Regitnui Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 On that note we are still perplexed on such buildings as Stonehenge. To this day we cannot reproduce such structures... Nope, it's been done. Several times. Don't assume our ancestors were massive geniuses with secret powers we cannot hope to grasp either. Back on topic:What's stopping the Protectors and villagers themselves from making/maintaining the Protector's weapons? The masks gather and control elemental forces. Making something like that could very well be a specialist skill, while anyone can make a primitive knife from a piece of rock. 2 Quote Elemental Rahi in Gen2, anyone? A write-up for an initial video for a G2 plot I really wish everyone would stop trying to play join the dots with Gen 1 and Gen 2 though,it seems there's a couple new threads everyday and often they're duplicates of already existing conversations! Or simply parallel them with a slightly new 'twist'! Gen 2 is NEW, it is NOT Gen 1 and it is NOT a continuation. Outside of the characters we already have I personally don't want to see ANY old characters return. I think it will cheapen the whole experience to those of us familiar with the original line... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hip Historian Iaredios Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 Baghdad batteries? I should probably not suggest anyone actually bother to do research, so questions instead, may as well jump for something I haven't heard before:"reconstructing the old automatons" If you don't mind emulating this is a bit unclear... If I am ever wrong on something, go right on ahead and correct me. I wrote all that down from memory; no one is perfect man. And as the person above me madeth moi realize, we're getting a tad off topic. All I was trying to say is that humanity is the same as it was back in the 'ye olde elder age' of neolithic farmers and Hussite wagoneers, we just build upon the advances of the previous generation. Biggest things to happen really were the invention of written language, the printing press and the interwebz (secular-wise) 1 Quote A RUDE AWAKENING - A Spherus Magna redo | Tzais-Kuluu | Pushing Back The Tide | Last Words | Black Coronation | Blue Man Bound | Visions of Thasos ن We are all but grey specks in a dark complex before a single white light Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prowl Nightwolf Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 Back on topic:What's stopping the Protectors and villagers themselves from making/maintaining the Protector's weapons? The masks gather and control elemental forces. Making something like that could very well be a specialist skill, while anyone can make a primitive knife from a piece of rock. "The masks gather and control elemental forces"? Who says the masks do this this gen? So far all we know is the Mask Makers made elemental masks and so far perhaps only the Protectors and Toa have any form of elemental power brought on by said masks... Now the Toa masks are said to enhance the Toa's elemental power, but not really to what extent. Also no lore on the level of power the Protector masks have if any... The only think we know is that the Protectors seem to have a different, perhaps powered perhaps not, Mask of their tribe's element. Anything more than that is hearsay and headcannon. Further more we don't have any information on what level of elemental power the tribes as a whole have if any. Do water villagers have underwater-breathing capabilities as in Gen1? What about Fire villagers? Are they so named not for their elemental affiliation but rather color or habitat? Think about real-world comparisons... Take somebody who grew up and lives near one of the poles and then an islander as well as somebody who lives in desert dry climates.... The person who lives near the poles will have adapted to that environment, possibly wearing white and being able to breath the cold thinner air of the Arctic's... Now an islander lives near a volcano, is use to a more tropical climate and has adapted accordingly... Rinse and repeat for the Desert dweller. None of these people have elemental powers only they have adapted to their people's place of habitation... The Protectors as village shaman/elder/leader could have some form of elemental magic given to them by the masks of power, however what that power is still seems to be determined. The Toa on the other hand pour elemental control being extraterrestrial and not from Okoto originally. So far we could surmise that being that the Toa came from the sky and thus stars or planets of their own they did/do not come from Okoto originally. Now this could change in that in this gen, the Protector's could become Toa under some means. As there is nothing released stating that there is a biological connection between Okoto villager and a Toa... speculation is all we have... Though this brings up an interesting question... Regardless of where the Toa do or don't originally come from, the Mask makers if not Ekimu specifically knew about them in advanced as he would have needed to create their golden masks of power and hide them prior to the falling