Quick Q about the Red Star

[Makuta_of_Oz]

How big is the Red Star?

[Toa Komali]

How big is the Red Star?

Just gonna point out that there is a topic for discussing the Red Star. http://www.bzpower.com/board/topic/11421-official-red-star-guide/ just a heads up is all. Don't want you to get in trouble you know.

[fishers64]

We're allowed to have topics on the RS. The RS guide is just a factlist. 

 

As for the question, much smaller than Mata Nui the Robot. Maybe Metru Nui size, or a little bit larger. It had to hold all those dead beings without falling out of the sky, so yeah. 

[The 1st Shadow]

We're allowed to have topics on the RS. The RS guide is just a factlist. 

 

As for the question, much smaller than Mata Nui the Robot. Maybe Metru Nui size, or a little bit larger. It had to hold all those dead beings without falling out of the sky, so yeah. 

Seriously? 

 

Remember that it's also a jetpack for the robot. In order to provide the propulsion required to get that thing out of a planet's orbit, it would have to be FAR larger than the robot's brain. Metru Nui fits inside a dome with tons of ocean space to spare, and then there's miles of rock and metal between that and the outside of the head. Realistically, it's probably somewhere between the size of Austraillia and Europe (considering that the GSR is about as tall as Earth's diameter). The "Resurrection Center" probably only takes up a small portion of the RS, while the rest of it is booster engines.

Edited February 15, 2015 by The~1st~Shadow

[JAG18]

I managed to hunt down this quote from Greg:

 

3) Fairly big, though  obviously not as big as Mata Nui. If you picture yourself as Mata Nui, the red star is big enough to cover your back

 

The MU robot is 7,575 miles (12,192 km) tall so that should give you a good idea as to the Red Star's size.  

[fishers64]

Hey, if I'm wrong, might as well be comically, hilariously wrong. 

 

It makes correction that much easier to take.

[Toa Komali]

We're allowed to have topics on the RS. The RS guide is just a factlist. 

 

As for the question, much smaller than Mata Nui the Robot. Maybe Metru Nui size, or a little bit larger. It had to hold all those dead beings without falling out of the sky, so yeah. 

Understood just trying to help. 

 

As for the size hmm is the Red Star a sphere? If we need to factor in a circumference of a Mata Nui sized back pack then it could be about the size of the southern continent.

[Archon~]

I wanna say Mata Nui island sized.

[The 1st Shadow]

 

We're allowed to have topics on the RS. The RS guide is just a factlist. 

 

As for the question, much smaller than Mata Nui the Robot. Maybe Metru Nui size, or a little bit larger. It had to hold all those dead beings without falling out of the sky, so yeah. 

Understood just trying to help. 

 

As for the size hmm is the Red Star a sphere? If we need to factor in a circumference of a Mata Nui sized back pack then it could be about the size of the southern continent.

 

It's not a sphere, from what's been suggested. It probably looks like a cross between a school backpack, and the HF carrier craft seen in the episodes. Southern continent might be a bit small, but that's probably pretty close.

 

I wanna say Mata Nui island sized.

Yeah, that island only covered the robot's face. Something that small probably wouldn't do much during takeoff.

[Voltex]

We're allowed to have topics on the RS. The RS guide is just a factlist. 

 

As for the question, much smaller than Mata Nui the Robot. Maybe Metru Nui size, or a little bit larger. It had to hold all those dead beings without falling out of the sky, so yeah. 

 

This makes the latest chapter of Extermination so unrealistic it's not even funny

 

The events of that chapter should have been far more devastating

 

Oh well

[Nidhiki of the Shadows]

Wow... that's a lot bigger than I imagined. I thought it was just a small space station, but I guess that makes sense, since it would have to help the robot lift off.

 

-NotS

[Archon~]

 

 

 

 

We're allowed to have topics on the RS. The RS guide is just a factlist.

 

As for the question, much smaller than Mata Nui the Robot. Maybe Metru Nui size, or a little bit larger. It had to hold all those dead beings without falling out of the sky, so yeah.

Understood just trying to help.

 

As for the size hmm is the Red Star a sphere? If we need to factor in a circumference of a Mata Nui sized back pack then it could be about the size of the southern continent.

It's not a sphere, from what's been suggested. It probably looks like a cross between a school backpack, and the HF carrier craft seen in the episodes. Southern continent might be a bit small, but that's probably pretty close.

I wanna say Mata Nui island sized.

Yeah, that island only covered the robot's face. Something that small probably wouldn't do much during takeoff.

I don't think it necessarily needs to be big to have enough energy to give MN an extra boost. Bigger size doesnt not necessarily equal bigger power in Bionicle...

[The 1st Shadow]

Yeah, that island only covered the robot's face. Something that small probably wouldn't do much during takeoff.

