading it. The edit was me adding those names in bold so everyone would know who I was referring to.