out with Makuta. Also I think I remember seeing somewhere that the temple of Time ritual was told to the Protectors at the time after finding Ekimu's body. Being revealed to them in much the same way the Toa learn of his burial location after beating the LoSS. So the protectors for what they were may not have known about the Toa prior to this time... Generations had past between the time of the mask makers and when the Toa were summoned to Okoto. By this time the Skull spider menace had escalated and maybe the LoSS evolved or was created from or by Makuta... Quote "A stranger will always be a stranger unless you give them a chance." || <- My Pokémon | BZPRPG Characters: Po-Matoran Doseki & Nui-Jaga Scorpio; Ga-Matoran Orca Matoran und Panzer: Doseki & Glitch | Marvel RP PC | Mata Nui Monopoly: Come... Own a piece of the legend! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regitnui Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Back on topic:What's stopping the Protectors and villagers themselves from making/maintaining the Protector's weapons? The masks gather and control elemental forces. Making something like that could very well be a specialist skill, while anyone can make a primitive knife from a piece of rock."The masks gather and control elemental forces"? Who says the masks do this this gen? So far all we know is the Mask Makers made elemental masks and so far perhaps only the Protectors and Toa have any form of elemental power brought on by said masks... Now the Toa masks are said to enhance the Toa's elemental power, but not really to what extent. Also no lore on the level of power the Protector masks have if any... The only think we know is that the Protectors seem to have a different, perhaps powered perhaps not, Mask of their tribe's element. Anything more than that is hearsay and headcannon. Further more we don't have any information on what level of elemental power the tribes as a whole have if any. Do water villagers have underwater-breathing capabilities as in Gen1? What about Fire villagers? Are they so named not for their elemental affiliation but rather color or habitat? Think about real-world comparisons... Take somebody who grew up and lives near one of the poles and then an islander as well as somebody who lives in desert dry climates.... The person who lives near the poles will have adapted to that environment, possibly wearing white and being able to breath the cold thinner air of the Arctic's... Now an islander lives near a volcano, is use to a more tropical climate and has adapted accordingly... Rinse and repeat for the Desert dweller. None of these people have elemental powers only they have adapted to their people's place of habitation... The Protectors as village shaman/elder/leader could have some form of elemental magic given to them by the masks of power, however what that power is still seems to be determined. The Toa on the other hand pour elemental control being extraterrestrial and not from Okoto originally. So far we could surmise that being that the Toa came from the sky and thus stars or planets of their own they did/do not come from Okoto originally. Now this could change in that in this gen, the Protector's could become Toa under some means. As there is nothing released stating that there is a biological connection between Okoto villager and a Toa... speculation is all we have... Though this brings up an interesting question... Regardless of where the Toa do or don't originally come from, the Mask makers if not Ekimu specifically knew about them in advanced as he would have needed to create their golden masks of power and hide them prior to the falling out with Makuta. Also I think I remember seeing somewhere that the temple of Time ritual was told to the Protectors at the time after finding Ekimu's body. Being revealed to them in much the same way the Toa learn of his burial location after beating the LoSS. So the protectors for what they were may not have known about the Toa prior to this time... Generations had past between the time of the mask makers and when the Toa were summoned to Okoto. By this time the Skull spider menace had escalated and maybe the LoSS evolved or was created from or by Makuta...You really do enjoy ripping into my statements, don't you? The Mask Makers made masks using the elemental forces of the island. It said so in the first video we got. All I did was change the focus of that statement to "the masks contain elemental forces". It is true with a minor effort of deduction. By Mask Makers being an important enough job to have its own title and armour colour (which other tribe wears gold?), I dare say that Mask Making is a specialist skill. Villagers could make a knife or bow, but not a Mask. I won't bother with the rest of your post, though it raises good points. I just wanted to clarify how you think what I said about masks is incorrect. Quote Elemental Rahi in Gen2, anyone? A write-up for an initial video for a G2 plot I really wish everyone would stop trying to play join the dots with Gen 1 and Gen 2 though,it seems there's a couple new threads everyday and often they're duplicates of already existing conversations! Or simply parallel them with a slightly new 'twist'! Gen 2 is NEW, it is NOT Gen 1 and it is NOT a continuation. Outside of the characters we already have I personally don't want to see ANY old characters return. I think it will cheapen the whole experience to those of us familiar with the original line... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ford Posted February 11, 2015 Author Share Posted February 11, 2015 Back on topic:What's stopping the Protectors and villagers themselves from making/maintaining the Protector's weapons? The masks gather and control elemental forces. Making something like that could very well be a specialist skill, while anyone can make a primitive knife from a piece of rock."The masks gather and control elemental forces"? Who says the masks do this this gen? So far all we know is the Mask Makers made elemental masks and so far perhaps only the Protectors and Toa have any form of elemental power brought on by said masks... Now the Toa masks are said to enhance the Toa's elemental power, but not really to what extent. Also no lore on the level of power the Protector masks have if any... The only think we know is that the Protectors seem to have a different, perhaps powered perhaps not, Mask of their tribe's element. Anything more than that is hearsay and headcannon. Further more we don't have any information on what level of elemental power the tribes as a whole have if any. Do water villagers have underwater-breathing capabilities as in Gen1? What about Fire villagers? Are they so named not for their elemental affiliation but rather color or habitat? Think about real-world comparisons... Take somebody who grew up and lives near one of the poles and then an islander as well as somebody who lives in desert dry climates.... The person who lives near the poles will have adapted to that environment, possibly wearing white and being able to breath the cold thinner air of the Arctic's... Now an islander lives near a volcano, is use to a more tropical climate and has adapted accordingly... Rinse and repeat for the Desert dweller. None of these people have elemental powers only they have adapted to their people's place of habitation... The Protectors as village shaman/elder/leader could have some form of elemental magic given to them by the masks of power, however what that power is still seems to be determined. The Toa on the other hand pour elemental control being extraterrestrial and not from Okoto originally. So far we could surmise that being that the Toa came from the sky and thus stars or planets of their own they did/do not come from Okoto originally. Now this could change in that in this gen, the Protector's could become Toa under some means. As there is nothing released stating that there is a biological connection between Okoto villager and a Toa... speculation is all we have... Though this brings up an interesting question... Regardless of where the Toa do or don't originally come from, the Mask makers if not Ekimu specifically knew about them in advanced as he would have needed to create their golden masks of power and hide them prior to the falling out with Makuta. Also I think I remember seeing somewhere that the temple of Time ritual was told to the Protectors at the time after finding Ekimu's body. Being revealed to them in much the same way the Toa learn of his burial location after beating the LoSS. So the protectors for what they were may not have known about the Toa prior to this time... Generations had past between the time of the mask makers and when the Toa were summoned to Okoto. By this time the Skull spider menace had escalated and maybe the LoSS evolved or was created from or by Makuta...You really do enjoy ripping into my statements, don't you? The Mask Makers made masks using the elemental forces of the island. It said so in the first video we got. All I did was change the focus of that statement to "the masks contain elemental forces". It is true with a minor effort of deduction. By Mask Makers being an important enough job to have its own title and armour colour (which other tribe wears gold?), I dare say that Mask Making is a specialist skill. Villagers could make a knife or bow, but not a Mask. I won't bother with the rest of your post, though it raises good points. I just wanted to clarify how you think what I said about masks is incorrect. I didn't think this would controversial. Please stop. Quote http://i.imgur.com/kbP5Svg.gifhttp://i.imgur.com/O8CcqC5.pnghttp://i.imgur.com/kbP5Svg.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishers64 Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 How does "from the island's elemental forces, masks were made" translate to "the masks contain elemental forces"? I'm pretty sure that's some sort of logical fallacy. For one thing, the elemental forces of the island still exist independent of the masks that were made, so a single mask could not contain an entire elemental force. 