I don't think it necessarily needs to be big to have enough energy to give MN an extra boost. Bigger size doesnt not necessarily equal bigger power in Bionicle...

 

Well, in the Greg quote supplied by fishers, the RS covers most of the robot's back. In comparison to the torso, the face is a bit small, probably no more than 1/4 or 1/5 the area of the shoulders/back. If Greg's info is correct, then the island is way too small.

[fishers64]

 

Yeah, that island only covered the robot's face. Something that small probably wouldn't do much during takeoff.

I don't think it necessarily needs to be big to have enough energy to give MN an extra boost. Bigger size doesnt not necessarily equal bigger power in Bionicle...

 

Well, in the Greg quote supplied by fishers, the RS covers most of the robot's back. In comparison to the torso, the face is a bit small, probably no more than 1/4 or 1/5 the area of the shoulders/back. If Greg's info is correct, then the island is way too small.

 

XD I didn't supply that Greg quote. JAG18 did. 

 

This makes the latest chapter of Extermination so unrealistic it's not even funny

 

The events of that chapter should have been far more devastating

 

Oh well

Things are different in the Bionicle Mafia universe. Artistic license is permitted.

[The 1st Shadow]

 

 

Yeah, that island only covered the robot's face. Something that small probably wouldn't do much during takeoff.

I don't think it necessarily needs to be big to have enough energy to give MN an extra boost. Bigger size doesnt not necessarily equal bigger power in Bionicle...

 

Well, in the Greg quote supplied by fishers, the RS covers most of the robot's back. In comparison to the torso, the face is a bit small, probably no more than 1/4 or 1/5 the area of the shoulders/back. If Greg's info is correct, then the island is way too small.

 

XD I didn't supply that Greg quote. JAG18 did. 

 

Eh, his post was directly above one of yours, so it just kinda blended together in my head. Seems we've both flubbed here. Call it even?

[fishers64]

If you prefer to think of it that way, I'll go with it. Sure.

 

Although, despite popular belief, S&T forum =/= Mortal Kombat.

[Tuuli]

It could be another giant Robot, helping Mata-Nui achieve his goal in the universe as the second robot helper that lifts Mata-nui from planets and does other things like have it's own interior shell where all the revived beings live and work.

[Xabla]

It could be another giant Robot, helping Mata-Nui achieve his goal in the universe as the second robot helper that lifts Mata-nui from planets and does other things like have it's own interior shell where all the revived beings live and work.

Isn't that what Mata-Nui said to Makuta in the Battle for Bara Magna?

[Nidhiki of the Shadows]

The Red Star is esentially an emergency system to repair damaged "nano-tech" (Matoran Universe inhabitants), create Toa as a contingency plan, and aid the Mata Nui Robot in lifting off. It was never meant to be a second robot - that was Makuta's intended role.

 

-NotS

[Xabla]

I think it might be big enough, to , maybe vaporize an intruder from another planet somewhere else in the universe. We know Mata Nui studied creatures on the edge of the galaxy. 

[CaT in Rogue]

I managed to hunt down this quote from Greg:

 

3) Fairly big, though  obviously not as big as Mata Nui. If you picture yourself as Mata Nui, the red star is big enough to cover your back

 

The MU robot is 7,575 miles (12,192 km) tall so that should give you a good idea as to the Red Star's size.  

After doing some research and visual comparisons, I've found that Mata Nui's back is about a 1/3 of his total height. Assuming the above information is correct, that would place the Red Star at around 2,525 miles or 4,064 kilometers in diameter, just under 2.5 times larger than the moon.

[The Hip Historian Iaredios]

I always forget just how large the Great Spirit is! Tarnation to Karzh-Nation!, now I have to edit my mod's map again (link is in signature). Is the length of the G.S.R comparative to, say, North America from north to south, or Asia from Smyrna to Kamchatka?

Edited February 23, 2015 by Iaredios

[The 1st Shadow]

I always forget just how large the Great Spirit is! ######## to Karzh-Nation!, now I have to edit my mod's map again (link is in signature). Is the length of the G.S.R comparative to, say, North America from north to south, or Asia from Smyrna to Kamchatka?

Two things. One, word filter--do not bypass it. Two, the GSR is about as tall as the Earth is wide--far larger than any continent from point A to point B.

[The Hip Historian Iaredios]

 

I always forget just how large the Great Spirit is! ######## to Karzh-Nation!, now I have to edit my mod's map again (link is in signature). Is the length of the G.S.R comparative to, say, North America from north to south, or Asia from Smyrna to Kamchatka?

Two things. One, word filter--do not bypass it. Two, the GSR is about as tall as the Earth is wide--far larger than any continent from point A to point B.

 

Sorry, I have since edited it.

 

Okay, thank you for the information. Now, how large is Spherus Magna in comparison to Earth (I cannot comprehend complete estimates of miles as it is too large of a distance, so please do just use comparisons to other celestial objects)?

 

 

_{I want to apologize for going off-topic, but I just wanted to clear some stuff up.}

[The 1st Shadow]

 

 

I always forget just how large the Great Spirit is! ######## to Karzh-Nation!, now I have to edit my mod's map again (link is in signature). Is the length of the G.S.R comparative to, say, North America from north to south, or Asia from Smyrna to Kamchatka?

Two things. One, word filter--do not bypass it. Two, the GSR is about as tall as the Earth is wide--far larger than any continent from point A to point B.

 

Sorry, I have since edited it.

 

Okay, thank you for the information. Now, how large is Spherus Magna in comparison to Earth (I cannot comprehend complete estimates of miles as it is too large of a distance, so please do just use comparisons to other celestial objects)?

 

 

_{I want to apologize for going off-topic, but I just wanted to clear some stuff up.}

 

We don't have specific measurements, but someone had an excellent theory a while back, the implication being that Spherus Magna was a bit larger than Jupiter, but somehow, the effects of the Energized Protodermis in the core of the planet caused its density and gravitational pull to lessen, making it more comparable to Earth (i.e. a Glatorian would weigh just a bit more than many humans).

Edited February 23, 2015 by The~1st~Shadow

[The Hip Historian Iaredios]

 

 

 

I always forget just how large the Great Spirit is! ######## to Karzh-Nation!, now I have to edit my mod's map again (link is in signature). Is the length of the G.S.R comparative to, say, North America from north to south, or Asia from Smyrna to Kamchatka?

Two things. One, word filter--do not bypass it. Two, the GSR is about as tall as the Earth is wide--far larger than any continent from point A to point B.

 

Sorry, I have since edited it.

 

Okay, thank you for the information. Now, how large is Spherus Magna in comparison to Earth (I cannot comprehend complete estimates of miles as it is too large of a distance, so please do just use comparisons to other celestial objects)?

 

 

_{I want to apologize for going off-topic, but I just wanted to clear some stuff up.}

 

We don't have specific measurements, but someone had an excellent theory a while back, the implication being that Spherus Magna was a bit larger than Jupiter, but somehow, the effects of the Energized Protodermis in the core of the planet caused its density and gravitational pull to lessen, making it more comparable to Earth (i.e. a Glatorian would weigh just a bit more than many humans).

 

That is an awesome theory! With a planet that big the adventures would have been endless! If the purple stuff around the shattered realms was natural protodermis in vacuum, then I wonder if Mata Nui put it back in the planet before sealing the planet up again. That brings something else up, there still had to be some protodermis in the cores/core-like endings of the planet fragments to ensure a stable gravitational pull.

 

Getting back to the Red Star, has Greg F. ever revealed the reasons for why he made the Red Star restore the life of non-antidermic MU beings? Resurrecting Lhikan and Mavrah seems to underwhelm their deaths, along with every other death in the MU.

[Jacks]

Bonesiii's epic The Destiny of Bionicle offers some pretty sensible explanations of the physics of such massive planets IIRC -- it's all to do with the EP in the core, like T1S said.

 

Personally, though, I have to say I always felt the GSR's height was excessive. 10 million feet would have been perfectly sufficient -- that's still almost two thousand miles/~3218km from head to toe, only slightly shorter than the U.S. is wide -- and as such it would necessitate Spherus Magna to be only as large as, say, Neptune, rather than Jupiter. This would also make travel across the planet slightly more believable.

 

 

Getting back to the Red Star, has Greg F. ever revealed the reasons for why he made the Red Star restore the life of non-antidermic MU beings? Resurrecting Lhikan and Mavrah seems to underwhelm their deaths, along with every other death in the MU.

I believe the in-story explanation was that because the GSR and Red Star were (supposed to be) a closed system, it would require less energy to restore units that had died than it would be to create new ones. Think of it like the recycle bin on a computer -- let's say you write a story and then accidentally delete the file. A copy shows up in your recycle bin; now, which would take less effort on your part: going into the recycle bin and hitting "Restore" on the file, or rewriting the story from scratch?

 

It does cheapen some character deaths from a story perspective, but it makes sense in-universe -- remember that the Great Beings were not thinking of the MU inhabitants as people, but rather as just nanotech.

Edited February 23, 2015 by Junkbot Master of Trash

[The Hip Historian Iaredios]

I guess I am still a bit disgruntled over the Red Star restoration properties.

 

Would people who had their physical bodies absorbed by a Makuta have been restored? I wouldn't think so...

[Jacks]

No, they wouldn't. The Red Star can't revive beings whose bodies have been destroyed.