1 Quote Hero Factory RPG | Bionicle Mafia XXIX: Storyline & Theories Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zidonaro Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Yeah, the city in the center of Okoto is called "City of the mask makers" so probably everyone there make masks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The 1st Shadow Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 Yeah, the city in the center of Okoto is called "City of the mask makers" so probably everyone there make masks.Um... How does that make sense? In my area, there's this thing called the Furstenburg Community Center (gym, library, pool, etc), but does that mean everyone who works there or uses the facilities bear the surname "Furstenburg?" An establishment can be named after its founders or a prominent, long-standing figure in said establishment's history. 3 Quote ~Your friendly, neighborhood Shadow ~Credit for Avatar and Banner goes to NickonAquaMagna~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regitnui Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 How does "from the island's elemental forces, masks were made" translate to "the masks contain elemental forces"? I'm pretty sure that's some sort of logical fallacy. For one thing, the elemental forces of the island still exist independent of the masks that were made, so a single mask could not contain an entire elemental force. Well, they were made from the elemental forces, and control elements. Therefore there must be some elemental force in the masks, though not the entirety of the island's elemental froces, or no more masks could be made. Admittedly, I am drawing a bit of Gen1 here, where the Powers the Kanohi granted were inherent to the Kanohi, like the Vahi leaking time when cracked, or masks having to be made a certain shape to function properly. So it doesn't seem that far-fetched to me. Say to make the Golden Mask of Fire, Ekimu took gold, 'fire element' and forged it into a mask, there must be some 'fire element' in the mask, so the mask must contain 'fire element'. By containing a greater amount of 'fire element' than Tahu2's original mask, it allows Tahu2 greater control over the 'fire element' out side the mask, in the world. Does that make a little more sense? 2 Quote Elemental Rahi in Gen2, anyone? A write-up for an initial video for a G2 plot I really wish everyone would stop trying to play join the dots with Gen 1 and Gen 2 though,it seems there's a couple new threads everyday and often they're duplicates of already existing conversations! Or simply parallel them with a slightly new 'twist'! Gen 2 is NEW, it is NOT Gen 1 and it is NOT a continuation. Outside of the characters we already have I personally don't want to see ANY old characters return. I think it will cheapen the whole experience to those of us familiar with the original line... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prowl Nightwolf Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 It makes sense to me. I mean I think I even stated as such in one of my posts above regarding the Toa possibly being the only group with actual elemental power. Kind of like how the Konohi of Gen1 had different levels of power (4 to be exact) and are created with Disks of certain types to create maybe both the look and level of power. So you'd need a combination of very high powered disks to make a legendary mask, less powerful makes Great Konohi, even more so for the Noble variants, and finally the powerless versions. A similar aspect could be seen here. Ekimu and Makuta both have Legendary Masks, followed by the Toa's Great Masks(Not sure if you want to call their original versions and/or golden versions great) Followed by the village leaders two-tone masks being perhaps similar to Noble Konohi in that they have very limited elemental powers as seen by the PoF conjuring the fireball. Though this could be just a trick of the hand... I mean Magic is an element in Gen2, Ekimu's Mask is specifically stated to be made of it. Being the elder shamanistic members of the village, a certain level of magic is afforded to them. Now if you subscribe to the idea that the difference of mask colors is not just artistic license to single out the main Protector and in fact the villager's masks at large are solid in color then these would be the Matoran or Powerless versions. Having microscopic to null elemental power afforded to them. Quote "A stranger will always be a stranger unless you give them a chance." || <- My Pokémon | BZPRPG Characters: Po-Matoran Doseki & Nui-Jaga Scorpio; Ga-Matoran Orca Matoran und Panzer: Doseki & Glitch | Marvel RP PC | Mata Nui Monopoly: Come... Own a piece of the legend! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishers64 Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 or masks having to be made a certain shape to function properly. So it doesn't seem that far-fetched to me.I nitpick, but the shape wasn't required for a mask to function properly - I could have a Hau shaped like a Kakama. Although you might have meant that masks had to be a certain shape to fit on the wearer's face, in which case, ignore me. Say to make the Golden Mask of Fire, Ekimu took gold, 'fire element' and forged it into a mask, there must be some 'fire element' in the mask, so the mask must contain 'fire element'. By containing a greater amount of 'fire element' than Tahu2's original mask, it allows Tahu2 greater control over the 'fire element' out side the mask, in the world. Does that make a little more sense?Yes. Quote Hero Factory RPG | Bionicle Mafia XXIX: Storyline & Theories Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regitnui Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 or masks having to be made a certain shape to function properly. So it doesn't seem that far-fetched to me.I nitpick, but the shape wasn't required for a mask to function properly - I could have a Hau shaped like a Kakama. Although you might have meant that masks had to be a certain shape to fit on the wearer's face, in which case, ignore me. Say to make the Golden Mask of Fire, Ekimu took gold, 'fire element' and forged it into a mask, there must be some 'fire element' in the mask, so the mask must contain 'fire element'. By containing a greater amount of 'fire element' than Tahu2's original mask, it allows Tahu2 greater control over the 'fire element' out side the mask, in the world. Does that make a little more sense?Yes. I thought the shapes were critical. Oh well... Good. I don't always explain myself as clearly as I could. Quote Elemental Rahi in Gen2, anyone? A write-up for an initial video for a G2 plot I really wish everyone would stop trying to play join the dots with Gen 1 and Gen 2 though,it seems there's a couple new threads everyday and often they're duplicates of already existing conversations! Or simply parallel them with a slightly new 'twist'! Gen 2 is NEW, it is NOT Gen 1 and it is NOT a continuation. Outside of the characters we already have I personally don't want to see ANY old characters return. I think it will cheapen the whole experience to those of us familiar with the original line... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prowl Nightwolf Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 I don't know if they are a requirement or not myself. It would be interesting to know if Mask shape has anything to do with powers. I mean there are only so many of them Disks and in turn only so many combinations. Maybe the chosen disks plus mask shape defines its powers and abilities? If we could find two masks that say they are made up of the same Konohi disk powers this could lead credit to this idea... Also if this concept carries over to Gen 1 it could lead to the idea that the Protector masks all have the same generic power in relation to their element due to looking the same... Over say the Golden Toa Masks that look different both to each other and the Protector masks as a whole... Quote "A stranger will always be a stranger unless you give them a chance." || <- My Pokémon | BZPRPG Characters: Po-Matoran Doseki & Nui-Jaga Scorpio; Ga-Matoran Orca Matoran und Panzer: Doseki & Glitch | Marvel RP PC | Mata Nui Monopoly: Come... Own a piece of the legend! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petewa Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 Of course there are other mask makers, why else would there be rules and rites on mask making if it hadn't been around for a while? Quote Mataru Nui, an Interactive Adventure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The 1st Shadow Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 I don't know if they are a requirement or not myself. It would be interesting to know if Mask shape has anything to do with powers. I mean there are only so many of them Disks and in turn only so many combinations. Maybe the chosen disks plus mask shape defines its powers and abilities? If we could find two masks that say they are made up of the same Konohi disk powers this could lead credit to this idea... Also if this concept carries over to Gen 1 it could lead to the idea that the Protector masks all have the same generic power in relation to their element due to looking the same... Over say the Golden Toa Masks that look different both to each other and the Protector masks as a whole...Mask shape has nothing to do with power. Norik's Pehkui is forged in the shape of a Noble Kiril, and Krakua's Suletu is forged in the shape of a Hau. The shape is a general indication of power, though. If a Toa is in a situation where they need a Pakari, it would really suck if they grabbed a Mask of Water-Breathing that was shaped like a Mask of Strength. Occasionally, Kanohi are forged in other shaped for use by a specific individual, the way Norik's mask is shaped to honor a past hero that he knew well. 3 Quote ~Your friendly, neighborhood Shadow ~Credit for Avatar and Banner goes to NickonAquaMagna~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prowl Nightwolf Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 That is very cool to know and thank you for that info... 1 Quote "A stranger will always be a stranger unless you give them a chance." || <- My Pokémon | BZPRPG Characters: Po-Matoran Doseki & Nui-Jaga Scorpio; Ga-Matoran Orca Matoran und Panzer: Doseki & Glitch | Marvel RP PC | Mata Nui Monopoly: Come... Own a piece of the legend! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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